ELDB Black Hand update with Monger links available now.

(This means you can now export HTML deck lists that will hyperlink
each cardname to the Monger Utilities that will give you up to date
errata, rulings, clarifications, and Usenet search functions.)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3

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Click on Files.

Click on the vtes.zip.

Save the file to the same location you have ELDB installed (usually
c:\program files\eldb).

Rename the vtes.mdb file to something else.

Extract the vtes.zip file to the same location.

Start using ELDB.

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If you are using the ELDB for your inventory, be sure to export your
inventory _before_ renaming the file and extracting the new one. You
will need to edit the exported file in Notepad and take out the top
two lines to be able to re-import your inventory.

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Carpe noctem.

Lasombra

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3

Can a methuselah play Wake With Evenings Freshness on a tapped minion
belonging to another methuselah?

---------
One Does Not Beg The Sun For Mercy

> Can a methuselah play Wake With Evenings Freshness on a tapped minion
> belonging to another methuselah?
>

Unfortunately, Methuselahs do not play Reaction Cards, Minions do. And
only your minions can play reaction cards from your hand.

[1.6.3]

"Minion cards are cards that your vampires and allies (collectively
referred to as "minions") play. Unless the card states otherwise, a minion
card is burned after a minion plays it...A ready untapped minion can play
a reaction card in response to an action taken by another Methuselah's
minion"

Subject: V:TES A.G.
LSJ - 12/02/2003 14:27:13 - vtesrep@...

We haven't yet decided the nature of the first expansion after Gehenna
(Gehenna is due out in May 2004).

Any suggestions (that remain in the present time)?

Some possible ideas:

An expansion centered around allies and equipment (boys and their
toys).
Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom
<City> by Night - e.g., Paris by Night or Berlin by Night.
Other

Feel free to post [in the White Wolf Forums], but for real counting,
email me directly at vtesrep@... with the subject "V:TES
A.G."

Thanks,
Scott

Has there been a release for the Anarch for ELDB?  I have the Black
Hand one

Yaknow, I've always wanted to see an equipment card... If you've seen
the Malkaivian Prince of Miami, you'll know what I mean.

Holy water squirt gun

(pic)

Deals 1R agg, only usable 3 times in one combat. Put nine counters on
this card. Each strike this weapon is used, burn one counter.

Something else I wanted to ask about, Are there going to be any
reprints of older expansions? (Anchent Hearts and Bloodlines to name
two I'd love to see around) I'd love to snag any of those, if they
came out...

> Something else I wanted to ask about, Are there going to be any
> reprints of older expansions? (Anchent Hearts and Bloodlines to name
> two I'd love to see around) I'd love to snag any of those, if they
> came out...
>

Ancient Hearts, absolutely not. That's WotC-land. What did you want
reprinted that wasn't in Final Nights or Camarilla Edition?

As for Bloodlines, are you referring to keeping it in print, or actually
updating the card layout for post-CE?

--- In vtes@yahoogroups.com, eljefeofcharlotte <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Has there been a release for the Anarch for ELDB?  I have the Black
> Hand one


The Black Hand one includes all of the Anarch cards.


Carpe noctem.

Lasombra

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3/

....
As for Bloodlines, are you referring to keeping it in print, or actually
updating the card layout for post-CE?
....

i'd like to see some new cards for the bloodlines. they were kindda forgotten in
the game.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would have thought this would have come up in my group before
now...

We had a Daughters Vote deck that used a lot of Freak Drive and had
a debate over what was a "successful action" when a political action
was involved.

A successful bleed requires at least 1 pool lost by the target
methuselah. So parallel to that, does a successful political action
require the vote to pass or simply for the vote to be called without
getting blocked? From reading some older posts, it seems that
calling a referendum is the successful action (and hence any ability
or action modifier requiring a successful action, ala basic Freak
Drive, would apply), but what about cards that effect that
referendum, e.g. Telepathic Vote Counting? Are there other non-
blocking ways to make the referendum not happen (to defend against
this deck)?

Thanks,
Chris

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Chris Robert wrote:

> I would have thought this would have come up in my group before
> now...

If you play bad rush decks all the time, then this stuff is never a
problem.  That's my solution, anyway.

> We had a Daughters Vote deck that used a lot of Freak Drive and had
> a debate over what was a "successful action" when a political action
> was involved.

A "successful action" is one that is not blocked or or otherwise
cancelled.  A bleed of 0 that is not blocked (say Night Moves followed by
a Telepathic Counter) is a successful action and an unsuccessful bleed.
You can use inferior Freak Drive afterward, but you don't gain the edge.

Likewise with politics.  Freak Drive doesn't care if the referendum passes
or not, only that the action to call it (the political action) is not
blocked or cancelled.

Telepathic Vote Counting cancels the referendum, not the action.  If you
come to the point where TVC is playable ("Only usable during a
referendum") then the action is successful and inferior Freak Drive is
usable at the end of the action.

At least that's my understanding of things.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure
someone will correct me.

Matt Morgan

You can find the ELDB 3.1 upgrade files (you need both files) at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3/

Enjoy,

David Anderson-Dávila
Creator of the Elder Library Deck Builder

David, all I see are the 'deckmaker' and Lasombra's black hand
update vtes file.  I assume something will be uploaded today or
tomorrow?

Geoff

>Message: 3
>    Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:00:39 -0000
>    From: dmd1966
>Subject: ELDB 3.1 is now available!
>
>You can find the ELDB 3.1 upgrade files (you need both files) at:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb/
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3/
>
>Enjoy,
>
>David Anderson-Dávila

Try the other link he provided.  You have to register for the group.

I must say this is a nice surprise.  The new version includes all the
features I've been wanting.  Thanks so much!

-Matt


On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, talonz51 wrote:

> David, all I see are the 'deckmaker' and Lasombra's black hand
> update vtes file.  I assume something will be uploaded today or
> tomorrow?
>
> Geoff
>
> >Message: 3
> >    Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:00:39 -0000
> >    From: dmd1966
> >Subject: ELDB 3.1 is now available!
> >
> >You can find the ELDB 3.1 upgrade files (you need both files) at:
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb/
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3/
> >
> >Enjoy,
> >
> >David Anderson-Dávila
>
>
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--

> > Something else I wanted to ask about, Are there going to be any
> > reprints of older expansions? (Anchent Hearts and Bloodlines to
name
> > two I'd love to see around) I'd love to snag any of those, if they
> > came out...
> >
>
> Ancient Hearts, absolutely not. That's WotC-land. What did you want
> reprinted that wasn't in Final Nights or Camarilla Edition?
>
> As for Bloodlines, are you referring to keeping it in print, or
actually
> updating the card layout for post-CE?


Well, now that I know Ancient Hearts won't be out, I don't feel so
bad about snagging unopen boosters. And I can spell it now!
Final nights and Camarilla did the odd clans in bloodlines? *big
attraction to BL, really* Um... Both? Keeping in print would be the
bigger deal, I suppose.

Also, please be sure that your groups remembers that any minion cannot call for
a Political Action more than once in a turn.  Not just not he same political
action, but any at all.  its one of the actions governed by the No Repeat
Actions rule (look under action types in teh instruction booklet).
Jason Weidert, Prince of Spokane (VEKN)

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--- In vtes@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew T. Morgan" <farquar@i...> wrote:
> Try the other link he provided.  You have to register for the group.
> I must say this is a nice surprise.  The new version includes all
> the features I've been wanting.  Thanks so much!

All of the links work.
You can acquire the files from either group.



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eldb3/

Perhaps the ELDB3 group can be allowed for posting, so that bug
reports, program suggestions, etc, can be entered there....

For instance, on the newsgroup, a few users appear to have been
getting errors.  I DL'd the update, and I run Win98SE, and have had
no problem.  Also a few comment on some minor inconsistancies with
the info.  If you have Access, you can edit this yourself...

Will
VEKN Prince of Reno

what do those of you with thousands of cards use to store them in?
i tried the big four-row cardboard box thing that i can find at any
card store.  that just got all messed up from use.  so i tried to
make my own and that just kinda sucks.

so, yeah.  what do you use and where can i find one?

----- Original Message -----
   From: jason erb
   To: vtes@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:22 PM
   Subject: [VTES] i need some sort of box type thing for my cards...


   what do those of you with thousands of cards use to store them in?
   i tried the big four-row cardboard box thing that i can find at any
   card store.  that just got all messed up from use.  so i tried to
   make my own and that just kinda sucks.

   so, yeah.  what do you use and where can i find one?

   well... i don't know where you live... but in Portugal i found some nice
toolboxes that are just right for ccg's

   they're made of plastic, so damage from use is not an issue. They are just
perfect to put the cards ina  landscape position and the box has some plates to
divide the spaces inside. Each box has enough space for 12 90card+crypt decks in
protectors.

   Try going to some place where toolboxes are sold. I bought mine at Carrefour,
if it helps you.

   cheers,

   Andreia

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi,

I'm a former Jyhad player.
I send some of my cards on e-bay.

If some of you are interested, check my list there :

http://www.stores.ebay.fr/legreniercollector/plist
ings/list/all/dept8/index.html?dir=1&col=4&sotimedisplay=2

Regards,

Emmanuel

--- In vtes@yahoogroups.com, emmanuelpalliet <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm a former Jyhad player.
> I send some of my cards on e-bay.
>
> If some of you are interested, check my list there :
>
> http://www.stores.ebay.fr/legreniercollector/plist
> ings/list/all/dept8/index.html?dir=1&col=4&sotimedisplay=2
>

You must be _very_ proud of those cards (an average Jyhad rare sells
for $1, or 1 Euro)...  Good luck with your auctions.

DZ

You are hereby invited to the Ron Spencer Tournament Series.

There will be a series of 5 V:TES tournaments held in Atlanta,
Georgia throughout 2004 that will provide the winners with original
artwork done by Ron Spencer. Each tournament will be held at the
WarRoom in Norcross, Georgia.

http://www.thewarroom.com/


Each event will start registration at 11:00am.
Each event will take place on a Saturday.
Each event will have an entrance fee of US$3.00.
Each event will use the Multi-Judge format if numbers allow.
The Lasombra will judge if more than 20 players show up to that day's
event.
Each event will be three rounds, followed by a final round for the
top 5 players.
Each event will use two hour time limits on each round.
Each event will be a standard constructed event.
Each event will follow the 2004 V:EKN Tournament Rules.

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/veknRules200401.html


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Blood Tears February 28, 2004
Phobia April 3, 2004
Wrath of the Inner Circle July 24, 2004
Gangrel Revel October 23rd, 2004



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Carpe Noctem.

Lasombra

http://www.TheLasombra.com/tournaments.htm

Hi,
i'm new in deck building and i try to make a deck based on tremere
with 4 deer rifles to go long and survive to the 2on round and use
blood to water/walk of flames:

Vampire (12) [Min: 11 Max: 32 Avg: 5,50]
2 Aisling Sturbridge            dom AUS THA           5 Camarilla
1 Ayelea, The Manipulator       pre AUS DOM OBT THA  10 Sabbat
cardinal
2 Blythe Candeleria             aus THA               3 Camarilla
1 Carna, The Princess Witch     AUS DOM THA           7 Camarilla
primogen
1 Heinrick Schlempt             tha                   2 Sabbat.
1 Kij Dansky                    obt AUS DOM THA       8 Sabbat
priscus.
1 Masika St. John               THA                   3 Camarilla.
2 Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg   aus dom for THA       7 Camarilla
1 Selena                        AUS DOM THA           6 Sabbat. Black
Hand

Master (13)
  1 Academic Hunting Ground            Tremere
  1 Auspex
  4 Blood Doll
  1 Chantry                            Tremere
  1 Dominate
  1 Mob Connections
  1 Protracted Investment
  1 The Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper
  1 University Hunting Ground          Tremere antitribu
  1 Wasserschloss Anif, Austria        Tremere

Action (14)
  4 Govern the Unaligned               Dominate
  2 Magic of the Smith                 Thaumaturgy
  2 Revelations                        Auspex
  2 Rutor's Hand                       Thaumaturgy
  2 Scouting Mission                   Dominate
  2 Seeds of Corruption                Thaumaturgy

Equipment (6)
  4 Deer Rifle
  2 The Ankara Citadel, Turkey         Tremere

Ally (1)
  1 Succubus                           Tremere antitribu

Action Modifier (4)
  4 Conditioning                       Dominate

Reaction (22)
  4 Deflection                         Dominate
  3 Enhanced Senses                    Auspex
  8 Forced Awakening
  3 Precognition                       Auspex
  4 Spirit's Touch                     Auspex

Combat (30)
12 Apportation                        Thaumaturgy
  2 Blood Fury                         Thaumaturgy
  3 Blood to Water                     Thaumaturgy
  6 Theft of Vitae                     Thaumaturgy
  2 Thoughts Betrayed                  Dominate
  5 Walk of Flame                      Thaumaturgy

but it doesn't go well, what do i need and what should i take away?
I cannot spent so much money on the deck so expensive cards are
useless
THX!!

Humm... I'd use one copy of each vamp, but that's me. Do you have a keystone
vamp you want to build the deck around? I see that
often, and I see it work. I'd bump out all the vamps but one + copies over a
capicty you choose. Another idea is pick as many from
one sect as you can, because of your masters requiring camirilla tremere.
Another question, Where are you running into trouble?
What can't you do in games? Live to the second round? Or just get the second
round started?

> Vampire (12) [Min: 11 Max: 32 Avg: 5,50]
> 2 Aisling Sturbridge            dom AUS THA           5 Camarilla
> 1 Ayelea, The Manipulator       pre AUS DOM OBT THA  10 Sabbat
> cardinal
> 2 Blythe Candeleria             aus THA               3 Camarilla
> 1 Carna, The Princess Witch     AUS DOM THA           7 Camarilla
> primogen
> 1 Heinrick Schlempt             tha                   2 Sabbat.
> 1 Kij Dansky                    obt AUS DOM THA       8 Sabbat
> priscus.
> 1 Masika St. John               THA                   3 Camarilla.
> 2 Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg   aus dom for THA       7 Camarilla
> 1 Selena                        AUS DOM THA           6 Sabbat. Black
> Hand
>
> Master (13)
>  1 Academic Hunting Ground            Tremere
>  1 Auspex
>  4 Blood Doll
>  1 Chantry                            Tremere
>  1 Dominate
>  1 Mob Connections
>  1 Protracted Investment
>  1 The Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper
>  1 University Hunting Ground          Tremere antitribu
>  1 Wasserschloss Anif, Austria        Tremere
>
> Action (14)
>  4 Govern the Unaligned               Dominate
>  2 Magic of the Smith                 Thaumaturgy
>  2 Revelations                        Auspex
>  2 Rutor's Hand                       Thaumaturgy
>  2 Scouting Mission                   Dominate
>  2 Seeds of Corruption                Thaumaturgy
>
> Equipment (6)
>  4 Deer Rifle
>  2 The Ankara Citadel, Turkey         Tremere
>
> Ally (1)
>  1 Succubus                           Tremere antitribu
>
> Action Modifier (4)
>  4 Conditioning                       Dominate
>
> Reaction (22)
>  4 Deflection                         Dominate
>  3 Enhanced Senses                    Auspex
>  8 Forced Awakening                   (trade some of these for 'Wakes
w/evenings freshness' to avoid your vamps spending one blood if
they don't block)
>  3 Precognition                       Auspex
>  4 Spirit's Touch                     Auspex
>
> Combat (30)
> 12 Apportation                        Thaumaturgy
>  2 Blood Fury                         Thaumaturgy
>  3 Blood to Water                     Thaumaturgy
>  6 Theft of Vitae                     Thaumaturgy
>  2 Thoughts Betrayed                  Dominate
>  5 Walk of Flame                      Thaumaturgy
>
> but it doesn't go well, what do i need and what should i take away?
> I cannot spent so much money on the deck so expensive cards are
> useless
> THX!!

A:) see comments at begining
B:) You have a goal in mind with the deck, so that's good. I... Don't know what
I'd do, in your case, because I've got a huge box of
cards, from the early editions.
C:) As of the sabbat war rules, the second round of combat begins at close
again. I didn't know that...

The troubles begin equiping the deer rifle that is only at +1 stealth
(+2 with Muaziz) or +3 with the Magic of the Smith (but i usually use
it for the ankara citadel).
Once with the rifle get the 2on round its easy if the opposing minion
does not agravated ranged strikes (apportations give me more
manouvers if i need more than 2 (from the rifle)), i press with
apportations and then the walk of flames with blood to water (if
necesari).


--- In vtes@yahoogroups.com, sailor_fluke <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Humm... I'd use one copy of each vamp, but that's me. Do you have a
keystone vamp you want to build the deck around? I see that
> often, and I see it work. I'd bump out all the vamps but one +
copies over a capicty you choose. Another idea is pick as many from
> one sect as you can, because of your masters requiring camirilla
tremere. Another question, Where are you running into trouble?
> What can't you do in games? Live to the second round? Or just get
the second round started?

Anarchs awake!!

Show your independence and celebrate the publishing of
Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" by attending the Vampire: The
Eternal Struggle Tournament January 10, 2004 at Games and
Comics...and Stuff in beautiful downtown Glen Burnie.  The
event is a sanctioned White Wolf VTES tournament.

That's right, the phamplet "Common Sense" was first
published on January 10, 1776 during the American
Revolutionary War by Thomas Paine. Its pages contained a
denouncement of British rule.

Celebrate your independence by overthrowing your prey and
depriving her of her resources. A Constructed Deck VTES
Tournament is set for The Baltimore Domain Saturday,
January 10, 2004 to commemorate the publishing of this
historic tome.

Here's the skinny:

Tournament Name: Dominion
Tournament Date: January 10, 2004
Type of Event: Constructed Tournament
City: Glen Burnie, Maryland
Start Time: noon
Number of rounds: 3+F
Time limit per round: 2 hour
Address of Event:

Games and Comics...and Stuff
7452 Baltimore and Annapolis Blvd
Glen Burnie, Maryland 21061
(410) 863-7418

Use multi-judge rules: Y
Entry fee: $3.00
Web site: http://www.gamescomicsstuff.com
Organizer Name: Dan Coleman, Prince of Baltimore
Organizer Email: do30red@...
Organizer web site:
http://www.angelfire.com/me/do30red/vtes.html

dan coleman
prince of baltimore

Arguments against British rule in "Common Sense":

It was ridiculous for an island to rule a continent.
America is not a "British nation"; it is composed of
influences from all of Europe.

Even if Britain was the "mother country" of America, that
makes her actions all the more horrendous, for no mother
would harm her children so brutally.

Being a part of Britain would drag America into unessecary
European wars, and keep it from the international commerce
at which America excelled.

==========================

The publication of this pamphlet was key in the growth of
popular support for independence from Britain. Thomas
Jefferson took ideas from both this publication and John
Locke when writing the Declaration of Independence.

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Either this hasn't been asked here, or the archive search tool is
pretty bad...

What happens if a Cammarilla Tremere Slave Gargoyle goes Anarch? Does
he become an Anarch or an Anarch Tremere Slave? Same question for
other sect-changing effects (Like Frying Pan/Fire)?

Thanks,
Chris

At 10:38 AM 12/23/2003, you wrote:
>Either this hasn't been asked here, or the archive search tool is
>pretty bad...
>
>What happens if a Cammarilla Tremere Slave Gargoyle goes Anarch? Does
>he become an Anarch or an Anarch Tremere Slave? Same question for
>other sect-changing effects (Like Frying Pan/Fire)?

The vampire's traits at first:
Camarilla
Tremere Slave
Gargoyle

When he "goes Anarch":
Independent
Tremere Slave
Gargoyle
Anarch

(That is, his sect changes to independent and he becomes anarch. No other
changes are made.)


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