For the benefit of those yet to hear about these, two new zines have
recently been launched:

Psychopath - see www.psychozine.co.uk

Infinite Threads - see www.star6.freeserve.co.uk

Richard

Thanks Richard - as ever you beat me to publicising my own zine! So
it goes. Anyone checking out the zine as a result of seeing it
mentioned here please drop me a line at mike.dean@... -
cheers MIKE

--- In ukpbm@y..., "Richard Smith" <richard@s...> wrote:
> For the benefit of those yet to hear about these, two new zines have
> recently been launched:
>
> Psychopath - see www.psychozine.co.uk
>
> Infinite Threads - see www.star6.freeserve.co.uk
>
> Richard

Dear all,

It seems to have gone very quiet in the group. Is there much going on?

I am now working out my notice period from my current job, with nothing to go
to, so I might have some spare time to help out with some stuff.

Cheers
Howard

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Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2001 19:53
Subject: [ukpbm] Wassaaaaaaaaap


Dear all,

It seems to have gone very quiet in the group. Is there much going on?

I am now working out my notice period from my current job, with nothing to go
to, so I might have some spare time to help out with some stuff.

Cheers
Howard

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Hi all. A new Game of Russell Wallace's Rainbow's End Game 2 is
starting very soon. It is a
science fiction(sort of) Empire building Strategy Game where the aim
is to
build and destroy the enemy. Its looking for new players. Oh, and its
FREE! Oh and more important is the fact that someone else is hosting
the game giving you the opportunity to play Russell

To sign up email csshelton70@...

For more infomation on the game check out
http://www.esatclear.ie/~rwallace/rules.html

Also there is a Yahoo group that new players are welcome to check
out .


Visit    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rainbows_End

Good Luck

Tony

The Games Store website is now offering the ability to link to Games-
related websites totally free of charge. It would be a good
opportunity to get a presence here.

Is there a website (or multiple websites) I should add?

Howard

In message <9h6p90+5h2b@eGroups.com>, latics@... writes
>The Games Store website is now offering the ability to link to Games-
>related websites totally free of charge. It would be a good
>opportunity to get a presence here.
>
>Is there a website (or multiple websites) I should add?
>

Well - for Diplomacy I run the following...

www.diplomacy-archives.com
www.variantbank.com
www.armisticeday.com
www.diplomacyworld.org

I would also recommend

www.dip2000.org.uk
www.diplom.org

Regards

--
Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

As the list owner I was wondering whether the time hasn't come to put
this list to bed?

Discussion is at a minimum and the pbm hobby has almost completely
migrated to the Internet.

Any views?

--
Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

Well I suppose the question is - is it serving a purpose ?  Trying to retain a
paper based postal gaming fraternity is perhaps now a luddite thing.

However, as I just joined and haven't done anything in fandom for about 10 years
I guess I'm not the best person to express an opinion!


----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Agar
To: UKPBM Mailing List
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 07:22
Subject: [ukpbm] Shall We Delete This List?



As the list owner I was wondering whether the time hasn't come to put
this list to bed?

Discussion is at a minimum and the pbm hobby has almost completely
migrated to the Internet.

Any views?

--
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http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

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In message <012701c102e3$c880cac0$4ca1a7cb@gateway>, Ben Goodale
<ben_goodale@...> writes
>Well I suppose the question is - is it serving a purpose ?  Trying to
>retain a paper based postal gaming fraternity is perhaps now a luddite
>thing.
>
>However, as I just joined and haven't done anything in fandom for about
>10 years I guess I'm not the best person to express an opinion!
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Stephen Agar
>To: UKPBM Mailing List
>Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 07:22
>Subject: [ukpbm] Shall We Delete This List?
>
>
>
>As the list owner I was wondering whether the time hasn't come to put
>this list to bed?
>
>Discussion is at a minimum and the pbm hobby has almost completely
>migrated to the Internet.
>
>Any views?
>

Tell you what if we get 5 people saying - beyond doubt - that we should
keep this list open in the next 72 hours (and they promise to contribute
in future) then we'll keep it open. Otherwise I'll kill it on Friday.

Regards
--
Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

In message <S0pWgzAcZPQ7EwEe@...>, Stephen Agar
<stephen@...> writes

>Tell you what if we get 5 people saying - beyond doubt - that we should
>keep this list open in the next 72 hours (and they promise to contribute
>in future) then we'll keep it open. Otherwise I'll kill it on Friday.

I always read the messages that come up here, Steve, but never get to
contribute because I don't have much connection with the postal hobby as
such. Yes, I get 4 or 5 PBM zines, but I don't play games in them.

Oops, I've contributed now haven't I... :-)

Tom
--
Tom Tweedy
Diplomacy 2000: http://www.dip2000.org.uk

Thanks for keeping things ticking over, guys. The
forum never turned into what I thought it might - a
place for old editors to go for reminiscence and
consolation. But I guess zine editors never die - they
just find a new publishing address. Since the hobby as
I used to know it barely exists any more, I guess it's
time to concede to the greater power of the Net. A
shame, but ... progress, eh? So long as there is some
form of archive knocking around somewhere, I'll
continue to feel my efforts were not in vain. And if
ever the Preston Polycon and Geordiecon survivors feel
like a chat, there's plenty of room in Yahoogroups :o)

TTFN

Keep in touch, eh?

Cheers

Rip G
Ripping Publications


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     -----Original Message-----
     From: Stephen Agar <stephen@...>
     To: ukpbm@yahoogroups.com <ukpbm@yahoogroups.com>
     Date: Monday, July 02, 2001 11:33
     Subject: Re: [ukpbm] Shall We Delete This List?


     In message <012701c102e3$c880cac0$4ca1a7cb@gateway>, Ben Goodale
     <ben_goodale@...> writes
     >Well I suppose the question is - is it serving a purpose ?  Trying to
     >retain a paper based postal gaming fraternity is perhaps now a luddite
     >thing.
     >
     >However, as I just joined and haven't done anything in fandom for about
     >10 years I guess I'm not the best person to express an opinion!
     >
     >
     >----- Original Message -----
     >From: Stephen Agar
     >To: UKPBM Mailing List
     >Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 07:22
     >Subject: [ukpbm] Shall We Delete This List?
     >
     >
     >
     >As the list owner I was wondering whether the time hasn't come to put
     >this list to bed?
     >
     >Discussion is at a minimum and the pbm hobby has almost completely
     >migrated to the Internet.
     >
     >Any views?
     >

     Tell you what if we get 5 people saying - beyond doubt - that we should
     keep this list open in the next 72 hours (and they promise to contribute
     in future) then we'll keep it open. Otherwise I'll kill it on Friday.

     Regards
     --
     Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
     http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

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We should definitely keep it open.  It doesn't cost anything, and messages
go up every now and again.  So why kill it?  It may not generate masses of
discussion, but useful things come up every now and again.  I don't
understand your desire to kill it off, Stephen.

Nick
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In message <LAW2-F72Xx4XFKpRcTC0000ce74@...>, Nick Parish
<nick_parish@...> writes
>We should definitely keep it open.  It doesn't cost anything, and messages
>go up every now and again.  So why kill it?  It may not generate masses of
>discussion, but useful things come up every now and again.  I don't
>understand your desire to kill it off, Stephen.
>
>Nick

If something is more or less moribund I don't understand a desire to
keep it. However, I agree it costs nothing.

PS. Your subscription cheque for £10 bounced due to the account being
closed.

--
Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

Well,  I must admit that I like to read this list as an American
tracking the Brit hobby.  I don't need the list and don't write
often, but all things considered, I'd rather keep it.

Jim Burgess

Speaking totally selfishly here.
If it wasn't for this group I wouldn't have got involved in PBM in the first
place. When The Tangerine Terror was barely Kumquat-sized, my plea for help
on this list encouraged Alan P and Stephen A (bless 'em) to run adverts in
their respective 'zines and got me a couple of Gamestarts. I had been about
to throw in the towel, but I'm now trundling along OK.
I work in an internet start-up. I develop web applications, but I really
don't see the attraction of web-based zines. I'm glad I came across this
group. I'm sure there are loads of other people out there who would be too.
Given that it costs nothing, I'd be keen to see it stay alive, for when
someone has that flash of inspiration.
H
__________________________________________________
Howard Bishop
Clinical Trials Design Manager - Europe
Phase Forward Ltd
Clivemont House, 54 Clivemont Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire, England, SL6 7BZ.
Direct Dial: +44 (0)1628 640705.  Fax: +44 (0)1628 779031  Mobile: +44
(0)7720 061308
http://www.phaseforward.com/

I'm seeing a need.

I agree with Rip, it's a good place for old editors to reminisce and regroup,
even find old friends.  Hell, I only just joined!  Anyone know if TROG (the roar
of the greasepaint) ever started up again ?


----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Bishop
To: 'ukpbm@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2001 17:45
Subject: [ukpbm] Ah ah ah ah staying alive staying alive


Speaking totally selfishly here.
If it wasn't for this group I wouldn't have got involved in PBM in the first
place. When The Tangerine Terror was barely Kumquat-sized, my plea for help
on this list encouraged Alan P and Stephen A (bless 'em) to run adverts in
their respective 'zines and got me a couple of Gamestarts. I had been about
to throw in the towel, but I'm now trundling along OK.
I work in an internet start-up. I develop web applications, but I really
don't see the attraction of web-based zines. I'm glad I came across this
group. I'm sure there are loads of other people out there who would be too.
Given that it costs nothing, I'd be keen to see it stay alive, for when
someone has that flash of inspiration.
H
__________________________________________________
Howard Bishop
Clinical Trials Design Manager - Europe
Phase Forward Ltd
Clivemont House, 54 Clivemont Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire, England, SL6 7BZ.
Direct Dial: +44 (0)1628 640705.  Fax: +44 (0)1628 779031  Mobile: +44
(0)7720 061308
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In message <vJ8J$uEJjjQ7EwAJ@...>, Stephen Agar
<stephen@...> writes
>In message <LAW2-F72Xx4XFKpRcTC0000ce74@...>, Nick Parish
><nick_parish@...> writes
>>We should definitely keep it open.  It doesn't cost anything, and messages
>>go up every now and again.  So why kill it?  It may not generate masses of
>>discussion, but useful things come up every now and again.  I don't
>>understand your desire to kill it off, Stephen.
>>
>>Nick
>
>If something is more or less moribund I don't understand a desire to
>keep it. However, I agree it costs nothing.

That's right Steve, but it's still an opening for communication...

Tom
--
Tom Tweedy
Diplomacy 2000: http://www.dip2000.org.uk
Fax [only in emergency] +44 (0)1494 581276

Keep the list!

So what if it isn't heavily used - it's still a useful tool to enable
APBMers to give information of interest to all, and to ask questions or
instigate discussions pertinent to the community in general.

As for the "internet migration" comment, one should bear in mind that many
people still insist on a printed zine (for example quite a few whinged that
the excellent Psycopath was electronic only - personally I don't care as
long as zines remain zines as we know and love them - put together as
"little magazines" with the "personal touch").

Richard

P.S. I just remembered I was going to ask about Mission From God. What's the
latest ETA? Are more reviews needed?

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Agar <stephen@...>
To: UKPBM Mailing List <ukpbm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: [ukpbm] Shall We Delete This List?


>
> As the list owner I was wondering whether the time hasn't come to put
> this list to bed?
>
> Discussion is at a minimum and the pbm hobby has almost completely
> migrated to the Internet.
>
> Any views?
>
> --
> Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
> http://www.diplomacy-archive.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

07/07/2001 00:10:10, "Richard Smith" <richard@...> wrote:

>
>P.S. I just remembered I was going to ask about Mission From God. What's the
>latest ETA? Are more reviews needed?
>

What do you mean "more" reviews? "Some" reviews would be nice.

I'm going to twist some arms at ManorCon to get some reviews.

Regards


John

In message <0d7984719091171PCOW029M@...>, John Harrington
<johnh@...> writes
>07/07/2001 00:10:10, "Richard Smith" <richard@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>P.S. I just remembered I was going to ask about Mission From God. What's the
>>latest ETA? Are more reviews needed?
>>
>
>What do you mean "more" reviews? "Some" reviews would be nice.
>

Feel free to use recent reviews from Armistice Day.

Regards

--
Stephen Agar, Brighton, UK
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com

18/07/2001 00:41:37, Stephen Agar <stephen@...> wrote:

>In message <0d7984719091171PCOW029M@...>, John Harrington
><johnh@...> writes
>
>Feel free to use recent reviews from Armistice Day.
>


Steve,


Many thanks.  I presume they are on a web site somewhere.  I suppose I could
look for it on Google but I am lazy.

Will you be at ManorCon?  Will I be able to pick up a sample copy of Armistice
Day there for the Zine Bank?

Who else is going to ManorCon?


Regards


John Harrington
Fiendish Board Games - makers of games in the German style.
Breaking Away, Office Politics and Traffic Lights.

I should write you some reviews too.... but not until I get back
from ManorCon/World DipCon.  Hope to meet/see many of you one
place or the other!!

Jim Burgess

John

I thought you were on my mailing list? If not - sorry about that, I will
send you the back issues.

Stephen

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Harrington" <johnh@...>
To: <ukpbm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ukpbm] Shall We Delete This List?


> 18/07/2001 00:41:37, Stephen Agar <stephen@...> wrote:
>
> >In message <0d7984719091171PCOW029M@...>, John Harrington
> ><johnh@...> writes
> >
> >Feel free to use recent reviews from Armistice Day.
> >
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
> Many thanks.  I presume they are on a web site somewhere.  I suppose I
could look for it on Google but I am lazy.
>
> Will you be at ManorCon?  Will I be able to pick up a sample copy of
Armistice Day there for the Zine Bank?
>
> Who else is going to ManorCon?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> John Harrington
> Fiendish Board Games - makers of games in the German style.
> Breaking Away, Office Politics and Traffic Lights.
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Plugtime chaps!

En Garde games are pretty thin on the ground these days, but I am happy to
report that a new game is starting in Variable Pig. This is replacing Jim
Reader's old game which, I'm reliably informed started in 1642 (oh alright
then 1985). Roy Arnold, a long time player in Sun King and Small Furry
Undergrads is the GM, and he's got lots of new ideas to liven things up. The
following is copied from Variable Pig 78 (VP is free, though players are
encourged to donate a few stamps).


En Garde! 2  - GAMESTART August 1789
"What If - The French Revolution Failed?"

Two weeks have passed since M de Launay led a band of dissidents to storm
the Bastille. It did not take the King's forces to apprehend M de Launay and
the following week saw the much-expected trial of this much-hated enemy of
The State. The verdict was a bit of a foregone conclusion as it was an
overwhelming case for the prosecution. M de Launay was therefore convicted
on many counts of treason and will be taken to a place of public execution
in Week 4 of August. To celebrate this the King will be hosting a party at
his expense to which all citizens of Paris and their mistresses are most
welcome.

This is the new game of En Garde!, which is running as a subzine within
Variable Pig http://fp.sholing.f9.co.uk/Pig.htm. To join please contact the
Subzine Editor (Roy Arnold) - ROY ARNOLD, Flat 3, 28, SPRING HILL,
CROOKESMOOR, SHEFFIELD, S10 1ET
       Email: arnie@...

Details of game information available between zine turnaround periods
including new characters can be found at
http://homepages.shu.ac.uk/~rcarnold/vpeg.html .

There is a new game on the market. JRSfootball ran by me and my
brother if you would like to join come and visit our website. it is
not finished yet but it is sure to stick. copy and paste this in your
browser. http://www.geocities.com/jrspbem/jrsfootball.html
Tell us what you think about the website and how I can improve it.

                 From
                     James Scotcher & Richard Scotcher.

PS.... WE NEED MORE MANAGERS... PLEASE

I thought the following "tongue-in-cheek" comment from silica.com might
amuse you:

> And don't worry about spending hours online, because now it's
> official: playing computer games is good for you.
>
> A couple of academics have discovered that games players
> share similar levels of concentration, involvement and
> enjoyment in their hobby of choice as top athletes do in
> their line of work.
>
> In terms of abilities such as "balancing skill with
> challenge, transformation of time and clarity of goals,
> computer gaming requires similar psychological qualities to
> that of other leisure activities", their report states.
>
> (What's transformation of time though? Is that when you mean
> to go to bed at midnight and suddenly find it's 5am and
> you're still playing Doom?)
>
> Gamers spend about 18 hours a week twitching in front of a
> screen, and devote similar amounts of time to reading, doing
> sport and socialising.
>
> The boffins reckon the notion that gaming leads to reduced
> participation in other leisure activities, particularly those
> with significant social or psychological aspects, is nonsense.
>
> Certainly true in my case. When I was a lad, my parents
> bought me a Dragon 32. The games were rubbish, so I had to
> walk round to my mate Dave's house and play on his Spectrum.
> See: physical activity, socialising and gaming, all in one. Magic.
>
> Then we got bored and went outside instead...
>
> See http://www.elspa.com if you want more pro-gaming rhetoric.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Mind Sports Olympiad

Date: Friday, August 17, 2001
Time: All Day

Large games convention at Alexandra Palace, London.

Send flyers to Mark Stretch for distribution to players there
about the postal games hobby.

The Diplomacy is on Sunday 19 August, and is being run by Stephen Agar and
myself.  Kick-off is at 11am.  If you need any more information, let me
know.

Nick

nick_parish@...

----Original Message Follows----
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To: ukpbm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ukpbm] Digest Number 297
Date: 3 Aug 2001 07:23:44 -0000

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Message: 1
     Date: 2 Aug 2001 23:02:00 -0000
     From: ukpbm@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Reminder - Mind Sports Olympiad


We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Mind Sports Olympiad

Date: Friday, August 17, 2001
Time: All Day

Large games convention at Alexandra Palace, London.

Send flyers to Mark Stretch for distribution to players there
about the postal games hobby.








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