floppyzedolfin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In combat at long range against a minion with an Ilomba, Carna plays
> Theft of Vitae sup', targetting Ilomba.
>
> - If the vampire with Ilomba had 0 blood , I suppose Ilomba would burn
> it immediately. Carna would gain no blood.

Correct.

> - If the minion had 1 (resp. more) blood or life, Ilomba would have
> him or her burn 1 (resp. 2) blood / life counters. In that case, would
> Carna gain any blood ? If so, that would be 1(resp. 2), I suppose.

No. The employer burns blood "instead". Carna gains nothing.

> Thanks.
>
> ~~~
>
> Ilomba
> Cardtype: Retainer
> Animal with 1 life. Requires a Laibon.
> Put Ilomba on any minion (this is a +1 stealth (D) action if that
> minion is controlled by another Methuselah). If Ilomba would burn a
> life (or would otherwise be burned), this minion burns a blood or life
> instead. If he or she cannot, he or she is burned. A minion may have
> only one Ilomba.

agzocgud wrote:
> In my untap, I move a cheap gun to Hukros. Can I use concealed weapon
> to get the gun in play during a combat? I think not...

Correct.

> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Hukros
> Clan: Gangrel antitribu (group 4)
> Capacity: 10
> Disciplines: ANI OBF PRO VIC abo cel
> Sabbat: During your untap phase, you may move a card from your hand to
> Hukros face down. You may look at the card at any time. Hukros may
> play that card as if from your hand.
>
> Concealed Weapon
> Type: Combat
> Only usable before range is determined.
> This minion equips with a non-unique weapon card from your hand
> (requirements and cost apply as normal). The weapon cannot cost 3 or
> more pool or inflict (with a regular strike) aggravated damage or 4 or
> more damage.

ira212@... wrote:
> Hello LSJ,
>
> My prey controls Arika with 1 blood, and I have a Temptation with 1
> counter on Arika.  I play Reformation at ser to put a corruption
> counter on Arika and also play Weigh the Heart at superior as the
> action is announced.  Before the action is resolved, I burn the
> counter on Temptation to take control of Arika.
>
> Several questions:
> a) Does the action change from being directed to undirected once I use
> the Temptation?  I think yes.

Yes.

> b1) If yes to (a), then does my predator have a chance to block if I
> used the Temptation while my prey was still considering blocking?  I
> think yes.

Yes.

> b2) If I use the Temptation after my predator passed on Eagle Sight
> blocks but before the action resolved, I think he wouldn't get a new
> chance to block, right?

Correct.

> c) If the action resolves unblocked, will it be considered a
> successful action (for freak drive)? I think yes.

Of course.

> d) If the action resolves unblocked, will Arika gain a corruption
> counter from Reformation? I think yes.

Of course. It doesn't say "controlled by another Methuselah".

> e) If the action resolves unblocked, will one of my prey's minions
> gain a corruption counter from Weigh the Heart? I think no, since he's
> no longer the target methuselah.

Correct.

> f)  If the action resolves unblocked, will one of *my* minions gain a
> corruption counter from Weigh the Heart? I'm really not sure, but I'll
> guess yes, since Weigh the Heart was legally played as the action was
> announced, the action was successful, and I'm now the target
> Methuselah.

Good guess.

> Thanks,
> Ira
>
> Name: Temptation
> [AH:R2, FN:PS, KMW:PB, LotN:PS3]
> Cardtype: Action
> Cost: 1 blood
> Discipline: Serpentis
> [ser] (D) Put this card on a ready vampire; you still control this
> card. During your master phase, you may put a counter on this card.
> During your minion phase, if the number of counters on this card
> equals or exceeds the amount of blood on this vampire, you may burn
> the counters to untap this vampire and take control of him or her
> until the end of the turn.
> [SER] As above, and add a counter when you play this card.
>
> Name: Reformation
> [Gehenna:C]
> Cardtype: Action
> Discipline: Chimerstry/Dominate/Serpentis
> +1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch.
> [chi] (D) Steal an equipment card from your predator or prey.
> [dom] (D) Burn 1 blood to steal a hunting ground.
> [ser] (D) Put a corruption counter on any vampire. If the number of
> your corruption counters on the vampire equals or exceeds his or her
> capacity, you may burn all of your corruption counters on that vampire
> to gain control of him or her.
>
> Name: Weigh the Heart
> [KMW:C]
> Cardtype: Action Modifier
> Discipline: Auspex & Serpentis
> [aus][ser] +1 bleed. After playing this card, you cannot play another
> action modifier to further increase the bleed for this action.
> [AUS][SER] Only usable as a (D) action is announced. If this action is
> successful, put a corruption counter on a minion controlled by the
> target Methuselah (after resolving the action).

Stone wrote:
> Vamp A bleeds. Vamp B tries to block. A plays Siren's Lure. C tries to block
> and succeeds. A plays Change of Target.
> Will the SL combat happen ?

No. Change of Target ends the action. A similar result occurs if A plays Kiss of
Ra or if C plays Obedience.

Stone wrote:
> In
>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/59f09d292cf3804\
9?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8 ,
> his ability can be ordered with the replacement of a Wake, during the untap
> phase.
> Is this still true ?

No. Once in your untap phase, Wake is no longer counting against your hand size,
so you immediately draw up to your proper hand size.

> I'm wondering because of the june 2008 reversal on Sudario?

Link?

Stone wrote:
> A vampire plays an action card. A vampire of capacity 5 tries to cancel it
> with Rewind Time or Power of All.
> Can sup. Approximation of Loyalty be used to cancel RT/PoA ? Regular action
> modifiers cannot be played in the "as played" window, but since AoL is a
> card-canceller, I guess it can be used in this case.

Correct.

> thanks
> Stone
>
> Name: Approximation of Loyalty
>
> [Gehenna:C, KMW:PAn2, LotN:PS3, KoT:C/PT4]
>
> Cardtype: Action Modifier
>
> Cost: 1 blood
>
> Discipline: Presence
>
> Requires a vampire with capacity ={7}= or more.
>
> [pre] Only usable as the action is announced. Choose a vampire with capacity
> 6 or less or an ally. That minion cannot block this action.
>
> [PRE] Cancel a reaction card played by a vampire with capacity 6 or less or
> an ally as it is played (no cost is paid). No more action modifiers can be
> played on this action.
>
> Artist: Monte Moore
>
>
>
> Name: Rewind Time
>
> [BL:R2, LoB:R]
>
> Cardtype: Reaction
>
> Cost: 2 blood
>
> Discipline: Temporis/Presence
>
> [pre] Reduce a bleed against you by 1.
>
> [tem] Cancel an action card as it is played (the acting minion is not
> tapped).
>
> [TEM] Usable by a ready, untapped vampire even though there is no action.
> Cancel a non-out-of-turn master card as it is played during any other
> Methuselah's master phase (no cost is paid). The Methuselah who played that
> card gains another master phase action.
>
> Artist: Andrew Trabbold
>
>
>
> Name: Power of All
>
> [TR:C]
>
> Cardtype: Reaction
>
> Cost: 2 blood
>
> Requires a ready anarch.
>
> Tap this anarch and one other untapped ready anarch you control to cancel a
> library card as it is played. Usable even if there is no action. Not usable
> during your own turn.
>
> Artist: Eric Deschamps
>
>
>
>

Jozxyqk wrote:
> Going back to a thread that should definitely stay closed:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/c9425a7620c1f1b\
2
>
> LSJ, you imply that this is legal:
> I have a Tupdog with a skillcard and a Soul Gem, and Heidelberg Castle.
> At the end of my minion phase, the Tupdog burns by card text, triggering the
> Soul Gem's card text, and another Tupdog is revealed.
> It is legal to tap Heidelberg to take the Tupdog's blood and put it onto
> another one of my ready vampires.
> But since it is the "end of the minion phase", the new Tupdog need not hunt
> before he also explodes.
>
> Given that the above is correct, could I use a Rutor's Hand to untap an empty
> vampire during that "end of minion phase" window when I tapped the Heidelberg,
> leaving that vampire without having to hunt?
>
> If yes, I am confused because I was under the impression that the "Madness
> Network Fix" was created partly to avoid this situation.
>
> If no, why is it different from Heidelberg in the illustrated example?

REVERSAL:

Effects applied "at the end of a minion phase" are applied "after the end of the
minion phase"

Tupdog, Thirst, and César Holfield.

henrik wrote:
> On Sep 22, 3:49 pm, LSJ <vtes...@...> wrote:
>> henrik wrote:
>>> On Sep 22, 12:59 pm, LSJ <vtes...@...> wrote:
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> If Julius bum's rushes say Nana Buruku then plays Mummify as a strike
>>>>> and burns, can a 9+ cap titled vampire with the same controller as
>>>>> Julius burn Nana with Rubicon?
>>>> Yes.
>>> Can you elaborate that one a bit?
>>> I don't really see why Nana Buruku would be considered to have burned
>>> Julius.
>> Nana is the opposing minion.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e957...
>
> They're not in combat though. The combat is ended by Mummify before
> Julius is burned (sent to torpor), or am I missing something?

Hrm. Right. Mummify's untap effect goes off in combat, but the torpor part
happens after.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f92b7b8fcd028a3\
3

So it doesn't work for Rubicon after all.

LSJ wrote:
> Meej wrote:
>> Not to be pedantic, but the rules text looks like it needs to be revised
there
>> anyway - there's no mention of what becomes of the action card if the action
>> is successful!  (Not that there needs to be for clarity of play, since that's
not
>> something that's confused, but for completeness' sake it ought to be there.)
>
> Perhaps. It would likely be put in 6.1.6, and the like, however, since "what
> becomes of the action card" depends on the action.
>
>> Does the action card on a successful action go to the ash heap just
>> *before*
>> resolution, or just *after*?  (In other words, during a combat
>
> Before.

Oops. After.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a0cae22d49ab2be\
3

>> resulting from a
>> successful Bum's Rush, is the Bum's Rush itself in the ash heap, or in
>> Limbo?)
>
> Ash heap.

So: Limbo.

floppyzedolfin wrote:
> On 17 oct, 12:52, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@...> wrote:
>> floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>> Floppy, see this thread that turns into a discussion about Ravnos
Carnival:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/browse_t..\
.
>
> Yup, I read that one before asking all those Nergal questions.
>
>> It should answer your questions like this:
>>
>>> a/ Nergal has 2 blood and plays Exile (cost: 2 blood). Nergal burns 1
>>> blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance), and the
>>> action isn't blocked. Must he use his special to reduce the cost of
>>> the action card to 1 blood?
>> Yes.
>
> If "cost paid from somewhere else" and "reduce cost" work the same, I
> actually read this
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/846ecc006ab0dba\
7
> as a "No." to my question.

Correct ("No").

>>> b/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). The bleed
>>> is deflected; must Nergal use his special to reduce the cost of the
>>> card to 1 blood?
>> Yes.
>
> Probably.

Correct (and also per the link you gave above).

>>> c/ Nergal has 1 blood and plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Nergal
>>> burns 1 blood before resolution (Elder Impersonation, for instance);
>>> and the action isn't blocked. Has Nergal "tainted" the use of his
>>> special for this turn ?
>> No.
>
> Hm. Don't know about that one. Had the action cost 1 blood, he would
> have had to use his special (per b/).
>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/298cfbad07d1bc6\
7
> seems to indicate he uses the special as he announces the action.

"No" is correct. He hasn't used his special.

>>> d/ Nergal has 1 blood. He plays Propaganda (cost: 2 blood). Someone
>>> cancels it as it is played (Direct Intervention, ...). Is Nergal's
>>> special "tainted" for the rest of the turn?
>> No.
>
> The only "almost-related" link I could find was this one :
>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8a1193221154922\
a
>
> I also found this one, which is... well... seems to go in another
> direction (reduce cost before DI rather than when paying for card) :
>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fa36cf89dfdfc07\
f

"No" is correct.

XZealot wrote:
> If I am blocked taking a leave torpor action, can one of my vampires
> with superior viccitude play Malleable Visage to enter combat with the
> blocking minion prior to the opportunity for the blockign minion to
> commit diablerie?  I think you can , but I wanted to ask.

Yes (and the blocker loses the opportunity to diablerize, as in the Blood
Brother Ambush case).

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/1ebdf5950ddfd2c\
7

>
> Malleable Visage
> Type: Action Modifier
> Requires: Vicissitude
> Cost: 1 blood
> [vic] Only usable by a ready, untapped vampire. Usable when an ally
> you control is blocked, before combat begins. The combat is canceled;
> untap the acting minion and tap this modifying vampire. This vampire
> enters combat with the blocking minion.
> [VIC] As above, but usable when a vampire you control is blocked.

Petri Wessman wrote:
> On Nov 18, 3:49 am, LSJ <vtes...@...> wrote:
>>>> #4. The Erciyes Fragment can foil your prey's attempt to continue an
>>>> action (e.g. Form of Mist), right? So my prey plays an action card and
>>>> it is blocked (so the card goes to the ash heap). During combat, I can
>>>> tap the Erciyes Fragment to remove the action card from his ash heap,
>>>> preventing him from continuing the action. This issue was alluded to
>>>> in one of the threads involving Massassi's Honor but I want to make
>>>> sure.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/1732...
>
> Followup question on this one: if in the above scenario the prey had a
> second (older) copy of the action card in question already in their
> ash heap, would that let them continue the action? Or does action
> continuation need & check for the specific copy of the action card?

The specific card.

floppyzedolfin wrote:
> On Nov 19, 12:56 am, LSJ <vtes...@...> wrote:
>> ira...@... wrote:
>>> Hello LSJ,
>>> Can I play Predator's Communion at ABO after combat between an acting
>>> vampire and my blocking vampire?  I think the answer is yes, in the
>>> same window as Cat's Guidance, since the acting vampire is still
>>> considered acting after the combat ends (since it could play Freak
>>> Drive, which requires an acting vampire.)
>> Yes.
>>
>
> Given this answer, can I use Babble to untap a minion after the
> resolution of an action ? (in the Freak Drive window)
>
> This link says I can't :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3e09b91ddcbb7a6\
1
> , but I don't get the difference. None of those have the "usable post-
> resolution" cardtext ("Only usable by a tapped vampire immediately
> after he or she blocks" on Cats' Guidance)
>
> Can I use the Underbridge Stray to untap a minion I control after the
> resolution of a (D) action against me ? (in the Freak Drive window)

Quite right.

REVERSAL: Predator's Communion [ABO] is only usable before resolution.
(Like Babble and Underbridge Stray -- this also reverses a ruling I made at the
EC regarding Underbridge Stray).

On 12/16/09 9:41 , Jozxyqk wrote:
> Byzar relevant text:
> "If Byzar would be burned, put a burn counter on him and move him to torpor
> instead."
>
> Judgment: Camarilla Segregation relevant text:
> "Any Methuselah may burn this card by burning a non-Camarilla vampire he or
> she controls during his or her master phase."
>
> Does it satisfy the burn clause of J:CS if Byzar goes to torpor and gains a
> counter?
>
> I assume yes.
>

Correct.

Similar to Set's Cursing an Ilomba:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/5417f23c4c1c8b9\
3

On 12/16/09 11:17 , floppyzedolfin wrote:
> On Dec 16, 5:14 pm, aaronmiller38<aaronmille...@...>  wrote:
>> So here is a fun what if question.
>>
>> Byzer goes out and finds the Soul Gem, and then is burned by the
>> Archons or in Baltimore of all places (Archon Investigation or
>> Baltimore Purge).
>>
>> He goes to torpor instead of burning as per his special.
>>
>> Do we get to see a free younger vampire with the Soul Gem?
>>
>> I have a guess, but just wanted to put the question out there, as
>> other cards also work around burning vampires.
>
> I guess you don't get to have a new vampire, since Soul Gem's text
> reads "If this vampire is burned,", which should never happen with
> Byzar.
>

Correct. Like not getting a Trophy for "almost" burning a Red List minion.

There are two things here: applying a "burn this thing" effect (which is what
Set's Curse and J:CS do) vs. responding to a "that thing is burned" event (which
is what Trophies and Soul Gems do).

On 12/17/09 7:57 , cthulukitty wrote:
> Why does Grotesque use the language it does? Crypt cards are never played,

Because crypt cards are played.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/510e3e7a18ef568\
6

> and if my memory serves there has never been a reference to playing
> one on any other VTES card or rule. Why not use the language on
> vampires like Anarch Convert rather than the novel and incorrect
> language chosen?

Brevity, correctness, and consistency.

> What does it mean to play a vampire?

To put it anew into play (i.e., to introduce it to the history stream of the
game). Playing it in the usual fashion at the end of the influence phase
(assuming it wasn't there from a Banishment) or to play it from a state in which
it has no memory. Examples given per the list you provide below.

Same as the circumstances under which Incriminating Videotape can choose a
minion.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a4b73bb13668619\
f

> Does Undue
> Influence at [qui] count?

Yes, assuming no prior history (e.g., no Banishment)

> What about Chain of Command?

Yes, assuming no prior history.

> What if a ready
> vampire at full capacity is banished and then returns to play without
> the controller doing anything?

Xe has done something: xe returned the vampire to play.
But in this case, to maintain consistency with the Incriminating Videotape
rulings, the Grotesque maintains his previously-chosen selection.

> It seems like the rules and wording of VTES keep becoming more and
> more confusing and inconsistent, when simply sticking to the existing
> language would be much clearer.

Because he doesn't switch if Banished (or contested, if the language is used on
a unique crypt card).

On Jan 21, 5:18 am, "Stone" <mc_judge_st...@...> wrote:
> The following questions involve Karen Suadela and assume she is a Prince,
> except on question 5/.
>
> 1/ If Karen Suadela is in torpor and still a Prince, does her controller
> need to burn 1 pool during the discard phase if Dragonbound is in play ? I
> guess yes, she is immune to Gehenna but her controller isn't (or something
> like that).

Correct. Dragonbound doesn't affect any minion, so being immune to it
is superfluous for minions. Suadela's controller burns a pool for her
being in torpor, as usual.

> 2/ Can Karen Suadela be chosen for blood transfer via Blood Trade ? If yes,
> would the blood effectively move ?

Blood Trade cannot move blood from her.
Blood moved to her would go to the bank instead.

> 3/ Would her controller have to reveal the first discipline-requiring card
> played with Veil of Darkness in play ? (I guess not, just checking..)

Correct. She'd be immune to the consequences of revealing a master
card in any event, so it seems more logical to be immune to revealing
the card at all.

> 4/ Can she call the referendum to burn the New Inquisition ?

No.

> 5/ With Blood Weakens in play, I guess she just replaces the card requiring
> disciplines she plays.

Correct.

> Now if she commits diablerie and later on loses her
> Prince title (with no other Gehenna played), is she still immune to BW ? I
> guess not, she should also be "immune" to the immunity-granted-by-diablerie
> effect whilst still being a Prince.

Correct.

> The same question could apply to Slow
> Withering and the answer should be the same.

Correct.

> 6/ Fueled by Heart's Blood is in play and has less counters than Karen's
> capacity. If she diablerizes a younger vampire, is a blood hunt called ?

Yes.

> 7/ Restricted Vitae is in play. Obviously, Karen is still allowed to hunt as
> normal. Can she perform the alternate hunt action (should be "no") ?

Correct.

> Can she
> still be chosen by another vampire for the alternate hunt action (should be
> yes, by analogy with the Recalled to the Founder case) ? If the answer is
> yes, she wouldn't lose any blood and the hunting vampire wouldn't gain any
> blood ?

Correct.

> 8/ Nightmares upon Nightmares
> She is obviously immune to the "tap that vampire" effect, but is her
> controller still allowed to burn a card from his hand (cycling purpose) ?

Yes, similar to the Recalled to the Founder case cited in 7/ (and
parallel to the Dragonbound example in 1/.

> 9/ Conquest of Humanity vs locations on Karen (Palatial Estate etc.). Those
> locations are affected as normal by the event, right ?

Yes.

> 10/ Break the Code : she cannot enter combat with an Imbued using BtC ?

Correct.

> most card texts included below.
> thanks
>
> Stone
>
> Name: Dragonbound
> [Gehenna:R, LotN:PA]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace as long as this card is in play.
> During each Methuselah's discard phase, he or she burns X pool, where X is
> the number of vampires in torpor he or she controls.
> Artist: Richard Thomas
>
> Name: Karen Suadela
> [KoT:V]
> Cardtype: Vampire
> Clan: Brujah
> Group: 5
> Capacity: 7
> Discipline: obf pre CEL POT
> Camarilla Prince of Houston: Gehenna cards do not affect Karen while she is
> a prince. She gets +1 stealth on undirected actions.
> Artist: Heather Kreiter
>
> Name: Blood Trade
> [Gehenna:R]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna.
> Burn all boons in play. No more boons may be put in play. During each
> Methuselah's untap phase, that Methuselah may move a blood from a vampire he
> or she controls to a vampire controlled by another Methuselah.
> Artist: Steve Ellis
>
> Name: Blood Weakens
> [Gehenna:R, KoT:R]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire commits diablerie.
> Cards minions play that require any Disciplines are not replaced until the
> end of the current action or until any Methuselah's hand is empty (whichever
> comes first). Any vampire who commits diablerie is immune to this effect
> until the next Gehenna card is played.
> Artist: Jeff Holt
>
> Name: Fueled by Heart's Blood
> [Gehenna:R]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire commits diablerie.
> Put 10 counters on this card. Remove one counter each time another Gehenna
> card is put in play. A blood hunt cannot be called on a vampire whose
> capacity is greater than the number of counters on this card when he or she
> diablerizes a younger vampire.
> Artist: Randy Asplund
>
> Name: Restricted Vitae
> [Gehenna:R, KMW:PAn]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire successfully hunts.
> Vampires cannot hunt unless forced to hunt. A vampire who must hunt may hunt
> by stealing a blood from a younger vampire as a (D) action instead of
> performing the usual hunt action.
> Artist: Brian LeBlanc
>
> Name: Nightmares upon Nightmares
> [Gehenna:R]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until your next discard phase.
> For each minion a Methuselah controls during his or her untap phase, the
> Methuselah must burn a card from his or her hand or tap that minion. Cards
> burned in this way are not replaced until the master phase. Vampires with
> capacity greater than the number of Gehenna cards in play and mortal allies
> are not affected by this card.
> Artist: Mark Nelson
>
> Name: Conquest of Humanity
> [Gehenna:R]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna. Do not replace until your next discard phase.
> Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. During each Methuselah's
> untap phase, he or she may choose a location controlled by his or her prey.
> The chosen location is burned unless its controller burns 2 pool.
> Artist: Joel Biske
>
> Name: Break the Code
> [NoR:R]
> Cardtype: Event
> Gehenna.
> Imbued get -1 intercept when attempting to block monsters. A ready monster
> can enter combat with an imbued as a (D) action.
> Artist: Veronica Jones

On Feb 5, 9:23 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi, Mr. No quoted card text.

> - Blessing of the Beast
> Do you replace for playing Blessing of the Name it before you put the
> cards on it ?
> (put another way : do you have to set "any" when you play the cards,
> or do you set it at resolution ?)

Fully announce each card play = You set the "any" when you play it.

> - Cavalier
> Can a vampire have more than 1 Cavalier?

No, Errata: That card ends with "A vampire can have only one
archetype."

> - Development
> Do you have to say where you will replace the card from when you play
> the card?

No.

> - Fanfare for Elysium
> I guess the level of discipline to use is chosen when the card is
> played, and not when setting the terms of the referendum (matters for
> Slow Withering, for instance). Is this correct?

? True of every card that requires a Discipline.

> If I control a Fanfare for Elysium, can I play another at sup'
> melpominee?

No.

> - Lord of Serenity
> What's the order for blocks at for?
> a - 1: first target's controler (if any); 2: second target's controler
> (if any); 3: clockwise
> b - clockwise, regardless of the controlers of the chosen vampires?

Regular blockers then card-specified blockers (cf. Madness Network).
So if it is undirected: prey, predator, others clockwise.
If Directed: target(s) clockwise, others clockwise.

> - Momentary Delay
> My acting vampire is blocked, and meets the requirements to play
> Momentary Delay at the end of the action. Can he play sup' Freak
> Drive, and then Momentary Delay? (my guess is he can, since it's still
> the end of the action).

Sure. Unless paying for the Freak Drive makes him ineligible to play
MD.

> Could he play Momentary Delay first, and then, before continueing the
> action, sup' Freak Drive (my guess is he can't, since it's no longer
> the end of the action).

Correct.

> The acting vampire played Mirror Walk superior, and got successfully
> blocked. Can he play Momentary Delay on this action (it should be No,
> with similarity to Mirror Walk & Freak Drive)?

Right. Cannot play modifiers after the end of the action.

> - The Rising
> The Rising is in play. I do not have the edge. I successfully bleed
> with Kindred Spirits. Do I gain 1 pool from Kindred Spirits ?

No. You have to resolve the bleed (resolve the action) in order to get
the Edge.

> - Shatter the Gates
> The shattered counters remain active even after the controler of the
> Baali who played the 3rd Shatter the Gate was ousted, right?

Yes.

> - Slake the Thirst
> If I play Taste of Vitae, I can play several Slake the Thirst at
> inferior, correct?

Yes.

> If the vampire with sanguinus gains 5 blood, of which 2 drain off,
> does the Slake the Thirst award 3 blood, or does it allow 5 ?

The vampire "gains 5", per your set-up.

> - Thicker than Blood
> Does the Blood Brother moved to the ready region keep any cards and
> counters he had in the uncontrolled region? (I don't know for the
> cards attached to him, but it seems like he wouldn't keep the blood)

Yes. cf. Tomb of Rameses III and Undue Influence.

On Feb 8, 7:38 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
> Hi,

Hi honorable card-text-quoter,

> * Suppose Epikasta Rigatos performs a Govern the Unaligned action. She
> is blocked, but, at the end of the action, meets the requirements to
> play Momentary Delay. Does her controler get the opportunity to
> shuffle back in her library a Govern the Unaligned before playing
> Momentary Delay?

Yes, but that would make Momentary Delay unable to continue the
action.
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> If yes, does she also get the opportunity to shuffle
> back a Govern the Unaligned at the "second" end of the action, given
> Epikasta plays Momentary Delay?

Moot.

> * Suppose Peacemaker gets played during an action that gets blocked.
> Does the vampire who played Peacemaker untap before the acting vampire
> gets the opportunity to play Momentary Delay?

No. Acting Methuselah gets the first opportunity to play an effect.

> * If Xian "DziDzat155" Quan successfully blocks a vampire, and if that
> vampire meets Momentary Delay at this action's end, does Xian
> "DziDzat155" Quan get a conviction before Momentary gets to be played?

No, as Peacemaker above.

> If so, does he also get 1 conviction at the "second" end of the
> action?

Moot.

> Thanks,
> Pascal
>
> ~~
>
> Epikasta Rigatos
> Cardtype: Vampire
> Clan: Toreador
> Group: 4
> Capacity: 8
> Discipline: cel AUS DOM PRE
> Camarilla Prince of New York: You may move an action card Epikasta
> plays from your ash heap to your library at the end of the action
> (shuffle afterward).
>
> Peacemaker
> Cardtype: Reaction
> Discipline: Obeah/Presence
> Only usable by a vampire who successfully blocks a (D) action directed
> at you (play before combat).
> [pre] Cancel combat. The action continues as if unblocked. For the
> remainder of this action, all minions get -1 bleed and -1 strength.
> [obe] As [pre] above, and untap this blocking vampire at the end of
> the action.
> [OBE] As [obe] above, but all minions get -2 bleed and -2 strength and
> cannot use weapons.
>
> Xian "DziDzat155" Quan
> Cardtype: Imbued
> Creed: Defender
> Group: 4
> Life: 4
> Virtue: def inn
> If Xian successfully blocks a monster and is still ready at the end of
> the action, he may gain a conviction from your hand or ash heap.
>
> (according to a transcription of the cardtext) :
> Momentary Delay
> Cardtype: Action Modifier
> Requires a vampire with capacity 7 or more.
> Only usable at the end of an action blocked by an ally or a vampire of
> capacity 5 or less (after any combats). Not usable if more than one
> round of combat has occured nor if this vampire has lost 3 or more
> blood this action or ended combat before the press step. The action
> continues as if unblocked.

On Feb 10, 7:38 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
>   - Can the acting minion play Kiss of Ra at superior on an attempt to
>  block from Unleash Hell's Fury ?

Yes.

>      If he can, which one is it -
>  a/ Unleash Hell's Fury is placed in the "controlled by not ready"
>  region
>  b/ Unleash Hell's Fury stops faking being a vampire when KoR reads
> "the blockin attempt is cancelled", and is therefore not affected by
> the rest of the card

b. sounds easier to handle.

>   - Can Elder Impersonation sup' be played against  Unleash Hell's
>  Fury?

Yes.

>     If Elder Impersonation sup' is played against Unleash Hell's Fury,
> can
>  the card attempt to block anew ?
>     (I'm not sure it would be the "same minion" if triggered a second
>  time).

No. It would be the same minion.

>   - If Faceless Night sup' is played on an attempt to block with
>  Unleash Hell's Fury, and the attempt is not successful, is the card
>  tapped?

Tapped, no. It's not a minion when the FN effect comes to tap the
minion.
But it wouldn't matter. The card doesn't need to be untapped in order
to attempt to block.

On Feb 10, 5:35 pm, Sim <nex...@...> wrote:
> Baaliprimogen wrote:
> > Card 1: Pressing Flesh
> > thn: choose a ally that's been burned. Move it to the ready region
> > with this card and it's starting life. It get's -1 bleed, fortitude
> > and is a zombie (simplified)
>
> > Question: If one of my imbueds gets burned. And i use PF to make him a
> > Zombie. Does he keep his Imbued status? Does he keep his creed and
> > virtues? May he gain Convictions?
>
> He is no longer Imbued, he is a zombie.

Correct.

Imbued is a type of mortal ally. Pressing Flesh turns the imbued into
a zombie ally that is not a mortal ally and therefore not an imbued.

> Creed and Virtues should stay.

Hmm. Seems more consistent to say that Creed and Virtues are Imbued-
only just like Clan and Disciplines are vampire-only [RTR 05-JAN-99].

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> Gain conviction, no reason they would.

Correct. [NoR 2]

On Feb 23, 3:33 pm, Raynor <thrill_kill_c...@...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> By searching Google Newsgroups I have come upon the ruling of rescuing
> Mitchell the Headhunter with Sense Vitality cost one blood, so I think
> that Lord of Serenity costs Miriam Benyona one less is for sure.
>
> But does it cost her two less, because he rescues two vampires?

Lord of Serenity costs zero, so the question of whether the final cost
is -1 or -2 is mostly moot, as she would end up paying zero anyhow.

But for the cases when the action's cost is increased by two (or
more), it matters, so:

Miriam reduces the cost of a rescue action by one, regardless of the
number of vampires rescued.

> Miriam Benyona
> Independent: Rescuing a vampire from torpor costs Miriam 1 less blood.
> During your untap phase, you may move 1 blood from Miriam to any ready
> vampire. Scarce.
>
> Lord of Serenity
> +1 stealth action.
> [for] Rescue up to two vampires from torpor. Any ready vampire may
> attempt to block this action.
> [obe] Put this card on the acting vampire. During your untap phase,
> this vampire gains 1 blood. Any vampire may burn this card as a (D)
> action.
> [OBE] As [obe] above, but this vampire gains 2 blood.

On Feb 23, 6:17 pm, h...@... (Janne Hägglund) wrote:
> LSJ <vtes...@...> writes:
> > On Feb 23, 3:33 pm, Raynor <thrill_kill_c...@...> wrote:
> > > Hi!
>
> > > By searching Google Newsgroups I have come upon the ruling of rescuing
> > > Mitchell the Headhunter with Sense Vitality cost one blood, so I think
> > > that Lord of Serenity costs Miriam Benyona one less is for sure.
>
> > > But does it cost her two less, because he rescues two vampires?
> > > Miriam Benyona
> > > Independent: Rescuing a vampire from torpor costs Miriam 1 less blood.
> > > During your untap phase, you may move 1 blood from Miriam to any ready
> > > vampire. Scarce.
>
> > > Lord of Serenity
> > > +1 stealth action.
> > > [for] Rescue up to two vampires from torpor. Any ready vampire may
> > > attempt to block this action.
> > > [obe] Put this card on the acting vampire. During your untap phase,
> > > this vampire gains 1 blood. Any vampire may burn this card as a (D)
> > > action.
> > > [OBE] As [obe] above, but this vampire gains 2 blood.
>
> > Lord of Serenity costs zero, so the question of whether the final cost
> > is -1 or -2 is mostly moot, as she would end up paying zero anyhow.
>
> Errm, all the Lord of Serenity cards I have are printed with a cost of
> 3 blood.  The text quoted above is missing the cost.

Well, then. The answer is applicable in many more cases. :-)
Thanks for the addendum.

> > But for the cases when the action's cost is increased by two (or
> > more), it matters, so:
>
> > Miriam reduces the cost of a rescue action by one, regardless of the
> > number of vampires rescued.
>
> So the 3-blood-costing Lord of Serenity at outferior fortitude would cost
> 2 blood, I presume.

True fact.

On Feb 25, 1:18 pm, wedge <matt...@...> wrote:
> Do you put one corruption counter on a minion controlled by any
> Methuselah or one corruption counter per Methuselah?
>
> I think one on any, but...

At best, yes. It seems that it could be "only if there's only one
Methuselah targeted".

But let's go with one on any for now.

> Celestial Harmony
> +1 stealth action.
> [aus] (D) Choose a Methuselah. That Methuselah selects all but one of
> the cards in his or her hand and shows them to you.
> [AUS] As above, but all Methuselahs are chosen.
>
> Weigh the Heart
> [aus][ser] +1 bleed. After playing this card, you cannot play another
> action modifier to further increase the bleed for this action.
> [AUS][SER] Only usable as a (D) action is announced. If this action is
> successful, put a corruption counter on a minion controlled by the
> target Methuselah (after resolving the action)

On Mar 15, 4:10 pm, "mong...@..." <mhir...@...> wrote:
> Can Voices of the Castle (at [vis]) be used to grant intercept cross-
> table?

Yes.

> (ie., is a Gargoyle enslaved to their controller's vampires or all
> vampires of that clan?)

"Slave: Some minions are identified as slaves to a specified clan."
i.e., A Tremere Slave is enslaved to Tremere.

> If control of a Grotesque changes,(via Temptation, etc.) would they
> immediately be removed from game?
> (assuming that the chosen location does not change control at the same
> time)

Yes.

> Thanks,
>
> Matt H.
>
> Voices of the Castle [HttB:C/PGar2]
> Cardtype:       Reaction
> Discipline:     Visceratika / Thaumaturgy
> [tha] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 intercept.
> [vis]+1 intercept, or give +1 intercept to a vampire to whom this
> vampire is enslaved.
> [VIS] Reduce a bleed against you by 2.
>
> Grotesque [HttB:U2]
> Cardtype:       Vampire
> Clan:   Gargoyle
> Group:  6
> Capacity:       3
> Discipline:     for pot vis
> Camarilla. Tremere slave: Non-unique. When played, choose a location
> you control not chosen for a Grotesque. Remove this Grotesque from the
> game if you no longer control the location. Flight [FLIGHT].

On Apr 19, 9:45 pm, LSJ <vtes...@...> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 5:02 pm, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
> > c/ My vampire has Ankara Citadel. He performs a Govern the Unaligned
> > action, which costs 1 blood but for which he pays 0. Can he burn 1
> > blood to untap at the end of the action via Cavalier?
> > My opinion is he can. Ankara Citadel ( Drink the Blood of Ahriman and
> > Inscription ) don't change the cost, just the amount of blood spent to
> > pay it.
>
> Correct.

REVERSAL: Ankara Citadel changes the cost.

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Likewise Drink the Blood of Ahriman.

?
Inscription doesn't change the cost of anything, though.

> > The Ankara Citadel, Turkey
> > Cardtype: Equipment
> > Clan: Tremere
> > Cost: 2 blood
> > This equipment card represents a unique location and does not count as
> > equipment while in play.
> > The vampire with this location pays only half of the blood cost for
> > any cards he or she plays (round down).

On Apr 30, 11:26 am, John Flournoy <carne...@...> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 7:37 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
> > [the action cards in the examples would go to the ash heap after
> > resolution. Common example: Govern the Unaligned]
>
> > a - My Epikasta Rigatos' action card is cancelled with Direct
> > Intervention . May I move the action card in the library ?
>
> Yes. The card has still been played, and the action has ended (albeit
> by having the action effectively cancelled.)

No. There is no action, so there is no end of the action.

> > b - Epikasta's action is blocked, and she plays Change of Target. Can
> > the action card be moved back to the library ?
>
> Yes. Change of target explicitly ends the action, which is what
> Epikasta is triggering on. (Not even sure why this one is a question.)

Correct.

> > c - Epikasta's action is blocked, and the blocking vampire plays
> > Obedience. Can the action card be moved back to the library ?
>
> Again, why is this unclear? Obedience explicitly ends the action, so
> after that the card can be moved.

Correct.

> > d - Epikasta plays an action card. Someone plays Mask of a Thousand
> > Faces during the action. Can the action card be moved back to the
> > library ?
>
> I'd say no - by taking over the role of the acting minion, the Mask-
> using vamp is treated as if they were the one that played the card as
> well - they have to pay the cost for it when the action resolves, etc.
> So if Epikasta no longer counts as playing it, no.

He can. He played the action card. The masker has to pay (assuming the
action is successful), but that's not at issue to Epikasta's text .

On May 18, 12:57 pm, Neil <drnlmul...@...> wrote:
> I have used Pressing Flesh on an ally - and this has just been burnt.
>
> a) Can I use Compel the Spirit on the ally?

Yes.

> From the discussion about Khazar Diary wraiths (http://
> groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/
> 2bea874af5aff5b2), I suspect the answer is no, because the card in the
> ash heap doesn't represent the zombie ally that was burnt, but I'm not
> sure, especially in the case where the ally was originally a zombie.

In that thread, the card was used to represent something else.
For Pressing Flesh, the card is used as itself.

See also burning a vampire who has Clan Impersonation.

> b) Can I use Pressing Flesh on the ally?

Yes.

> I think this is possible, as the card still represents the ally that
> was originally burnt before the first Pressing Flesh was played.

Sure, but it's also the same ally that was just burned.

> Card Texts:
>
> Compel the Spirit
>
> +1 stealth action.
> [nec] Move an ally or retainer that was burned from play since your
> last turn from your ash heap to your hand.
> [NEC] As above, but move it to your ready region (ignore requirements
> and cost) with X life from the blood bank, where X is the starting
> life of the ally or retainer. If it is a retainer, place it on the
> acting minion.
>
> Pressing Flesh
>
> +1 stealth action.
> [thn] Choose an ally that was burned from play. Move that ally from
> the ash heap to your ready region with this card and life equal to its
> starting life. This ally is a zombie instead of what it used to be,
> gets -1 bleed, cannot gain life, and may play cards that require basic
> Fortitude [for] as a vampire.
> [THN] As above, but with an additional life.

On Jul 2, 7:43 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 11:56 am, BeAst <john.b...@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 10:46 am, BeAst <john.b...@...> wrote:
> > > Mask cannot be used to mask an action if the Masking vampire is not
> > > capable of taking that action, nor if any action modifiers, reactions,
> > > or other effects (including inherent stealth) have been played on this
> > > action that could not have been played/used if the Masking vampire
> > > were the acting minion. (Not counting blood that has already been
> > > spent.) [RTR 19980623] [RTR 20030519] [RTR 20041202]
>
> > > Blind Spot
> > > Master.
> > > Choose a vampire you control and an ally or younger vampire controlled
> > > by your prey. While the first chosen vampire is acting this turn, the
> > > other chosen minion cannot block or play reaction cards.
>
> > > ---------------------------------
>
> > > Meth A has 2 vampires, Meth B is his prey with 1 vamp, Meth C is A's
> > > predator, also with 1 vamp.
>
> > > In A's master phase they select one of their vampires for the effects
> > > of Blind Spot, choosing B's only vamp. B's vamp now cannot declare a
> > > block attempt, nor play reaction cards. A's first vampire takes an
> > > undirected action. C declares their vamp attempts to block. A's second
> > > vamp plays mask of 1k faces to take over the action...
>
> > > *interrupt*
>
> > > I believe this is not legal, since the "effect" of Blind Spot to deny
> > > B's vamp a block is not applicable to the second of A's vampires, and
> > > B (in effect) has been denied a block window against a vampire they
> > > could have declared a block attempt against.
>
> > If the order of acting had been changed (so A's non- Blind Spotted
> > vamp started the undirected action) and B's vamp had declared a block
> > attempt, if A's Blind Spotted vamp then played Mask of 1k faces to
> > take over the action, would B's block attempt simply fizzle?
>
> I suppose it'd fail immediately (not sure block attempts can "fizzle").

No. In this case, an effect has been applied ("B's vamp attempts to
block") that could not have been applied had A's Blind-Spotted vampire
been acting, so A's Blind-Spotted vampire cannot play Mask.

On Jul 13, 9:01 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@...> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2:48 pm, XXIcentury <skard...@...> wrote:
> > 1. Action is directed if it targets cards controled by a methuselah,
> > including the uncontrolled region, and cards in hand?

by "one or more other Methuselahs", right. [6.2.2.1]

As you note, cards in the hand/uncontrolled region count for this,
correct.

Floppy's more lengthy response is also correct (and the salient parts
are summarized as above).

> If the action selects / targets / chooses something
> - in ready region
> - in play (I never thought about it, but the Parthenon isn't really
> put "in your ready region")

It is put in your ready region.

> - in the uncontrolled region
> - in the hand
> - in the "out of play" region (Clio's Kiss)

Clio targets the Methuselah.
"That Methuselah yields".

> - in the library
> of another Methuselah (or of any 2 or more Methuselahs)
> then it is directed at these Methuselas (not including you).

... although if you are also a target, the action remains "directed".

> > 2. So Border Skirmish is a directed action (although it has no
> > reminder (D) simbol)?
>
> Yes - directed at each other Methuselah.

Correct.

At the time it was printed, the rules governing what is or is not a
directed action were different. Under those old rules, Border Skirmish
was not directed (except when only 2 players remained), so it did not
include the (D) symbol.

Under the current rules, however, it is always directed.

> > 3. if yes, it targets all other methuselahs, so after a successful
> > Border Skirmish action, an anarch can play No Confidence on any
> > (other) methuselah's titled vampire?
>
> Yes.

Correct.

> > As Loki's Gift is a hunt action, you can use some means (feeding
> > razor, hospital food, etc) to increase the amount of blood gained, as
> > per RTR on alternate hunt actions. Where would an aditional blood  be
> > gained from:
> > 4.1 At inferior, it is obviously from blood bank?

Correct.

> If not specified, blood always comes from the same source. So, Blood
> Bank for Aaron's Feeding Razor and others.

Correct.

> > 4.2 At superior, a target would burn only one blood, but you could
> > gain the additional point, in this case, probably from the blood bank
> > again, right?
>
> Yes. You're not hunting from that vampire.

Correct.

> You could think of it that way: If there's no vampire with blood, and
> you play sup' Loki's Gift, would you gain 1 blood? Obviously (per
> cardtext), which implies blood doesn't come from someone else.
>
>
>
> > Thanks in advance.
> > XXIcentury,
>
> > Card text:
>
> > Border Skirmish
> > +1 stealth action. Requires a ready anarch.
> > Each other Methuselah discards one card at random from his or her
> > hand, and this anarch untaps at the end of the turn.
>
> > No Confidence
> > Action Modifier
> > Play after resolving a successful action that requires an anarch.
> > Put this card on a titled non-anarch vampire controlled by the target
> > of the action (or by your predator or prey if the action is
> > undirected). A vampire with two No Confidence cards loses the benefit
> > of his or her title. Burn this card if this acting vampire leaves the
> > ready region.
>
> > Loki's Gift
> > Protean
> > +1 stealth hunt action.
> >  Gain 1 blood and this card. This vampire can burn this card and 1
> > blood to get +1 stealth. A vampire can have only one Loki's Gift.
> >  (D) As above, and burn a blood from any vampire. This vampire may
> > burn this card as above, or may burn it during a referendum to gain 2
> > votes.