Trackerd and assigned:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2800036&group_id=25576&atid=750\
091

K

> >> > I thought part of the simplicity of Acrobatics got rid of those move
> >> > modifiers...
> >>
> >> Could Pathfinder Beta owner please check this and get back to us?  Thanks!
> >
> > There is in fact the possibility of a bonus on Acrobatics skill checks that
> > applies only when jumping, e.g. Ring of Jumping.\
>
> Yeah, I know about those.  It was the bonus based on character's speed
> that I thought wasn't in the PF stuff.  I'll have to look when I get a
> chance.
>
>
> --
> Tir Gwaith
> PCGen LST Chimp
>

Hey Paul,

I tried contacting you via IM, but you didn't reply.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



Martijn Verburg wrote:
>> Is some other night better for people?
>>
>
> Hi Paul, unfortunately I'm unable to make any of the nights, timezone
difficulties and all that :(
>
> K
>
>
>
>
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--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Eric C Smith <maredudd@...> wrote:
>
> Gen Con is just over two months away and PCGen is still looking for
> volunteers!
>
> Booth #1925 has been reserved for PCGen but as of yet we have had no
> one step forward to man it. Unfortunately, if we don't get enough
> volunteers to man the booth full time, we will need to cancel our
> reservation. If you are planning on attending Gen Con and are willing
> to dedicate some time to supporting PCGen while there, please
> consider volunteering to help. We also need someone to serve as
> primary Point-of-Contact onsite with the Gen Con staff. As
> exhibitors, PCGen will receive two free Exhibitor's badges that will
> get you in to the exhibitor area early!
>
> If you are interested in helping to spread the word of PCGen to the
> masses at Gen Con this year, please respond here, or you can contact
> your friendly neighborhood Board Member.
>
> PCGen Board of Directors
>

Since I am finally back to work, there is a greater chance that I'll be able to
man the booth. But since I can't guarantee that I'd be there I don't want to get
anyone's hopes up for it.

Either way I can drive down and definitely bring the posters and frames that
Eddy made last year, and I can deliver any flyer's or CD's that need to be also.

Paul G.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Tir Gwaith <Tir.Gwaith@...> wrote:
>
> I thought part of the simplicity of Acrobatics got rid of those move
> modifiers...

Page 55 under the Acrobatics skill:

"Creatures with a base land speed above 30 feet receive a +4 racial bonus on
Acrobatics checks made to jump for every 10 feet of their speed above 30 feet."

The penalty for being slow doesn't seem to exist any more.  And since the
dataset already creates the Acrobatics (Jump) conditional skill use, it may as
well apply this modifier.

I think I may have used TYPE=Speed in my bug report, when in fact it should be
TYPE=Racial.  Old habits die hard.  ;)

Cheers,

Sir George Anonymous

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Okay
> Tracker was:
> 2799582 PF Beta Set - Corrections
>
> And I fixed it with:
> Completed: At revision: 9911
>
> Grab an autobuild tonight or build your own (if you've got the
> capability)

Andrew,

I downloaded the data autobuild from the link at the bottom of your post, but
none of the updates were in it.  In fact, some of the PF files were older than
the ones that came with the 5.16.0 download.  Is there another place to get the
autobuilds from?  If so, we should update the group's links.

Cheers,

Sir George Anonymous

Odd, I need to find out what is going on then.
Sounds like the autobuilds are still grabbing the 5.16 branch instead of
the trunk.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



ovka wrote:
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
>> Okay
>> Tracker was:
>> 2799582 PF Beta Set - Corrections
>>
>> And I fixed it with:
>> Completed: At revision: 9911
>>
>> Grab an autobuild tonight or build your own (if you've got the
>> capability)
>>
>
> Andrew,
>
> I downloaded the data autobuild from the link at the bottom of your post, but
none of the updates were in it.  In fact, some of the PF files were older than
the ones that came with the 5.16.0 download.  Is there another place to get the
autobuilds from?  If so, we should update the group's links.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sir George Anonymous
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi everyone,

I don't know what happened, but for some reason when I open a character in PCGen
all of the tabs are empty except for the Summary and Preview tabs. This happened
to me in 5.15.13, which worked fine before, but I have since downloaded and
tried 5.16, which does the same thing. This happens for loaded characters and
new characters alike.
I'm using Ubuntu 8.4, and as far as I can remember I haven't done any major
changes lately that might cause something like this. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks.

Hi Metukio,

I think we've had this happen in some of the Linux distro's. We haven't
been able to uncover the cause, since our coders can't duplicate the
circumstances.

If you don't mind volunteering some time to assist a coder in solving
this then we might be able to fix this issue. Without your help the
problem will remain.

A couple of basics though that *might* help:
OS and Build version?
Java (Sun Java vs. other)?
Any error messages in the console?

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



metukio wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I don't know what happened, but for some reason when I open a character in
PCGen all of the tabs are empty except for the Summary and Preview tabs. This
happened to me in 5.15.13, which worked fine before, but I have since downloaded
and tried 5.16, which does the same thing. This happens for loaded characters
and new characters alike.
> I'm using Ubuntu 8.4, and as far as I can remember I haven't done any major
changes lately that might cause something like this. Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Related Lists
> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
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> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
>
> PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
>
> PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> (for new official data source development)
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

The other day I downloaded 5.16.0 and now when I load my preferred set of
sources it freezes up. I am also having the same problem in 5.15.4. Yesterday
the program sat for 24 hours before I shut it down and started over. Any
suggestions?

Thanks

Hi Andrew,

Yes, I'd be happy to contribute to the cause. I'll start with the basics:

I'm using Ubuntu 8.4. I'm not fluent in the jargon, so I'm not sure what the
build is.
Sun Java 6, as far as I can tell.
In 51513, when trying to load the Pathfinder data files, I get many error
messages of this kind:
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference

If there's anything else you need, please let me know (preferably with an
explanation on how to get it, since I'm still relatively new to Linux).


--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Metukio,
>
> I think we've had this happen in some of the Linux distro's. We haven't
> been able to uncover the cause, since our coders can't duplicate the
> circumstances.
>
> If you don't mind volunteering some time to assist a coder in solving
> this then we might be able to fix this issue. Without your help the
> problem will remain.
>
> A couple of basics though that *might* help:
> OS and Build version?
> Java (Sun Java vs. other)?
> Any error messages in the console?
>
> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>
>
>
> metukio wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I don't know what happened, but for some reason when I open a character in
PCGen all of the tabs are empty except for the Summary and Preview tabs. This
happened to me in 5.15.13, which worked fine before, but I have since downloaded
and tried 5.16, which does the same thing. This happens for loaded characters
and new characters alike.
> > I'm using Ubuntu 8.4, and as far as I can remember I haven't done any major
changes lately that might cause something like this. Does anyone have any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Related Lists
> > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> > PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
> > PCGen's Roadmap: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap
> > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> > PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
> > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
> >
> > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
> >
> > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> > (for new official data source development)
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "teaming5" <hhowell5133@...> wrote:
>
> The other day I downloaded 5.16.0 and now when I load my preferred set of
sources it freezes up. I am also having the same problem in 5.15.4. Yesterday
the program sat for 24 hours before I shut it down and started over. Any
suggestions?
>
> Thanks

Do you see any error messages in the console?

K

On Thursday 04 June 2009 03:52:48 metukio wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Yes, I'd be happy to contribute to the cause. I'll start with the basics:
>
> I'm using Ubuntu 8.4. I'm not fluent in the jargon, so I'm not sure what
> the build is. Sun Java 6, as far as I can tell.
> In 51513, when trying to load the Pathfinder data files, I get many error
> messages of this kind: SEVERE Unconstructed Reference
>
> If there's anything else you need, please let me know (preferably with an
> explanation on how to get it, since I'm still relatively new to Linux).

We could use a bit more info.  Try running these commands in a command console
(such as xterm) and posting the output (you shouldn't need to use sudo):

uname -r (this will tell what kernel version you're using)

java -version (this will give a bit more detailed version info)

You results should look something like this:
uname -r
2.6.29-2-686

java -version
java version "1.6.0_14"
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_14-b08)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode, sharing)

--
Fluxxdog

The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
think.

OK, here we go:

uname -r
2.6.27-14-generic

java -version
java version "1.6.0_0"
IcedTea6 1.3.1 (6b12-0ubuntu6.4) Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b12)
OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0_0-b12, mixed mode, sharing)

I am using PCGen on a mac, and it is really really slow! I am trying to open up
a character and it is taking upwards of 10 minutes or more. am I doing something
wrong? I am on OS X 10.4.11 with no other major programs running (i have 1.83
ghz intel core due with 2 gb ram)...

Hi,

On 5/06/2009 7:28 PM metukio wrote
> OK, here we go:
>
> uname -r
> 2.6.27-14-generic
>
> java -version
> java version "1.6.0_0"
> IcedTea6 1.3.1 (6b12-0ubuntu6.4) Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_0-b12)
> OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0_0-b12, mixed mode, sharing)
>
>
We recommend that you use the Sun JDK for running PCGen - we get weird
errors, such as this, when run under the open Java versions. Not sure if
that is us doing something not quite by the book, or if it is the open
JDK though.

Cheers,
James Dempsey
PCGen Code SB

Thank you!
Everything seems to be working properly now...

OK, maybe not quite perfectly...
I still get all of the error messages when I try to load the pathfinder material
with custom feats and such, and some of those don't work the way they used to. I
tried looking into it, and it seems the feats and other stuff I've added are
there, but they're not considered to be custom (they don't appear blue in the
list editors, and can't be edited).
I have no idea what's the problem, but I really don't feel like rewriting all
those custom feats by hand... Help?

I'm at work today, but if you could send me a zip file of the CUSTOM
directory (The directory with the readme.txt that says NOT to mess with
the files there), I'll convert it to a proper lst and we can see if that
fixes the problem for you.

Also, can you supply the error messages so both the Content (Data) and
Code team can see what they are and possibly supply a fix.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



metukio wrote:
> OK, maybe not quite perfectly...
> I still get all of the error messages when I try to load the pathfinder
material with custom feats and such, and some of those don't work the way they
used to. I tried looking into it, and it seems the feats and other stuff I've
added are there, but they're not considered to be custom (they don't appear blue
in the list editors, and can't be edited).
> I have no idea what's the problem, but I really don't feel like rewriting all
those custom feats by hand... Help?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
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>
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>
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> (for new official data source development)
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Hello Andrew,

I'm not quite sure how to send the .zip file, since I don't have your email (I
can only see the part to the @, so I don't know what server I'm supposed to send
it to).

About the error messages, they didn't appear in the 5.16 until I copied the
directory Pathfinder under data/customsources.
Here's everything I see printed when loading the Pathfinder source material:

LSTWARN Deprecated use of PREHD found:
LSTWARN The PREHD:+ or PREHD:x-y syntax is no longer supported. The new format
is  'MIN=x', 'MAX=y', or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where x and y are integers. Passed
formala was: 1+
SEVERE Can not parse 'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse
'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where
'x' and 'y' are integers. '1' is not valid.
pcgen.persistence.PersistenceLayerException: Can not parse
'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse 'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must
be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where 'x' and 'y' are integers. '1'
is not valid.
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.prereq.PreParserFactory.parse(PreParserFactory.java:184)
	 at pcgen.core.bonus.Bonus.newBonus(Bonus.java:285)
	 at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:64)
	 at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:43)
	 at pcgen.rules.persistence.TokenSupport.processToken(TokenSupport.java:60)
	 at pcgen.rules.context.LoadContext.processToken(LoadContext.java:220)
	 at pcgen.persistence.lst.GenericLoader.parseLine(GenericLoader.java:150)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFile(LstObjectFileLoader.java:4\
54)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFiles(LstObjectFileLoader.java:\
117)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:565)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:447)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.PersistenceManager.loadCampaigns(PersistenceManager.java:189)
	 at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.doCampaignLoad(SourceSelectionUtils.java:\
193)
	 at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.access$000(SourceSelectionUtils.java:57)
	 at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils$1.construct(SourceSelectionUtils.java:149\
)
	 at pcgen.util.SwingWorker$2.run(SwingWorker.java:144)
	 at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)

LSTWARN Deprecated use of PREHD found:
LSTWARN The PREHD:+ or PREHD:x-y syntax is no longer supported. The new format
is  'MIN=x', 'MAX=y', or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where x and y are integers. Passed
formala was: 1+
SEVERE Can not parse 'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse
'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where
'x' and 'y' are integers. '1' is not valid.
pcgen.persistence.PersistenceLayerException: Can not parse
'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse 'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must
be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where 'x' and 'y' are integers. '1'
is not valid.
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.prereq.PreParserFactory.parse(PreParserFactory.java:184)
	 at pcgen.core.bonus.Bonus.newBonus(Bonus.java:285)
	 at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:64)
	 at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:43)
	 at pcgen.rules.persistence.TokenSupport.processToken(TokenSupport.java:60)
	 at pcgen.rules.context.LoadContext.processToken(LoadContext.java:220)
	 at pcgen.persistence.lst.GenericLoader.parseLine(GenericLoader.java:150)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFile(LstObjectFileLoader.java:4\
54)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFiles(LstObjectFileLoader.java:\
117)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:565)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:447)
	 at
pcgen.persistence.PersistenceManager.loadCampaigns(PersistenceManager.java:189)
	 at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.doCampaignLoad(SourceSelectionUtils.java:\
193)
	 at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.access$000(SourceSelectionUtils.java:57)
	 at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils$1.construct(SourceSelectionUtils.java:149\
)
	 at pcgen.util.SwingWorker$2.run(SwingWorker.java:144)
	 at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)

SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Assassin
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Blackguard
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Psion
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Psychic Warrior
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Wilder
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: PCTemplate Monstrous Humanoid
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: PCTemplate Psionic
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Concentration
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Bowmaking)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Dreamweaving)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Gemcutting)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Metalworking)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Stoneworking)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Knowledge (The Planes)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Bookkeeper)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Hunter)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Miner)
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Siege Engineer)
SEVERE More than one Spell with key/name Healer's Vision was built
SEVERE More than one Spell with key/name Holy Storm was built
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Aboleth
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Aquan
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Auran
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Blink Dog
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Drow Sign Language
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Ettin Pidgin
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Formian
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Grimlock
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Ignan
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Maenad
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Sahuagin
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Sphinx
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Telepathy
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Terran
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Treant
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Worg
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Xeph
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: WeaponProf WEAPONPROF
SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Ability Feat Powerful Build
All Done

Anyone know how I would go about updating datasets I purchased from CMP for
PCG5.12 to the new 5.16?

Barring that, does anyone have datasets they have built themselves for the
Complete series and the Spell Compendium for 5.16?

If there was a tutorial out there, I would update a version of the documents
myself...

Thanks.
Joe

Use Barak's Perl Script to upgrade from 5.12 to 5.14, then use the built
in conversion jar in PCGen to go from 5.14 to 5.16

David
Papa.DRB

Grognard (definition 1)
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Joe Medica wrote:
> Anyone know how I would go about updating datasets I purchased from CMP for
PCG5.12 to the new 5.16?
>
> Barring that, does anyone have datasets they have built themselves for the
Complete series and the Spell Compendium for 5.16?
>
> If there was a tutorial out there, I would update a version of the documents
myself...
>
> Thanks.
> Joe
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
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> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
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>
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All,

These are easily resolved. I'm handling the issue with the OP offlist.
But the solution is syntax upgrades and knowing what Pathfinder does and
doesn't use.

Thanks,

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



metukio wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
>
> I'm not quite sure how to send the .zip file, since I don't have your email (I
can only see the part to the @, so I don't know what server I'm supposed to send
it to).
>
> About the error messages, they didn't appear in the 5.16 until I copied the
directory Pathfinder under data/customsources.
> Here's everything I see printed when loading the Pathfinder source material:
>
> LSTWARN Deprecated use of PREHD found:
> LSTWARN The PREHD:+ or PREHD:x-y syntax is no longer supported. The new format
is  'MIN=x', 'MAX=y', or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where x and y are integers. Passed
formala was: 1+
> SEVERE Can not parse 'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse
'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where
'x' and 'y' are integers. '1' is not valid.
> pcgen.persistence.PersistenceLayerException: Can not parse
'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse 'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must
be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where 'x' and 'y' are integers. '1'
is not valid.
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.prereq.PreParserFactory.parse(PreParserFactory.java:184)
>  at pcgen.core.bonus.Bonus.newBonus(Bonus.java:285)
>  at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:64)
>  at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:43)
>  at pcgen.rules.persistence.TokenSupport.processToken(TokenSupport.java:60)
>  at pcgen.rules.context.LoadContext.processToken(LoadContext.java:220)
>  at pcgen.persistence.lst.GenericLoader.parseLine(GenericLoader.java:150)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFile(LstObjectFileLoader.java:4\
54)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFiles(LstObjectFileLoader.java:\
117)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:565)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:447)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.PersistenceManager.loadCampaigns(PersistenceManager.java:189)
>  at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.doCampaignLoad(SourceSelectionUtils.java:\
193)
>  at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.access$000(SourceSelectionUtils.java:57)
>  at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils$1.construct(SourceSelectionUtils.java:149\
)
>  at pcgen.util.SwingWorker$2.run(SwingWorker.java:144)
>  at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
>
> LSTWARN Deprecated use of PREHD found:
> LSTWARN The PREHD:+ or PREHD:x-y syntax is no longer supported. The new format
is  'MIN=x', 'MAX=y', or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where x and y are integers. Passed
formala was: 1+
> SEVERE Can not parse 'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse
'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where
'x' and 'y' are integers. '1' is not valid.
> pcgen.persistence.PersistenceLayerException: Can not parse
'PREMULT:1,[PREHD:1+],[PRELEVEL:1]': Can not parse 'PRELEVEL:1': PRELEVEL must
be either 'MIN=x', 'MAX=y' or 'MIN=x,MAX=y' where 'x' and 'y' are integers. '1'
is not valid.
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.prereq.PreParserFactory.parse(PreParserFactory.java:184)
>  at pcgen.core.bonus.Bonus.newBonus(Bonus.java:285)
>  at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:64)
>  at plugin.lsttokens.BonusLst.parse(BonusLst.java:43)
>  at pcgen.rules.persistence.TokenSupport.processToken(TokenSupport.java:60)
>  at pcgen.rules.context.LoadContext.processToken(LoadContext.java:220)
>  at pcgen.persistence.lst.GenericLoader.parseLine(GenericLoader.java:150)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFile(LstObjectFileLoader.java:4\
54)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstObjectFileLoader.loadLstFiles(LstObjectFileLoader.java:\
117)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:565)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.lst.LstSystemLoader.loadCampaigns(LstSystemLoader.java:447)
>  at
pcgen.persistence.PersistenceManager.loadCampaigns(PersistenceManager.java:189)
>  at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.doCampaignLoad(SourceSelectionUtils.java:\
193)
>  at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils.access$000(SourceSelectionUtils.java:57)
>  at
pcgen.gui.sources.SourceSelectionUtils$1.construct(SourceSelectionUtils.java:149\
)
>  at pcgen.util.SwingWorker$2.run(SwingWorker.java:144)
>  at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
>
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Assassin
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Blackguard
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Psion
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Psychic Warrior
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: ClassSpellList Wilder
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: PCTemplate Monstrous Humanoid
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: PCTemplate Psionic
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Concentration
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Bowmaking)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Dreamweaving)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Gemcutting)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Metalworking)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Craft (Stoneworking)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Knowledge (The Planes)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Bookkeeper)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Hunter)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Miner)
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Skill Profession (Siege Engineer)
> SEVERE More than one Spell with key/name Healer's Vision was built
> SEVERE More than one Spell with key/name Holy Storm was built
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Aboleth
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Aquan
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Auran
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Blink Dog
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Drow Sign Language
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Ettin Pidgin
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Formian
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Grimlock
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Ignan
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Maenad
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Sahuagin
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Sphinx
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Telepathy
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Terran
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Treant
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Worg
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Language Xeph
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: WeaponProf WEAPONPROF
> SEVERE Unconstructed Reference: Ability Feat Powerful Build
> All Done
>
>
>
>
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hi,

i seem to be having a problem with this one... whenever i select to generate a
npc and choose any stats at the first window (or none at all)... it doesn't
generate anything I specify or follow the logic displayed.

Is this a settings issue?

Thanks,
Leon

Welcome to the PCGen Community Leon.

To address your problem it would help we had the following information:

PCGen Version?  (example: 5.16.0)
Java version and provider (Sun vs. other)?

And finally, in the console window, are there any errors messages?

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



leon.offengenden wrote:
> hi,
>
> i seem to be having a problem with this one... whenever i select to generate a
npc and choose any stats at the first window (or none at all)... it doesn't
generate anything I specify or follow the logic displayed.
>
> Is this a settings issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Leon
>
>
>
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I load up PCGen 5.16, load Pathfinder and get no error messages. I then
load any character and I get *pages* of errors similar to these:

Jun 6, 2009 11:07:27 AM
org.lobobrowser.html.test.SimpleHtmlRendererContext warn
WARNING: getUserAgentContext(): Not overridden; returning simple one.
Jun 6, 2009 11:07:30 AM org.lobobrowser.util.gui.FontFactory <init>
INFO: FontFactory(): family=Aharoni
Jun 6, 2009 11:07:30 AM org.lobobrowser.util.gui.FontFactory <init>
INFO: FontFactory(): family=Andalus
Jun 6, 2009 11:07:30 AM org.lobobrowser.util.gui.FontFactory <init>
INFO: FontFactory(): family=Angsana New
Jun 6, 2009 11:07:30 AM org.lobobrowser.util.gui.FontFactory <init>
INFO: FontFactory(): family=AngsanaUPC
Jun 6, 2009 11:07:30 AM org.lobobrowser.util.gui.FontFactory <init>


Is there a setting that I can change to stop the WARN/INFO messages?

Java is correct. Firefox is the browser, although the problem still
happens with IE.

David
Papa.DRB

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<http://home.roadrunner.com/%7Edavidstuff/Grognard.html>
My better half and me
<http://home.roadrunner.com/%7Edavidstuff/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
The Internet: Because None of Us Are As Dumb as All of Us


Tom Parker wrote:
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Bender" <Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
>
>> Here is a snip from my races file:
>>
>> Dwarf.MOD                VISION:Normal        STARTFEATS:2
>> Human.MOD                VISION:Normal        STARTFEATS:3
>> Human.COPY=Human (Chelaxian)
>> Human.COPY=Human (Shoanti)
>> Human.COPY=Human (Varisian)
>> Human.FORGET
>>
>> Several strange things happen.
>> - Create a Dwarf Cleric and he shows up with 3 feats at 1st level
>> instead of 2. Vision=normal shows up
>>
>
> Correct; working as designed.  STARTFEATS is an independent token (this info
hasn't yet made it to the docs, but is available in the Doc Feature Reqeusts,
you can see the Race token info here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2643989&group_id=25576&\
atid=748235 ).  Therefore, you have the equivalent of:
>
> Dwarf <blah> STARTFEATS:1 <tab> STARTFEATS:2
>
> 1+2 = 3, so you're getting what I would expect based on the defined token
behavior for STARTFEATS.
>
> We can debate if this is intuitive, but that's what it does, consistent with
5.12/14.
>
>
>> - Create a Human (Varisian) Cleric and he shows up with 2 feats at 1st
>> level instead of 3. Vision=normal does NOT show up
>>
>
> Correct; working as designed.
>
> Order is COPY, MOD, FORGET, so the COPY occurs before the .MODs, resulting in
the STARTFEATS:2 from Human (and no Vision) in the Human knockoffs.
>
> TP.
>
>
>
>
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Hi Ffolks,

I'm having an issue and curious if you guys have a fix. PCGen is oddly slow on
my machine and it definitely should not be. I'm not an expert with Java and read
something on the executable about the memory used but...

My system specs;
* AMD Phenom™ X4 9850 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
* Single Hard Drive (250GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
* Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe nForce 570 SLI MCP Chipset DDR2/800 MBoard w/ Dual
PCI-Express
* 3GB (3x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Memory
* Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional w/ Service Pack 3
* NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express

As you can see, I have 3gigs of RAM and a whole gig of virtual memory from my
graphics card. My Processor is a quad-core.

Why is PCgen so slow? (A snail's pace, literally!). Is there something I can do?

Thanks,
Joe

Hi

It might be the way you're starting the application.  Java limits the
amount of memory that it uses,
it wouldn't matter if you have 30GB of RAM if you don't tell it to use
morePCGen will run like a dog
with three legs. I'm in work and don't have access to the application,
but there's a batch file for
starting the application, if you look in it there's two numbers which
I think are currently 128 and 256
this means that java will sart wih 128K of memory and never use more
than 256.  Up those numbers
and it should run fine.  Sorry I can't be more specific.

andrew

2009/6/7 Joseph Landolfi <Alyais@...>:
> Hi Ffolks,
>
> I'm having an issue and curious if you guys have a fix. PCGen is oddly slow on
my machine and it definitely should not be. I'm not an expert with Java and read
something on the executable about the memory used but...
>
> My system specs;
> * AMD Phenom™ X4 9850 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport
Technology
> * Single Hard Drive (250GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
> * Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe nForce 570 SLI MCP Chipset DDR2/800 MBoard w/ Dual
PCI-Express
> * 3GB (3x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Memory
> * Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional w/ Service Pack 3
> * NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express
>
> As you can see, I have 3gigs of RAM and a whole gig of virtual memory from my
graphics card. My Processor is a quad-core.
>
> Why is PCgen so slow? (A snail's pace, literally!). Is there something I can
do?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
>
>
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While I've been aware of PCGen's existence for some time, and have even toyed
around with it in the past, I've never used it until very recently. My DM
started a new D&D 3.5 campaign and I figured that starting at Level 1 would make
learning PCGen a lot easier. I was wondering, though, if anyone could help me
with a few issues I've stumbled across.

Notes: First, I've looked over the documentation. However, I have absolutely no
experience in programming of any sort so a lot of the "tech speak" on both the
Wiki and in the actual documentation page of the website is way above my head.
Also, my new character is currently a CL3 Rogue2/Wizard1 dwarf. Finally, I'm
running version 5.16.0 and loading the 35e Game Master's documentation when I
run PCGen.

Any help at all with any or all of the questions listed below would be greatly
appreciated!

Q1: When I leveled up to 3 I added a Wizard level. I figured out how to add a
familiar (took some time) but eventually got it right, and chose a rat for the
+2 Fort bonus as listed in the PHB. However, this bonus is reflected on my sheet
in the miscellaneous column as +4. To test this apparent error I created a new
"fake" character, a level 1 human wizard. Before adding the rat familiar he had
+0 in the misc column; after adding the familiar that changed to a +4. But the
rules in the PHB clearly state a rat only grants a +2 Fort bonus. So is this a
mistake on PCGen's part, or is there some book or errata out there that makes
rat familiars give a +4 rather than a +2? If not (and even, in case my DM
rejects such a change from the printed material), is there a way I can manually
change the Fort bonus rats give in PCGen so that it'll display +2 on the printed
character sheets in the future?

Q2: Is there a way to manually "instruct" the program on how to display weapons
on the printed-out character sheet? All of the crappy weapons I have are listed
first; the ones I actually use are listed at the bottom. Doesn't sound like such
a big deal, but it sort of annoys me.

Q3: Is there a way to create a "blank" field for melee or ranged weapons that
would appear on the printed sheet? I ask this because one of the members of our
group received a magic great-sword during a recent session and he wants to use
PCGen, too, but I can't figure out how to list the special (i.e. a non-RSRD item
the DM created himself) qualities the DM gave the weapon (that it lights up as a
free action, and returns to its wielder when thrown). If there's an easy way to
list these qualities using PCGen, great! If not, a blank melee field would let
my friend write them in himself after printing out the sheet.

Q4: Editing, again. Basically, I think it'd be great if this program made it
easy to edit anything before you hit that "print" key, and I've got to believe
there's some obvious way to do this that I'm too dumb to figure out. For
instance, if I want to select a feat that isn't in the RSRD, shouldn't there be
a way for me to add it anyway by manually entering the information? Say a feat
(making up an extreme example here) that gives a +20 to Will saves while raging
that was included in some late, non-RSRD WotC book. Please don't tell me there's
no way to edit the output file I'm going to print to reflect this! Otherwise,
only people who use straight-up RSRD rules could benefit from this program. And
what self-respecting role-player doesn't buy supplemental books?

Q5: More of a statement here, actually. While I love how PCGen automatically
calculates so much info for me, as a player I'm only using it to print out
(extremely) useful character sheets. My DM is suspicious of the program, now,
because of the situation listed in Q1. He audited the entire character before
the session, and found no other mistakes, but he still has his doubts. I told
him I'd audit him every single level, and let him do the same. That's the only
way I can keep using PCGen for this campaign, and I'm fine with that. I just
really, really wish there was a way for me to fix any rule-inconsistencies in an
easy way. Scribbling away the +4 for the Fort Save (see Q1) with a pencil was
"easy", but it would have been cleaner and more understandable if I could have
edited it on my computer first.

I will award exactly 2,000 Internets and 50,000xp to the first person who can
answer all of the questions listed above. Divide your share of this loot by 5
for every question you do answer (if you can't answer them all) and tell your DM
that Narrinian Goldvein III decided it was so. Then level up your Internets and
CL and love life. :)

Thanks in advance,
John

On Sunday 07 June 2009 06:01:10 narrinian wrote:
> While I've been aware of PCGen's existence for some time, and have even
> toyed around with it in the past, I've never used it until very recently.
> My DM started a new D&D 3.5 campaign and I figured that starting at Level 1
> would make learning PCGen a lot easier. I was wondering, though, if anyone
> could help me with a few issues I've stumbled across.
>
> Notes: First, I've looked over the documentation. However, I have
> absolutely no experience in programming of any sort so a lot of the "tech
> speak" on both the Wiki and in the actual documentation page of the website
> is way above my head. Also, my new character is currently a CL3
> Rogue2/Wizard1 dwarf. Finally, I'm running version 5.16.0 and loading the
> 35e Game Master's documentation when I run PCGen.
>
> Any help at all with any or all of the questions listed below would be
> greatly appreciated!

Well, you're off to a good start.  Providing information with your problems
helps us to help you.  And then there will be cake.  ...  Wait, wrong game.
Anyway, let's see how we can help...

> Q1: When I leveled up to 3 I added a Wizard level. I figured out how to add
> a familiar (took some time) but eventually got it right, and chose a rat
> for the +2 Fort bonus as listed in the PHB. However, this bonus is
> reflected on my sheet in the miscellaneous column as +4. To test this
> apparent error I created a new "fake" character, a level 1 human wizard.
> Before adding the rat familiar he had +0 in the misc column; after adding
> the familiar that changed to a +4. But the rules in the PHB clearly state a
> rat only grants a +2 Fort bonus. So is this a mistake on PCGen's part, or
> is there some book or errata out there that makes rat familiars give a +4
> rather than a +2? If not (and even, in case my DM rejects such a change
> from the printed material), is there a way I can manually change the Fort
> bonus rats give in PCGen so that it'll display +2 on the printed character
> sheets in the future?

I'm not seeing it.  Made a LV 1 Wizard, all 10 stats and slapped a Rat
familiar on him.  I'm only getting a +2.

Just out of curiosity, did you give him the feat "Great Fortitude"?  That's
about the only other thing I could think of off the top of my head that should
be giving a "Misc" bonus.

> Q2: Is there a way to manually "instruct" the program on how to display
> weapons on the printed-out character sheet? All of the crappy weapons I
> have are listed first; the ones I actually use are listed at the bottom.
> Doesn't sound like such a big deal, but it sort of annoys me.

No way that I know of.

> Q3: Is there a way to create a "blank" field for melee or ranged weapons
> that would appear on the printed sheet? I ask this because one of the
> members of our group received a magic great-sword during a recent session
> and he wants to use PCGen, too, but I can't figure out how to list the
> special (i.e. a non-RSRD item the DM created himself) qualities the DM gave
> the weapon (that it lights up as a free action, and returns to its wielder
> when thrown). If there's an easy way to list these qualities using PCGen,
> great! If not, a blank melee field would let my friend write them in
> himself after printing out the sheet.

I don't believe any of them do that.  However, there is a way to add in the
information.  In the inventory screen, first select "Ignore Cost" in the lower
right corner.  Second, choose a great sword.  Right-click on it and select in
the pop-up menu "Create Custom Item".  A screen will pop up, and from there,
you can add various properties to it, such as adding a +1.  For a property
that's not coded in, click on the SProp button.  This will allow you to type
in what you want, such as "Lights up as a free action, Returns when thrown".

> Q4: Editing, again. Basically, I think it'd be great if this program made
> it easy to edit anything before you hit that "print" key, and I've got to
> believe there's some obvious way to do this that I'm too dumb to figure
> out. For instance, if I want to select a feat that isn't in the RSRD,
> shouldn't there be a way for me to add it anyway by manually entering the
> information? Say a feat (making up an extreme example here) that gives a
> +20 to Will saves while raging that was included in some late, non-RSRD
> WotC book. Please don't tell me there's no way to edit the output file I'm
> going to print to reflect this! Otherwise, only people who use straight-up
> RSRD rules could benefit from this program. And what self-respecting
> role-player doesn't buy supplemental books?

PCGen only includes sources that or OGL compliant, and every source we do
include is with permission.  All of WotC's books are closed content, which
prevents us from supplying code for them.  This is where you'll need to learn
PCGen's coding if you want to add your own stuff.

We give advice for helping to code sources on our List Help Y! group.
Questions you'd have should be directed there.  Just don't ask for the item
directly.  For example, if you wanted ask how to code a certain feat, like the
on you mentioned above, ask:
"How do I grant a +20 will save when a character is raging?"
...to which one of us might reply reply:
"The best way would be to code the feat to give the output that the character
gets a +20 Will save when raging.  You could then add a MOD..."
...and so on.

> Q5: More of a statement here, actually. While I love how PCGen
> automatically calculates so much info for me, as a player I'm only using it
> to print out (extremely) useful character sheets. My DM is suspicious of
> the program, now, because of the situation listed in Q1. He audited the
> entire character before the session, and found no other mistakes, but he
> still has his doubts. I told him I'd audit him every single level, and let
> him do the same. That's the only way I can keep using PCGen for this
> campaign, and I'm fine with that. I just really, really wish there was a
> way for me to fix any rule-inconsistencies in an easy way. Scribbling away
> the +4 for the Fort Save (see Q1) with a pencil was "easy", but it would
> have been cleaner and more understandable if I could have edited it on my
> computer first.

We're glad you like it.  Tell your DM he can use it to stat out NPCs,
especially the big tough ones.

Hi,

On 7/06/2009 10:53 PM Michael W. Fender wrote
> On Sunday 07 June 2009 06:01:10 narrinian wrote:
>
>> While I've been aware of PCGen's existence for some time, and have even
>> toyed around with it in the past, I've never used it until very recently.
>> My DM started a new D&D 3.5 campaign and I figured that starting at Level 1
>> would make learning PCGen a lot easier. I was wondering, though, if anyone
>> could help me with a few issues I've stumbled across.
>>
>> Notes: First, I've looked over the documentation. However, I have
>> absolutely no experience in programming of any sort so a lot of the "tech
>> speak" on both the Wiki and in the actual documentation page of the website
>> is way above my head. Also, my new character is currently a CL3
>> Rogue2/Wizard1 dwarf. Finally, I'm running version 5.16.0 and loading the
>> 35e Game Master's documentation when I run PCGen.
>>
>> Any help at all with any or all of the questions listed below would be
>> greatly appreciated!
>>
>
> Well, you're off to a good start.  Providing information with your problems
> helps us to help you.  And then there will be cake.  ...  Wait, wrong game.
> Anyway, let's see how we can help...
>
>
>> Q1: When I leveled up to 3 I added a Wizard level. I figured out how to add
>> a familiar (took some time) but eventually got it right, and chose a rat
>> for the +2 Fort bonus as listed in the PHB. However, this bonus is
>> reflected on my sheet in the miscellaneous column as +4. To test this
>> apparent error I created a new "fake" character, a level 1 human wizard.
>> Before adding the rat familiar he had +0 in the misc column; after adding
>> the familiar that changed to a +4. But the rules in the PHB clearly state a
>> rat only grants a +2 Fort bonus. So is this a mistake on PCGen's part, or
>> is there some book or errata out there that makes rat familiars give a +4
>> rather than a +2? If not (and even, in case my DM rejects such a change
>> from the printed material), is there a way I can manually change the Fort
>> bonus rats give in PCGen so that it'll display +2 on the printed character
>> sheets in the future?
>>
>
> I'm not seeing it.  Made a LV 1 Wizard, all 10 stats and slapped a Rat
> familiar on him.  I'm only getting a +2.
>
> Just out of curiosity, did you give him the feat "Great Fortitude"?  That's
> about the only other thing I could think of off the top of my head that should
> be giving a "Misc" bonus.
>
One option here is that there is a troubleshooting HTML (aka standard)
output sheet that shows the breakdown of where things come from. That
might also help with your GMs suspicion of the program.

>> Q2: Is there a way to manually "instruct" the program on how to display
>> weapons on the printed-out character sheet? All of the crappy weapons I
>> have are listed first; the ones I actually use are listed at the bottom.
>> Doesn't sound like such a big deal, but it sort of annoys me.
>>
>
> No way that I know of.
>
>
There is an output order column on the equipment tab, Simply change the
weapons you want to see to be 1, 2 and 3 in order or at least less than
any other weapons.

Cheers,
James.