Hi,

GM doesn't load APG

On 11/17/2012 12:06 PM, Kristopher wrote:
> JIRA created at: http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/DATA-774 with a screen shot of
the described error.
>
> I'll get back to you on the Java version.
>
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Bender" <Papa.DRB@...> wrote:
>> Please open a Jira and attach the .pcg file.
>>
>> Also, what Java version are you using?
>>
>> -- david
>> Papa.DRB
>>
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>>
>> Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhcfFekSbHQ&ob=av3e>
>>
>> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
>> For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
>> believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
>> On 11/17/2012 10:35 AM, Kristopher wrote:
>>> I'm using PCGen 6.00.0, and running Pathfinder RPG for Game Masters data.
>>>
>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Which version are you loading?
>>>> What data Sets?
>>>>
>>>> Raise a JIRA - (http://jira.pcgen.org) and let's call it a Data Bug for now
(Usually this would be
>>>> code, but I'll take a look at it for you - just attach the character file
in question.). Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2012 9:08 AM, Kristopher wrote:
>>>>> I made a character in PCGen 5.16.4, or something like that, ages ago. 
After that one bugged out, I decided to get a new version, and check it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> My character is an Elf Rogue, and whenever I made the character, I was
told I had too many racial traits (looking into that, I see it was just a
difference in the way it's presented) so I took care of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then it told me Traits needed to be selected, so I went to that tab and...
the traits to add aren't there.  At all.  The only think I have is "Traits"
listed on the area of Traits I already possess.  I searched through this board,
and couldn't find anything pertaining to this, so I wasn't sure if it was simply
something I screwed up doing, or what.  I am more than willing to provide a
screen shot of the oddities, if need be.  However, it looks as though this may
have affected the Trait I already had placed on the character, so I want to make
sure it all didn't bug everywhere.
>
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Since I just found out that I could change the source books for them, I went
ahead and switched my character out of the GM mode.  Thank you for telling me
that.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> GM doesn't load APG
>
> On 11/17/2012 12:06 PM, Kristopher wrote:
> > JIRA created at: http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/DATA-774 with a screen shot of
the described error.
> >
> > I'll get back to you on the Java version.
> >
> > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "David R. Bender" <Papa.DRB@> wrote:
> >> Please open a Jira and attach the .pcg file.
> >>
> >> Also, what Java version are you using?
> >>
> >> -- david
> >> Papa.DRB
> >>
> >> My better half and me (jpg)
> >>
<https://picasaweb.google.com/102726903532570043857/Family#slideshow/55330569489\
10114610>
> >>
> >> Love Me If You Can by Toby Keith (video)
> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhcfFekSbHQ&ob=av3e>
> >>
> >> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
> >> For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't
> >> believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase 1888-1985)
> >> On 11/17/2012 10:35 AM, Kristopher wrote:
> >>> I'm using PCGen 6.00.0, and running Pathfinder RPG for Game Masters data.
> >>>
> >>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew <drew0500@> wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Which version are you loading?
> >>>> What data Sets?
> >>>>
> >>>> Raise a JIRA - (http://jira.pcgen.org) and let's call it a Data Bug for
now (Usually this would be
> >>>> code, but I'll take a look at it for you - just attach the character file
in question.). Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/16/2012 9:08 AM, Kristopher wrote:
> >>>>> I made a character in PCGen 5.16.4, or something like that, ages ago. 
After that one bugged out, I decided to get a new version, and check it out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My character is an Elf Rogue, and whenever I made the character, I was
told I had too many racial traits (looking into that, I see it was just a
difference in the way it's presented) so I took care of that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then it told me Traits needed to be selected, so I went to that tab
and... the traits to add aren't there.  At all.  The only think I have is
"Traits" listed on the area of Traits I already possess.  I searched through
this board, and couldn't find anything pertaining to this, so I wasn't sure if
it was simply something I screwed up doing, or what.  I am more than willing to
provide a screen shot of the oddities, if need be.  However, it looks as though
this may have affected the Trait I already had placed on the character, so I
want to make sure it all didn't bug everywhere.
> >
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I'm seeing a potential issue here. I've been posting to several threads on PCGen
lately and new users aren't realizing that they can load more books than what
are listed in the basic screen. Maybe we need to re-label the tabs since this
screen is now the default.

Basic -> Base Books

Or something similar. I don't think we need to throw gamemode in there because
new users "probably" won't get it and current users don't ned to understand it

Advanced -> Additional Books

This I'm not sure how else it could be worded.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Kristopher" <ioudasomnis@...> wrote:
>
> Since I just found out that I could change the source books for them, I went
ahead and switched my character out of the GM mode.  Thank you for telling me
that.
>

Umm exactly what is the purpose of these bows?

Hi,
So far, I have been making various bug reports and feature requests mostly
directly over at JIRA--I hope that is OK. Should feature requests, in
particular, be run through the Yahoo list first, or does it matter?

A small feature request I was thinking about would be to be able to "Add" or
"Attach" existing companions, such as a pre-made (and equipped) mount or
follower, instead of having to "create" a new one every time.

Thanks, Matt

The default composite bow (+0) needs a +0 strength modifier to use with
proficiency but has a greater range increment than a regular bow. A default
composite longbow, for example, needs a strength 10 but it has a range increment
of 110 feet, greater than the 100 feat of a regular longbow. It also costs 100
GP instead of 75.

~~ Matt

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@...> wrote:
>
> Umm exactly what is the purpose of these bows?
>

Just started using PCGen. In creating a new character: Sea Elf(custom race),
Bard, INT 17(so, I should get 3 bonus languages). When I click on the button to
add bonus language, the window comes up, says I have 3 bonus languages to
select, but the list of available languages is empty.
What am I missing? I've checked/enabled the house rule Allow selection of Int
bonus Languages after 1st level(INTBONUSLANG).

Hi Michael,

On 19/11/2012 3:09 PM Michael wrote
> Just started using PCGen. In creating a new character: Sea Elf(custom race),
Bard, INT 17(so, I should get 3 bonus languages). When I click on the button to
add bonus language, the window comes up, says I have 3 bonus languages to
select, but the list of available languages is empty.
> What am I missing? I've checked/enabled the house rule Allow selection of Int
bonus Languages after 1st level(INTBONUSLANG).
You'll also need to define the bonus languages that your custom race can
choose from. e.g. LANGBONUS:Giant,Gnome,Goblin,Orc,Terran,Undercommon

Cheers,
James.

Hi Matt,

On 19/11/2012 3:45 PM Matt C wrote
> Hi,
> So far, I have been making various bug reports and feature requests mostly
directly over at JIRA--I hope that is OK. Should feature requests, in
particular, be run through the Yahoo list first, or does it matter?

It can be raised on either. Sometimes the list is a good place to sound
out an idea to get it to the stage where it is ready for recording in Jira.

> A small feature request I was thinking about would be to be able to "Add" or
"Attach" existing companions, such as a pre-made (and equipped) mount or
follower, instead of having to "create" a new one every time.

Yes that's a good suggestion - Andrew beat you to it though :)

CODE-1463 <http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-1463> Companion - Ability
to Load an existing Companion from file
<http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-1463>

Cheers,
James.


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> > A small feature request I was thinking about would be to be able to
> "Add" or "Attach" existing companions, such as a pre-made (and equipped)
> mount or follower, instead of having to "create" a new one every time.
>
> Yes that's a good suggestion - Andrew beat you to it though :)
>
> CODE-1463 <http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-1463> Companion - Ability
> to Load an existing Companion from file
> <http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-1463>
>


A bit larger would be to be able to level up the companion as your main
character levels up. And to have the companion permanently paired with the
character (until you release it).

Best,

Henk


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Hi Henk,

What do you mean? Currently, if you level the Main Character, the Companion is
leveled as per the
specifics of it's progression.

As an aside, you can also level up the companion creature until you hit the HD
cap which is set in
the companion. (3.5e mainly as Pathfinder doesn't allow this function).

On 11/19/2012 12:57 AM, Henk Slaaf wrote:
>>> A small feature request I was thinking about would be to be able to
>> "Add" or "Attach" existing companions, such as a pre-made (and equipped)
>> mount or follower, instead of having to "create" a new one every time.
>>
>> Yes that's a good suggestion - Andrew beat you to it though :)
>>
>> CODE-1463 <http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-1463> Companion - Ability
>> to Load an existing Companion from file
>> <http://jira.pcgen.org/browse/CODE-1463>
>>
> A bit larger would be to be able to level up the companion as your main
> character levels up. And to have the companion permanently paired with the
> character (until you release it).
>
> Best,
>
> Henk
>
>
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Greetings,

This would be the one you'd normally customise to make a 'mighty' composite
longbow, hadn't actually realised that the '+0' version was actually a valid
item... in fact, is it valid to have as +0?

I thought you had to customise to give it a positive modifier...(like 'wand' and
'potion' - can't use the actual item, but needed to customise it first)...

As a semi-related note, could we flag in the GUI equipment that exist, but must
be customised to be used (like wand/potion/gem) make them italic or something
(they do give a dialog if you try and select them without customising)

Cheers
D

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Matt C" <mbchambers@...> wrote:
>
> The default composite bow (+0) needs a +0 strength modifier to use with
proficiency but has a greater range increment than a regular bow. A default
composite longbow, for example, needs a strength 10 but it has a range increment
of 110 feet, greater than the 100 feat of a regular longbow. It also costs 100
GP instead of 75.
>
> ~~ Matt
>
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@> wrote:
> >
> > Umm exactly what is the purpose of these bows?
> >
>

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "FerretDave" <ferret.griffin@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> This would be the one you'd normally customise to make a 'mighty' composite
longbow, hadn't actually realised that the '+0' version was actually a valid
item... in fact, is it valid to have as +0?
>
> I thought you had to customise to give it a positive modifier...(like 'wand'
and 'potion' - can't use the actual item, but needed to customise it first)...
>
> As a semi-related note, could we flag in the GUI equipment that exist, but
must be customised to be used (like wand/potion/gem) make them italic or
something (they do give a dialog if you try and select them without customising)
>
> Cheers
> D
>
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Matt C" <mbchambers@> wrote:
> >
> > The default composite bow (+0) needs a +0 strength modifier to use with
proficiency but has a greater range increment than a regular bow. A default
composite longbow, for example, needs a strength 10 but it has a range increment
of 110 feet, greater than the 100 feat of a regular longbow. It also costs 100
GP instead of 75.
> >
> > ~~ Matt
> >
> > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Umm exactly what is the purpose of these bows?
> > >
> >
>
According to D&D 3E, +0 is the default composite longbow, so yes, it is valid.

I have a question about RSRD prestige classes: Are they all limited in level
advancement, or does it vary by class?

In my testing of PCGen, the Hierophant was limited to the 5 levels showing in
the RSRD table, but the Mystic Theurge, which has 10 levels showing, was able to
reach 14th level (at least).

At least with Mystic Theurge, the pattern is easily determined and extrapolated.
Others, though, seem to have a fixed ending with top-level benefits (e.g. Arcane
Archer or Loremaster, which I haven't yet tested).

Thanks, Matt

Hi,

If you load the just the regular rules, then you are limited to the 5 or 10
levels of the prestige
classes. If you load the epic rules, you have unlimited progression.

On 11/19/2012 3:54 PM, Matt C wrote:
> I have a question about RSRD prestige classes: Are they all limited in level
advancement, or does it vary by class?
>
> In my testing of PCGen, the Hierophant was limited to the 5 levels showing in
the RSRD table, but the Mystic Theurge, which has 10 levels showing, was able to
reach 14th level (at least).
>
> At least with Mystic Theurge, the pattern is easily determined and
extrapolated. Others, though, seem to have a fixed ending with top-level
benefits (e.g. Arcane Archer or Loremaster, which I haven't yet tested).
>
> Thanks, Matt
>
>
>
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Okay, DeathQuaker is reporting that you can't modify that bow and was confused
by that.

And yes it can't be modified.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "senseileroof" <senseileroof@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "FerretDave" <ferret.griffin@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > This would be the one you'd normally customise to make a 'mighty' composite
longbow, hadn't actually realised that the '+0' version was actually a valid
item... in fact, is it valid to have as +0?
> >
> > I thought you had to customise to give it a positive modifier...(like 'wand'
and 'potion' - can't use the actual item, but needed to customise it first)...
> >
> > As a semi-related note, could we flag in the GUI equipment that exist, but
must be customised to be used (like wand/potion/gem) make them italic or
something (they do give a dialog if you try and select them without customising)
> >
> > Cheers
> > D
> >
> > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Matt C" <mbchambers@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The default composite bow (+0) needs a +0 strength modifier to use with
proficiency but has a greater range increment than a regular bow. A default
composite longbow, for example, needs a strength 10 but it has a range increment
of 110 feet, greater than the 100 feat of a regular longbow. It also costs 100
GP instead of 75.
> > >
> > > ~~ Matt
> > >
> > > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <nylanfs@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Umm exactly what is the purpose of these bows?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> According to D&D 3E, +0 is the default composite longbow, so yes, it is valid.
>

On Monday 19 November 2012 19:05, Andrew wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If you load the just the regular rules, then you are limited to the 5 or 10
> levels of the prestige classes. If you load the epic rules, you have
> unlimited progression.

Hopefully that only applies to the 10+ level prestige classes, prestige
classes with fewer than 10 levels are capped even when using epic rules:

"A ten-level prestige class beyond can also be advanced beyond 10th level, but
only if the character level of the advancing character is already 20th or
higher. A class with fewer than ten levels cannot be advanced beyond the
maximum described for that class, regardless of the character level of the
advancing character."  (RSRD)

The reason being that the 3 and 5 level prestige classes didn't have any point
for you to go farther and/or didn't have enough time to establish patterns
for continuing to gain abilities.  (The one 7 level one was also thematically
linked to having exactly that many.)

--
		 Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)

The Loremaster "Secrets" that give save bonuses are shown on the standard and
troubleshooting character sheets as adding to the "Base". Would it make more
sense to add to the Saves from the "Misc." category?

I would think the Base would remain constant, based on character class and
level, and the other categories would modify the base.

Also, the mostly-equivalent feats (Great Fortitude, Iron Will, and Lightning
Reflexes) each add to the Saves from the Misc. category.

Thanks, Matt

Hi!  I am posting here to be a brand spankin' new Data Monkey volunteer!

I think I need to be set up (or so Nylanfs told me on the Paizo messageboards).

Can't wait to start!

Hi there,

I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a mount for a
character.  I need it to be created such that I can print out a sheet for it (or
at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.

I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to get the
hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse.  They were in
the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.

I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then there are no
stats for it that I can find.

I'm just not sure how to go about doing this.  Help?


Shannon

Hi Pendin Fust,

Welcome aboard.

I'll contact you off list to get the details worked out.

Cheers,

On 11/20/2012 9:59 AM, pendin_fust wrote:
> Hi!  I am posting here to be a brand spankin' new Data Monkey volunteer!
>
> I think I need to be set up (or so Nylanfs told me on the Paizo
messageboards).
>
> Can't wait to start!
>
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Hi Shannon,

I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.

Assuming - Pathfinder
You added the War-trained Template?

I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the Attack
Bonus and Damage should
change.

I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.

Cheers,

On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a mount for
a character.  I need it to be created such that I can print out a sheet for it
(or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
>
> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to get the
hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse.  They were in
the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
>
> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then there are
no stats for it that I can find.
>
> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this.  Help?
>
>
> Shannon
>
>
>
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Pathfinder is correct.

I do not see any War-trained template.  It does have the Advanced Creature
(Heavy Horse) template.  The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which should
be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.

Is there a way to adjust that manually?


Shannon

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Shannon,
>
> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
>
> Assuming - Pathfinder
> You added the War-trained Template?
>
> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
> Attack Bonus and Damage should
> change.
>
> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print out a
> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
> >
> > I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to get
> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse. They
> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
> >
> > I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
> there are no stats for it that I can find.
> >
> > I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
> >
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Related Lists
> > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
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> http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
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Pathfinder is correct.

I do not see any War-trained template.  It does have the Advanced Creature
(Heavy Horse) template.  The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which should
be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.

Is there a way to adjust that manually?


Shannon

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Shannon,
>
> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
>
> Assuming - Pathfinder
> You added the War-trained Template?
>
> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
> Attack Bonus and Damage should
> change.
>
> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print out a
> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
> >
> > I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to get
> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse. They
> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
> >
> > I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
> there are no stats for it that I can find.
> >
> > I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
> >
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Related Lists
> > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> > PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links:
> http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
> > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> > PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
> >
> >
> > PCGen List File Help:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
> >
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> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> > (for new official data source development)
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hi,

Something is off on the horse. I've raised a Code Bug and am investigating what
can be done to fix it.

On 11/20/2012 2:22 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
> Pathfinder is correct.
>
> I do not see any War-trained template.  It does have the Advanced Creature
> (Heavy Horse) template.  The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which should
> be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.
>
> Is there a way to adjust that manually?
>
>
> Shannon
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi Shannon,
>>
>> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
>>
>> Assuming - Pathfinder
>> You added the War-trained Template?
>>
>> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
>> Attack Bonus and Damage should
>> change.
>>
>> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
>> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print out a
>> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
>>> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to get
>> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse. They
>> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
>>> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
>> there are no stats for it that I can find.
>>> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
>>>
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Related Lists
>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
>>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links:
>> http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
>>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
>>>
>>>
>>> PCGen List File Help:
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
>>>
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>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
>>> (for new official data source development)
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
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>>
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One thing that's pretty funky is that the Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse)
template seems to be adding a +6 bonus to Natural Armor when it should be a
+2.  It also adds +4 to Int when it shouldn't add anything.

I've been trying to locate the actual template to see if I can manually
modify it but haven't had much luck in finding it.


Shannon

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Something is off on the horse. I've raised a Code Bug and am investigating
> what can be done to fix it.
>
>
> On 11/20/2012 2:22 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
> > Pathfinder is correct.
> >
> > I do not see any War-trained template. It does have the Advanced Creature
> > (Heavy Horse) template. The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which
> should
> > be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.
> >
> > Is there a way to adjust that manually?
> >
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Shannon,
> >>
> >> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
> >>
> >> Assuming - Pathfinder
> >> You added the War-trained Template?
> >>
> >> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
> >> Attack Bonus and Damage should
> >> change.
> >>
> >> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
> >> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print
> out a
> >> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
> >>> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to
> get
> >> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse. They
> >> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
> >>> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
> >> there are no stats for it that I can find.
> >>> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Shannon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Related Lists
> >>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> >>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links:
> >> http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
> >>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> >>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> PCGen List File Help:
> >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> >>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
> >>>
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> >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> >>> (for new official data source development)
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
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> >> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Hi,

Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse)    CR:1                       
PRERACE:1,Companion (Horse),Horse

         BONUS:COMBAT|AC|2|TYPE=NaturalArmor.STACK
BONUS:STAT|STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA|4    BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Hoof|DAMAGESIZE|1
BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|TOHIT|-5    BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|DAMAGE|-ceil(STR/2)
NATURALATTACKS:Bite,Weapon.Natural.Melee.Slashing.Bludgeoning.Piercing,*1,1d4

Interesting, the template from Pathfinder says:


     Advanced Creature (CR +1)

Creatures with the advanced template are fiercer and more powerful than their
ordinary cousins.

*Quick Rules*: +2 on all rolls (including damage rolls) and special ability DCs;
+4 to AC and CMD;
+2 hp/HD.

*Rebuild Rules*: *AC* increase natural armor by +2; *Ability Scores* +4 to all
ability scores
(except Int scores of 2 or less).

So, the +4 Int is wrong.



On 11/20/2012 3:38 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
> One thing that's pretty funky is that the Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse)
> template seems to be adding a +6 bonus to Natural Armor when it should be a
> +2.  It also adds +4 to Int when it shouldn't add anything.
>
> I've been trying to locate the actual template to see if I can manually
> modify it but haven't had much luck in finding it.
>
>
> Shannon
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Something is off on the horse. I've raised a Code Bug and am investigating
>> what can be done to fix it.
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/2012 2:22 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
>>> Pathfinder is correct.
>>>
>>> I do not see any War-trained template. It does have the Advanced Creature
>>> (Heavy Horse) template. The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which
>> should
>>> be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to adjust that manually?
>>>
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>
>>>> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Assuming - Pathfinder
>>>> You added the War-trained Template?
>>>>
>>>> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
>>>> Attack Bonus and Damage should
>>>> change.
>>>>
>>>> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
>>>> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print
>> out a
>>>> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
>>>>> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to
>> get
>>>> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse. They
>>>> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
>>>>> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
>>>> there are no stats for it that I can find.
>>>>> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Related Lists
>>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
>>>>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links:
>>>> http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
>>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
>>>>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PCGen List File Help:
>>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
>>>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
>>>>>
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>>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
>>>>> (for new official data source development)
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
>>>> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Right.  And something about the way it's applying the AC bonus is messed up
too because, although it says it's adding 2, it actually adds 6.  When you
look at the horse's AC before applying the template, Natural Armor is +0.
After applying the template, it's +6.


Shannon

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse) CR:1 PRERACE:1,Companion (Horse),Horse
>
> BONUS:COMBAT|AC|2|TYPE=NaturalArmor.STACK
> BONUS:STAT|STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA|4 BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Hoof|DAMAGESIZE|1
> BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|TOHIT|-5 BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|DAMAGE|-ceil(STR/2)
>
> NATURALATTACKS:Bite,Weapon.Natural.Melee.Slashing.Bludgeoning.Piercing,*1,1d4
>
> Interesting, the template from Pathfinder says:
>
> Advanced Creature (CR +1)
>
> Creatures with the advanced template are fiercer and more powerful than
> their ordinary cousins.
>
> *Quick Rules*: +2 on all rolls (including damage rolls) and special
> ability DCs; +4 to AC and CMD;
> +2 hp/HD.
>
> *Rebuild Rules*: *AC* increase natural armor by +2; *Ability Scores* +4 to
> all ability scores
> (except Int scores of 2 or less).
>
> So, the +4 Int is wrong.
>
>
> On 11/20/2012 3:38 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
> > One thing that's pretty funky is that the Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse)
> > template seems to be adding a +6 bonus to Natural Armor when it should
> be a
> > +2. It also adds +4 to Int when it shouldn't add anything.
> >
> > I've been trying to locate the actual template to see if I can manually
> > modify it but haven't had much luck in finding it.
> >
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Something is off on the horse. I've raised a Code Bug and am
> investigating
> >> what can be done to fix it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2012 2:22 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
> >>> Pathfinder is correct.
> >>>
> >>> I do not see any War-trained template. It does have the Advanced
> Creature
> >>> (Heavy Horse) template. The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which
> >> should
> >>> be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to adjust that manually?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Shannon
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> **
> >>>> Hi Shannon,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Assuming - Pathfinder
> >>>> You added the War-trained Template?
> >>>>
> >>>> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
> >>>> Attack Bonus and Damage should
> >>>> change.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
> >>>>> Hi there,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
> >>>> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print
> >> out a
> >>>> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
> >>>>> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to
> >> get
> >>>> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse.
> They
> >>>> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
> >>>>> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
> >>>> there are no stats for it that I can find.
> >>>>> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shannon
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Related Lists
> >>>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> >>>>> PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links:
> >>>> http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
> >>>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> >>>>> PCGen's JIRA Tracker: http://jira.pcgen.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PCGen List File Help:
> >>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> >>>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PCGen Experimental:
> >>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> >>>>> (for new official data source development)
> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> >>>> Admin Silverback - PCGen Board of Directors
> >>>> Data 2nd, Docs Tamarin, OS Lemur
> >>>> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
> >>>> Unique Title "The Torturer of PCGen"
> >>>>
> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> --
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Yeah, there is something seriously messed up. I'm trying to peel the layers
back.

1) Horse should not have any bite attack until the Advanced Template or Trained
for Combat

This might take awhile.



On 11/20/2012 4:06 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
> Right.  And something about the way it's applying the AC bonus is messed up
> too because, although it says it's adding 2, it actually adds 6.  When you
> look at the horse's AC before applying the template, Natural Armor is +0.
> After applying the template, it's +6.
>
>
> Shannon
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse) CR:1 PRERACE:1,Companion (Horse),Horse
>>
>> BONUS:COMBAT|AC|2|TYPE=NaturalArmor.STACK
>> BONUS:STAT|STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA|4 BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Hoof|DAMAGESIZE|1
>> BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|TOHIT|-5 BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|DAMAGE|-ceil(STR/2)
>>
>> NATURALATTACKS:Bite,Weapon.Natural.Melee.Slashing.Bludgeoning.Piercing,*1,1d4
>>
>> Interesting, the template from Pathfinder says:
>>
>> Advanced Creature (CR +1)
>>
>> Creatures with the advanced template are fiercer and more powerful than
>> their ordinary cousins.
>>
>> *Quick Rules*: +2 on all rolls (including damage rolls) and special
>> ability DCs; +4 to AC and CMD;
>> +2 hp/HD.
>>
>> *Rebuild Rules*: *AC* increase natural armor by +2; *Ability Scores* +4 to
>> all ability scores
>> (except Int scores of 2 or less).
>>
>> So, the +4 Int is wrong.
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/2012 3:38 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
>>> One thing that's pretty funky is that the Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse)
>>> template seems to be adding a +6 bonus to Natural Armor when it should
>> be a
>>> +2. It also adds +4 to Int when it shouldn't add anything.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to locate the actual template to see if I can manually
>>> modify it but haven't had much luck in finding it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Something is off on the horse. I've raised a Code Bug and am
>> investigating
>>>> what can be done to fix it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2012 2:22 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
>>>>> Pathfinder is correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not see any War-trained template. It does have the Advanced
>> Creature
>>>>> (Heavy Horse) template. The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which
>>>> should
>>>>> be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to adjust that manually?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming - Pathfinder
>>>>>> You added the War-trained Template?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
>>>>>> Attack Bonus and Damage should
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
>>>>>> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print
>>>> out a
>>>>>> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
>>>>>>> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to
>>>> get
>>>>>> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse.
>> They
>>>>>> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
>>>>>>> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
>>>>>> there are no stats for it that I can find.
>>>>>>> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Hi,

So, it would appear when you type horse you get the animal companion version.
I'll see about
altering that so it's not selectable as a standard critter.

On 11/20/2012 4:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
> Yeah, there is something seriously messed up. I'm trying to peel the layers
back.
>
> 1) Horse should not have any bite attack until the Advanced Template or
Trained for Combat
>
> This might take awhile.
>
>
>
> On 11/20/2012 4:06 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
>> Right.  And something about the way it's applying the AC bonus is messed up
>> too because, although it says it's adding 2, it actually adds 6.  When you
>> look at the horse's AC before applying the template, Natural Armor is +0.
>> After applying the template, it's +6.
>>
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse) CR:1 PRERACE:1,Companion (Horse),Horse
>>>
>>> BONUS:COMBAT|AC|2|TYPE=NaturalArmor.STACK
>>> BONUS:STAT|STR,DEX,CON,INT,WIS,CHA|4 BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Hoof|DAMAGESIZE|1
>>> BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|TOHIT|-5 BONUS:WEAPONPROF=Bite|DAMAGE|-ceil(STR/2)
>>>
>>>
NATURALATTACKS:Bite,Weapon.Natural.Melee.Slashing.Bludgeoning.Piercing,*1,1d4
>>>
>>> Interesting, the template from Pathfinder says:
>>>
>>> Advanced Creature (CR +1)
>>>
>>> Creatures with the advanced template are fiercer and more powerful than
>>> their ordinary cousins.
>>>
>>> *Quick Rules*: +2 on all rolls (including damage rolls) and special
>>> ability DCs; +4 to AC and CMD;
>>> +2 hp/HD.
>>>
>>> *Rebuild Rules*: *AC* increase natural armor by +2; *Ability Scores* +4 to
>>> all ability scores
>>> (except Int scores of 2 or less).
>>>
>>> So, the +4 Int is wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2012 3:38 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
>>>> One thing that's pretty funky is that the Advanced Creature (Heavy Horse)
>>>> template seems to be adding a +6 bonus to Natural Armor when it should
>>> be a
>>>> +2. It also adds +4 to Int when it shouldn't add anything.
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to locate the actual template to see if I can manually
>>>> modify it but haven't had much luck in finding it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shannon
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Something is off on the horse. I've raised a Code Bug and am
>>> investigating
>>>>> what can be done to fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/20/2012 2:22 PM, Shannon Sullivan wrote:
>>>>>> Pathfinder is correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not see any War-trained template. It does have the Advanced
>>> Creature
>>>>>> (Heavy Horse) template. The hooves have an attack bonus of +0 which
>>>>> should
>>>>>> be +5 for a war-trained heavy horse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to adjust that manually?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Andrew <drew0500@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm researching your issue, but I'm at work, so it might be a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assuming - Pathfinder
>>>>>>> You added the War-trained Template?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know the Hooves will still say they are secondary attacks, but the
>>>>>>> Attack Bonus and Damage should
>>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll get back to you when I have a full answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/20/2012 1:26 PM, apo11y0n wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm having a heck of a time adding a horse, heavy (war-trained) as a
>>>>>>> mount for a character. I need it to be created such that I can print
>>>>> out a
>>>>>>> sheet for it (or at least a statblock) to keep with the PC sheet.
>>>>>>>> I tried creating it as a companion but could not figure out a way to
>>>>> get
>>>>>>> the hooves to be primary attacks, as they should be for a warhorse.
>>> They
>>>>>>> were in the Natural-secondary container and couldn't be moved.
>>>>>>>> I tried adding a Horse (Heavy/Combat) as an inventory item but then
>>>>>>> there are no stats for it that I can find.
>>>>>>>> I'm just not sure how to go about doing this. Help?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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