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#14055 From: "james_ha175" <james_ha175@...>
Date: Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: the Shuttle as the second hit
james_ha175
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don't give them any more ideas

--- In planehuggers@yahoogroups.com, Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...> wrote:
>
> http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120509.html
>
> Imagine if Qaeda had also hijacked the Shuttle, carrying a plane for a
payload, and it was this combination that crashed into the South Tower.
>
> Asleepicans would have gone for it.  So Qaeda didn't merely just destroy an
entire privately-owned building complex--they also attacked the U-S-A at the
same time.
>
> The Globalists would already have their world war and military draft, the
concentration camps would be filled, the crematoriums would be firing away and
Fort Detrich's Plague already released.
>
> Because it was only a Boeing 757 that Qaeda crashed into the ST we will have
to wait a little while before these realities take place.
>

#14056 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Sat May 12, 2012 12:59 am
Subject: tortoise and the hare
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It's a race against time

It is 911 truth vs. the Globalists.
If the Globalists win,
they win big.
world war,
concentration camps,
microchipping,
factory-farmed people.

If 911 truth wins,
wars stop,
conciousness raises,
dialogue begins,
cooperation rises.

Who will win the race?
The Globalists are the Hare,
fast, agile, daring, savvy, sleek.

9/11 truth is the Tortoise,
micro-movements, sloth, lethargic, soporific.

The Hare (i.e., Globalists) have a huge lead on the Tortoise (i.e., us).
It is a foot away from the finish line,
it is focused.

The Tortoise is just starting out.

Did I mention?
The Tortoise is the Frankenstein of the turtle community.

Did I mention?
The Hare is regarded as the Usain Bolt of the rabbit community.

Nevermind what happens in the fable.
We're in the twenty-first century.
Life is cheap today.
Only suckers fail to join the Team.

The public never wants to experience cognitive dissonance.
The winners write history, the present and the future.
The winners are stronger than the public.

The Hare wants to win the race.
The Tortoise couldn't be arsed.

Game, set and match: Perps.

#14057 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Mon May 14, 2012 10:10 pm
Subject: 49 headless bodies in Mexico
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49 headless bodies dumped on highway in Mexico
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/05/13/49-headless-bodies-dumped-outs\
ide-Monterrey-Mexico/UPI-13011336938857/

Qaeda?  Sure doesn't seem to be real drug gang activity.

Is that one way they can kick start martial law?  On one night, dump headless
bodies roadside along major traffic corridors throughout the former US? 
Americans in fifty states wake up the next morning and read about the headless
bodies dumped near them?

Maybe the 49 is significant: A signal.  Maybe 49 days hence tanks will begin
rolling up main street, USA.

Maybe Qaeda will hijack 49 planes on one day in the future.

Maybe Obama will just blame Qaeda for the 49 bodies, declaring martial law in
the process.

...

Has anyone noticed how many rich people are leaving the country?

Michelle Bachmann "ran" for President--she's now a Swiss citizen.  The Facebook
co-founder.

That's just two but I wonder if more aren't leaving as well.

Maybe they don't want to live near where 49 bodies are dumped on a highway. 
Maybe they want to live in the twenty-first century.

Or, maybe this is really the fifteen century but someone counted wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_impaler

#14058 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue May 15, 2012 2:33 am
Subject: ode to Zbikowski
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In the off-season the Balti-more Ravens let my favorite player, Tom Zbikowski,
go to free agency.  Zibi was an undersized, fast free safety who has backed up
Ed Reed for years.  He left for the Colts for a bigger contract than what the
Ravens could offer.

Zbi, as many recall, is also a professional boxer.  He has four or five
professional fights and has won them all (against heavier men).  Only one has
gone the four-round distance.  The other three were ridiculous knockouts that
took place within a minute of the opening bell.

Zbi used to make the claim that he could beat up any other player in the NFL in
the boxing ring.  This is despite the fact that Zbi fights as a cruiser-weight,
and a lot of guys in the NFL weigh as much as one hundred and fifty more pounds
than Zbi does.

(About the only other player who would have a chance against Zbi in the ring is
running back Brian Jacobs.  Jacobs is also a serious boxer and weighs about 35
pounds more than Zbi does.  Because of their weight differential, it is unlikely
the two would ever meet in a real boxing match.)

I never saw Zbi get into any kind of scuffle when he was seeing action.  Too bad
for that.  I wouldn't mind seeing him embarrass an opposing player, just
humiliate by knocking him out with a single punch as a national audience
observes lustfully.

****

I wish I was tough enough that I could knock out heavier guys in sixty seconds. 
Sixty seconds is too much time to be dealing with the dregs of humanity.

I'd like to get up in the morning knowing that if any man messes with me
today--anyone--I'm going to bust him up good.  My fists should be registered
with the BATF.  I'm too fast to touch.  I'm too fast to be stopped.

A parking meter attendant thinks he's giving me a ticket?  One look is all I
need to convey, one moment where I'm tensing my muscles and the prey realizes
he's outmatched.  There will be no parking tickets concerning my car.

Some idiot thinks he's going to beat me out of a parking spot?  I just have to
get out of my car and slowly walk in his direction and that arsehole is going to
get the Hell away.

A pickpocket thinks he's going to keep my wallet?  When I realize my wallet is
gone I'm going to run like the wind to overtake the culprit, then beat him to
the point where bystanders struggle in unison in order to drag me off the
thief's lifeless body.

If I don't get into a fight on a slow day I won't get upset about it in the
evening.  That's because I'm twice as likely to teach some valuable lessons the
next day.

People worry too much about the Golden Rule.  They should worry instead about
the Golden Gloves; and how effective it is to beat someone to the point where
they cannot stand up anymore.  What percentage of contemporary business deals in
this Godforsaken country are concluded similarly?  40%?  Undoubtedly, it is a
high number.

If I suddenly could fight like Zbi--or the king, Pacquaio--I wouldn't be sitting
behind a desk all day.  I'd make my living by visiting strangers whose names are
scrawled on a list, beating up each one and then afterwards telling my boss if
any of them failed to get the message.

I'd beat up every Asleepican who believes in the 9/11 Planes Fairy Tale. 
Unfortunately, there's got to be about 250 million Asleepicans who meet that
criteria.  However, I'm motivated by virtue and I consider it my duty to beat up
every male adult who believes Qaeda pilots parked two Boeings in steel buildings
while the Naudet brothers were shooting the action nearby.

Then I'd beat up anyone who has forgotten about 9/11--probably more than half
the population, I think.

#14059 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Fri May 18, 2012 1:52 am
Subject: NDAA halted; and a glimpse at the future
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Judge blocks NDAA:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/05/16/46550.htm

Don't be fooled.  The roundups, "trials" and swift executions ARE still coming. 
They'll just start doing it when they like.

They don't need a law or an executive order to proceed.  They'll just do
it--anyone who speaks out will be next.

They'll probably start by rounding up 49 truth seekers, dismembering them,
eventually putting the limbless beasts to death, and leaving the headless bodies
strewn about in downtown Manhattan.

New Yorker commuters will not fail to notice the headless bodies but will
quickly look away and resume their texting.

They'll then round up people and random and begin throwing them (bound and
gagged) off the top of the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State Building
during broad daylight.

New Yorkers who notice the bodies will send worried texts to this effect; and as
the texts go back and forth they will forget the initial message and the
threads--once serious--will turn into more light-hearted and humorous banter
between buds.

Failing to get their attention so far, the authorities will begin executing
people at random during the mid-point of halftime of Yankee games.  While the
park's organ plays, hastily constructed scaffolds are erected, condemned people
are led into their respective nooses and finally the floors give way and the
victim is no more.

New Yorkers in their seats will notice the people hanging from the scaffolds. 
Some will think to leave the stadium.

The authorities will immediately announce over the park's PA system that no one
who purchased a ticket that night can go home; that everyone is being sent under
military guard to a local Guantanamo Bay.

The deception continues indefinitely.  On nights the home team is in town,
50,000 people will attend a Yankees game, watch an execution after the fifth
inning and when the game has concluded, discover they will never return to their
families.

That's just for baseball.  Millions of fans of the Rangers, Giants, Jets, Knicks
and Nets will experience the new sports paradigm--executions during major breaks
in play and large-scale disappearances afterwards.

One general characteristic will exist for all the people being systematically
wiped out:  Each will praise the military and deny 9/11 was an inside job with
their dying breaths.

It will be harder to convince people those 9/11 planes were not real than it
would be to recreate the perfidy of the Muslims who hijacked and flew them.

#14060 From: "Ron" <ron_winn@...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2012 12:13 am
Subject: A layman's view of economics
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If our nations are considered to be corporations that can print money and are responsible for the wellbeing of the nation then government bond issues have got to be the most solid investment that you can get.
 
Governments are guaranteed revenue through taxation. They also have the backing of the whole nations productivity. Governments have the power to print money for the benefit of the nations economy.
 
So why do governments have to borrow money and pay compound interest on that money?
 
If money is intended to run the economy of a nation then why is it not accomplishing that aim?
 
Why are governments going into debt?
 
Who is actually receiving that interest and have they actually earned that interest?
 
Are they entitled to be in a position to bunkcrupt a nation who has a power to print money?
 
A government of the people by the people should never go into debt simply because of guaranteed tax revenues. 
 
Corporations who are involved in something tangible rarely go bankcrupt. Governments deal with nothing but tangibles so why should they ever go into debt?
 
The final question. Where is all the money going and are those folk receiving it entitled to it?
 
But one last question. If governments are selling off national resources and outsourcing services to the private sector what tangibles will governments finish up with? Taxation?
 
Will corporate bonds take the place of government bonds in the order of risk and greater rewards?
 
A government by the people for the people should have the nations interests at heart. After all the people are the nation. 
 
 
 
   
 
   

#14061 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Sun May 20, 2012 12:14 am
Subject: I'll Have Another--yes, maybe even more than that
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http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/wins-preakness-triple-16387177

In one of the greatest finishes to the Preakness ever in its storied, 137-year
history, I'll Have Another ran down the lead horse, Bodemeister, with a
last-second thrust, winning by just a neck.

This was virtually the same result as the Derby.  In the Run for the Roses,
Bodemeister had the lead for most of the race only to see I'll Have Another make
a late charge and overtake him, winning by a length and a half.

In today's Preakness stakes the result was closer, more thrilling and brought
out a hearty cheer from the crowd I was with as I'll Have Another fought with
its last stride to win.

The nature of I'll Have Another's wins will make it the prohibitive favorite at
the grueling, 1 1/2 mile-long Belmont Stakes.  All betters will assume that the
extra length of the Belmont will favor the horse that has the most leg at the
end of the first two legs of the Triple Crown.  Little money will be made for
betters trying to have another with this great horse

I'll Have Another now threatens to become the latest Triple Crown winner since
Affirmed accomplished it.  (The I'll Have Another vs. Bodemeister fued is
astonishingly similar to the three close duels between Affirmed and Alydar in
1977.  Affirmed beat his very game rival by the identical margins in the '77
Derby and Preakness that I'll Have Another has beaten Bodemeister by at the same
two races.)

The style with which the I'll Have Another vs. Bodemeister rivalry is shaping up
is thrilling to see.  One is a devout pace-setter.  The other waits until the
last possible moment to find its top gear.  They couldn't be more different.

Please note that my enthusiasm for the outcome of this thrilling race is not
because at the bar where I was viewing the action I happened to pay $5 for the
privilege of pulling a random horse's name out of a hat--and it was I'll Have
Another.  My reporting has nothing to do with my good fortune.

Tonight is a good night for us all to have another--and another on top of that. 
Let's drink until we see the dawn's light.  Let's drink and dance and tell merry
jokes until the Earth's spin brings the sunshine where all before was dark.

This way we can all forget the mad direction our country is being led towards. 
And, don't think for a minute that the 9/11 truth movement is going to come from
behind in order to arrest that situation either.

#14062 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2012 11:36 pm
Subject: Spain faces bank run
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/spai-m21.shtml

"The latest available statistics on bank deposits show that €50 billion euros
have left Spain since January last year. This was announced as the German news
agency DPA reported that almost €900 million was withdrawn by Greek savers on
May 14 alone.

According to data compiled by Thomson Reuters, Greek banks have lost around
€72 billion (30 percent) in deposits since 2010. In Belgium, France and Italy,
depositors have also taken flight from banks..."

my question: How long before this bank run fad reaches the former US?

#14063 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2012 12:57 am
Subject: the globalists have us where they want us
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...Asleepicans still have no clue: The ones with jobs act as carefree as if this
were still the 1950s--only they have the internet and text messaging.  If the
government wants to watch all communications--they're ok with that.  As long as
they can keep on texting everything will be fine.

the rest of us, with seemingly IQs that are greater numerically than absolute
zero, don't know whether they're going to get us by:

1. world-wide bank panics and currency collapses.
2. continent-sized HAARPicanes, HAARPiquakes, "tsunamis", mudslides, etc.
3. making more and more people disappear and/or die of unbelievable
circumstances.
4. arresting us and making us face a military tribunal.
5. introducing Satan bugs/plagues.

This is what happens when the right cartoons are aired at the right time before
a large audience of asleep adults.  (Imagine if Walt Disney himself had produced
the second hit?  The kill-off would be well underway.)

#14064 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2012 12:17 am
Subject: Re: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown
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--- On Sat, 5/26/12, Ray Ubinger <ubinger@...> wrote:

From: Ray Ubinger <ubinger@...>
Subject: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown
To:
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 1:31 PM


I'm sure I reported a very salient quote of hers years ago, in a TV interview, something like "and i remember seeing the footage and there was no wreckage, everything was just gone, and I remember i couldn't believe that because that's now how plane wrecks look."  That was from my duke unix pine email which is not so searchable as gmail, and i've come up empty after 15 minutes' hunting for it.  



#14065 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2012 12:32 am
Subject: peaceful depopulation
scottl44
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the best way to depopulate the planet will be to remove 90% of the men.  Keep
their sperm in depositories, with histories and commentary about their lives. 
However, there's little that men add to society which is needed for the struggle
of all species to exist.  Men bring needless conflict and suffering to all.  A
civilization ruled by women might change that.

Get rid of them.  Imagine cooperation flourishing at last.  Imagine people in
power actually doing something that was of benefit to all.

If women need some sperm, they can peruse the catalogs available at sperm banks.
They can page through each candidate's bio, studying that person's history and
personality characteristics.  When they've made their choice, they can wait a
few minutes and a female attendant will deliver the best strain from the choice
they made.

The only men who will be allowed to exist in this world are the ones who can
assist in writing the software used to choose sperm at the depositories.  In
addition, since women love to laugh and like to read, men who can
write--somewhat humorously--will be kept while the rest are faithfully
dispatched.  Finally, since women in surveys often choose rock stars as their
dream mates, men who are artistic--or regard themselves as such--will be allowed
to endure.

Imagine if there were only three billion people, 90% of whom are women, in
charge of the world.  Some good things might finally get done.

#14066 From: "Ron" <ron_winn@...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2012 9:17 am
Subject: Re: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown
toooldforthis21
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Yeah, but we all have said that.  I also recall that according to her estimate 93 should have been further west at the material time. I assumed she had taken into account any delay in take off because the take off time was known to all of us.
 
So, where is the interview she did that is referred to in this article? 
 
An empty smoking crater in Shanksville can only support a missile fired into the ground or a beam weapon. Holes made in the towers. A hole made in Shanksville.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: [planehuggers] Re: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown

 



--- On Sat, 5/26/12, Ray Ubinger <ubinger@...> wrote:

From: Ray Ubinger <ubinger@...>
Subject: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown
To:
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 1:31 PM


I'm sure I reported a very salient quote of hers years ago, in a TV interview, something like "and i remember seeing the footage and there was no wreckage, everything was just gone, and I remember i couldn't believe that because that's now how plane wrecks look."  That was from my duke unix pine email which is not so searchable as gmail, and i've come up empty after 15 minutes' hunting for it.  




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#14067 From: "Ron" <ron_winn@...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2012 10:29 am
Subject: Re: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown
toooldforthis21
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Lee Hanson - one of the policemen called saying a plane had crashed into the WTC -so he turned on the TV [an excuse for turning on the TV so that his talk with his son was seen in isolation - so that neither Hanson knew it was only part of the scenario?] but that is not the curiosity - what is though is why should a cop call Lee Hanson about flight a plane [11?] crashing into the NT?  
 
How did his son know so much about what was going to happen to175 and who was doing it. {strange that it was only knew a little bit though].
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:17 AM
Subject: [planehuggers] Re: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown

 



--- On Sat, 5/26/12, Ray Ubinger <ubinger@...> wrote:

From: Ray Ubinger <ubinger@...>
Subject: RIP Sandy Dahl, 52, UA93 pilot widow, cause unknown
To:
Date: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 1:31 PM


I'm sure I reported a very salient quote of hers years ago, in a TV interview, something like "and i remember seeing the footage and there was no wreckage, everything was just gone, and I remember i couldn't believe that because that's now how plane wrecks look."  That was from my duke unix pine email which is not so searchable as gmail, and i've come up empty after 15 minutes' hunting for it.  




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#14068 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 12:19 am
Subject: Troy today and then
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse

OK, so no one actually knows exactly what day the Trojan Horse arrived.  Nor
does anyone recall exactly WHEN Trojans and Greeks fought to the death.  They
fought, they died and no one today remembers them.  We should be ashamed.

Let's say the Trojan Horse was sent to Troy on April 2nd, 1255.  It was proven
to be a deception on April 3rd, 1255.  We know the Greeks who were inside.  They
were:
Odysseus (main leader), Acamas, Agapenor, Ajax the Lesser, Amphidamas,
Amphimachus, Anticlus, Antimachus, Antiphates, Calchas, Cyanippus, Demophon
Diomedes, Echion, Epeius, Eumelus, Euryalus, Eurydamas, Eurymachus, Eurypylus,
Ialmenus, Idomeneus, Iphidamas, Leonteus, Machaon, Meges, Menelaus, Menestheus,
Meriones, Neoptolemus, Peneleus and Philoctetes.

This list is made up of the fakery experts of that time.  They knew what to do
when the night arrived and Moon was the most luminous orb in the sky.  They had
their fingers on their knives and knew exactly how to use both--when the time
was right.

Even though the Trojans were exposed as boobs as history now judges them; at
least they eventually figured out the Trojan Horse was a fake.  At least someone
in that community came to the conclusion that Leonteus and Menelaus wouldn't be
in their vicinity if the Horse were a genuine gift of friendship.

That differentiates us from them.  It is now what, 11 years since the great 9/11
tv fakery went down?  How many people have figured out it was a fake--maybe a
dozen?  With a world population of 7 billion, the fact that only a dozen people
have since figured out 9/11 was fake speaks of the skill with which the fakery
was achieved.

We should acknowledge the 9/11 perps.  Many of them would have been with
Odysseus the night he and his comrades took a city and ended a war.  They played
for keeps--and look who won.

#14069 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 1:10 am
Subject: Re: Troy today and then
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"Let's say the Trojan Horse was sent to Troy on April 2nd, 1255. It was proven to be a deception on April 3rd, 1255. "


I now realize those men who gave the fabled horse to Troy operated Before Christ.  So, more likely dates are the horse is given on April 2nd, 1255 BC.  It was exposed as fake on April 1st, 1255 BC.  (The dates move backwards because everyone at that time understands they are waiting for Christ to arrive; i.e., the carpenter who successfully seduced prostitutes--the prophet who was so dangerous they had to kill him.


During Jesus's time it was not uncommon to see thousands of people dead or dying as they hung from crosses by the side of the road.  Imagine 20,000 men dying on the cross along the main road that leads into New York city.  This is not the past--it is the FUTURE.







--- On Mon, 5/28/12, Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...> wrote:

From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Subject: [planehuggers] Troy today and then
To: planehuggers@yahoogroups.com, "The Maelstrom" <the_maelstrom@yahoogroups.com>, 911tvfakery@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 8:19 PM

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse

OK, so no one actually knows exactly what day the Trojan Horse arrived. Nor does anyone recall exactly WHEN Trojans and Greeks fought to the death. They fought, they died and no one today remembers them. We should be ashamed.

Let's say the Trojan Horse was sent to Troy on April 2nd, 1255. It was proven to be a deception on April 3rd, 1255. We know the Greeks who were inside. They were:
Odysseus (main leader), Acamas, Agapenor, Ajax the Lesser, Amphidamas, Amphimachus, Anticlus, Antimachus, Antiphates, Calchas, Cyanippus, Demophon
Diomedes, Echion, Epeius, Eumelus, Euryalus, Eurydamas, Eurymachus, Eurypylus, Ialmenus, Idomeneus, Iphidamas, Leonteus, Machaon, Meges, Menelaus, Menestheus, Meriones, Neoptolemus, Peneleus and Philoctetes.

This list is made up of the fakery experts of that time. They knew what to do when the night arrived and Moon was the most luminous orb in the sky. They had their fingers on their knives and knew exactly how to use both--when the time was right.

Even though the Trojans were exposed as boobs as history now judges them; at least they eventually figured out the Trojan Horse was a fake. At least someone in that community came to the conclusion that Leonteus and Menelaus wouldn't be in their vicinity if the Horse were a genuine gift of friendship.

That differentiates us from them. It is now what, 11 years since the great 9/11 tv fakery went down? How many people have figured out it was a fake--maybe a dozen? With a world population of 7 billion, the fact that only a dozen people have since figured out 9/11 was fake speaks of the skill with which the fakery was achieved.

We should acknowledge the 9/11 perps. Many of them would have been with Odysseus the night he and his comrades took a city and ended a war. They played for keeps--and look who won.


#14070 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2012 11:02 pm
Subject: Hillary speaking out
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/syri-m29.shtml

...Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, “The US will work with the
international community to intensify our pressure on [Syrian President Bashar]
Assad and his cronies, whose rule by murder and fear must come to an end.” The
White House called the Houla attack “a vile testament to an illegitimate
regime.”

Nothing unusual with what HRC said this time.  Almost every day she makes
similar statements; i.e., the US is working with the international community
[minus Russia, China, Iran, who have vested interests] to "intensify pressure"
["pressure" seemingly similar to what we've done to Yugoslavia, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Pakistan in recent years] and end the reign of a dictator that we
don't like [e.g., he's like Saddam Hussein or Moammar Gadhafi, but unlike the
dictators we support].

Who would have thought that when Hillary first entered the scene that this was
coming from her?  I remember when just after her husband became Presient she was
the activist who was going to improve the country's health care.  During one of
her breakfast sessions she arrived in Baltimore and ate at a popular Fells Point
restaurant.  She seemed accessible, smart, devoted.  It was hard to believe that
she personally killed single payer.

Now she's speaking in opposition of 99% the world's people, as she expresses a
commitment to extra-judicial military violence with every new sentence.

It is like we've switched to an alternative universe all of a sudden.

#14071 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Wed May 30, 2012 12:27 am
Subject: double suicides and cannibal attacks
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/gree-m29.shtml

(search for 'miami cannibal attack' for that story)

...The tragedy occurred May 24. The mother, aged 90, and her son, aged 60, leapt
hand in hand from the roof of their apartment building in the capital shortly
after 8 a.m...

Greece's economy has slowed down 27% in the last five years, a reduction last
seen during the rise of Hitler.  They're getting so desperate that this scene of
a mother and son jumping to their deaths is becoming commonplace.

Meanwhile, apparently cannibalism is coming to the former US.  (That's assuming
this story is true.)  I suspect more cannibalism is coming.  Don't be surprised
if some big company gets involved in selling human parts for food.  Don't be
surprised if food products made from cannibalism arrives at supermarkets
everywhere in a couple of years.

Maybe cannibal rights will replace gay rights soon.  Cannibals everywhere will
begin clamoring for the right to eat human flesh--in public and everywhere else.

The cannibals may find some new business in today's Greece with all the people
killing themselves now in public.

How did we get to this point?  Oh, forgot.  Ten minutes of cartoon planes.  That
was enough to drive the genus homo mad.

#14072 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 12:59 am
Subject: a loggerhead turtle's life
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http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120516_loggerheads

when does the loggerhead get to enjoy itself?  It never sees its mother.  It
hatches on the beach and immediately tries to move like hell to the waves.  It
somehow knows that it is dinner time for seagulls--there was no time to be told
little things from Mama.  Its first hours on planet Earth are seemingly
insanity-inducing torture.

Imagine a newborn, human baby waking up on a beach with flying predators all
around and immediately making a beeline towards water that is a football field
away.  How many human babies would make it?

The loggerheads then swim.  Sure, they eventually reach ocean currents and can
rest some.  However, they sure travel a long way before they get ther.

During that time if any predator seems near the loggerhead is going to snap
inside its shell faster than a wink of an eye.  Now, imagine being crunched up
in a ball for a couple of days.  It doesn't seem very "comfortable."  I wouldn't
want to keep that pose for long.  You are scrunched in a ridiculous ball hoping
the predators nearby won't decide to bite on the shell just for kicks.

Once they've made their long swim they decide to return home, spawn and die. 
Thus the cycle resumes with no perceived advantages given to the next
generation.

At least when they die they have the satisfaction of knowing they survived their
beach.

#14073 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 11:18 pm
Subject: the oncoming Andromeda v. Milky Way match of the billionennium
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http://news.yahoo.com/milky-way-galaxy-doomed-head-crash-andromeda-194656925.htm\
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pretty nifty photo slideshow with commentary discussing how Earth's sky will
likely look like billions of years into the future.

Andromeda is coming right for us!  It has more stars than the Milky Way does. 
It will have more leverage once the two galaxies are in a clinch.

Meanwhile, the Triangulum galaxy is an X-factor.  Will it pile-on the upcoming
scrum, adding to Andromeda's triumph?

Bring out the serious drugs 3.85 billion years from now.  The sky will be filled
with new stars being born, as if Earth was having a permanent fireworks display.
That looks to be some *serious* night-time viewing.

Unfortunately, the end result looks pretty dull.  Six billion or so years from
now the sky looks like a cosmic bartender turned on the lights and made last
call.

That's assuming the Triangulum galaxy doesn't muck things up.

#14074 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:21 am
Subject: December 2117 and December 2125
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The Venus Transit is TOMORROW.  Don't look at the Sun with your naked eye--or
you may go blind--and possibly mad.

The next Venus transits will occur in 2117 and 2125; both times in December.

Imagine what kind of world Earth will be then.  The die-off will have run its
course, leaving only about a hundred million biochipped and enslaved humans who
are forced to work all day and night while being deprived of sleep, whose every
thought and action of every day is carefully observed, who are routinely
tortured by their sadistic masters while never being allowed a free moment in
their miserable and brief lives.

A million rulers will own the slaves.  They will each hold competitions to see
who is the most cruel.  Sadism is rewarded; the more badly they treat their
slaves the more slaves they will be allowed to own.

Because the slaves have no citizenship the State will recognize, their owners
are free to treat them as cattle; to kill them indiscriminately.  The slaves who
have tried (and failed) to escape will be executed by guillotine or immurement
in public displays that the rest of the slaves are forced to watch.  This will
teach the other slaves good lessons in proper behavior.

The slaves will permitted limited reproduction and are often forced to marry
someone just because the masters say so.  Offspring are wholly owned by the
State.

Life will be cheap in Dec. 2117 and Dec. 2125.  Slaves will discover the one
unpardonable crime they commit is to inquire about the prior century's
long-forgotten "planes hoax".  (That caper was ancient history just two years
after the TV fakery went down.)

They slaves will all know the plane hoax aircraft wasn't real but that knowledge
won't ease their misery.  The slaves will curse the population of humans that
never spoke up about the plane hoax that triggered the sequence of steps which
eventually led to their enslavement.

The slaves will experience no holidays, ever, thanks to the people who fell
asleep over the planes hoax.

#14075 From: "Ron" <ron_winn@...>
Date: Fri Jun 8, 2012 10:58 pm
Subject: Can 9/11 researchers see themselves here?
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Are 9/11 researchers individualists? Are they deniers of reality or are they those who do not want to settle into any reality where they feel comfortable with because that is the place where most other folk settle in because it is a comfortable reality? 
 
The mainstream version of 9/11 is a comfortable reality. When 19 Arabs got the best of a superpower. A movie story line with anti-hero-bad guys almost completing their mission before the good-guys come in to thwart it? Except the good guys didn't quite make it this time on 9/11. A movie-type reality but with a twist.
 
Does the 9/11 researcher want to avoid being brainwashed with the wrong "reality" or do they see another reality, their own reality?
 
Well, they say that keep it simple. The best plan [or plot] is the one that is kept simple. Less to go wrong. The mainstream version of 9/11 was not made out to be simple. Everything went right for the highjackers and everything went wrong for homeland security except for the process of diverting and/or safely landing all air traffic.
 
People can live with the mainstream version of 9/11 because it's what movies are made of - the anti-hero baddie wins at the beginning but the goodies deliver justice in the end. It's a movie story line played out in a form of reality that most folk want to accept because that is what they are used to.      .    
 
9/11 researchers are individualists with their own idea of what reality is or should be.
 
The reality of 9/11 was that it was more simple than the mainstream media made it out to be - otherwise it was unlikely to succeed and it did succeed. That we do know.  .  

#14076 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Fri Jun 8, 2012 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: Can 9/11 researchers see themselves here?
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pretty interesting article...

It is clear the Perps were trying to force a mindset on everyone, and it led to innumerable players forcing the same mindset down.  


However, the concept of the individualist is emphasized too much.  We're not wandering from dusty town to dusty town saying little but blowing mysterious and sad riffs on a harmonica; settling all disputes with the fastest gun in any area; while searching for that one guy who most deserves to eat lead.


Instead, those of us who chose the path of non-conformity have played a losing hand; we bluffed and bluffed and the pot became enormous but the remaining party stayed and eventually called that bluff.  In other words, we've lost.  The game is up.


It is a nice bit of theory but doesn't reflect accurately on the "facts on the ground."




--- On Fri, 6/8/12, Ron <ron_winn@...> wrote:

From: Ron <ron_winn@...>
Subject: [planehuggers] Can 9/11 researchers see themselves here?
To: planehuggers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 8, 2012, 6:58 PM

 

 
Are 9/11 researchers individualists? Are they deniers of reality or are they those who do not want to settle into any reality where they feel comfortable with because that is the place where most other folk settle in because it is a comfortable reality? 
 
The mainstream version of 9/11 is a comfortable reality. When 19 Arabs got the best of a superpower. A movie story line with anti-hero-bad guys almost completing their mission before the good-guys come in to thwart it? Except the good guys didn't quite make it this time on 9/11. A movie-type reality but with a twist.
 
Does the 9/11 researcher want to avoid being brainwashed with the wrong "reality" or do they see another reality, their own reality?
 
Well, they say that keep it simple. The best plan [or plot] is the one that is kept simple. Less to go wrong. The mainstream version of 9/11 was not made out to be simple. Everything went right for the highjackers and everything went wrong for homeland security except for the process of diverting and/or safely landing all air traffic.
 
People can live with the mainstream version of 9/11 because it's what movies are made of - the anti-hero baddie wins at the beginning but the goodies deliver justice in the end. It's a movie story line played out in a form of reality that most folk want to accept because that is what they are used to.      .    
 
9/11 researchers are individualists with their own idea of what reality is or should be.
 
The reality of 9/11 was that it was more simple than the mainstream media made it out to be - otherwise it was unlikely to succeed and it did succeed. That we do know.  .  

#14077 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:46 am
Subject: new investigation - drama?
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http://www.infowars.com/a-new-911-investigation-coming-to-a-theater-near-you

“A Violation of Trust” (formerly titled “Confession of a 9/11
Conspirator”) is a feature film project that is willing to do what the
world’s governments and legal bodies are unwilling to do – open a real
investigation of 9/11 for the entire world to see. It dramatizes the first day
of “The President’s New Investigation of 9/11”, with actors performing
from a tightly-written, factually-accurate script that pits the 9/11 Commission
Report and the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Reports
against the work of 9/11 researcher Dr. David Ray Griffin and the scientific
research highlighted by leading 9/11 truth organizations, including Architects &
Engineers for 9/11 Truth..."

Uh oh.  Looks like Perp Central is flexing its muscles again.  Once this film
makes the rounds 9/11 truth will be a long-forgotten memory.

Interesting how many of the actors have been "cool" in my mind over the years. 
Ed Asner, Michelle Phillips, Woodly Harrelson, Judd Nelson, Martin Sheen.

Who's cooler than Woody Harrelson?  that chick-magnet will smoke grass at a
moment's notice.  How about Michelle Phillips?  She used to be car-crash-causing
hot.  Judd Nelson?  (Breakfast Club.)  Asner?  (Mary Tyler Moore.)  Sheen? 
(Badlands.)

We always knew we had a charisma gap.  Perp Central will use it to bury our
"movement" once and for all.

#14078 From: "Ron" <ron_winn@...>
Date: Sat Jun 9, 2012 9:51 am
Subject: new investigation - drama?
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They seem to be missing out the other tower. The ST. Is it the NT that is this "one"?

CHAIRMAN EISNER: Dr. Singer, do you agree Building 7′s collapse looks like the other one, the controlled demolition one?

Why this "one". Is it because the NT was nearest WTC7 or that the NT event was nearest to a cd than the ST?
 
This dialogue would have been more powerful had it said the other two.
 
Are we then to look at the ST not being a cd because it did not look like one?
 
Keep it even more simple. Hit one tower and since one standing tower would be odd without the other leave the rest up to the establishment. The ST was the first to get destroyed. The other tower was hit first [not the ST that was known to have been the target] so when the target [the ST] was known to have came down the other tower [the NT was brought down after it. The NT was a much better job than the ST.
 
Also, is NIST actually right - explosive were not used. You would not test for explosives if you knew exactly how it was done. They are adament about this - we should listen to them. If it was fire then it is weird fire. WTC7 could have been brought down by weird fire coming off the NT. But it could also have been the fast flying object that missed the NT.   
 
Worth thinking about. .   
 
 
 
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http://www.infowars.com/a-new-911-investigation-coming-to-a-theater-near-you

“A Violation of Trust” (formerly titled “Confession of a 9/11 Conspirator”) is a feature film project that is willing to do what the world’s governments and legal bodies are unwilling to do – open a real investigation of 9/11 for the entire world to see. It dramatizes the first day of “The President’s New Investigation of 9/11”, with actors performing from a tightly-written, factually-accurate script that pits the 9/11 Commission Report and the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Reports against the work of 9/11 researcher Dr. David Ray Griffin and the scientific research highlighted by leading 9/11 truth organizations, including Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth..."

Uh oh. Looks like Perp Central is flexing its muscles again. Once this film makes the rounds 9/11 truth will be a long-forgotten memory.

Interesting how many of the actors have been "cool" in my mind over the years. Ed Asner, Michelle Phillips, Woodly Harrelson, Judd Nelson, Martin Sheen.

Who's cooler than Woody Harrelson? that chick-magnet will smoke grass at a moment's notice. How about Michelle Phillips? She used to be car-crash-causing hot. Judd Nelson? (Breakfast Club.) Asner? (Mary Tyler Moore.) Sheen? (Badlands.)

We always knew we had a charisma gap. Perp Central will use it to bury our "movement" once and for all.

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#14079 From: "Ron" <ron_winn@...>
Date: Sat Jun 9, 2012 11:15 pm
Subject: Suicides in the US military
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The problem:-
 
 
What would have been the solution:-
 
 
It's about time that someone was accused of the huge cock-up.
 
Jay Garner would have had Iraq "up and running" by now. Whoever withdraw him from Iraq and those whose agenda he supported should be put in the stocks and pelted with anything that you can lay your hands on.
 
They call it a war. It is not a war. It is an occupation and an insurgency. The Germans were occupiers and there were insugencies but German soldiers were not known for suicides.
 
The Palestinians suffer occupation but they are not known for their suicides.
 
The American troops see their country being fucked up and Iraq being fucked up and so what do we expect? American troops are fucked up.  

#14080 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:35 am
Subject: Build my Gallows High
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039689/

I caught up with "Out of the Past" once again today.  'Out of the Past' is at
the top of most film noir fans' lists.  If 'Night and the City' weren't made it
would own the genre.  It certainly owns the description of "cool" like no other
film.

Robert Mitchum plays the unbelievable Jeff Markham/Bailey.  Mitchum's portrayal
of Jeff makes the audience wonder: Has *any* other film star ever defined
'cool'?  Mitchum doesn't give a rats ass about anything, including his own life.
He's smart enough to stay on top of dangerous situations; but he also lives
life--perhaps too fully.

Most people wouldn't mind being Mitchum as he enters a seedy nightclub in
Frisco, steps into the manager's office, wordlessly slugs the building's
proprietor on the jaw, reclaims a briefcase said manager had hidden within the
desk he was sitting at, and then steals a cig and lighter from the beaten man. 
That's a primal moment, one of many moments of untouchable greatness that
appears here.

The original title of the story (i.e., Build my Gallows High) makes perfect
sense with the last, bittersweet image.  It all makes sense and yet we can't
turn back the clock and relive it again with proper awareness.

Same thing with life.  Boy, I'd like to turn back the clock--or at least stop
the damn thing.  I'd like to have lived mine much more like Mitchum did his.

#14081 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: Saint Mychal Propaganda is on Faceborg
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Pretty neat photo on 'Faceborg'.  I don't think it is newsworthy that Judge
didn't exactly die giving last rites.  (Still, I'm curious to know: Was he
officially canonized by the Vatican?  Don't you need official certification from
the Old Man with the Hat and the Sceptor before you can put "Saint" on your
business cards?)

That mud-encrusted guy in the white shirt helping to carry Judge seems like he's
having a good time.  You'd think he was knowingly part of some joke with an
expression like that.

#14082 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:00 am
Subject: relating AU to other distances
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http://www.transit-of-venus.org.uk/science.htm

(apologies for the missing graphics--I too, wish they were there.)

This part interests me:

"The Astronomical Unit

The astronomical unit is tiny on the scale of the Universe:
The distance between the Sun and the Earth is 1 au = 150 million km.
The distance to the nearest star is about 250,000 au.
The diameter of the Galaxy is about 10,000 million au.
The size of the Universe is about 1000 million million au."

...The distance to the nearest star is 250,000 au!!!!  Can you imagine counting
to 250,000?  How about applying 90 million miles with each of the counts?  And,
this is the *closest* star, which is 4.2 light years away.

Humans are like stray amoeba that managed to look beyond its petri dish in a lab
and observe that the home dish is just one of many in a row and collectively
they are participating in some unknown experiment.

#14083 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:07 am
Subject: Re: relating AU to other distances
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"The distance to the nearest star is about 250,000 au."


OK, if the distance between Earth and the Sun is the width of a penny (2 mm, let's say), then the next star is 250K times that away, which is 500,000 mm.  That's 500 km.  Converting to the familiar medieval English measurement, 500 km is about 311 miles.


So the next star away from the penny (that represents the Sun-Earth distance) is a little bit less than the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco.  It is about 50% more than the distance between Baltimore, MD and New York City.  It is about four times the distance between NYC and Philly.


We're in the boonies.




--- On Mon, 6/11/12, Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...> wrote:

From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Subject: [The_Maelstrom] relating AU to other distances
To: planehuggers@yahoogroups.com, "The Maelstrom" <the_maelstrom@yahoogroups.com>, rm-counsel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 9:00 PM

 

http://www.transit-of-venus.org.uk/science.htm

(apologies for the missing graphics--I too, wish they were there.)

This part interests me:

"The Astronomical Unit

The astronomical unit is tiny on the scale of the Universe:
The distance between the Sun and the Earth is 1 au = 150 million km.
The distance to the nearest star is about 250,000 au.
The diameter of the Galaxy is about 10,000 million au.
The size of the Universe is about 1000 million million au."

...The distance to the nearest star is 250,000 au!!!! Can you imagine counting to 250,000? How about applying 90 million miles with each of the counts? And, this is the *closest* star, which is 4.2 light years away.

Humans are like stray amoeba that managed to look beyond its petri dish in a lab and observe that the home dish is just one of many in a row and collectively they are participating in some unknown experiment.


#14084 From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Date: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:00 am
Subject: Re: relating AU to other distances
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Well, turns out that the opium affected my reasoning last evening and what I posted about astronomy was actually wrong by a factor of a thousand.


Here's another try:

The Earth-Sun (au) distance is reduced to the size of a penny (2 mm).

The next star is 250K times that away.

This is 500,000 mm, or 500 m.

500m = 546 yards.


So, if Earth-Sun (au) is a penny, then the *nearest* star to that penny is five and a half football fields away.


Now, consider the Moon is 240,000 miles away.  At that distance, the penny has to be divided into 388 parts to be able to distinguish the Earth from the Moon.  (in other words, 94 million divided by 240K = 388.)


With Earth-Moon 1/388th of a penny, and Earth-Sun the full penny, and the next star five and a half football fields away from that penny, we have a long way to go before we:


1. send humans to the Moon.
2. reach another star.





--- On Mon, 6/11/12, Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...> wrote:

From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Subject: Re: relating AU to other distances
To: planehuggers@yahoogroups.com, "The Maelstrom" <the_maelstrom@yahoogroups.com>, rm-counsel@yahoogroups.com, The_Maelstrom@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 10:07 PM

"The distance to the nearest star is about 250,000 au."


OK, if the distance between Earth and the Sun is the width of a penny (2 mm, let's say), then the next star is 250K times that away, which is 500,000 mm.  That's 500 km.  Converting to the familiar medieval English measurement, 500 km is about 311 miles.


So the next star away from the penny (that represents the Sun-Earth distance) is a little bit less than the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco.  It is about 50% more than the distance between Baltimore, MD and New York City.  It is about four times the distance between NYC and Philly.


We're in the boonies.




--- On Mon, 6/11/12, Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...> wrote:

From: Scott Loughrey <scottl44@...>
Subject: [The_Maelstrom] relating AU to other distances
To: planehuggers@yahoogroups.com, "The Maelstrom" <the_maelstrom@yahoogroups.com>, rm-counsel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 9:00 PM

 

http://www.transit-of-venus.org.uk/science.htm

(apologies for the missing graphics--I too, wish they were there.)

This part interests me:

"The Astronomical Unit

The astronomical unit is tiny on the scale of the Universe:
The distance between the Sun and the Earth is 1 au = 150 million km.
The distance to the nearest star is about 250,000 au.
The diameter of the Galaxy is about 10,000 million au.
The size of the Universe is about 1000 million million au."

...The distance to the nearest star is 250,000 au!!!! Can you imagine counting to 250,000? How about applying 90 million miles with each of the counts? And, this is the *closest* star, which is 4.2 light years away.

Humans are like stray amoeba that managed to look beyond its petri dish in a lab and observe that the home dish is just one of many in a row and collectively they are participating in some unknown experiment.


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