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Hey!

Well then im one of those weird cubers :D I do centers last on the
4x4x4 and 5x5x5. And as u can see from the unofficial world records
im quite fast with it too ;-) The benefit of doing centers last (for
me anyway) is that the rest of the solve speeds up. Doing the
centers on the last 5 faces last is a bit slower than doing centers
first. But at least by now the rest of the cube is solves and u have
easier recognition. Easy recognition is the way to success on the
larger cubes. many (including me) find that pairing up is too
awkward since ur only ppoint of reference is one (or two) other edge
(s) only. The pairing up stage is what most ppl struggle to speed
up. I know of good cubers who spend more time on the pairing-up
stage than on one of my complete solves. So the normal 3x3x3
reduction "regime" is not the salvation for everyone :-)

I would call my method the cage method. It's somewhat similar to
columns first method.

First layer (top)
Middle layers edges (hold solved layer to the left)
Last layer corners then edges (and parity)
Final centers

Happy cubing !!

-Per

> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort
<joel_vn@y...> wrote:
>
> Centres last? What kind of weird cubers try that?
>
> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux"
> <grrroux@f...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw
> <no_reply@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I just realized something I had never thought of. Winning
moves
> > > doesn't produce true general cubes where the orientations of
the
> > > centers doesn't matter. The white sticker always has a design
> on it,
> > > so in competitions your cube is only solved 1/4 the time, yet
we
> still
> > > consider it solved.
> > >
> > > So we've all been frequently (75% of the time actually)
counting
> cubes
> > > as solved that never were in fact solved. There has been
rampant
> > > cheating in the cubing community for almost 2 years :)
> > >
> > > Perhaps we should memorize which way the design of the white
> sticker
> > > is oriented when we buy our cubes to make sure we don't cheat
> and just
> > > half solve it :)
> > >
> > > And no I'm not serious at all in my claims of cheating. I just
> > > thought it was a funny way to look at things ;-)
> > >
> > > Chris
> >
> > Logos on stickers should be forbidden in competitions. At least,
it
> > can help "centers-last" cubers locate pieces faster.
> > And yes, I'm serious. ;-)
> >
> > Gilles.






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I just realized something I had never thought of. Winning moves doesn't produce true general cubes where the orientations of the centers doesn't matter. The...
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... Logos on stickers should be forbidden in competitions. At least, it can help "centers-last" cubers locate pieces faster. And yes, I'm serious. ;-) Gilles....
Gilles Roux
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Centres last? What kind of weird cubers try that? ... <no_reply@y...> ... on it, ... still ... cubes ... sticker ... and just...
Joël van Noort
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Mar 29, 2005
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Hey! Well then im one of those weird cubers :D I do centers last on the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5. And as u can see from the unofficial world records im quite fast with...
Per Kristen Fredlund
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Mar 29, 2005
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Congratulations Per, your times with such a method are impressive! My method is different, it looks a bit like my 3x3x3 technique: - 1x3x4 block on a side -...
Gilles Roux
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Mar 29, 2005
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Hmmm .... Centers on 4 faces. I reckon it should take maybe 20 secs or so. Do u cycle blocks of centers also? Or always just 3-cycling center cubies? U can...
Per Kristen Fredlund
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Mar 29, 2005
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... I know all these sequences and commutators. Yes, practice is the key, that's why I was asking for a video of someone who practiced a lot, to see what it...
Gilles Roux
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Hi Per, Gilles, et al, I also do centers last. I think that there's much greater freedom of movement, and if you learn to spot it you can solve parity with a ...
d_j_salvia
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Mar 30, 2005
8:19 pm

... "half turn"? Don't confuse newbies ;-) They'll trust and misunderstand you and never fix the parity. ... After all this detail (not at all a complaint ;-)...
Stefan Pochmann
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8:26 pm

Hi Stefan, and All, ... Sorry, this should have read "quarter turn." I know that Yahoo is proud of their new page, and I'm glad that so many people complained ...
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... Haha, so that was indeed a mistake? After thinking about it, I thought you had meant turn half of the cube by a quarter turn ;-) ... Did we ever have one?...
Stefan Pochmann
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... Please tell us how many moves are needed to build the cage. I'm a rookie, but my first stats look like: - L-layer: 40 - rl-edges: 40 - R-corners: 10 -...
Gilles Roux
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Hey! Im on my way home now. Short reply only now ... 90-100 moves sounds reasonable. 2 moves/sec and u are at 45/50 secs before the centers. Im nearer to 55...
Per Kristen Fredlund
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Mar 31, 2005
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... it, ... still ... Here's the easy justification: There are more than just one "solved" position. We *are* solving it all the time even though we ignore the...
Stefan Pochmann
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Mar 28, 2005
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At WC2003, there was no rule requiring a logo (at least none that was enforced)....
David Barr
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Mar 28, 2005
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Hrmm... I distinctly remember having to resticker my cube because the logo had worn off. I was told that it was not necessary to resticker the entire cube,...
Bob Burton
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Hey! Well then im one of those weird cubers :D I do centers last on the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5. And as u can see from the unofficial world records im quite fast with...
Michael Zener Riggs G...
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Apr 4, 2005
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... WCA rules say things like: "Competitors can use any normal 6 color sticker scheme for cubes, as long as the cubes show 1 color per face in solved...
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