True a possible stretch, but how much does humanity know about how far the Vampires especially have gotten into their infrastructure and power structure?
They might out of fear cause a crash, just cause they get paranoid and strike at the Vamires and in the process find out how much the Vampires own every thing? Got their teeth into alot of things.
The whole herd animal thing, likely once the human civilization falls from their attack at anyone who might be a Vampires, they find their civilization in ruins and the Vampires have to take ofter to oddly preserve what is left?
But yes a stretch, but so was many ideas for how the appocalypse happens?
I still like to think there is more than the wolf, bat forms out there, that their is other animals that could have "hybridized" with humans and became liek the Vampire and Lycan? Any suggestions or move to another list?
Subject: Re: [PAForge] Fw: Underworld as Post-Appocalyptic?
I don't understand why a take over by Lycan and Vampire would precipitate the fall of civilizations. Presumably they would not have allowed the advancement of civilization in the first place had they not themselves enjoyed its benefits.
So... really, the whole premise that human's would be treated as herd animals without civilization is invalid from my stand point by the simple fact that the extra-ordinary beings may like THEIR SUV's and TV's and Latte's and its not likely that they would want the burden of creating those things. Why not let the cattle do it and we will feed off the weak?
I don't understand why a take over by Lycan and Vampire would precipitate the fall of civilizations. Presumably they would not have allowed the advancement of civilization in the first place had they not themselves enjoyed its benefits.
So... really, the whole premise that human's would be treated as herd animals without civilization is invalid from my stand point by the simple fact that the extra-ordinary beings may like THEIR SUV's and TV's and Latte's and its not likely that they would want the burden of creating those things. Why not let the cattle do it and we will feed off the weak?
Imagine a world where the family of Corvino and all, takes over and in the process, what happens? Fall of human civilization for sure, as humans are turned into little more than cattle for the feeding of Lycan and the Vampires and what else?
I wonder if there was other covens and forms of beasts?
China and its mixed human and animal? Lycanthropes are not unknown in other parts of the planet?
Masquerade takes over and runs things? I expect with the Vampires connections they have access to alot of current and near term high tech, to include ways to take over if they so desired or had to?
Imagine a world where the Lycan and Vampires come out of the dark and take over and drive humanity into being little more than cattle for the feeding pleasure of the family of Corvino (adopted and such). Yes, this would mean that the truce and like of the various houses would have to end, as humanity find out about the subspeciess of humans, and reacts? Vampire hunters at first, lycan as well and then what? open war and ... would civilization fall totally or ... Mad Max in feel or what?
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Abrigon Gusiq" <abrigon@...> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:50 PM Subject: Re: Underworld as fantasy?
Or make it even more fun, make it Logans Run, but the cattlle have escaped with a hunter? Post-Apoc world, with vampires running things, and all humans must die at 21 or close to then, as a way to keep them fertile, good blood, but not smart enough to realize whst is going on? Culling the herd?
Wraith (Sg1/SGA) or normal Vampires or something more exotic? I use nanotech but genetics can work as well or .. Or just straight fantasy or what? White Wolf, but ..
Mike
Blade Runner, hum, possible as well. Would make for some fun, genetic and all, what about other genetic based movies?
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Imagine a world where the family of Corvino and all, takes over and in the
process, what happens? Fall of human civilization for sure, as humans are
turned into little more than cattle for the feeding of Lycan and the
Vampires and what else?
I wonder if there was other covens and forms of beasts?
China and its mixed human and animal? Lycanthropes are not unknown in other
parts of the planet?
Masquerade takes over and runs things? I expect with the Vampires
connections they have access to alot of current and near term high tech, to
include ways to take over if they so desired or had to?
Imagine a world where the Lycan and Vampires come out of the dark and take
over and drive humanity into being little more than cattle for the feeding
pleasure of the family of Corvino (adopted and such). Yes, this would mean
that the truce and like of the various houses would have to end, as humanity
find out about the subspeciess of humans, and reacts? Vampire hunters at
first, lycan as well and then what? open war and ... would civilization fall
totally or ... Mad Max in feel or what?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abrigon Gusiq" <abrigon@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: Underworld as fantasy?
Or make it even more fun, make it Logans Run, but the cattlle
have escaped with a hunter? Post-Apoc world, with vampires
running things, and all humans must die at 21 or close to then,
as a way to keep them fertile, good blood, but not smart enough
to realize whst is going on? Culling the herd?
Wraith (Sg1/SGA) or normal Vampires or something more exotic? I
use nanotech but genetics can work as well or .. Or just
straight fantasy or what? White Wolf, but ..
Mike
Blade Runner, hum, possible as well. Would make for some fun, genetic and
all, what about other genetic based movies?
Still a bit jumbled, but at least I can understand what you're aiming at now. Yes, there certainly is scope for more high tech PA settings and tales, and you could get a lot of mileage out of such a setting. It's not one I've personally encountered much, but as one example, the recently released Eclipse Phase RPG by Catalyst is basically a PA setting where what's left of transhumanity is scattered throughout our solar system following the horrendous destruction and infection of Earth.
Colin
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From: Abrigon Gusiq <abrigon@...> To: paforge@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 8:14:46 Subject: Re: [PAForge] Fw: Space Colonies...

Sorry replying to an old email I posts..
Post Apocalyptic, Buck Rogers and what else? Yes, not all post-apoc is the survivors on the planet, or space empire, but some are those who escaped and now are back to see the results?
I Was more asking a question about the book by I believe Campbell, about some space aliens who invade Earth in the middle of like WW2 or something in that nature, and become part of the war, as they find humanity is much better at war, and got more brains than the aliens, whose only thing they have is their higher tech (liklely not their own, but stolen from another race?).
Post-Apoc can be space based, where a race like humanity, comes upon the left over tech of a alien race that died out or fell down or just now not around?
Sorry, Mike, I'm pretty new here, but I've got to ask: what's with all the forwarded e-mails that are fragmented and barely decipherable? If you were simply trying to raise the point that, "Wouldn't it be interesting if a spacefaring culture, such as that found in BSG, landed on a PA world?" why not simply post that? Honestly, mate, nearly all of your posts are baffling. If you've got something cool to share take a moment to string a complete sentence or two together instead of just forward disjointed fragments. That way folks would be far more likely to respond because they'd know what you were trying to say or ask.
Radioactive Ape Designs!
From: Abrigon Gusiq <abrigon@gmail. com> To: paforge@yahoogroups .com Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 4:20:04 Subject: [PAForge] Fw: Space Colonies...
Book by Campbell or .. Name and time it was published?
Post Apocalyptic, Buck Rogers and what else? Yes, not all post-apoc is the survivors on the planet, or space empire, but some are those who escaped and now are back to see the results?
I Was more asking a question about the book by I believe Campbell, about some space aliens who invade Earth in the middle of like WW2 or something in that nature, and become part of the war, as they find humanity is much better at war, and got more brains than the aliens, whose only thing they have is their higher tech (liklely not their own, but stolen from another race?).
Post-Apoc can be space based, where a race like humanity, comes upon the left over tech of a alien race that died out or fell down or just now not around?
Sorry, Mike, I'm pretty new here, but I've got to ask: what's with all the forwarded e-mails that are fragmented and barely decipherable? If you were simply trying to raise the point that, "Wouldn't it be interesting if a spacefaring culture, such as that found in BSG, landed on a PA world?" why not simply post that? Honestly, mate, nearly all of your posts are baffling. If you've got something cool to share take a moment to string a complete sentence or two together instead of just forward disjointed fragments. That way folks would be far more likely to respond because they'd know what you were trying to say or ask.
Radioactive Ape Designs!
From: Abrigon Gusiq <abrigon@...> To: paforge@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 4:20:04 Subject: [PAForge] Fw: Space Colonies...
Book by Campbell or .. Name and time it was published?
Sorry, Mike, I'm pretty new here, but I've got to ask: what's with all the forwarded e-mails that are fragmented and barely decipherable? If you were simply trying to raise the point that, "Wouldn't it be interesting if a spacefaring culture, such as that found in BSG, landed on a PA world?" why not simply post that? Honestly, mate, nearly all of your posts are baffling. If you've got something cool to share take a moment to string a complete sentence or two together instead of just forward disjointed fragments. That way folks would be far more likely to respond because they'd know what you were trying to say or ask.
Radioactive Ape Designs!
From: Abrigon Gusiq <abrigon@...> To: paforge@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 4:20:04 Subject: [PAForge] Fw: Space Colonies...
Book by Campbell or .. Name and time it was published?
Book by Campbell or .. Name and time it was published?
Mike
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abrigon Gusiq" <abrigon@...>
> To: <paforge@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [PAForge] Space Colonies...
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>
>> Not heard Buck Roger in a long time but .. Yes agreed. Gamma
>> World.
>>
>> Many authors/etc have wrote stories of PA Colonies come back.
>> H.Beam Piper to Battle Star Galactica. The Mythical Earth
>> Scenario. As well as things like Titan:AE
>>
>> Imagine BSG coming to a PA world? Andre Norton did some stories
>> as well. And others..
>>
>> One I loves waa the one where lion like space aliens invaded in
>> the middle of a world war, and the aliens was not as smart as
>> humans, and they sort of lost out in the end, and humanity just
>> added them to the fun, but also swipped the aliens tech for
>> their own wars.
>>
>> Mike
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Could make for some wild fun, rebuild the nation using the railroads of America has someone mentioned?
Its how the US was build to the modern nation it is!
Overlords, hum, nice name and concept Sam.. Could very well work.
Would make for a fun Twilight 2000 concept, but instead of rebuilding, more like escaping, but how far would you get on hijacked rail roads? Or as HoBos?
Mike
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