It has been brought to my attention that some people actually thought
"llama llama duck" is my memorization method.  Just to clarify, that
was a joke.  To understand this joke, check out the link:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php

Yeah... sorry for the confusion.  Don't use the llama method.

Tyson Mao
Astrophysics '06
California Institute of Technology

Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip
four edges?  I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more
than two setups moves, or more than three, etc...

Tyson Mao
Astrophysics '06
California Institute of Technology

Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles?  I remember
Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do you
the same with edge orientation?

Tyson Mao
Astrophysics '06
California Institute of Technology

You had better go to bed!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...>
To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: [Speed cubing group] edge-orientation generator


> Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles?  I remember
> Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do you
> the same with edge orientation?
>
> Tyson Mao
> Astrophysics '06
> California Institute of Technology
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yeah, I get that a lot... especially from Dave Jones when I respond to
his e-mails at 4 AM Pacific Standard Time.

Tyson Mao
Astrophysics '06
California Institute of Technology

On Mar 1, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Rune Wesström wrote:

> You had better go to bed!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...>
> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:49 AM
> Subject: [Speed cubing group] edge-orientation generator
>
>
>> Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles?  I remember
>> Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do
>> you
>> the same with edge orientation?
>>
>> Tyson Mao
>> Astrophysics '06
>> California Institute of Technology
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Overall, they are nice programs.  However, it feels
like it is too dark.  I even tried to make the pieces
white but it come out too pale.

You can rotate the whole cube, but you can't hold onto
individual layers like at
http://www.math.uu.nl/people/beukers/rubik/rubik.html

--- elmausselly <elmausselly@...> wrote:

> hi guys..i just found this site
>
> www.fluteys.com
>
> they have a version of the rubik's cube , and also a
> really nice
> rubik's snake, which lets you play witha  virtual
> snake with unlimited
> number of pieces...please try it guys..
>
> u can also save and load the snake..ithe ability to
> have any number of
> pieces made me be able to make really big designs
>
>
>
> shady el mously
>
>
>
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hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special alg for that,
I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2

   Pedro

Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu:
   Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip
four edges?  I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more
than two setups moves, or more than three, etc...

Tyson Mao
Astrophysics '06
California Institute of Technology



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Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] virtual version of the rubik snake


> Overall, they are nice programs.  However, it feels
> like it is too dark.  I even tried to make the pieces
> white but it come out too pale.
>
> You can rotate the whole cube, but you can't hold onto
> individual layers like at
> http://www.math.uu.nl/people/beukers/rubik/rubik.html
>
Is it difficult to implement slice moves?
> --- elmausselly <elmausselly@...> wrote:
>
> > hi guys..i just found this site
> >
> > www.fluteys.com
> >
> > they have a version of the rubik's cube , and also a
> > really nice
> > rubik's snake, which lets you play witha  virtual
> > snake with unlimited
> > number of pieces...please try it guys..
> >
> > u can also save and load the snake..ithe ability to
> > have any number of
> > pieces made me be able to make really big designs
> >
> >
> >
> > shady el mously
> >
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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro
<pedrosino1@...> wrote:
>
> hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special
alg for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2
>
>   Pedro
>
> Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu:
>   Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to
flip
> four edges?  I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires
more
> than two setups moves, or more than three, etc...
>
> Tyson Mao
> Astrophysics '06
> California Institute of Technology
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Hi Chris and Chris,

That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make
the Chris-venture to Tennechris.  If any other Chris's decide to go,
we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track.
I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring
Tournament.

-Chris (Parlette)

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Yes!  All events except blindfolded.  Haven't tackled that one yet.
> Look forward to seeing you there.
>
> Chris
>
>
> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I am I am!
> >
> > Are you going Chris?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley
> > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone else here attending this event?
> > >
> > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
>

Hey! That's a good one...and you haven't tackled BLD yet...hehe

   Pedro

christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu:
   (L' F' L) (M' U)4 (L' F L)

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro
<pedrosino1@...> wrote:
>
> hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special
alg for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2
>
>   Pedro
>
> Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu:
>   Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to
flip
> four edges?  I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires
more
> than two setups moves, or more than three, etc...
>
> Tyson Mao
> Astrophysics '06
> California Institute of Technology
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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons
<beamfreak314@...> wrote:
>
> Can you tell how many moves he usually needs (and how
> he counts)?
>
> Cheers!
> Stefan
>
> ok i talked to him today,
> his best so far is 68 moves.
> he counts in his head, or on paper.
>
> -kyle simons

Ok, thanks. I guess I should've been more clear what I meant about how
he's counting. I meant for example whether he counts R2 as one or two
moves. But with 68, it doesn't matter much, sorry to say this but it's
very long :-).

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...>
wrote:
>
> I have yet to see anyone produce
> this kind of knowledge regarding blindfold cubing... except for
maybe
> Stefan.  Stefan's just holding back because he doesn't want to make
me
> feel bad.

Yeah, that's the real reason. My absolute complete laziness is just a
fake excuse I made up.

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...>
wrote:
>
> I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and
> years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It
> doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position.

Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can memorize
a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess
situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give
them *random* boards they're not any better than other people (oh
well, probably better than the dumbo on the street who doesn't even
know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're dealing with *random*
cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters memorizing a
meaningful chess situation.

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...>
wrote:
>
> Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip
> four edges?  I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires
more
> than two setups moves, or more than three, etc...

To answer this, we must know some more:

- You mean pure flip (like in BLD) or maybe OLL cases?
- What algs do you know? With 2048 algs you never need setup moves.

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...>
wrote:
>
> Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles?  I remember
> Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do
you
> the same with edge orientation?

Yes, you can tell my scrambler to turn each of the four things (you
know what I mean) on and off. Here are its example scrambles for edge
orientation:

http://tinyurl.com/kdbjh

Cheers!
Stefan

Actually the Chattahoochee (March 11) one is in Georgia.  The
Tennessee one is in April.  Hope you can make it, the more Chris's
the better :)

Chris


--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette"
<cparlett@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris and Chris,
>
> That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can
make
> the Chris-venture to Tennechris.  If any other Chris's decide to
go,
> we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track.
> I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring
> Tournament.
>
> -Chris (Parlette)
>
> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes!  All events except blindfolded.  Haven't tackled that one
yet.
> > Look forward to seeing you there.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw
> > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am I am!
> > >
> > > Are you going Chris?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com,
christopher_pelley
> > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else here attending this event?
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...>
wrote:
>
> hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special alg
for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2
>
>   Pedro

With two setup moves:
(f M) (R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) (M' f')

However, "my alg" fits better into your set moves:
D2 F2 R2 (R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2
= D2 (R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann"
<pochmann@...> wrote:
>
> However, "my alg" fits better into your set moves:
> D2 F2 R2 (R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2
> = D2 (R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2

Umh, better write it like this:
D2 (R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U R2 F2) D2

Hey, nice "new" 4-flipper in there. Too bad it's quite slow :-)

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann"
<pochmann@...> wrote:
>
> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent
and
> > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It
> > doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position.
>
> Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can
memorize
> a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess
> situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give
> them *random* boards they're not any better than other people (oh
> well, probably better than the dumbo on the street who doesn't even
> know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're dealing with *random*
> cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters memorizing a
> meaningful chess situation.
>
> Cheers!
> Stefan
>

I don't know where I read this first, but now Google quickly found
this:
http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/learn/html/e.8.1.html

Quote:
"[...] human chess masters are far more accurate than non-chess
players at remembering chess board positions taken from real games,
where the placement of pieces arose in strategic play and represented
meaningful tactical positions. However, these masters were no better
than non-chess players at memorizing random arrangements of pieces."

Cheers!
Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm reminded of how chess masters can be shown a complex chess
> position for a fraction of a second, and remember it exactly.

Do you remember a place where I could read about these results? The
research I've found so far allowed 3-5 seconds to look at the board,
then they looked how much the players remembered. And not even the
grand masters remembered the whole board exactly. So that's quite a
different result.

Here's two pages I've found describing results of studies of Chase and
Simon as well as of de Groot (search for "random" inside the pages):

http://www.psy.fsu.edu/faculty/ericsson/ericsson.mem.exp.html
http://jeays.net/files/psychchess.htm

Cheers!
Stefan

What do you mean by a "random" board? A board  with e.g. three kings and five
bishops on it? In other case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious
problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the board. Don´t you think a chess
master would catch this position in less than, say 20 seconds?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...>
To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video


> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and
> > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It
> > doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position.
>
> Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can memorize
> a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess
> situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give
> them *random* boards they're not any better than other people (oh
> well, probably better than the dumbo on the street who doesn't even
> know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're dealing with *random*
> cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters memorizing a
> meaningful chess situation.
>
> Cheers!
> Stefan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey Chris,

lol this made me crackup.  I was just picturing a scene where every
solver at a timer was a Chris with a jersey on with our last names,
and people in the audience shouting "Go Chris!!"

:-)

And yes definitely, you should come!  I agree with Chris Pelley, the
more Chris's the better!

Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette"
<cparlett@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris and Chris,
>
> That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make
> the Chris-venture to Tennechris.  If any other Chris's decide to go,
> we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track.
> I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring
> Tournament.
>
> -Chris (Parlette)

1) 3 kings isn't a random chess position... it's an
impossible/illegal chess position
2) weird legal things aren't that hard to come up
with, but are hard to memorize because they don't make
sense. for example let's say I can take your queen
with my bisschop, instead I put my knight in front of
your rook... it's a legal move, but it doesn't make
sense (and thus let's call it random), so it's much
harder to memorize...

just my 2 cents, euro's, whatever
sander

--- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote:

> What do you mean by a "random" board? A board  with
> e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other
> case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious
> problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the
> board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch
> this position in less than, say 20 seconds?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...>
> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video
>
>
> > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com,
> Lars Petrus <lars@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with
> a lot of talent and
> > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing
> with a 3x3x3. It
> > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a
> chess position.
> >
> > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess
> players can memorize
> > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for
> *real* chess
> > situations coming from a *real* game that makes
> sense. If you give
> > them *random* boards they're not any better than
> other people (oh
> > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street
> who doesn't even
> > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're
> dealing with *random*
> > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters
> memorizing a
> > meaningful chess situation.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Hi,
I just got my mefferts megaminx, since there are so few on ebay, I
bought there one. The problem is, that when I turn left, the center
piece acts like a screw drive and the screw is coming out! I could of
course try to solve it by only turning right (clockwise), but that is
not good of course. Stefan, you're an expert, maybe you can help? I
registered for megaminx at GCD, but now I can't even learn it :(
If the crew would be glued to the core, I think it could turn good,
but maybe I glue the center too...
Help!

And what tells you that a "random board"  must reflect a legal chess position?
----- Original Message -----
From: "sander hendrickx" <sanderhendrickx@...>
To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video


> 1) 3 kings isn't a random chess position... it's an
> impossible/illegal chess position
> 2) weird legal things aren't that hard to come up
> with, but are hard to memorize because they don't make
> sense. for example let's say I can take your queen
> with my bisschop, instead I put my knight in front of
> your rook... it's a legal move, but it doesn't make
> sense (and thus let's call it random), so it's much
> harder to memorize...
>
> just my 2 cents, euro's, whatever
> sander
>
> --- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean by a "random" board? A board  with
> > e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other
> > case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious
> > problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the
> > board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch
> > this position in less than, say 20 seconds?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...>
> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video
> >
> >
> > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com,
> > Lars Petrus <lars@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with
> > a lot of talent and
> > > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing
> > with a 3x3x3. It
> > > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a
> > chess position.
> > >
> > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess
> > players can memorize
> > > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for
> > *real* chess
> > > situations coming from a *real* game that makes
> > sense. If you give
> > > them *random* boards they're not any better than
> > other people (oh
> > > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street
> > who doesn't even
> > > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're
> > dealing with *random*
> > > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters
> > memorizing a
> > > meaningful chess situation.
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > >
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--- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote:

> And what tells you that a "random board"  must
> reflect a legal chess position?

well when you talk about a random cube,
you don't include cubes with 20 blue
and 13 yellow stickers either...
so why include chessboards with 3 kings?
it just seemed logical :-)

but i'll go read the articles stefan linked
now. maybe they specify it in there...

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Hi all,

I play blindfold chess and am now working on blindfold cubing.  I've
made my own connection with it;  For EP, I memorize edges as a
combination of numbers and letters.  I now have it split A-F and 1-6.

If I run into a position that has:  D4F3 in sequence, I'm able to
visualize a chess position.  Obviously this doesn't work with every
combination of letters/numbers, but my comfort with bld chess helps
in certain situations.  I know this probably wasn't the direction the
thread was going, but it works for me because it has personal appeal.

I also used to be a huge basketball fan, so certain combinations of
numbers become useful.  (i.e. 23=Jordan, 45=Jordan's return,
21=Duncan, etc, etc.)

As previously mentioned, I'm new to bld cubing, but the above
mentioned strategies has helped with getting my EP under control.

Thanks to Tyson for encouraging me to divvy up the solution.  A bit
more work with EP and CP and I'll get a successful solve in.
(hopefully)

Happy cubing and stay friendly

-Richard
--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström
<rune.wesstrom@...> wrote:
>
> And what tells you that a "random board"  must reflect a legal
chess position?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sander hendrickx" <sanderhendrickx@...>
> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video
>
>
> > 1) 3 kings isn't a random chess position... it's an
> > impossible/illegal chess position
> > 2) weird legal things aren't that hard to come up
> > with, but are hard to memorize because they don't make
> > sense. for example let's say I can take your queen
> > with my bisschop, instead I put my knight in front of
> > your rook... it's a legal move, but it doesn't make
> > sense (and thus let's call it random), so it's much
> > harder to memorize...
> >
> > just my 2 cents, euro's, whatever
> > sander
> >
> > --- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote:
> >
> > > What do you mean by a "random" board? A board  with
> > > e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other
> > > case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious
> > > problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the
> > > board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch
> > > this position in less than, say 20 seconds?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...>
> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Lars Petrus <lars@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with
> > > a lot of talent and
> > > > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing
> > > with a 3x3x3. It
> > > > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a
> > > chess position.
> > > >
> > > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess
> > > players can memorize
> > > > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for
> > > *real* chess
> > > > situations coming from a *real* game that makes
> > > sense. If you give
> > > > them *random* boards they're not any better than
> > > other people (oh
> > > > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street
> > > who doesn't even
> > > > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're
> > > dealing with *random*
> > > > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters
> > > memorizing a
> > > > meaningful chess situation.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > > Stefan
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I think you can put a couple drops of superglue in the screw hole
before you screw it in, and it should be ok.

How old are you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "sander hendrickx" <sanderhendrickx@...>
To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video


> --- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote:
>
> > And what tells you that a "random board"  must
> > reflect a legal chess position?
>
> well when you talk about a random cube,
> you don't include cubes with 20 blue
> and 13 yellow stickers either...
> so why include chessboards with 3 kings?
> it just seemed logical :-)
>
> but i'll go read the articles stefan linked
> now. maybe they specify it in there...
>
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