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Re: [sfconsim-l] How quick to develop/field space warships?

> From: Isaac Kuo <mechdan@...>
> Not long before that start of the game, the first space
> warships are commissioned specifically to blockade Earth
> from incoming spacecraft by the USA.

USS Freedom's timeline is about a best case for a new category of warship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship
2004: preliminary design
2005: keel was laid down
2006: Launched (i.e. floating in water, as an empty hull)
2008: commissioned

2009 will see some fleet exercises.

So the concept to design process only took one year, but it took another four
years to put everything together and there are still plenty of systems that are
not ready for prime time.

Once there is a working design more ships could be built in around two years in
a pinch.

-HJC






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How quick to develop/field space warships? In the background of my Pax Martiana game, there are: regular robot shipments of LOX/LH2 fuel into Earth orbit ...
Isaac Kuo
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... USS Freedom's timeline is about a best case for a new category of warship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littoral_combat_ship 2004: preliminary design 2005:...
Henry Cobb
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Another data point for "shortest" would be the P-51, which was ordered on 1 May 1940 and first entered combat on 10 May 1942. ...
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A better reference might be the development of WWI fighters from civilian racers and military scout a/c. That represents an adaptation of an early unarmed...
Matthew S. Taylor
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... I can't get complete data but there's typically a 6 month gap between the aircraft's first flight and its introduction into service, even when the new...
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... warship. You mean a worst case! What a horrible, horrible, little program. HMS Dreadnought is a best case--a year and a day. plus another year for...
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... During WWII, both the Americans and British met an urgent need for maritime air cover by converting existing merchant ships into escort carriers. The most...
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... A lot of this depends on the details of your technology, though. Just taking a merchant hull and putting missile racks on it will produce something that's...
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... How can you have large off-world populations and not have a "United States Space Guard"? Even if they never fight anybody they'll still be doing search...
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Coridon Henshaw <coridonhenshaw2@... ... Paging Zoe Brain... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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... Simple, because the Pentagon doesn't want it. In the absense of anyone wanting to spend the time and resources on standing search-and-rescue forces, those...
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... And the shareholders are going to pay for the delta-V usage, diversion from mission? At some point the megacorps are going to scream for government...
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... fragments. Having a closer sensor helps, especially if you want to stick a video camera up against a window to look for signs of life. ... Except that...
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... The more I think about sticking USN ABM/ASAT missiles on a civilian spacecraft, the more it seems problematic. The missiles are designed to live in 1atm,...
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... Oh, the development cycle for the _missiles_ might be considerable, but if you have the missiles, installing them on a craft is not hard. ... If you want...
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... put every missile in an indiviual airtight cocoon at 1 bar .. cut open both ends with line charges a few seconds before firing and pull the front cap out...
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... if you are unlucky the cap will be blown straight ahead - and still be in the missiles way when it blasts out ... thats why i want ot be SURE its out of...
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Makes sense. I was thinking though you need a material that is going to stay Elastic at EXTREMELY cold temps. Unless you are going to warm the bungee cord,...
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Current Generation US ASAT missiles at least, and I imagine most future surface based ASAT missiles, aren't really suitable for exo-atmospheric launch at all....
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The big problem with armed merchies is that they're only expected to survive small scale random hits. They're not expected to keep operating instantly...
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... True, but how significant an issue this is depends on the degree to which any ship can expect to take a hit and keep on going. It's perfectly possible that...
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... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ddg-51-flt1.htm The ships have steel superstructures, aluminum stacks, and the first comprehensive CBR...
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... Indeed not. In fact here Fleet Tactics and Coastal Combat by Wayne P. Hughes ...
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... True, I hadn't really thought about those issues. Still, we're talking about 1.5 centuries from now, so they'll be using different weapon systems. So...
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... If it's got an air-breathing stage, it's almost certainly a two-stage missile, and stage 2 will be able to initiate launch at very low pressure....
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... true, BVut it's still ages more efficient to grab as much oxidizer out of the air as possible rather than dragging all of it along with you. ... altitudes....
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