----- Original Message -----From: Mark S BilkCc: frameup@yahoogroups.com ; 911TruthAction@yahoogroupscom ; the911coverup@yahoogroups.com ; truthabout911@yahoogroups.com ; Mark S Bilk ; killtown ; Jerry Russell ; wtcconspiracy@yahoogroups.com ; planehuggers@yahoogroups.com ; 'Morgan Reynolds' ; 'Thomas J. Mattingly' ; 'Jack Yolam' ; 'Don Paul' ; ''Richard' Grove' ; ad.johnson@... ; 'Judy Wood' ; 'Kevin Barrett' ; 'Bob Bowman' ; 'DavidShayler' ; 'NancyCunningham' ; 'Carol Brouillet' ; 'James F.Marrs' ; 'PaulZarembka' ; 'Ginny Howard' ; 'PaulV. Sheridan' ; 'David A Gabbard' ; 'Total Information' ; 'Alexander Dent' ; 'Gregory M.Zeigler' ; 'AnnieMachon' ; 'Richard Curtis' ; 'David Heller' ; 'Chris Brown' ; attorney@... ; 'Barrie Zwicker' ; 'Dylan Avery' ; 'USA Exile Govt.' 'President' ; 'Dave' ; 'Nila Sagadevan' ; 'Jimmy Walter' ; 'Les Jamieson' ; 'Rick Siegel' ; 'Lynn Ertell' ; jfetzer@... ; 'Rick Rajter' ; 'Professor Steven E. Jones' ; webstertarpley@... ; 911zionistop@yahoogroups.com ; joseph.keith@... ; nico@... ; Gerard Holmgren ; Jim Hoffman ; CorvuswireSent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:52 AMSubject: [planehuggers] Why It Is Vital To Refute The No-WTC-Planes Disinformation -was: Here is a clear photo of UA 175 ...On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 07:57:14PM -0700, Dick Eastman wrote:
>...
Dick, your reasoning here is excellent, and one can add to it that
of all the people in New York and New Jersey who were watching the
fire in WTC1, not a single one has come forward in five years
to say that they were watching from an angle and distance where
they could have seen the plane hit WTC2, and were watching at the
time of the explosion in WTC2, but did not see the plane hit it.
Eric Salter has just published a superb report on the No-WTC-Planes
disinformation operation here:
http://worldtradecentertruth. com/volume/ 200610/Salter.
However, Dick, you are wrong to attack Jim Fetzer and others on
this list who have received (some of) the No-WTC-Plane messages
here and have not responded. Fetzer is extremely busy, both
with his job as a university professor and his leadership of
Scholars for 911 Truth:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth. org/
He no doubt receives a huge flood of e-mail every day, and can
only respond to a tiny fraction of it. He (and Steven Jones)
did eject the No-WTC-Plane disinfo members from the Scholars,
after a failed attempt to reason with them (which is impossible,
because they are purposely lying).
Other good people on the list have not responded to the disinfo
messages here because they are either passive, too busy, or don't
consider themselves qualified to evaluate the evidence. They
need to become qualified by studying the issues and educating
themselves in basic video technology and physics. Wikipedia
is often a good place to start (although not in matters of Israel
and Palestine, because it is operated by Zionists). For example,
these articles provide a good introduction to video compression:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Video_compressio n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ MPEG-2
The survival of life on Earth depends on defeating the Fascists
in the governments of the U.S., Israel, and England, and to do that
the truth about the 9-11 false-flag pseudo-terrorist attacks must
be understood by a majority of people in those countries. The
No-WTC-Planes gang are working to sabotage the 9-11 truth movement,
and so are extremely dangerous. Their disinformation must be
fought with the rational scientific truth in every forum in which
it appears.
On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 07:57:14PM -0700, Dick Eastman wrote:
>
>Here is a clear photo of UA 175 before it hit South Tower -- notice the
>detail of the engines, notice the detail of the WTC wall, absent in the
>"pod" video. We see how the sunlight hit the plane -- explaining what is
>seen in other recordings.
>
>http://www.infowars.net/pictures/ Oct06/231006spet 11.jpg
>
>I can instantly prove to the intelligent that the 44 video recordings of the
>two jetliners crashing into towers cannot have been faked as the
>"no-planers" outrageously claim.
>
>The explosion of the building was photographed live. It caught the details
>of this unique explosion -- a complex and chaotic event photographed live.
>This explosion really happened and was photographed live. The 44 pictures
>of the planes hitting show continuity with this explosion -- including the
>engine coming out of the other side of the building. The videos were all
>presented with the same plane crash and the same consistency of crash and
>explosion. It would be impossible to have "cartooned" those planes in
>advance without first knowing what the explosion would look like -- of
>matching the graphic with the explosion. It would have been impossible to
>"model" the actual explosion before hand and create 40 different angle shots
>of the same explosion and same plane approach.
>
>Yet despite this impossibility the no-planers claim that 44 cameras were
>loaded with cartoons and all the those with those videocameras were
>conspirator spooks -- and that on top of that -- that no real person who
>was not a spook -- in all New York and New Jersey -- not one of them
>thought of aiming a camera at the world trade center after the North Tower
>was hit to take a picture of the south tower suddenly exploding without
>being hit by a plane.
>
>The people who say this know it is ridiculous -- they know intelligent
>people reject it immediately when the consider the above -- and yet the
>keep insisting and creating blogs and websites and arguing on yahoogroups
>and googlegroups and usenet -- because they want the ridiculous story out
>there for all to see so that people will come to heap scorn on anyone and
>everyone who suggests -- for whatever reason -- that 9-11 was a false-flag
>black-op by the US and Israel.
>
>Everyone on this list except Mark S. Bilk, Peter Wakefield Sault, and Ron
>Corvus are no-planes or silent supporters of the no-planers. No
>intelligent person of good will could read this debate and not choose to
>voice his outrage at the "no-planer" deception that is so obvious and so
>evil.
>
>I especially want to write out Jim Fitzer as a genuine 9-11 investigator.
>He has shown that he is just a publicity hound and that the "no-planers" can
>have him if they just get him an interview. He didn't raise one objection to
>no-planes even when their gross deceptions were pointed out. He is not a
>hard-evidence investigator.
>
>Dick Eastman
>Yakima, Washington
>