> Keep your reports coming, I just discovered we were missing an entire section
of Rogue Talents, and
> Traits from just such a report. I've added all them in, though the new traits
are missing their bonuses.

I can try, but I don't know when I can find the time.

When is APG due?

Henk

I'm hoping to have another release this weekend.

Someone did the Racial Traits, I'd have to double check if anything else
remains.


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What game mode? Do you have the option EQUIPATTACK (under House Rules) checked
or not?

Ok, I'm seeing one sword listed under equipment (the equipped one). But not the
carried one. This works fine in the PDF sheets, but not in statblock5 or
fantasy_std. Interestingly, the encumberance is fine. BTW, I got the same
results under Pathfinder and 3.5. It does not seem to matter whether or not
EQUIPATTACK is checked or not.

Chuck


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> I created a generic fighter, gave him two longswords. Put one in his primary
hand and had him carry the other.
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> The Preview tab shows him with two longswords.
>
> But the File|Print Preview command only shows him having one longsword.
>
> I am using C:\Program
Files\PCGen\PCGen5164RC2\outputsheets\d20\fantasy\htmlxml\csheet_fantasy_statblo\
ck5.htm as my "default HTML output sheet."
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> Can anyone reproduce this error?
>
> Allen
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Using the 5.16.4 release candidtate, when I include the Kingmaker Player's
Guide, I still do not see any of the campaign traits.  I've removed the 'No
Traits' trait from the character...is there something else I'm missing?

On Monday 01 November 2010 17:13:09 AndrewW wrote:
> Using the 5.16.4 release candidtate, when I include the Kingmaker Player's
> Guide, I still do not see any of the campaign traits.  I've removed the
> 'No Traits' trait from the character...is there something else I'm
> missing?

Sounds weird. Can you upload a screenshot of the Traits subtab to
http://pastebin.org?

Stefan.

Hi,

Just a note, several commits haven't come across on the commit svn list.

I just looked at the list direct and it doesn't have anything new after Barak
entered the newest source.

I'm not in the best position to investigate this ATM.

Can one of our Admins for the project investigate or raise a note with SF.
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Hi All,

The list archive definitely has the latest messages, could just have been a
processing delay on SF's part.  Lets give it 24 hours.

K

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Yeah, there was a serious delay, looks like SF got clogged, it's all working
again though.

Thanks.


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I couldn't get it to upload to pastebin, but the screenshot can be found at
http://kingmaker.frozenstar.net/PCGen5164RC2_Traits.png

The only source that shows is the APG.



I've verified that the Kingmaker Player's Guide has loaded, as I can see
Thylacine and Elk as potential Animal Companions.



Any assistance would be appreciated.





From: pcgen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pcgen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Stefan Radermacher
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:45 PM
To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcgen] Kingmaker Campaign Traits





On Monday 01 November 2010 17:13:09 AndrewW wrote:
> Using the 5.16.4 release candidtate, when I include the Kingmaker Player's
> Guide, I still do not see any of the campaign traits. I've removed the
> 'No Traits' trait from the character...is there something else I'm
> missing?

Sounds weird. Can you upload a screenshot of the Traits subtab to
http://pastebin.org?

Stefan.





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On Tuesday 02 November 2010 14:45:06 Andrew Wardell wrote:
> I couldn't get it to upload to pastebin, but the screenshot can be found at
> http://kingmaker.frozenstar.net/PCGen5164RC2_Traits.png

I see now what you. It seems something has changed since I originally
implemented that. You can currently access the Campaign traits if you switch
to that view using the dropdown box in the lower right, but that is not what I
had in mind. I have to check out what has changed.

Regards,
Stefan.

It's my understanding that the campaign traits and noble born traits are just
traits and should pull from the same ability pool as the basic traits.  You only
get 2 traits in a typical game, regardless of type.


--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher <radermacher@...> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 14:45:06 Andrew Wardell wrote:
> > I couldn't get it to upload to pastebin, but the screenshot can be found at
> > http://kingmaker.frozenstar.net/PCGen5164RC2_Traits.png
>
> I see now what you. It seems something has changed since I originally
> implemented that. You can currently access the Campaign traits if you switch
> to that view using the dropdown box in the lower right, but that is not what I
> had in mind. I have to check out what has changed.
>
> Regards,
> Stefan.
>

On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:16:37 you wrote:
> It's my understanding that the campaign traits and noble born traits are
> just traits and should pull from the same ability pool as the basic
> traits.  You only get 2 traits in a typical game, regardless of type.

You are correct basically. However, the rules indicate that if you play in a
campaing with campaign traits, like an adventue path, that one of those traits
MUST chosen from the campaign traits. In order to enforce that rule I created
a separate ability category Campaign Traits in the adventure path player's
guide datasets and shifted one trait slot from the general traits pool to this
new pool.

Stefan.


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On Tuesday 02 November 2010 14:53:40 Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> I see now what you. It seems something has changed since I originally
> implemented that. You can currently access the Campaign traits if you
> switch to that view using the dropdown box in the lower right, but that is
> not what I had in mind. I have to check out what has changed.

I think I know what the problem is. Besides the fact that the the Traits
categories were messed up a bit, the implementation relied on the fact that
the default character kits in the Kingmaker dataset were able to override
those from the Trait Web Enhancement dataset due to the fact of being newer.
Using the APG dataset instead this no longer works, as the APG is now the
newer source and so the default does not get overridden by the special case.
I'll have to think about that.

I guess the duplicate choosuing algorithm should look at source rank first,
and only if they are equal use the source date.

Stefan.


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Hmm.. That is not what my understanding is.

If you are going to use Campaign Traits, you get 1 of them and 1 regular
trait. I would rather have them as separate lines. There is an
abilitypool for them, but it is not being added to. This is my .pcc file
that I will be using for when I run Kingmaker for my group:

===============
# David R. Bender
CAMPAIGN:Campaign - Kingmaker
GAMEMODE:Pathfinder
RANK:6
TYPE:*Only load from here - Campaign files
#
# Pathfinder Final Ruleset
PCC:@\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\core_rulebook\core_rulebook.pcc
# Pathfinder APG
PCC:@\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_rpg\advanced_players_guide\advanded_players_guide.p\
cc
#
# PCGen item renamer (+x to front of weapon/armor)
PCC:@\d20ogl\pcgen\renamer\pcgen_ogc_renamer.pcc
#
# My stuff for Pathfinder
PCC:@\DRB-Data\Pathfinder\DRB-Pathfinder.pcc
#
# Paizo Kingmaker Player's Guide
PCC:@\alpha\paizo\pathfinder_adventure_paths\kingmaker\kingmaker_players_guide\k\
ingmaker_players_guide.pcc
#
#BONUS:ABILITYPOOL|Favored Class|1|PREPCLEVEL:MIN=1
BONUS:ABILITYPOOL|Campaign Traits|1|PREPCLEVEL:MIN=1
BONUS:ABILITYPOOL|Traits|-1|PREPCLEVEL:MIN=1
==========

Notice that I had to add 1 to Campaign Traits and subtract 1 from Traits
to get the numbers to work out.

I also have the same file for Serpent's Skull except pointing to the
appropriate players guide and it works for that also.



David
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On 11/2/2010 10:16 AM, gjorbjond wrote:
> It's my understanding that the campaign traits and noble born traits are just
traits and should pull from the same ability pool as the basic traits.  You only
get 2 traits in a typical game, regardless of type.
>
>
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Radermacher<radermacher@...>  wrote:
>> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 14:45:06 Andrew Wardell wrote:
>>> I couldn't get it to upload to pastebin, but the screenshot can be found at
>>> http://kingmaker.frozenstar.net/PCGen5164RC2_Traits.png
>> I see now what you. It seems something has changed since I originally
>> implemented that. You can currently access the Campaign traits if you switch
>> to that view using the dropdown box in the lower right, but that is not what
I
>> had in mind. I have to check out what has changed.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Stefan.
>>
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On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:21:17 Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> You are correct basically. However, the rules indicate that if you play in
> a campaing with campaign traits, like an adventue path, that one of those
> traits MUST chosen from the campaign traits. In order to enforce that rule
> I created a separate ability category Campaign Traits in the adventure
> path player's guide datasets and shifted one trait slot from the general
> traits pool to this new pool.

It seems I'm talking to myself a lot here today. :)

Anyway, maybe the best solution is indeed to throw away the Campaign Traits
category, that way the duplicate override would no longer be necessary.

In fact, if a higher level character joins an adventure path later on, it
won't make much sense enforcing a Campaign trait. For example, considering the
campaign traits from Serpent's Skull, we see that they select a reason for a
new character to be on the ship at the start of the campaign. Later on, that
makes no sense for a new character who most probably has never even been on
the ship, so forcing him to take one campaign trait in this case really makes
no sense.

If I get no opposition on this here, I will adapt all relevant sets to remove
this category and sort the campaign traits into the general traits category.

Stefan.


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On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:27:21 David R. Bender wrote:
> Hmm.. That is not what my understanding is.
>
> If you are going to use Campaign Traits, you get 1 of them and 1 regular
> trait. I would rather have them as separate lines. There is an
> abilitypool for them, but it is not being added to. This is my .pcc file
> that I will be using for when I run Kingmaker for my group:

> Notice that I had to add 1 to Campaign Traits and subtract 1 from Traits
> to get the numbers to work out.
>
> I also have the same file for Serpent's Skull except pointing to the
> appropriate players guide and it works for that also.

David, that is how it originally woirked when I first implemeted that. As soon
as one of the Aadventure path player's guide datasets was loaded, the slots
were changed from "two general traits" to "one general trait and one campaign
trait". However the traits categories have been moved about, even into the
core dataset, where they to not belong at all. These changes - and the fact
that the duplicate workout does not really work with the APG set - have messed
up the mechanism.

However, check out the mail I just wrote before this; I think it does in fact
make sense to remove that enforcing.

Stefan.


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Yes, I just read that post. Not sure that I agree with removing the
enforcement, but I am not so opposed that I would say no.

David
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On 11/2/2010 10:34 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:27:21 David R. Bender wrote:
>> Hmm.. That is not what my understanding is.
>>
>> If you are going to use Campaign Traits, you get 1 of them and 1 regular
>> trait. I would rather have them as separate lines. There is an
>> abilitypool for them, but it is not being added to. This is my .pcc file
>> that I will be using for when I run Kingmaker for my group:
>> Notice that I had to add 1 to Campaign Traits and subtract 1 from Traits
>> to get the numbers to work out.
>>
>> I also have the same file for Serpent's Skull except pointing to the
>> appropriate players guide and it works for that also.
> David, that is how it originally woirked when I first implemeted that. As soon
> as one of the Aadventure path player's guide datasets was loaded, the slots
> were changed from "two general traits" to "one general trait and one campaign
> trait". However the traits categories have been moved about, even into the
> core dataset, where they to not belong at all. These changes - and the fact
> that the duplicate workout does not really work with the APG set - have messed
> up the mechanism.
>
> However, check out the mail I just wrote before this; I think it does in fact
> make sense to remove that enforcing.
>
> Stefan.

On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:40:54 David R. Bender wrote:
> Yes, I just read that post. Not sure that I agree with removing the
> enforcement, but I am not so opposed that I would say no.

Would you want to force a new character joining your Serpen't Skull party in,
say, Chapter 3 to take a campaign trait from the Serpent's Skull Player's
Guide, when he most probably never was on that ship?

Stefan.


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That is why I am not saying no.

David
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On 11/2/2010 11:14 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:40:54 David R. Bender wrote:
>> Yes, I just read that post. Not sure that I agree with removing the
>> enforcement, but I am not so opposed that I would say no.
> Would you want to force a new character joining your Serpen't Skull party in,
> say, Chapter 3 to take a campaign trait from the Serpent's Skull Player's
> Guide, when he most probably never was on that ship?
>
> Stefan.

Hi,

I'm in agreement with Stefan, it's not up to us to enforce certain rules if
there isn't an easy
bypass. One General Pool, and leave it up to the GM and players to police
themselves.

AS to the pools merging into the Core, I think that was a Logistics issue of
depending on which
source combo you'd get issues.

I don't care if the ABILITYCATEGORY is made in the core, the relevant Traits
*ARE* being loaded with
the correct sources, and that's ALL that matters to me.


On 11/2/2010 8:19 AM, David R. Bender wrote:
> That is why I am not saying no.
>
> David
> Papa.DRB
>
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>
> On 11/2/2010 11:14 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
>> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:40:54 David R. Bender wrote:
>>> Yes, I just read that post. Not sure that I agree with removing the
>>> enforcement, but I am not so opposed that I would say no.
>> Would you want to force a new character joining your Serpen't Skull party in,
>> say, Chapter 3 to take a campaign trait from the Serpent's Skull Player's
>> Guide, when he most probably never was on that ship?
>>
>> Stefan.
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Ok, I'm changing the sets to remove the separate ability category for campaign
traits. I think I will also abandon the concept of preselecting "No Traits",
as this is clearly non-intuitive for users. The way it is implemented, Traits
are only awarded to player character races, so monsters are not affected, only
NPCs, and a GM user can then select the No Traits ability manually. I think
this is the better solution and users will no longer wonder what to do.

I'd also like to change the keys of the traits to conform to the usual
standards for keys, i.e. "Foo ~ Trait" instead of "Foo_Trait".

Ah. and another thing. I'm not too happy of including the sample campaign
traits from the APG in the APG dataset. Including them will result in them
showing up, for example, as campaign traits in a Kingmaker Adventure Path
setup, even if they are not available or meaningful for that campaign.
Basically they are just included in the book for GMs as an inspiration on how
to create their own campaign traits, not as real gaming material, because they
won't be applicable to 99% of all campaigns. I'd leave them out, but another
idea of how to handle them if everybody wants them included, would be nice.
Though their use will really be minimal.

Regards,
Stefan.

On Tuesday 02 November 2010 22:19:46 Andrew Maitland wrote:
>    Hi,
>
> I'm in agreement with Stefan, it's not up to us to enforce certain rules if
> there isn't an easy bypass. One General Pool, and leave it up to the GM
> and players to police themselves.
>
> AS to the pools merging into the Core, I think that was a Logistics issue
> of depending on which source combo you'd get issues.
>
> I don't care if the ABILITYCATEGORY is made in the core, the relevant
> Traits *ARE* being loaded with the correct sources, and that's ALL that
> matters to me.
>
> On 11/2/2010 8:19 AM, David R. Bender wrote:
> > That is why I am not saying no.
> >
> > David
> > Papa.DRB
> >
> > Grognard (definition
> > 1)<http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Grognard.html> My better half and
> > me
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> > Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
> >
> > On 11/2/2010 11:14 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:40:54 David R. Bender wrote:
> >>> Yes, I just read that post. Not sure that I agree with removing the
> >>> enforcement, but I am not so opposed that I would say no.
> >>
> >> Would you want to force a new character joining your Serpen't Skull
> >> party in, say, Chapter 3 to take a campaign trait from the Serpent's
> >> Skull Player's Guide, when he most probably never was on that ship?
> >>
> >> Stefan.
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Hi,




On 11/2/2010 3:58 PM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> Ok, I'm changing the sets to remove the separate ability category for campaign
> traits. I think I will also abandon the concept of preselecting "No Traits",
> as this is clearly non-intuitive for users. The way it is implemented, Traits
> are only awarded to player character races, so monsters are not affected, only
> NPCs, and a GM user can then select the No Traits ability manually. I think
> this is the better solution and users will no longer wonder what to do.

Sounds like a good plan.

> I'd also like to change the keys of the traits to conform to the usual
> standards for keys, i.e. "Foo ~ Trait" instead of "Foo_Trait".

I was wondering why there was a difference, but I just tried to match the
standards.

> Ah. and another thing. I'm not too happy of including the sample campaign
> traits from the APG in the APG dataset. Including them will result in them
> showing up, for example, as campaign traits in a Kingmaker Adventure Path
> setup, even if they are not available or meaningful for that campaign.
> Basically they are just included in the book for GMs as an inspiration on how
> to create their own campaign traits, not as real gaming material, because they
> won't be applicable to 99% of all campaigns. I'd leave them out, but another
> idea of how to handle them if everybody wants them included, would be nice.
> Though their use will really be minimal.

Leaving them in should be fine. Once we move to trunk, we can simply use SORTKEY
to put the sample
at the bottom of the list. And yes, homebrews can model theirs after the
existing ones. Nothing
wrong with that. I was going through and entering ALL the missing items.

Cheers,

> Regards,
> Stefan.
>
> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 22:19:46 Andrew Maitland wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>
>> I'm in agreement with Stefan, it's not up to us to enforce certain rules if
>> there isn't an easy bypass. One General Pool, and leave it up to the GM
>> and players to police themselves.
>>
>> AS to the pools merging into the Core, I think that was a Logistics issue
>> of depending on which source combo you'd get issues.
>>
>> I don't care if the ABILITYCATEGORY is made in the core, the relevant
>> Traits *ARE* being loaded with the correct sources, and that's ALL that
>> matters to me.
>>
>> On 11/2/2010 8:19 AM, David R. Bender wrote:
>>> That is why I am not saying no.
>>>
>>> David
>>> Papa.DRB
>>>
>>> Grognard (definition
>>> 1)<http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Grognard.html>  My better half and
>>> me
>>> <http://mysite.verizon.net/vze16ni4g/Nana-and-Papa2.JPG>
>>> Madness takes its toll - please have exact change.
>>>
>>> On 11/2/2010 11:14 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:40:54 David R. Bender wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I just read that post. Not sure that I agree with removing the
>>>>> enforcement, but I am not so opposed that I would say no.
>>>> Would you want to force a new character joining your Serpen't Skull
>>>> party in, say, Chapter 3 to take a campaign trait from the Serpent's
>>>> Skull Player's Guide, when he most probably never was on that ship?
>>>>
>>>> Stefan.
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On Wednesday 03 November 2010 00:26:35 Andrew Maitland wrote:
> Leaving them in should be fine. Once we move to trunk, we can simply use
> SORTKEY to put the sample at the bottom of the list. And yes, homebrews
> can model theirs after the existing ones. Nothing wrong with that. I was
> going through and entering ALL the missing items.

Maybe we can use TYPE:SampleCampaignTraits with those instead of
TYPE:CampaignTraits.

Stefan.

Hi,

I'm fine with that.


On 11/2/2010 4:35 PM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 November 2010 00:26:35 Andrew Maitland wrote:
>> Leaving them in should be fine. Once we move to trunk, we can simply use
>> SORTKEY to put the sample at the bottom of the list. And yes, homebrews
>> can model theirs after the existing ones. Nothing wrong with that. I was
>> going through and entering ALL the missing items.
> Maybe we can use TYPE:SampleCampaignTraits with those instead of
> TYPE:CampaignTraits.
>
> Stefan.
>
>
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Heya:



Quick FYI. When starting a new campaign/Adventure Path, Campaign Traits are
NOT a requirement. Like any other trait they are an optional component and
basically give you one more category of traits to choose from. They primary
intention is to tie you closer to the beginning of the campaign and give you
a reason for your character to get involved in the campaign. Now, you can
certainly make it a requirement for your campaign, but there is no other
requirement.

"Campaign traits are tailored to a specific Adventure Path, and give your
character a built-in reason to begin the first adventure in a new campaign.
Some campaign traits also grant teamwork benefits if you choose to begin a
campaign with your character having a pre-existing relationship with another
PC." And if you continue reading the section on campaign traits in any of
the Adventure Paths out there, you'll see nowhere that it is required a
character take a campaign trait - though certainly advisable.

Also once a new character joins the campaign at a later date, s/he can
certainly take an existing campaign trait if so desired, though the player
and GM should probably work on adjusting the wording somewhat =)



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the raid's $359.76 says: know your role."



From: pcgen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pcgen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Stefan Radermacher
Sent: Tuesday, 02 Nov 2010 08:21
To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcgen] Re: Kingmaker Campaign Traits





On Tuesday 02 November 2010 15:16:37 you wrote:
> It's my understanding that the campaign traits and noble born traits are
> just traits and should pull from the same ability pool as the basic
> traits. You only get 2 traits in a typical game, regardless of type.

You are correct basically. However, the rules indicate that if you play in a

campaing with campaign traits, like an adventue path, that one of those
traits
MUST chosen from the campaign traits. In order to enforce that rule I
created
a separate ability category Campaign Traits in the adventure path player's
guide datasets and shifted one trait slot from the general traits pool to
this
new pool.

Stefan.

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On Wednesday 03 November 2010 02:27:06 Derrik H. Gilmore wrote:
> Quick FYI. When starting a new campaign/Adventure Path, Campaign Traits are
> NOT a requirement. Like any other trait they are an optional component and
> basically give you one more category of traits to choose from. They primary
> intention is to tie you closer to the beginning of the campaign and give
> you a reason for your character to get involved in the campaign. Now, you
> can certainly make it a requirement for your campaign, but there is no
> other requirement.
> "Campaign traits are tailored to a specific Adventure Path, and give your
> character a built-in reason to begin the first adventure in a new campaign.
> Some campaign traits also grant teamwork benefits if you choose to begin a
> campaign with your character having a pre-existing relationship with
> another PC." And if you continue reading the section on campaign traits in
> any of the Adventure Paths out there, you'll see nowhere that it is
> required a character take a campaign trait - though certainly advisable.

Your quote is correct, however there is more. Check out APG page 330, in the
section named "Campaign Traits" it says:

"If your GM uses campaign traits, one of your starting traits must be a
campaign trait. Your other trait can be chosen from one of the other types of
traits." You will find the words to the same effect in the original Character
Traits web enhancement for the Pathfinder RPG on page 3, upper left.

> Also once a new character joins the campaign at a later date, s/he can
> certainly take an existing campaign trait if so desired, though the player
> and GM should probably work on adjusting the wording somewhat =)

Depending on the campaign that might noit really makes sense, for example, as
mentioned earlier with the campaign traits from then Serpent's Skull Player's
Guide. Those are meaningless for a character that doesn't start out at the
beginning at the campaign.

Regards,
Stefan.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa - though I just got the APG on Monday
and haven't gotten that far in the book yet,  I'm still giddy about the
class/race options =)



As for taking the campaign traits for later characters, you can always
adjust the back-story for the trait so that it makes more sense while
leaving the bonus intact - nur meine zwei pfennige =)

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From: pcgen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pcgen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Stefan Radermacher
Sent: Tuesday, 02 Nov 2010 19:42
To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pcgen] Re: Kingmaker Campaign Traits





On Wednesday 03 November 2010 02:27:06 Derrik H. Gilmore wrote:
> Quick FYI. When starting a new campaign/Adventure Path, Campaign Traits
are
> NOT a requirement. Like any other trait they are an optional component and
> basically give you one more category of traits to choose from. They
primary
> intention is to tie you closer to the beginning of the campaign and give
> you a reason for your character to get involved in the campaign. Now, you
> can certainly make it a requirement for your campaign, but there is no
> other requirement.
> "Campaign traits are tailored to a specific Adventure Path, and give your
> character a built-in reason to begin the first adventure in a new
campaign.
> Some campaign traits also grant teamwork benefits if you choose to begin a
> campaign with your character having a pre-existing relationship with
> another PC." And if you continue reading the section on campaign traits in
> any of the Adventure Paths out there, you'll see nowhere that it is
> required a character take a campaign trait - though certainly advisable.

Your quote is correct, however there is more. Check out APG page 330, in the

section named "Campaign Traits" it says:

"If your GM uses campaign traits, one of your starting traits must be a
campaign trait. Your other trait can be chosen from one of the other types
of
traits." You will find the words to the same effect in the original
Character
Traits web enhancement for the Pathfinder RPG on page 3, upper left.

> Also once a new character joins the campaign at a later date, s/he can
> certainly take an existing campaign trait if so desired, though the player
> and GM should probably work on adjusting the wording somewhat =)

Depending on the campaign that might noit really makes sense, for example,
as
mentioned earlier with the campaign traits from then Serpent's Skull
Player's
Guide. Those are meaningless for a character that doesn't start out at the
beginning at the campaign.

Regards,
Stefan.



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I was looking to add an improved familiar to a character this morning
(pathfinder core RPG). After adding the feat, the familiar list didn't
change. I looked in pfcr_feats.lst and the COMPANIONLIST was commented
out. I grepped around the files but couldn't find any other
references. Uncommenting the line and reloading didn't seem to help
either.

Thanks,
Steve