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http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/113/2

The Silk Road once connected China to the rest of the world. Now,
Chinese researchers propose that silkworms could provide a lifeline
for long missions to outer space by serving as meals for astronauts.






Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:28 pm

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http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/113/2 The Silk Road once connected China to the rest of the world. Now, Chinese researchers propose that...
Winchell Chung
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... Eating bugs which eat plants is less efficient than eating plants directly. Eat beans, not bugs! Isaac Kuo...
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... Well, if it is efficiency you are hell-bent on optimizing for, growing algae is more efficient than growing beans. I think the point was to keep astronauts...
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... I'm not sure. I used to be a big fan of algae and/or cyanobacteria vats. My theory was that you needed large masses of water for radiation shielding...
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ong missions to outer space by serving as meals for astronauts. ... This is only true for useful applications if you have the same digestive capabilities as...
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... Fascinating. This would be useful technology. As to turning the paste into palatable treats, I suspect that technology already exists. I've seen in the...
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... Yeah but I have noticed its not quite as good as the real thing ( at least for bacon) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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... I wonder what good candidate plants would be. Potatoes would be a great staple, because they're easy to process into a wide variety of tasty foods....
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... I think severe peanut allergies are a bit to common for them to be too much of a staple....
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... Yes, pretty much what I was thinking. ... It's not a question of water, it's a question of nutrient output/water output. I have no idea about the...
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... I see. I still think water is an important issue. In the inner solar system, there are plenty of places with lots of sunlight energy--but there are...
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... Photosynthetic microbes are certainly a simpler, and probably more robust technology initially than the technology I outlined earlier. I think that a...
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Obligatory Atomic Rocket link Closed Ecological Life Support Systems http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3g.html#cess...
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G'day, ... Given existing microbial diversity I think you'll find there are existing species with high nutrient content that are also radiation resistant. You...
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... I had thought this was possible, but I didn't want to make assumptions, because my knowledge of microbes is limited to generalities as I'm a protein guy....
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like cholera? ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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... Almost certainly, though you won't be able to avoid an elevated mutation rate (I imagine you'll keep some chilled stock in a well protected area to allow...
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... Water is an important issue, but you can achieve 99+% recycling, and an algae stage can actually help with your recycling....
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... Tank sterilization may even be part of regular maintenance. To maximize sunlight gathering area, you're going to have a lot of window area with a thin...
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... I just had a crazy thought...there are already microbes in the human digestive system. Perhaps we can skip the whole concept of "food" altogether. Step 1:...
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... Laugh. Cute, but the required power level would cook you from the inside out, since you need light at somewhere around 15x your metabolic rate (might get...
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:54:10 +0100, Anthony Jackson <ajackson@...> ... That was my gut feeling as well. Leslie -- (somebody had to ;-))...
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... Now I find myself wondering if you can create electrosynthetic bacteria or plants with a higher efficiency. I doubt there's any naturally known, but given...
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:00:44 +0100, Anthony Jackson <ajackson@...> wrote: [...] ... Photosynthesis has approx. 6% efficiency at converting light energy to ...
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... I was also thinking maybe you need a two step reclamation system. Step one has modern water treatment style microbe tanks to break down the human waste....
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... Particularly considering the fact that darn near every cell in existence harnesses a electrochemical gradient (partly a voltage gradient, partly a...
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G'day, I have got that "bell ringing in the head" thing happening taht they have found examples alreazdy, but can't track done my references to it. I don't...
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... have found examples alreazdy, but can't track done my references to it. I don't think its implausible. Main reason I doubt examples exist is the fact that...
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