Don't use other options - like artillery and divisions - and see how easily France falls. Bill P ... From: Herbert Gratz [mailto:Herbert.Gratz@...] Sent:...
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 12:13 pm
But it always replaces a guaranteed .25 or more! If Germany is not in Russia it replaces two .25 modifiers. If Germany is IN Russia it replaces between 1 and...
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Herbert Gratz
herbertgratz
Feb 28, 2005 12:15 pm
That is true in general, I agree. But not as far as rapid GE victories in BE, NL or YUG are concerned. ... The mistake keeps being made that historical is...
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 12:16 pm
Damn! Every one of my good strategies can be countered by not using the rules for them..:-) Bill P ... From: altemeister2001...
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Herbert Gratz
herbertgratz
Feb 28, 2005 12:22 pm
But then I AM using Art. and Div.. As I said, it is no good looking at options separately an condemming them (or even praising them, I guess) you need to look...
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Herbert Gratz
herbertgratz
Feb 28, 2005 12:24 pm
Not as understand the rule: it replaces ONLY the city modifiers. ... But it always replaces a guaranteed .25 or more! If Germany is not in Russia it replaces...
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 12:26 pm
Very true. We rarely wind up with a France lasting past 40, especially if using LOC Vichy rules - which force a conclusion even without the taking of Paris, at...
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craftybstd@...
craftybstd
Feb 28, 2005 12:30 pm
... Whereas, I think any rule that discourages the "historical" play is a bad rule. I'd actually like to see the RU forward defense "toughened up" a bit. Russ...
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 12:30 pm
There is no multiplier for "units in home country" also! That is what makes it such a pro-Axis rule. Per the rule notes d and e (the city multipliers) are...
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zpmu061
Feb 28, 2005 12:31 pm
earliest fall of france i've seen was n/d 39; post 1d10 & post mp res arriving next turn - and without "no zoc" btw -. the big deal about no zoc is that you...
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Herbert Gratz
herbertgratz
Feb 28, 2005 12:43 pm
But this can only achieved by a McClellan rule or a significant weakenibg of the surprise rule. (Most likely, not even then I'd still prefer to set-up mostly...
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Herbert Gratz
herbertgratz
Feb 28, 2005 12:49 pm
I think that you are talking about Hitler's War not the house rule proposed. Hitler's war is pro-axis. Although not as much as you make out in Russia (it is...
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Kevin Bernatz
bernatzk
Feb 28, 2005 1:09 pm
Our experience supports your hypothesis. The guarenteed 0.25 over the course of '42+ (or early '41+ for a '41 Barb) far outweighs the city mod effects in the...
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Kevin Bernatz
bernatzk
Feb 28, 2005 1:10 pm
Please note that you guys are arguing apples and oranges. Bill is discussing Hitler's War and Herbert is talking about the NoVA Option 70 Russian PM rule....
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Kevin Bernatz
bernatzk
Feb 28, 2005 1:18 pm
Mainly because it is too open to abuse if you allow Russia to dictate when they get the bonus. It also "tones it down" slightly and makes it less pro-Russian....
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craftybstd@...
craftybstd
Feb 28, 2005 3:00 pm
... Disagree. A major purpose of the "garrison ratio" rule for breaking a non-aggression pact is to encourage a Soviet forward defense in an attempt to...
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Dave LeLacheur
davelelacheur
Feb 28, 2005 4:11 pm
... I only have 1 recent game's experience, but the border stuffing worked out quite well for the Allies. I don't think it's broken, and I think other Soviet...
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wargames1.geo
Feb 28, 2005 4:26 pm
I need to replace the following lost counters: Spanish Blue Div & Italian GGFF (from CS 15-1997 version) Antonescu & Mannerheim HQ (from CS 16 1994 version) ...
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Michael Burke
MichaelMVB
Feb 28, 2005 4:31 pm
Herbert, I don't think you are reading my comments carefully. My main points include that attacking in clear weather AGAINST France is important. - Germany...
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Dave LeLacheur
davelelacheur
Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm
... Just curious Michael: do your Allies ever invade Belgium first? Using no surprise zocs, surely the Allies would get the Dyle and maybe even the Meuse (is...
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Michael Burke
MichaelMVB
Feb 28, 2005 4:56 pm
Dave, I have never been in a game where the Allies have attacked Belgium first. Actually, this seems to be impossible as long as Germany is setup and willing...
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Dave LeLacheur
davelelacheur
Feb 28, 2005 5:06 pm
No opinion from me on the "no US" strategy, that wasn't what I meant. Just an early Allied invasion of Belgium, as early as feasible without pooching US...
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Michael Burke
MichaelMVB
Feb 28, 2005 5:33 pm
Dave, I have attacked Belgium as soon as possible for the Germans in every game (4) with No ZOCs. I think I played the Germans in all the games. There really...
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devinc@...
devincutler
Feb 28, 2005 7:34 pm
Not doing formal game reports....no time to do so, but updating on our Chorus of Nations Beta Test/WIFH Alpha Test Game: Turn: End of N/D 42 EUROPE: The...
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 7:37 pm
History itself is the teacher that Russia should not do what is historical. I disagree strongly that rules which "force" the "historical" are necessary - and...
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 7:38 pm
We have been talking back and forth. At times about the house rule, at times about Hitler's War. The house rule is indeed different, and IMO better. Bill P ......
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William Popovich
bill_popovich
Feb 28, 2005 7:41 pm
A good rewording is that "if either side loses the ability to ship 3 resources or Russia loses Vlad" regardless of who takes it - Russia would surrender early...
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loco_neko
Feb 28, 2005 11:37 pm
Hi to everyone on this list, I plan to play a WiF FE game but I live in an area with next to no english speaking player, so PBEM is my only option. I checked...
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Bob Andriola
realdoctormm
Mar 1, 2005 12:04 am
Seems to me that all this does is force the Germans to take down the Netherlands before the Allies can hit Belgium, and put the cav in Brussels and the two...
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Peter Kanjorski
pak19652002
Mar 1, 2005 1:07 am
Loco, this is your lucky day! A group of us is just beginning a PBEM game using Cyberboard. You can observe the game if you'd like. This will give you a good...
