>From: GrimJack808 - view profile
>Date: Wed, Dec 20 2006 11:48 am
>Email: "GrimJack808" <grimjack...@...>
>Groups: alt.fan.john-turmel, rec.gambling.poker,
can.politics, alt.conspiracy

GJ: Well your post got me curious, and since you provide
your system free from your link, I took a look at it.
Are there people on this usegroup that actually use such a
formulaic way to play Hold'Em?

JCT: I do and my students do but there are under 100 people
in the world who can determine the overlay/underlay cut
point this precisely this fast. So it means all the others
are at a disadvantage.

GJ: How does reading the player fit in with this method of
playing, or do you simply ignore it?

JCT: This is pure math. With 11 bets in the pot, my 4-out
inside straight draw is an overlay whether my opponent is an
idiot or a pro. You'd be surprised how many decisions are
made based only on this pure math consideration. Mainly
because one or two more bets in implied odds hardly affects
the question.

GJ: This is the first time I have seen such a system fro
Hold'Em

JCT: There is only one. Inventing it is my claim to poker
systems engineering fame.

GJ: (Although I haven't been looking very hard). I have seen
such systems for Omaha and Stud. Just Wondering

JCT: The Turmel2Step works for all games. A gut straight
draw needs 10:1 in Holdem, Omaha and Stud.

Until the majority learn how to use it, it will give its
practitioners an advantage over those who do not use it just
as early bridge players using Goren's formulaic point count
had an advantage for a while over those who didn't use it
too. Until they wise up.

Over my last 18 years of play, I was earning 3.5 bets per
hour while the best limit players were claiming top earnings
of 2 bets (1 Big Bet) per hour, 75% better than the best! So
I estimate that precisely determining your overlay/underlay
cut points is worth almost 1.5 bets, 0.75 Big Bet, per hour.

To me, if I presume the same professional standard win rate
based on skill of 2 bets per hour. Add 1.5 bets to my win
rate to get to my 3.5 bets per hour average over those first
15 years after I first engineered and started using my
Turmel2Step (1989). My rake-free tip-free win rate was
actually 4.9 bets per hour before the 1.4 bet deductions. Do
you think I've claimed 3.5 bets an hour in a 40-hand an hour
game after deduction of a 1 bet per hour rake and 0.4 bets
per hour in tips is the highest win rate in the world on
rec.gambling.poker as a joke? I'm already in the Guinness
Book of Records (for being the world biggest loser too) with
several other records as yet not acknowledged.
EG: Biggest underground gaming house bust (28 tables).
Most Supreme Court appearances by non-lawyer.
Lots of "mosts."
Best world-wide interest-free time-based banking system.

Knowing my interest-free United Nations International-Local
Employment Trading Software for banking (UNILETS in the
Millennium Declaration) will save the planet from
exponential debt slavery, I have no doubt that posterity's
children will judge the most elegant tool I have ever
engineered to be the one they're all using to rate their
poker hands in the heat of poker battle as surely as they'll
find the most elegant tool Charles Goren ever engineered is
the one they're still all will be using to rate their hands
in bridge.

So in the 15 years I've been bragging the highest win rate
in the world, no one's ever claimed a higher rate. How could
they? My Turmel2Step lets me ride the razor's edge,
squeezing out every smallest win possible and avoiding every
smallest loss while the rest of the world can't yet deal
with such small numbers. But at dozens of decisions an hour,
it adds up to a world record.

Of course, if one of my students made the claim that they'd
been average 3.6 bets over 3 or 4 years, that I would take
seriously but until you can tip-toe through the 1% decisions
as easily as you step through the larger decisions, you
can't be squeezing out the max.

And almost 10% of the hands are the more complicated 1-card
4-flush situations. The only way to check if you know what
you're doing is to have the answer right there as you
exercise. Save up these 16-hand exercises and in 750 days,
you'll have them all.

Sure, you do get 40 Turn and 40 Flop boards per hour to
exercise on now but do you know if you got the right answer?
That's the advantage of my having done the exercise book to
practice all combinations.

Now I can now proudly unveil the product of my poker systems
engineering genius and everyone who learns it has to
appreciate its simple elegance. So maybe then they'll vote
for me to get us all accounts for interest-free loans of
government chips via Bank of Government software. Like A Taj
Mahal account. No interest.

It still takes my breath away that finding the win/lose cut
point for even such difficult hands can be reduced down to
such a simple algorithm (series of steps) and that I got to
put my name on the 2-step dance that'll be done by all good
players from now on.

>>
Step 1) Count pot bets for outs needed to chase:
Odds: 45 22 14 10 8 7 6 5 4 3+ 3+ 3 2+ 2+ 2 offered by pot
Outs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 needed to call

Step 2) Count outs to "Call Overlays, Fold Underlays."
Draw: 4FL 4S2 4S1 TRS PRK PR2 OC1 PRP 3FL 3ST
Turn: 9-1 8 4 10 5 4 3 2 0 0 outs on Turn
Flop: 9-1 8 4 8 5 4 3 2 2-0 1 outs on Flop

Boss 1-card 0-overgap 4-flush is 99(999) outs vs 1-5 oppts.
1-overgap 88(776); 2-overgaps 87(655); 3-overgaps 76(544);
4&5-overgaps and 4&5-undergaps 75(432);
3&2-undergaps 64(321); 1&0-undergaps 53(211).
Non-boss 1-card 3-flush is 1 out except for the bottom five
ranks against 3 or more opponents which are worth 0 outs.
Demote all draws by 1 rank if no Ace is on board.
<<

JCT: 14 lines! Don't tell me that isn't elegant poker
systems engineering! You should see my other Poker Power
Tools.

A prototype of the Board Threat tool I invented with the
turmel2stepc class over the past few years has also been
included in my book. You know that if you're chasing with 4
outs, the Outs-Odds Array in Poker Power Tool #1 says you
need 10 bets in the pot. But if there's a high pair on the
flop, your aces are beaten when he has one of two trip cards
in his first card or in his second card. So 4 outs of danger
uses the same Poker Power Tool #1 to know that it is 10:1
against opponent having hit the trip!

A 4-straight on board has 8+8 outs of danger, 2:1 against.

A set on board has 1+1 outs of danger, 22:1 against!

Neat how it all fits together. Engineering elegance. Aaahhh.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics