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Quick question: has anyone considered creating an iPhone application for use
with PCGen already? I could see how this could be useful. :)

Stefan.

I have!

But alas, I'm not a code monkey . . . yet . . .

Maredudd

On Jul 3, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:

>
>
> Quick question: has anyone considered creating an iPhone
> application for use
> with PCGen already? I could see how this could be useful. :)
>
> Stefan.

I am tempted to register as a developer and try working on something like
that. :)

Stefan.

On Friday 03 July 2009 14:07:54 Eric C Smith wrote:
> I have!
>
> But alas, I'm not a code monkey . . . yet . . .
>
> Maredudd
>
> On Jul 3, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:
> > Quick question: has anyone considered creating an iPhone
> > application for use
> > with PCGen already? I could see how this could be useful. :)
> >
> > Stefan.
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I would SO use it! And help were I could, though that offer will be
much more likely sometime next year . . . :-)

Maredudd

On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Stefan Radermacher wrote:

>
>
> I am tempted to register as a developer and try working on
> something like
> that. :)
>
> Stefan.
>
> On Friday 03 July 2009 14:07:54 Eric C Smith wrote:
> > I have!
> >
> > But alas, I'm not a code monkey . . . yet . . .
> >
> > Maredudd

Hi Folks!

I recently picked up an Acer Aspire One D250 netboon and
am having a good time playing with it. I've installed PCGen
5.14.1 and 5,16.0 on it and both installations went beautifully.
Both versions also ran wonderfully.

The D2590 has an Intel Atom N270 running at 1.6GHz and
I've upgraded the ram to 2GB. Launching PCGen is snappy,
or at least snappier than launching it on my 1.42 GHz Mac
Mini w/1GB RAM. I installed the CMP data sets just fine
using the Data Install feature of 5.14.1 (I haven't converted
the sets to 5.16.0 yet). Creating a new character was quicker
than on the Mac Mini and I didn't seem to have any problems.
Well, except for one that I strongly suspect isn't due to the fact
that I am running PCGen on a Netbook.

While configured for the CMP data sets I do not see the "Preview"
tab. I tried the "Character Sheet" tab but it doesn't load anything
and there are no choices under the pull down menu. I seem to
recall that the preview tab has been moved, or removed, or
something. Its there on 5.16.0 (without the CMP data sets) but I
don't see it on 5.14.1. I still have to try running the RSRD under
5.14.1 though.

Any thoughts on what might be the problem?

I'll be running some more tests later but right now I'm getting
ready for a July 4th BBQ, so if anyone had any insights before I
get back, I'd be interested in them.

Thanks!

Eric Smth

After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I was
missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but I have one
significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will save for a later
post).

My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been unable
to determine how to record the change in PCGen.

If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be wrong. 
But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can I?

I have a class that gains Combat Casting for free at second level.  For some
reason, when I try to utilize that class, the feat is not showing up in the
character's list of feats.

Should't this be as simple as

2 FEATAUTO:Combat Casting

in the classes lst file?

Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
simply change the race to Gnoll.

That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



ainvarg wrote:
> After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I was
missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but I have one
significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will save for a later
post).
>
> My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been unable
to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
>
> If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be wrong. 
But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can I?
>
>
>
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Unless you are using a really old version of pcgen, then no. What it
should be is

AUTO:FEAT|Combat Casting

FEATAUTO was the older version circa pre 5.10 if memory serves me. I'd
have to dig through the older docs to see when it went away.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



ainvarg wrote:
> I have a class that gains Combat Casting for free at second level.  For some
reason, when I try to utilize that class, the feat is not showing up in the
character's list of feats.
>
> Should't this be as simple as
>
> 2 FEATAUTO:Combat Casting
>
> in the classes lst file?
>
>
>
>
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Accessing file 32510.4440.15769

Data from user Andrew is as follows:
> ainvarg wrote:
> > After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I
> > was missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but I
> > have one significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will save
> > for a later post).
> >
> > My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
> > tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been
> > unable to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
> >
> > If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
> > wrong.  But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can I?

> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
> simply change the race to Gnoll.
>
> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)

Too bad the answer's wrong.

Reincarnating a creature is difficult.  You can't just change the race, since
that applies not only the physical changes (which is normal) but the mental
changes as well (which you're not supposed to do).

Also, a human changing into another race is not supposed to lose their bonus
feat or skill points.

Finally they gain the new racial abilities, but not the automatic languages.

In the case of changing to a Gnoll, they don't automatically learn Gnoll and
shouldn't suffer the penalty to INT and CHA, nor should they suddenly be
overspending a feat and 10 skill points.

In all honesty, I think we're missing templates for Reincarnation.  That might
be a new project that'll have to be touched upon.

Should we tracker this for Data?

--
Fluxxdog

The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
think.

Yeah, might as well. Not sure how easy it will be to implement.

Though the answer to the question is correct, changing a race is easy,
the stuff tackled on by virtue of reincarnation is not so easily dealt with.

Perhaps a simple thing of Template - Race Changed to... Leaving the Base
Race alone.

I don't know, I'm too tired to think it through at this point.

That does sound like an awful lot of work for something that does get
seen that often.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



Michael W. Fender wrote:
> Accessing file 32510.4440.15769
>
> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
>
>> ainvarg wrote:
>>
>>> After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I
>>> was missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but I
>>> have one significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will save
>>> for a later post).
>>>
>>> My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
>>> tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been
>>> unable to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
>>>
>>> If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
>>> wrong.  But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can I?
>>>
>
>
>> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
>> simply change the race to Gnoll.
>>
>> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)
>>
>
> Too bad the answer's wrong.
>
> Reincarnating a creature is difficult.  You can't just change the race, since
> that applies not only the physical changes (which is normal) but the mental
> changes as well (which you're not supposed to do).
>
> Also, a human changing into another race is not supposed to lose their bonus
> feat or skill points.
>
> Finally they gain the new racial abilities, but not the automatic languages.
>
> In the case of changing to a Gnoll, they don't automatically learn Gnoll and
> shouldn't suffer the penalty to INT and CHA, nor should they suddenly be
> overspending a feat and 10 skill points.
>
> In all honesty, I think we're missing templates for Reincarnation.  That might
> be a new project that'll have to be touched upon.
>
> Should we tracker this for Data?
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sourceforge is down at the moment for me.  They've noted intermittent outages
and... I guess intermittent is now!

Making a note that this needs to be trackered in Data FReqs:

[*SRD] Reincarnation Templates
The basic premise is applying the stat adjustments and abilities, but not
interfering with some of what the base race has.

Issues:
Remove Physical Stat adjustment of old race
Apply physical stat adjustments of new race
Reduce HD by one (or, if LV 1, -2 CON)
Add racial abilities as appropriate.  Reincarnate seems to imply anything
physical, such as movement and speed, natural armor, natural attacks, and
extraordinary abilties.  It doesn't go as far to say that supernatural or
spell-like are added, simply because this could overpower a creature.

Races listed under Reincarnation (14 total):
Bugbear
Dwarf
Elf
Gnoll
Gnome
Goblin
Half-elf
Half-orc
Halfling
Human
Kobold
Lizardfolk
Orc
Troglodyte

As far as calling what goes and what doesn't, consider the Gnome:
+2 Constitution, -2 Strength - obviously
* Small size - PCGen should automatically change the bonuses and penalties for
size (i.e. BONUS:SIZEMOD|NUMBER|-1)
* Gnome base land speed is 20 feet - easy enough
* Low-Light Vision - This would be considered Extraordinary
* Automatic Languages - already nixed by the spell description

* Spell-Like Abilities - doesn't seem like it should apply as they're not
truly Extraordinary
* Favored Class - the base race should be determining the favored class

The following could have issues:
* Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes may treat gnome hooked hammers as martial weapons
rather than exotic weapons
* +2 racial bonus on saving throws against illusions
* Add +1 to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against illusion spells
cast by gnomes. This adjustment stacks with those from similar effects
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against kobolds and goblinoids
* +4 dodge bonus to Armor Class against monsters of the giant type
* +2 racial bonus on Listen checks.
* +2 racial bonus on Craft (alchemy) checks.

Are these considered a racial traits or a common training for gnomes as
they're growing up?  In the end, the RSRD does list all these traits as
Extraordinary.

Accessing file 12288.21000.10305

Data from user Andrew is as follows:

> Yeah, might as well. Not sure how easy it will be to implement.
>
> Though the answer to the question is correct, changing a race is easy,
> the stuff tackled on by virtue of reincarnation is not so easily dealt
> with.
>
> Perhaps a simple thing of Template - Race Changed to... Leaving the Base
> Race alone.
>
> I don't know, I'm too tired to think it through at this point.
>
> That does sound like an awful lot of work for something that does get
> seen that often.

> Michael W. Fender wrote:
> > Accessing file 32510.4440.15769
> >
> > Data from user Andrew is as follows:
> >> ainvarg wrote:
> >>> After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I
> >>> was missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but
> >>> I have one significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will
> >>> save for a later post).
> >>>
> >>> My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
> >>> tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been
> >>> unable to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
> >>>
> >>> If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
> >>> wrong.  But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can
> >>> I?
> >>
> >> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
> >> simply change the race to Gnoll.
> >>
> >> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)
> >
> > Too bad the answer's wrong.
> >
> > Reincarnating a creature is difficult.  You can't just change the race,
> > since that applies not only the physical changes (which is normal) but
> > the mental changes as well (which you're not supposed to do).
> >
> > Also, a human changing into another race is not supposed to lose their
> > bonus feat or skill points.
> >
> > Finally they gain the new racial abilities, but not the automatic
> > languages.
> >
> > In the case of changing to a Gnoll, they don't automatically learn Gnoll
> > and shouldn't suffer the penalty to INT and CHA, nor should they suddenly
> > be overspending a feat and 10 skill points.
> >
> > In all honesty, I think we're missing templates for Reincarnation.  That
> > might be a new project that'll have to be touched upon.
> >
> > Should we tracker this for Data?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--
Fluxxdog

The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
think.

2817282 Reincarnation FREQ for Michael...
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2817282&group_id=25576&atid=75\
0092>

Odd, it's up for me... must be only down for very short periods.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



Michael W. Fender wrote:
> Sourceforge is down at the moment for me.  They've noted intermittent outages
> and... I guess intermittent is now!
>
> Making a note that this needs to be trackered in Data FReqs:
>
> [*SRD] Reincarnation Templates
> The basic premise is applying the stat adjustments and abilities, but not
> interfering with some of what the base race has.
>
> Issues:
> Remove Physical Stat adjustment of old race
> Apply physical stat adjustments of new race
> Reduce HD by one (or, if LV 1, -2 CON)
> Add racial abilities as appropriate.  Reincarnate seems to imply anything
> physical, such as movement and speed, natural armor, natural attacks, and
> extraordinary abilties.  It doesn't go as far to say that supernatural or
> spell-like are added, simply because this could overpower a creature.
>
> Races listed under Reincarnation (14 total):
> Bugbear
> Dwarf
> Elf
> Gnoll
> Gnome
> Goblin
> Half-elf
> Half-orc
> Halfling
> Human
> Kobold
> Lizardfolk
> Orc
> Troglodyte
>
> As far as calling what goes and what doesn't, consider the Gnome:
> +2 Constitution, -2 Strength - obviously
> * Small size - PCGen should automatically change the bonuses and penalties for
> size (i.e. BONUS:SIZEMOD|NUMBER|-1)
> * Gnome base land speed is 20 feet - easy enough
> * Low-Light Vision - This would be considered Extraordinary
> * Automatic Languages - already nixed by the spell description
>
> * Spell-Like Abilities - doesn't seem like it should apply as they're not
> truly Extraordinary
> * Favored Class - the base race should be determining the favored class
>
> The following could have issues:
> * Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes may treat gnome hooked hammers as martial weapons
> rather than exotic weapons
> * +2 racial bonus on saving throws against illusions
> * Add +1 to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against illusion spells
> cast by gnomes. This adjustment stacks with those from similar effects
> * +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against kobolds and goblinoids
> * +4 dodge bonus to Armor Class against monsters of the giant type
> * +2 racial bonus on Listen checks.
> * +2 racial bonus on Craft (alchemy) checks.
>
> Are these considered a racial traits or a common training for gnomes as
> they're growing up?  In the end, the RSRD does list all these traits as
> Extraordinary.
>
> Accessing file 12288.21000.10305
>
> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
>
>
>> Yeah, might as well. Not sure how easy it will be to implement.
>>
>> Though the answer to the question is correct, changing a race is easy,
>> the stuff tackled on by virtue of reincarnation is not so easily dealt
>> with.
>>
>> Perhaps a simple thing of Template - Race Changed to... Leaving the Base
>> Race alone.
>>
>> I don't know, I'm too tired to think it through at this point.
>>
>> That does sound like an awful lot of work for something that does get
>> seen that often.
>>
>
>
>> Michael W. Fender wrote:
>>
>>> Accessing file 32510.4440.15769
>>>
>>> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
>>>
>>>> ainvarg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I
>>>>> was missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but
>>>>> I have one significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will
>>>>> save for a later post).
>>>>>
>>>>> My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
>>>>> tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been
>>>>> unable to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
>>>>> wrong.  But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can
>>>>> I?
>>>>>
>>>> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
>>>> simply change the race to Gnoll.
>>>>
>>>> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)
>>>>
>>> Too bad the answer's wrong.
>>>
>>> Reincarnating a creature is difficult.  You can't just change the race,
>>> since that applies not only the physical changes (which is normal) but
>>> the mental changes as well (which you're not supposed to do).
>>>
>>> Also, a human changing into another race is not supposed to lose their
>>> bonus feat or skill points.
>>>
>>> Finally they gain the new racial abilities, but not the automatic
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> In the case of changing to a Gnoll, they don't automatically learn Gnoll
>>> and shouldn't suffer the penalty to INT and CHA, nor should they suddenly
>>> be overspending a feat and 10 skill points.
>>>
>>> In all honesty, I think we're missing templates for Reincarnation.  That
>>> might be a new project that'll have to be touched upon.
>>>
>>> Should we tracker this for Data?
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Accessing file 6653.23666.28432

Data from user Andrew is as follows:

> 2817282 Reincarnation FREQ for Michael...
> <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2817282&group_id=25576&at
>id=750092>
>
> Odd, it's up for me... must be only down for very short periods.

Many thanks!
--
Fluxxdog

The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
think.

You'd be welcome if it worked.  I tried that, thanks.  The software did not
respond at all when I tried to save the change.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
> simply change the race to Gnoll.
>
> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)
>
> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>
>
>
> ainvarg wrote:
> > After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I was
missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but I have one
significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will save for a later
post).
> >
> > My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll.  I've been unable
to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
> >
> > If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
wrong.  But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream.  Or can I?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Related Lists
> > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> > PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
> > PCGen's Roadmap: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap
> > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> > PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
> > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
> >
> > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
> >
> > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> > (for new official data source development)
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Spot on, thanks.  I assumed that the converter would have fixed those, but I
guess if they are that old, I can understand if they didn't look for it.  The
datasets I was working with were CMP 5.12 era, but I had attempted to run
Barak's script against them before bringing them into my 5.16.

Regardless, it's working now.  I'll have to do some searching -- I know that tag
is still in at least one other dataset 'cause I was using it as my model as I
worked last night.

Case closed, thanks!

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Unless you are using a really old version of pcgen, then no. What it
> should be is
>
> AUTO:FEAT|Combat Casting
>
> FEATAUTO was the older version circa pre 5.10 if memory serves me. I'd
> have to dig through the older docs to see when it went away.
>
> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>
>
>
> ainvarg wrote:
> > I have a class that gains Combat Casting for free at second level.  For some
reason, when I try to utilize that class, the feat is not showing up in the
character's list of feats.
> >
> > Should't this be as simple as
> >
> > 2 FEATAUTO:Combat Casting
> >
> > in the classes lst file?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Related Lists
> > PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> > PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
> > PCGen's Roadmap: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap
> > PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> > PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
> > PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
> >
> > PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> > (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
> >
> > PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> > (for new official data source development)
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Oh, wow - wasn't trying to start a new thread of fixes.  As Andrew said, this
probably doesn't come up a lot.

I was just hoping someone could tell me how to approximate it in the software,
not engineer a whole new fix.

For what it's worth, the plan appears to be right on.

Thanks for the quick responses to both questions, folks!

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "Michael W. Fender" <fluxxdog@...> wrote:
>
> Accessing file 6653.23666.28432
>
> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
>
> > 2817282 Reincarnation FREQ for Michael...
> > <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2817282&group_id=25576&at
> >id=750092>
> >
> > Odd, it's up for me... must be only down for very short periods.
>
> Many thanks!
> --
> Fluxxdog
>
> The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
> think.
>

Accessing file 4230.20110.2045

Data from user ainvarg is as follows:

> Oh, wow - wasn't trying to start a new thread of fixes.  As Andrew said,
> this probably doesn't come up a lot.
>
> I was just hoping someone could tell me how to approximate it in the
> software, not engineer a whole new fix.
>
> For what it's worth, the plan appears to be right on.
>
> Thanks for the quick responses to both questions, folks!

Eh, it'll be another project for me.  I've got myself back on track with AEG
Feats sourcebook, and should have that done in the next couple weeks.  Then
Ill have something new to play with ^^

And sometimes, things like this can lead to an improvement for the whole
program.  Never really know until you try.

--
Fluxxdog

The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
think.

Please forgive a question, that is about the spell "Reincarnate" rather than the
implementation in PCGen, but comments posted here have caused me to rethink what
we have done to player characters in our group. 
 
If a character changes from grey elf (+2int +2dex -2str -2con) to dwarf (+2con
-2cha) are you saying they should end up with racial bonuses of (+2int, +2con)? 
 
We did not deny players skills previously gained as to number of ranks or feat
because I know how to edit the character data file, but we would allow the stat
changes to effect skill levels and requirements to do things.  For one unlucky
16th level mage, the use of some of their spells (went from grey elf
to lizardman so lost 4 int  -- 21-4=17 so highest spell able to cast is 7th
level).

--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:


From: Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...>
Subject: Re: [pcgen] [Trackered] How to implement race change due to
reincarnation
To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:17 AM








2817282 Reincarnation FREQ for Michael...
<https://sourceforge .net/tracker/ ?func=detail& aid=2817282& group_id=
25576&atid= 750092>

Odd, it's up for me... must be only down for very short periods.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"

Michael W. Fender wrote:
> Sourceforge is down at the moment for me. They've noted intermittent outages
> and... I guess intermittent is now!
>
> Making a note that this needs to be trackered in Data FReqs:
>
> [*SRD] Reincarnation Templates
> The basic premise is applying the stat adjustments and abilities, but not
> interfering with some of what the base race has.
>
> Issues:
> Remove Physical Stat adjustment of old race
> Apply physical stat adjustments of new race
> Reduce HD by one (or, if LV 1, -2 CON)
> Add racial abilities as appropriate. Reincarnate seems to imply anything
> physical, such as movement and speed, natural armor, natural attacks, and
> extraordinary abilties. It doesn't go as far to say that supernatural or
> spell-like are added, simply because this could overpower a creature.
>
> Races listed under Reincarnation (14 total):
> Bugbear
> Dwarf
> Elf
> Gnoll
> Gnome
> Goblin
> Half-elf
> Half-orc
> Halfling
> Human
> Kobold
> Lizardfolk
> Orc
> Troglodyte
>
> As far as calling what goes and what doesn't, consider the Gnome:
> +2 Constitution, -2 Strength - obviously
> * Small size - PCGen should automatically change the bonuses and penalties for
> size (i.e. BONUS:SIZEMOD| NUMBER|-1)
> * Gnome base land speed is 20 feet - easy enough
> * Low-Light Vision - This would be considered Extraordinary
> * Automatic Languages - already nixed by the spell description
>
> * Spell-Like Abilities - doesn't seem like it should apply as they're not
> truly Extraordinary
> * Favored Class - the base race should be determining the favored class
>
> The following could have issues:
> * Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes may treat gnome hooked hammers as martial weapons
> rather than exotic weapons
> * +2 racial bonus on saving throws against illusions
> * Add +1 to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against illusion spells
> cast by gnomes. This adjustment stacks with those from similar effects
> * +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against kobolds and goblinoids
> * +4 dodge bonus to Armor Class against monsters of the giant type
> * +2 racial bonus on Listen checks.
> * +2 racial bonus on Craft (alchemy) checks.
>
> Are these considered a racial traits or a common training for gnomes as
> they're growing up? In the end, the RSRD does list all these traits as
> Extraordinary.
>
> Accessing file 12288.21000. 10305
>
> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
>
>
>> Yeah, might as well. Not sure how easy it will be to implement.
>>
>> Though the answer to the question is correct, changing a race is easy,
>> the stuff tackled on by virtue of reincarnation is not so easily dealt
>> with.
>>
>> Perhaps a simple thing of Template - Race Changed to... Leaving the Base
>> Race alone.
>>
>> I don't know, I'm too tired to think it through at this point.
>>
>> That does sound like an awful lot of work for something that does get
>> seen that often.
>>
>
>
>> Michael W. Fender wrote:
>>
>>> Accessing file 32510.4440.15769
>>>
>>> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
>>>
>>>> ainvarg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I
>>>>> was missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but
>>>>> I have one significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will
>>>>> save for a later post).
>>>>>
>>>>> My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
>>>>> tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll. I've been
>>>>> unable to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
>>>>> wrong. But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream. Or can
>>>>> I?
>>>>>
>>>> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
>>>> simply change the race to Gnoll.
>>>>
>>>> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)
>>>>
>>> Too bad the answer's wrong.
>>>
>>> Reincarnating a creature is difficult. You can't just change the race,
>>> since that applies not only the physical changes (which is normal) but
>>> the mental changes as well (which you're not supposed to do).
>>>
>>> Also, a human changing into another race is not supposed to lose their
>>> bonus feat or skill points.
>>>
>>> Finally they gain the new racial abilities, but not the automatic
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> In the case of changing to a Gnoll, they don't automatically learn Gnoll
>>> and shouldn't suffer the penalty to INT and CHA, nor should they suddenly
>>> be overspending a feat and 10 skill points.
>>>
>>> In all honesty, I think we're missing templates for Reincarnation. That
>>> might be a new project that'll have to be touched upon.
>>>
>>> Should we tracker this for Data?
>>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The way we interpreted it in my case was the elven physical ability adjustments
(+2 Dex, -2 Con) were removed and the gnoll physical ability adjustments were
applied (+4 Str, +2 Con, iirc).

In the case you describe, I think he would keep the mental ability adjustment
(+2 Int) and lose the physical ability adjustments (+2 Dex, -2 Str, -2 Con) of
the gray elf, which would be replaced with the physical ability adjustment of
the dwarf (+2 Con).  So to say it simply, yes, I think he's going to have a
total ability adjustment of +2 Int and +2 Con when all is said and done.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Natalie Holeman <talia_egh@...> wrote:
>
> Please forgive a question, that is about the spell "Reincarnate" rather than
the implementation in PCGen, but comments posted here have caused me to rethink
what we have done to player characters in our group. 
>  
> If a character changes from grey elf (+2int +2dex -2str -2con) to dwarf (+2con
-2cha) are you saying they should end up with racial bonuses of (+2int, +2con)? 
>  
> We did not deny players skills previously gained as to number of ranks or feat
because I know how to edit the character data file, but we would allow the stat
changes to effect skill levels and requirements to do things.  For one unlucky
16th level mage, the use of some of their spells (went from grey elf
to lizardman so lost 4 int  -- 21-4=17 so highest spell able to cast is 7th
level).
>
> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...>
> Subject: Re: [pcgen] [Trackered] How to implement race change due to
reincarnation
> To: pcgen@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 2:17 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2817282 Reincarnation FREQ for Michael...
> <https://sourceforge .net/tracker/ ?func=detail& aid=2817282& group_id=
25576&atid= 750092>
>
> Odd, it's up for me... must be only down for very short periods.
>
> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>
> Michael W. Fender wrote:
> > Sourceforge is down at the moment for me. They've noted intermittent outages
> > and... I guess intermittent is now!
> >
> > Making a note that this needs to be trackered in Data FReqs:
> >
> > [*SRD] Reincarnation Templates
> > The basic premise is applying the stat adjustments and abilities, but not
> > interfering with some of what the base race has.
> >
> > Issues:
> > Remove Physical Stat adjustment of old race
> > Apply physical stat adjustments of new race
> > Reduce HD by one (or, if LV 1, -2 CON)
> > Add racial abilities as appropriate. Reincarnate seems to imply anything
> > physical, such as movement and speed, natural armor, natural attacks, and
> > extraordinary abilties. It doesn't go as far to say that supernatural or
> > spell-like are added, simply because this could overpower a creature.
> >
> > Races listed under Reincarnation (14 total):
> > Bugbear
> > Dwarf
> > Elf
> > Gnoll
> > Gnome
> > Goblin
> > Half-elf
> > Half-orc
> > Halfling
> > Human
> > Kobold
> > Lizardfolk
> > Orc
> > Troglodyte
> >
> > As far as calling what goes and what doesn't, consider the Gnome:
> > +2 Constitution, -2 Strength - obviously
> > * Small size - PCGen should automatically change the bonuses and penalties
for
> > size (i.e. BONUS:SIZEMOD| NUMBER|-1)
> > * Gnome base land speed is 20 feet - easy enough
> > * Low-Light Vision - This would be considered Extraordinary
> > * Automatic Languages - already nixed by the spell description
> >
> > * Spell-Like Abilities - doesn't seem like it should apply as they're not
> > truly Extraordinary
> > * Favored Class - the base race should be determining the favored class
> >
> > The following could have issues:
> > * Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes may treat gnome hooked hammers as martial
weapons
> > rather than exotic weapons
> > * +2 racial bonus on saving throws against illusions
> > * Add +1 to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against illusion
spells
> > cast by gnomes. This adjustment stacks with those from similar effects
> > * +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against kobolds and goblinoids
> > * +4 dodge bonus to Armor Class against monsters of the giant type
> > * +2 racial bonus on Listen checks.
> > * +2 racial bonus on Craft (alchemy) checks.
> >
> > Are these considered a racial traits or a common training for gnomes as
> > they're growing up? In the end, the RSRD does list all these traits as
> > Extraordinary.
> >
> > Accessing file 12288.21000. 10305
> >
> > Data from user Andrew is as follows:
> >
> >
> >> Yeah, might as well. Not sure how easy it will be to implement.
> >>
> >> Though the answer to the question is correct, changing a race is easy,
> >> the stuff tackled on by virtue of reincarnation is not so easily dealt
> >> with.
> >>
> >> Perhaps a simple thing of Template - Race Changed to... Leaving the Base
> >> Race alone.
> >>
> >> I don't know, I'm too tired to think it through at this point.
> >>
> >> That does sound like an awful lot of work for something that does get
> >> seen that often.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Michael W. Fender wrote:
> >>
> >>> Accessing file 32510.4440.15769
> >>>
> >>> Data from user Andrew is as follows:
> >>>
> >>>> ainvarg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> After some puzzling, I'm tickled to say I've figured out most of what I
> >>>>> was missing for my primary character without posting to the forums, but
> >>>>> I have one significant roadblock remaining (and a smaller one I will
> >>>>> save for a later post).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My seventh-level character got a little too much quality time with a
> >>>>> tyrannosaurus' maw, leading to his reincarnation as a gnoll. I've been
> >>>>> unable to determine how to record the change in PCGen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I recreate him from scratch starting as a gnoll, the skills will be
> >>>>> wrong. But I don't think I can change his race in mid-stream. Or can
> >>>>> I?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Easy, change the race from what he was, to what he is. Or in your case,
> >>>> simply change the race to Gnoll.
> >>>>
> >>>> That is the easiest question I've had in a long time. Thanks. :)
> >>>>
> >>> Too bad the answer's wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Reincarnating a creature is difficult. You can't just change the race,
> >>> since that applies not only the physical changes (which is normal) but
> >>> the mental changes as well (which you're not supposed to do).
> >>>
> >>> Also, a human changing into another race is not supposed to lose their
> >>> bonus feat or skill points.
> >>>
> >>> Finally they gain the new racial abilities, but not the automatic
> >>> languages.
> >>>
> >>> In the case of changing to a Gnoll, they don't automatically learn Gnoll
> >>> and shouldn't suffer the penalty to INT and CHA, nor should they suddenly
> >>> be overspending a feat and 10 skill points.
> >>>
> >>> In all honesty, I think we're missing templates for Reincarnation. That
> >>> might be a new project that'll have to be touched upon.
> >>>
> >>> Should we tracker this for Data?
> >>>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I notice that there is an option to export to Fantasy Grounds in 5.16.0 --
perhaps it was there earlier -- but I have no idea how to take advantage of it. 
Any FG users out there that can educate me regarding the use of this potentially
very useful feature?

Yeah, the converter will only work on syntax current with 5.14+
Barak's Converter is meant for 5.12 to 5.14
Prettylst can do 'some' conversion pre 5.12

In all cases, the docs for the version you are using will show the
current tokens/tags.

Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"



ainvarg wrote:
> Spot on, thanks.  I assumed that the converter would have fixed those, but I
guess if they are that old, I can understand if they didn't look for it.  The
datasets I was working with were CMP 5.12 era, but I had attempted to run
Barak's script against them before bringing them into my 5.16.
>
> Regardless, it's working now.  I'll have to do some searching -- I know that
tag is still in at least one other dataset 'cause I was using it as my model as
I worked last night.
>
> Case closed, thanks!
>
> --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
>> Unless you are using a really old version of pcgen, then no. What it
>> should be is
>>
>> AUTO:FEAT|Combat Casting
>>
>> FEATAUTO was the older version circa pre 5.10 if memory serves me. I'd
>> have to dig through the older docs to see when it went away.
>>
>> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
>> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
>> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
>> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>>
>>
>>
>> ainvarg wrote:
>>
>>> I have a class that gains Combat Casting for free at second level.  For some
reason, when I try to utilize that class, the feat is not showing up in the
character's list of feats.
>>>
>>> Should't this be as simple as
>>>
>>> 2 FEATAUTO:Combat Casting
>>>
>>> in the classes lst file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Related Lists
>>> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
>>> PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
>>> PCGen's Roadmap: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap
>>> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
>>> PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
>>> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
>>>
>>> PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
>>> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
>>>
>>> PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
>>> (for new official data source development)
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Related Lists
> PCGen's release site: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net
> PCGen's Wiki: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki
> PCGen's Roadmap: http://www.pcgen-test.org/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap
> PCGen's alpha build: http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/07_autobuilds.php
> PCGen's Online Docs: http://pcgen-test.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html
> PCGen's Backup Autobuilds and Docs:
http://pcgen.akozakis.id.au/autobuilds/download.html
>
> PCGen List File Help: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/PCGenListFileHelp/
> (for assistance in creating new homebrew or official list files)
>
> PCGen Experimental: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen_experimental/
> (for new official data source development)
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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Accessing file 18164.20151.3643

Data from user Natalie is as follows:

> Please forgive a question, that is about the spell "Reincarnate" rather
> than the implementation in PCGen, but comments posted here have caused me
> to rethink what we have done to player characters in our group.

> If a character changes from grey elf (+2int +2dex -2str -2con) to dwarf
> (+2con -2cha) are you saying they should end up with racial bonuses of
> (+2int, +2con)?

The way it's read, they keep their INT bonus but don't get the CHA penalty.
As for their other stats, they'd basically get +2 STR, -2 DEX, +4 CON.  That's
the net effect of reincarnating an elf into a dwarf.

> We did not deny players skills previously gained as to number of ranks or
> feat because I know how to edit the character data file, but we would allow
> the stat changes to effect skill levels and requirements to do things.  For
> one unlucky 16th level mage, the use of some of their spells (went from
> grey elf to lizardman so lost 4 int  -- 21-4=17 so highest spell able to
> cast is 7th level).

Here's the thing:  With Reincarnate, they should never have lost the
Intelligence.  It's only their Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution that
should have been adjusted.

From a game play point of view, it's the same person, just a different body.
Think of them being permanently polymorphed.  So you keep the mental, but
change the physical.
--
Fluxxdog

The worst crime you can commit against another human being is to make them
think.

[Chair]Eddy: *bangs gavel*
[Chair]Eddy: All right, I'll start
[Chair]Eddy: Content Report:
[Chair]Eddy: Docs
[Chair]Eddy: Doc Bugs: 0 (0 total, -1 since last meeting)
[Chair]Eddy: Doc FREQs: 0 for 5.16.1 (60 total, unchanged since last
meeting)

[Chair]Eddy: Output Sheets
[Chair]Eddy: OS Bugs: 0 for 5.16.1 (8, -3 since last meeting)
[Chair]Eddy: OS FREQs: 0 for 5.16.1 (34 total, +1 since last meeting)

[Chair]Eddy: Data
[Chair]Eddy: Data Bugs: 0 for 5.16.1 (30 Total, -4 since last meeting)
[Chair]Eddy: Data FREQs: 4 for 5.16.1 (115 Total, +1 since last meeting)
[Chair]Eddy: All of the data trackers are related to the Pathfinder beta,
any that are still unresolved when the code team is ready to release will be
rolled into the PF final developement effort once that begins.

[Chair]Eddy: New Source Development: 0 for 5.16.1 (9 Total, -2 since last
meeting)
[Chair]Eddy: The 4e Starter Set is up on the release site.

[Chair]Eddy: That's pretty much it  Content is go for 5.16.1
[Chair]Eddy: Questions?
[OGL]Nylanfs: None from me
[Arch_SB]thpr: no
[PL_2nd]Paul: i'm good
[Chair]Eddy: Cool, who wants to go next?
[Arch_SB]thpr: I can
[Chair]Eddy: Please do
[Arch_SB]thpr: Code has at least 2 bugs, maybe 3 for 5.16.1
[Arch_SB]thpr: The one I currently own, I need to do more research on to
determine the impact
[Arch_SB]thpr: I've discussed with James and if it turns into a big rip &
repair, then it's a 5.17 defect
[Arch_SB]thpr: The number of bugs has been reduced by at least 2 since the
last meeting
[Arch_SB]thpr: but I'm unsure of the exact number, since I think I've missed
at least 2 consecutive meetings due to travel
[Arch_SB]thpr: So code has a bit of work for 5.16.1 still
[Arch_SB]thpr: any questions on code?
[OGL]Nylanfs: What's the one that might need a big rip & repair?
[Arch_SB]thpr: can't make spells in list editor stick for sorcerer - ID:
2789566
[OGL]Nylanfs: Oh, yes I remember seeing that.
[Chair]Eddy: I know we don't want to delay to much longer if we want to get
5.16.1 on a CD out at GenCon
[Arch_SB]thpr: do we have the funds for that?
[Arch_SB]thpr: I didn't think there was much left after paying for the booth
[Arch_SB]thpr: (or any left, actually, I thought Kar was filling a hold)
[Arch_SB]thpr: *hole)
[Chair]Eddy: not sure, Eric is moving forward with it
[Arch_SB]thpr: we need to check that
[Arch_SB]thpr: that's a significant expense
[Arch_SB]thpr: and if we do it
[OGL]Nylanfs: Should I get a job back before then I'll be able to contribute
some cash for the CD's and flyers
[Arch_SB]thpr: need the drop dead date from Eric
[OGL]Nylanfs: :)
[Arch_SB]thpr: here's hoping
[Arch_SB]thpr: other questions or concerns, or on to arch?
[Chair]Eddy: none here
[OGL]Nylanfs: Nothing more from me
[Arch_SB]thpr: on the arch side, I've put a number of postings across the
-dev list
[Arch_SB]thpr: very little response so far, though there is more to explain
[Arch_SB]thpr: I'm not sure if I'm being Warnocked again or whether I'm not
explaining enough
[Arch_SB]thpr: time will tell I guess
[OGL]Nylanfs: I've been listening, very interesting so far
[Arch_SB]thpr: but it would be nice to have some of the new developers raise
a hand on something they are interested in
[Arch_SB]thpr: (or existing developers too!)
[Arch_SB]thpr: on code modification, I've taken out many of the clones, and
started to push forward type safety
[Arch_SB]thpr: this has helped a tiny bit on the performance side (a few %
according to my tests)
[Arch_SB]thpr: more work to come there, but PCClass and Ability are tougher
items to make safe
[Arch_SB]thpr: I also checked in the first new CHOOSE token yesterday, and
there are now a few of the "new" CHOOSE tokens to test
[Arch_SB]thpr: Some pushing on those to make sure they work would be
appreciated
[Arch_SB]thpr: since things like CHOOSE:STAT can flow into a BONUS
[Arch_SB]thpr: any questions?
[Chair]Eddy: nope
[OGL]Nylanfs: None from me
[Chair]Eddy: K, Paul, Paul, anything to report?
[PL_2nd]Paul: i don't have anything
[OGL]Nylanfs: Nothing that I'm aware of
[PL_2nd]Paul: i've been so wrapped up in school stuff, that i don't have
much time to keep up with the PCGen lists
[OGL]Nylanfs: I've made a couple of references to the 4e starter set in a
couple of places in WotC forums but no nibbles that I'm aware of
[Chair]Eddy: OK, we'll move on to the agenda, such as it is
[OGL]Nylanfs: Chris will probably make a full announcement for them since
there's a regular OOC download for it now
[Chair]Eddy: 1.)  5.16.1 - Are we close to done?
[Chair]Eddy: Content is ready to go to RC1 whenever the other teams are.
[Chair]Eddy: We've covered that pretty well
[Chair]Eddy: 2.)  Gencon - How's our preperation going?
[Chair]Eddy: We can't really discuss this without any of the active
participants
[OGL]Nylanfs: Well I'm almost prepared to go
[Chair]Eddy: I've got graphics ready anyway
[OGL]Nylanfs: Need to pick up a remnant carpet piece with some cushion or
padding on the back
[OGL]Nylanfs: If you leave off the final version we could get flyer's made
at any point
[OGL]Nylanfs: If I remember correctly flyers took 2 weeks from order
[Chair]Eddy: I've made a versionless version  :-)
[OGL]Nylanfs: :)
[Chair]Eddy: I'm also working on a flyer that states we'er supporting
Pathfinder
[Chair]Eddy: Anyway..
[Chair]Eddy: 3.)  Roadmap - Have Data/Code reconciled those remaining
trackers?
[Chair]Eddy: Yes, I have completed a review of the data bug/freq trackers,
[Chair]Eddy: most of the P4 and lower tracker (the ones which need code
support) now have a link to a code FREQ tracker even if there is not a clear
coarse of action (it is assumed the spec will be worked out later).
[Chair]Eddy: There were a few I didn't know what to do with but they
concerned very corner cases
[Arch_SB]thpr: good news
[Chair]Eddy: So I believe we can start scope disscussions
[Chair]Eddy: sorry it took so long
[Arch_SB]thpr: are all the code freqs properly set in priority?
[Arch_SB]thpr: meaning prio 3? or 6?
[Arch_SB]thpr: no worries
[Chair]Eddy: All those I opened for this are P3
[Arch_SB]thpr: k
[Chair]Eddy: I may open some more, I'm going through ,y notes to see if I
can find old FREQs I never entered
[Arch_SB]thpr: ok
[Arch_SB]thpr: I'll start reading through what is there
[Arch_SB]thpr: and may start some discussions on _exp
[Arch_SB]thpr: since those are inherently higher on the list
[Chair]Eddy: ok
[Chair]Eddy: That's all I got on the agenda, anyone have any open topics?
[Arch_SB]thpr: not from me
[OGL]Nylanfs: Not from me
[Chair]Eddy: OK then, lets call it a night
[PL_2nd]Paul: k
[Chair]Eddy: *bangs gavel* thanks for coming everyone

The converter appears to have changed a lot of other tags to "AUTO:" format -
WEAPONPROF, for example - but missed every single "FEATAUTO:"  Mass find and
replace in process...

If that's the worst of it, I got off easy, I know.  Thanks for all the help. 
I'm sure I will be back.

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the converter will only work on syntax current with 5.14+
> Barak's Converter is meant for 5.12 to 5.14
> Prettylst can do 'some' conversion pre 5.12
>
> In all cases, the docs for the version you are using will show the
> current tokens/tags.
>
> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
>
>
>
> ainvarg wrote:
> > Spot on, thanks.  I assumed that the converter would have fixed those, but I
guess if they are that old, I can understand if they didn't look for it.  The
datasets I was working with were CMP 5.12 era, but I had attempted to run
Barak's script against them before bringing them into my 5.16.
> >
> > Regardless, it's working now.  I'll have to do some searching -- I know that
tag is still in at least one other dataset 'cause I was using it as my model as
I worked last night.
> >
> > Case closed, thanks!
> >
> > --- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Maitland <drew0500@> wrote:
> >
> >> Unless you are using a really old version of pcgen, then no. What it
> >> should be is
> >>
> >> AUTO:FEAT|Combat Casting
> >>
> >> FEATAUTO was the older version circa pre 5.10 if memory serves me. I'd
> >> have to dig through the older docs to see when it went away.
> >>
> >> Andrew Maitland (LegacyKing)
> >> Admin Silverback, PCGen Board of Directors
> >> Data Chimp, Docs Tamarin
> >> Unique Title "Quick-Silverback Tracker Monkey"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ainvarg wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a class that gains Combat Casting for free at second level.  For
some reason, when I try to utilize that class, the feat is not showing up in the
character's list of feats.
> >>>
> >>> Should't this be as simple as
> >>>
> >>> 2 FEATAUTO:Combat Casting
> >>>
> >>> in the classes lst file?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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This appears to be the answer, courtesy of the Fantasy Grounds community boards:

http://fantasygrounds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=51280&postcount=12

Thanks!

--- In pcgen@yahoogroups.com, "ainvarg" <ainvarg@...> wrote:
>
> I notice that there is an option to export to Fantasy Grounds in 5.16.0 --
perhaps it was there earlier -- but I have no idea how to take advantage of it. 
Any FG users out there that can educate me regarding the use of this potentially
very useful feature?
>

The old file structure for the CMP datasets (directly under data) doesn't appear
to be working in 5.16.0.  Do the CMP files perchance need to be under the
data/customsources folder?