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i would like to (once again) publicly denounce the ridiculous ideas of closed
competitions. i've always been opposed to closed tournaments of any kind, but
this time its a little more personal as i will most likely be very close to
where the competition is at that time, and can't believe how ridiculous it is i
probably won't be able to compete. i believe bob has suffered from this more
than anyone as he was actually at a tournament in holland and couldn't compete.

in the usa, we allow all people of any country to compete, even in our usa
championships. jon morris was 2004 usa champion but macky actually won the
competition, what's wrong with this idea being adopted for all competitions. if
you have some silly area of dirt you'd like a title over, be my guest, but to
not even allow others to compete is horrible, and i can't think of one good
reason for this to be how any tournament is run.

in all fairness i should have raised more of an issue about this when the rules
were drafted for 2008, but to be honest i'm not sure that would do any good as
this is an old concern that many have voiced their opinion about. does anyone
else feel that closed tournaments of any kind should be banned under wca
guidelines?



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i would like to (once again) publicly denounce the ridiculous ideas of closed competitions. i've always been opposed to closed tournaments of any kind, but...
Clancy Cochran
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I agree with this. We will start closing tournaments in the United States. Competitions will be open to citizens of North and South America, and other select...
Tyson Mao
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May 12, 2008
8:40 pm

Why not just restrict it to members of a certain organization? The only membership requirement is that you don't live somewhere that has closed competitions....
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May 12, 2008
9:43 pm

Because if you do that, we'll hold competitions that only allow people from the "Adam Zamora" club. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:42 PM, bryanlogancube...
Tyson Mao
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May 12, 2008
9:44 pm

Hi Clancy, I personally like competitions where people compete for national or continental championships. Technically these do not need to be closed...
Ron van Bruchem
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May 12, 2008
8:51 pm

I just checked the number of competitors per continent in some recent large open competitions. You can see that by far the majority of competitors comes from...
Stefan Pochmann
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May 13, 2008
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Stefan Pochmann <stefan.pochmann@...> escreveu: I just checked the number of competitors per continent in some recent large...
Pedro
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May 13, 2008
7:39 pm

Ron and Clancy, There are understandable points to both of your arguments. I understand that there is something alluring about having a "National ...
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May 18, 2008
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thanks for your opinion, i agree with almost everything you said, minus a few....such that the only way to have a national championship is to exclude...
Clancy Cochran
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Has there been any talk of action regarding this? On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Clancy Cochran < ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Tyson Mao
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May 19, 2008
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mostly just the wind coming out of my mouth :) ron said ' We hope to open registration for Euro 2008 soon. Maybe we have room enough for non Euro cubers.'...
Clancy Cochran
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May 19, 2008
9:14 pm

But right, as stated, that's really a silly reason. The number of foreign competitors will be small. And a foreign competitor who signs up months in advance...
Tyson Mao
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May 19, 2008
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Hi Clancy, Oh, I forgot to mention that you may dislike the situation, but I think it is not 'ridiculous'. We are no different from any other sports and...
Ron van Bruchem
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May 12, 2008
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Just because another sport is being elitist doesn't mean we have to follow. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...> ... ...
Tyson Mao
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May 12, 2008
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I don't support flat-out banning closed competitions. I don't like them, but others do, particularly I think people in small countries want national...
Stefan Pochmann
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May 12, 2008
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Hi Stefan, I hope you can. Because otherwise, it might seem that Shelley is going to win first place in the Stefan Pochmann competition. -Tyson On Mon, May...
Tyson Mao
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May 12, 2008
9:43 pm

... Intriguing. I don't think I can let that happen. Cheers! Stefan...
Stefan Pochmann
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May 13, 2008
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Wouldn't a small country with a weak cubing population really want to see some top level cubers? The top cubers don't have to win prizes. We did this in July...
Tyson Mao
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May 12, 2008
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So now are we gonna start banning foreigners from competitions held in the US? I dont think that is fair if they came all the way to not be allowed. -shafiq ...
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May 12, 2008
9:48 pm

Isn't it even more unfair that someone lives in the United States but only has a green card? And another thing in response to the comparison with other sports....
Tyson Mao
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May 12, 2008
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Wait, you guys don't all have corporate sponsorship? Endorsement deals? Nothing? ... but only ... In other ... this for ... Closed ... ...
Adam P. Larsen
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May 13, 2008
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Huh? No one has corporate sponsorship... not in order to compete. Sometimes a company will hire a cuber to work at an event, but no one gets paid money to...
Tyson Mao
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May 13, 2008
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I think he was being facetious. ... one gets ... one or two...
Eric Brunson
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May 13, 2008
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I have an endorsement deal going with cubewhiz.com. The owner of that website pays me $500 per competition just to rock his logos on my cubes. Bob ... held ...
Bob Burton
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May 13, 2008
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... that ... cubes. ... What? I'm gonna contact that guy. I'd do it for half that amount. And I'm faster. Cheers! Stefan...
Stefan Pochmann
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May 13, 2008
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I'd like to point to the three competitions I've delegated in China. In each one nearly every event was dominated by 'foreigners'. Though some people were a...
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May 13, 2008
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The Swedish Championships this year will be open, as it always has been, even if we have an internal discussion about pro and cons regarding closed...
Anders Larsson
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May 13, 2008
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Just hold piñata is an event, and the world will have no choice but to surrender. (such an in-joke... unless you've seen the video) On Tue, May 13, 2008 at...
Tyson Mao
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May 13, 2008
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as i said if someone has some piece of dirt they want to be 'king cuber' over for a while so be it. i think all people should be allowed to compete regardless...
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