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Re : Re : [wifdiscussion] Hitler attacking SPAIN (not Franco)...   Message List  
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Re: Antw: Re : Re : [wifdiscussion] Hitler attacking SPAIN (notFranco)...

What about Spain at least letting GER use its sole division that was committed
to the war. Wasn't it the "Blue " division?


-----Original Message-----
From: Wendell <wifwendell@...>
To: wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 3:41 pm
Subject: RE: Antw: Re : Re : [wifdiscussion] Hitler attacking SPAIN
(notFranco)...






"But to declare war on a formal ally would really be hard to justify."

Spain wasn't a formal ally. It was no more a formal ally than the USSR.

Hitler gave formal guarantees and in many instances treaties to practically
every single country in Europe before invading or annexing them. Your belief
that he would have honored any sort of agreement with Spain is not founded upon
reality. And as somebody else mentioned, by late 1940 nobody in Europe (Spain
included I'm sure) really believed anything in the way of assurances from
Hitler.

Cheers,

Wendell

Håkon Fløystad <hakon.floystad@...> wrote:
> But you can do Sealion just as well as close the med.

Yes, and you can try to invade the USA, too. Still, unless the CW makes a
mistake, I'm rather sure that a close the med strategy has a better probability
than sealion of winning the game.

I'm not claiming that a close the med strategy should be made TOO hard, though,
but I would prefer if it was done by algning Franco, which should either be
linked to strategic success, or have a very high cost.

For instance, instead of linking it just to Gibraltar, one could change the
alignment of
spain rule into letting Germany align Spain if the axis held 2 out of London,
Moscow, Suez and Gibraltar. (Btw, the Spanish partisan number should be red
print.)

> AH was not regarded as trustworthy by many people outside GE anyway.

That's kind of hard to say in retrospect. I have the impression he was rather
popular in the arabic world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m2OzEvyrsw

But I really don't know what people thought of him in Sweden, Finand, Hungary,
Rumania, Bulgaria or Turkey, though I do feel that there were quite a few people
that had sympathy for the German demands to regain the territories that they had
held just 20 years earlier.

But to declare war on a formal ally would really be hard to justify.

Cheers
Hakon

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Hi, About Franco, why are you sure that he will abandon neutrality under threat? Pyrenes are not easy to attack... And accepting franco's demands on french...
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Have you ever played an attack by GE against Spain in WiF? That's why Franco would've succumbed to pressure. Or if not, swiftly conquered. And you are quite...
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... I find it hard to accept an argument that is based on the assumption that something would work IRL simply because it works in WIF. Honestly, I must admit...
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Jan 13, 2009
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But you can do Sealion just as well as close the med. AH was not regarded as trustworthy by many people outside GE anyway. Attacking SP (I agree that it...
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... Yes, and you can try to invade the USA, too. Still, unless the CW makes a mistake, I'm rather sure that a close the med strategy has a better probability...
Håkon Fløystad
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Jan 13, 2009
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"But to declare war on a formal ally would really be hard to justify." Spain wasn't a formal ally. It was no more a formal ally than the USSR. Hitler gave...
Wendell
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Jan 13, 2009
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What about Spain at least letting GER use its sole division that was committed to the war. Wasn't it the "Blue " division? ... From: Wendell...
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I'd say that it's reasonable to assume that the resource Spain lends to Germany covers the Blue division. No need to add another rule (IMHINHO, and YMMV)....
Bob Andriola
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Jan 14, 2009
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Check out the most recent game report posted by Paul regarding the effectiveness of a Sealion. Also, Andrew Rader loves sealion and has conquered the CW in...
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Hubert, I am not 100% certain that Franco would have abondoned neutrality because I dont know what his psychological state was. I do know that Franco did...
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