Ken -- did you not try this strategy of massive CW in the USSR at the Con once?
What was the result?

Steve B.


-----Original Message-----
From: kenzclark <kenzclark@...>
To: wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 3:46 pm
Subject: Re:SV: Antw: RE: [wifdiscussion] Re: Defending USSR






I still think it's worth the US entry to prevent Italy from having
the initiative in '39 and '40 in the Med. If Italy hangs back and
takes the port strike, so much the better as this will essentially
prevent the minisub attack on Gibraltar from doing much damage and
will save you from a lost Ark Royal.

Otherwise Italy can run around in Egypt, which prevents a Big BEF
(tm), which is de riguer (imo) if you are trying to stop a Super
Balbo.

If the CW builds an ARM and a MECH as its first two builds, and
builds Alexander in J/F '40, you can have 11 units in France by
J/A '40. This should help in delaying the GE advance. They also
make for nice troops to be sent to Russia along with some AT guns to
slow down the Germans.

A thought: has your CW player ever sent in max HQs to Russia along
with a plethora of ground strikers in order to blunt the attack of
the Italian super-air force? Seems to me that you could have 11
units in Russia as well, including a couple CW AT stacks with
supporting aircraft to take over a few key hexes (Crimean peninsula
entrance hex for example).

--- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Håkon Fløys
tad
<hakon.floystad@...> wrote:
>
> > I continue to find it puzzling that CW players permit Italy
> > to be neutral for so long. It's fully worth the US entry to
> > punish Italy in '39 and early '40 until the Axis air power
> > becomes too strong.
>
> That is also what I would expect the CW to do if they were serious
about putting max pressure on Italy in 1941.
>
> Of course, the cost of this would be 1.2 1939 US entry chits + 0.7
1940 US entry chits, or roughly 1 turn delay on almost anything
related to the US, including about 50bp by mid-1942, and probably a 1
turn delay for the US to join the war. This seriously limits the
treat to Italy in 1942, of course.
>
> And if US entry is actually ahead of schedule, the effect may be as
much as 2-3 turns. (Though Super-Balbo does give very few extra entry
chits to the US in the first place.)
>
> > (or better yet tempting
> > the Italians to make an early attack to avoid a port strike)
>
> If planning for Super-Balbo, Italy will not be tempted at all.
Unless, at least, you wait until 1940, when Italy can DOW at a
smaller cost, and will have been able to withdraw all ground forces
from Africa already. Still, even with the entire CW carrier fleet
outside of la spezia, I would probably still DOW France first, and
then promptly RTB that milchcow into la spezia.
>
> > you will find that Italian
> > adventurism and economy (Sardinia) is much reduced.0A>
> Sardinia doesn't autmomatically fall all by itself, you have to
actually capture it. Italy can, if they like, send 1 inf from Africa
to Sardinia even before the UK gets the chance to DOW, which is not
unlikely if the CW is set up for invading. Or, if they start with a
white print lnd-3, they can fly in a div or the mtn.
>
> Sure, at some point Sardinia will fall in a Super-Balbo, but not
necessarily in 1939, even if you DO get to surprise the Italians.
>
> Cheers
> Hakon
>






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