Hi,





equipment file of course :)



On 12/21/2010 6:29 PM, swiftbrook8 wrote:

> which file is the Tower Shield penalty data suppose to be in?  I can just add

it myself until the next update.

>

>

> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland<drew0500@...>  wrote:

>> Hi,

>>

>> I'll see if the penalty is in place. I fixed that for 35e, but PF I wasn't

sure about at the time,

>> and I didn't code the equipment.

>>

>>

>> On 12/21/2010 8:52 AM, Picho wrote:

>>> I'm thinking its because its not "employed" in combat all the time, thus it

doesn't calculate it in. Course what other effect of attacking is there other

than combat?

>>>

>>> Is it calculating the AC bonus the TS gives?

>>>

>>>

>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "swiftbrook8"<swiftbrook@>   wrote:

>>>> Exactly,

>>>>

>>>> Search these boards and you will find the discussion (which I don't want to

rediscuss), or the Wizards site. basically:

>>>>

>>>> Proficient in Tower Shield = -2 To Hit

>>>> Not Proficient in Tower Shield = -12 To Hit (-10 not prof -2 for shield

itself)

>>>>

>>>> The -2 is not being calculated it.

>>>> I changed to a Paladin, dropped the weapon focus.  My +5 To Hit dropped to

-5 To Hit.

>>>>

>>>> Either I have something else in wrong, or it's a bug.

>>>>

>>>> -Swiftbrook

>>>>

>>>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher<radermacher@>   wrote:

>>>>> On 21.12.2010 16:42, David R. Bender wrote:

>>>>>> Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

>>>>>> penalty.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> PRD:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency

>>>>> That's not correct. It eliminates the penalty one get when using a tower

>>>>> shield unproficiently. Still, check out the text on the tower shield in

>>>>> the equipment section: "When employing a tower shield in combat, you

>>>>> take a --2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance."

>>>>>

>>>>> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html

>>>>>

>>>>> Stefan.

>>>>>

>>>

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which file is the Tower Shield penalty data suppose to be in?  I can just add it

myself until the next update.





--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I'll see if the penalty is in place. I fixed that for 35e, but PF I wasn't

sure about at the time,

> and I didn't code the equipment.

>

>

> On 12/21/2010 8:52 AM, Picho wrote:

> > I'm thinking its because its not "employed" in combat all the time, thus it

doesn't calculate it in. Course what other effect of attacking is there other

than combat?

> >

> > Is it calculating the AC bonus the TS gives?

> >

> >

> > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "swiftbrook8"<swiftbrook@>  wrote:

> >> Exactly,

> >>

> >> Search these boards and you will find the discussion (which I don't want to

rediscuss), or the Wizards site. basically:

> >>

> >> Proficient in Tower Shield = -2 To Hit

> >> Not Proficient in Tower Shield = -12 To Hit (-10 not prof -2 for shield

itself)

> >>

> >> The -2 is not being calculated it.

> >> I changed to a Paladin, dropped the weapon focus.  My +5 To Hit dropped to

-5 To Hit.

> >>

> >> Either I have something else in wrong, or it's a bug.

> >>

> >> -Swiftbrook

> >>

> >> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher<radermacher@>  wrote:

> >>> On 21.12.2010 16:42, David R. Bender wrote:

> >>>> Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

> >>>> penalty.

> >>>>

> >>>> PRD:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency

> >>> That's not correct. It eliminates the penalty one get when using a tower

> >>> shield unproficiently. Still, check out the text on the tower shield in

> >>> the equipment section: "When employing a tower shield in combat, you

> >>> take a --2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance."

> >>>

> >>> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html

> >>>

> >>> Stefan.

> >>>

> >

> >

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Hi,



I'll see if the penalty is in place. I fixed that for 35e, but PF I wasn't sure

about at the time,

and I didn't code the equipment.





On 12/21/2010 8:52 AM, Picho wrote:

> I'm thinking its because its not "employed" in combat all the time, thus it

doesn't calculate it in. Course what other effect of attacking is there other

than combat?

>

> Is it calculating the AC bonus the TS gives?

>

>

> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "swiftbrook8"<swiftbrook@...>  wrote:

>> Exactly,

>>

>> Search these boards and you will find the discussion (which I don't want to

rediscuss), or the Wizards site. basically:

>>

>> Proficient in Tower Shield = -2 To Hit

>> Not Proficient in Tower Shield = -12 To Hit (-10 not prof -2 for shield

itself)

>>

>> The -2 is not being calculated it.

>> I changed to a Paladin, dropped the weapon focus.  My +5 To Hit dropped to -5

To Hit.

>>

>> Either I have something else in wrong, or it's a bug.

>>

>> -Swiftbrook

>>

>> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher<radermacher@>  wrote:

>>> On 21.12.2010 16:42, David R. Bender wrote:

>>>> Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

>>>> penalty.

>>>>

>>>> PRD: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency

>>> That's not correct. It eliminates the penalty one get when using a tower

>>> shield unproficiently. Still, check out the text on the tower shield in

>>> the equipment section: "When employing a tower shield in combat, you

>>> take a --2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance."

>>>

>>> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html

>>>

>>> Stefan.

>>>

>

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I'm thinking its because its not "employed" in combat all the time, thus it

doesn't calculate it in. Course what other effect of attacking is there other

than combat?



Is it calculating the AC bonus the TS gives?





--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "swiftbrook8" <swiftbrook@...> wrote:

>

> Exactly,

>

> Search these boards and you will find the discussion (which I don't want to

rediscuss), or the Wizards site. basically:

>

> Proficient in Tower Shield = -2 To Hit

> Not Proficient in Tower Shield = -12 To Hit (-10 not prof -2 for shield

itself)

>

> The -2 is not being calculated it.

> I changed to a Paladin, dropped the weapon focus.  My +5 To Hit dropped to -5

To Hit.

>

> Either I have something else in wrong, or it's a bug.

>

> -Swiftbrook

>

> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher <radermacher@> wrote:

> >

> > On 21.12.2010 16:42, David R. Bender wrote:

> > > Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

> > > penalty.

> > >

> > > PRD:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency

> >

> > That's not correct. It eliminates the penalty one get when using a tower

> > shield unproficiently. Still, check out the text on the tower shield in

> > the equipment section: "When employing a tower shield in combat, you

> > take a –2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance."

> >

> > http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html

> >

> > Stefan.

> >

>

Exactly,



Search these boards and you will find the discussion (which I don't want to

rediscuss), or the Wizards site. basically:



Proficient in Tower Shield = -2 To Hit

Not Proficient in Tower Shield = -12 To Hit (-10 not prof -2 for shield itself)



The -2 is not being calculated it.

I changed to a Paladin, dropped the weapon focus.  My +5 To Hit dropped to -5 To

Hit.



Either I have something else in wrong, or it's a bug.



-Swiftbrook



--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher <radermacher@...> wrote:

>

> On 21.12.2010 16:42, David R. Bender wrote:

> > Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

> > penalty.

> >

> > PRD: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency

>

> That's not correct. It eliminates the penalty one get when using a tower

> shield unproficiently. Still, check out the text on the tower shield in

> the equipment section: "When employing a tower shield in combat, you

> take a –2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance."

>

> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html

>

> Stefan.

>

On 21.12.2010 16:42, David R. Bender wrote:

> Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

> penalty.

>

> PRD: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency



That's not correct. It eliminates the penalty one get when using a tower

shield unproficiently. Still, check out the text on the tower shield in

the equipment section: "When employing a tower shield in combat, you

take a –2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance."



http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html



Stefan.

Fighters automatically get Tower Shield Proficiency which negates any

penalty.



PRD: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#tower-shield-proficiency



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On 12/21/2010 10:31 AM, swiftbrook8 wrote:

> I searched the boards but I can't find what (if anything) I'm doing wrong.

>

> PCGen 5.16.4 production

> Pathfinder mode

> * Pathfinder RPG for DM w/monsters

> * Paizo - APG

> * PCGen Enhance Renamer

>

> Fighter 1

> Human

> Str 18 (+4)

> Dex 15 (+2)

> Con 14 (+2)

> Int 10

> Wis 10

> Cha 8 (-2)

>

> Feats: Power Attack, Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword), Exotic Weapon Prof (Bastard

Sword)

>

> Equipment

> * Full Plate (worn)

> * Tower Shield (shield)

> * Bastard Sword (primary hand)

>

> AC 24 = 9 (plate) + 4 (tower shield) + 1 (limited dex)

>

> To Hit +6 = 4 (str) + 1 (BAB) + 1 (Weapon Focus)

> No penalty for the tower shield has been included.  Am I missing something?

>

> Also, I can't find a print -->  troubleshooting sheet that I read about.

>

> -Swiftbrook

>

>

>

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I searched the boards but I can't find what (if anything) I'm doing wrong.



PCGen 5.16.4 production

Pathfinder mode

* Pathfinder RPG for DM w/monsters

* Paizo - APG

* PCGen Enhance Renamer



Fighter 1

Human

Str 18 (+4)

Dex 15 (+2)

Con 14 (+2)

Int 10

Wis 10

Cha 8 (-2)



Feats: Power Attack, Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword), Exotic Weapon Prof (Bastard

Sword)



Equipment

* Full Plate (worn)

* Tower Shield (shield)

* Bastard Sword (primary hand)



AC 24 = 9 (plate) + 4 (tower shield) + 1 (limited dex)



To Hit +6 = 4 (str) + 1 (BAB) + 1 (Weapon Focus)

No penalty for the tower shield has been included.  Am I missing something?



Also, I can't find a print --> troubleshooting sheet that I read about.



-Swiftbrook