Hey guys have you heard of the sequel version of Hunter the Reckoning
for XBOX?  Well it is a 3rd person shooter game that involves
fighting and hacking and slashing off zombies.  It involves the mind
and of course entails adventure!! Check out the trailer for a taste
http://www.hunterthereckoning.com/redeemer

Hey all,

I'm going through the list of bouncing accounts on all of the lists I own or
manage, and clearing all that have been bouncing as of before 6/1/2003.  I'll
be sending reactivation requests to all others.  So... if you (or some of
your friends who are on this list, but haven't been getting mail) don't
receive this E-mail or receive a strange-looking request from Yahoo, you know
why.


Joel N. Fischoff

--- In minds@yahoogroups.com, Mark Davy <demonsreiche@y...> wrote:

I don't know but feel free to send them and Yahoo egroups will archive
it :). I have little to send other than a Vampire Larp character and
three Mages. But the old members here know about the LARP character
:). We had a big discussion on him years ago weighing the merits of a
Dark Fate and a Guardian Angel trait in one character...

Anybody interested in three Mages (they're brothers).

Oscar

> Something somewhat unrelated to the previous posts:
> does anyone still archive original or revisited
> concepts for the World of Darkness since the site for
> BJ Zanzibar's stopped accepting new works? I was
> wondering as I found some Totems for Werewolf I once
> did for the BJ Zanzibar archive on another person's
> website (which I found quite flattering, to be
> honest). I have done about five Gypsy family revisions
> and such because I liked the book THAT much, and I
> cannot figure out if anyone would even want
> information like that.
>
> Beyond that, I should actually start doing up more
> concrete descriptions of the characters I run online
> in IRC roleplaying game channels (which are usually a
> cross between free-form and tabletop dice rolling,
> depending on where you go). I even did up a twisted
> version of myself who is roaming the World of Darkness
> with a pack of vampires bugging his bottom, and a pack
> of werewolves howling at him to get their stuff done
> for them. (Lazy blighters, the lot of these
> supernatual ilk.)
>
>
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I checked out the site and was very impressed with those cool
screenshots.  I was never aware that there was an original Hunter THe
Reckoning, but now i know cause Hunter THe Reckoning:  Wayward is a
sequel game...hehheh ANyway..very excited for the game.  When is the
release date?

--- In minds@yahoogroups.com, "miikywayz" <miikywayz@y...> wrote:
> There's a sequel to the Xbox game Hunter the Reckoning on PS2
called
> Wayward where they have ironed out the probs from the initial
> version that they put out last year. I read that its gonna be
really
> great, I can at least vouch for the graphics and stuff that I saw
on
> the trailer at http://www.hunterthereckoning.com/wayward. Its
> fantasy and RPG and FPS. What more can you ask for?

About video games and tabletop gaming:

I have actually tried to translate some of my
favourite video game characters into viable characters
for the World of Darkness with varying success. I
cannot say that "Street Fighter" is a grand example of
how this would be done, but it IS a start. Nor will I
ever state that I will be doing up a World of Darkness
version of "Diablo," "Duke Nukem," or "The Getaway."
If anyone wants those, they are on their own.

Now that being said, I have a few gamer friends who
are junkies when it comes to the "Silent Hill/
Resident Evil" series. Being so, I have wondered if
anyone else has ever sought to itemize such characters
into playable templates for their friends to use and
get into the action with. I am not very good at doing
a horror setup (one reason I steer FAR from Call of
Cthulhu), but I know others are...



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Something somewhat unrelated to the previous posts:
does anyone still archive original or revisited
concepts for the World of Darkness since the site for
BJ Zanzibar's stopped accepting new works? I was
wondering as I found some Totems for Werewolf I once
did for the BJ Zanzibar archive on another person's
website (which I found quite flattering, to be
honest). I have done about five Gypsy family revisions
and such because I liked the book THAT much, and I
cannot figure out if anyone would even want
information like that.

Beyond that, I should actually start doing up more
concrete descriptions of the characters I run online
in IRC roleplaying game channels (which are usually a
cross between free-form and tabletop dice rolling,
depending on where you go). I even did up a twisted
version of myself who is roaming the World of Darkness
with a pack of vampires bugging his bottom, and a pack
of werewolves howling at him to get their stuff done
for them. (Lazy blighters, the lot of these
supernatual ilk.)


Athyra Di Giovanni



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> > > There's a sequel to the Xbox game Hunter the
> > > Reckoning on PS2

> > Who cares?  This is a tabletop RPG forum.  Beat it.
> > Scram.  Get lost.

> Concidering how quiet the list is, why not bring up
> things that relate?

Hmm...  You make a point.  How about this one:  Considering how quiet
the list is, why not bring up things that are on-topic?

What I really find distasteful is that the message exhibits the feel
of a hit-and-run advertisement ala Pattern Recognition (but poorly
done), rather than a "Hey, you guys who have been writing about the
Hunter video game, there's a new version coming out that you might
want to check out"-feel of someone who geniunely wants to share.  The
original poster is welcome to prove me wrong by posting an original
character idea here.

And to avoid coloring my pot the same color as my kettle, does anyone
use any specific online resource for creating/storing WW characters?
I've seen a couple online, but I'm interested in what your favorites
are and why.

Remember that originally the Great Minds list was a kind of character
exhibition (in spite of the description given at Yahoo Groups).  I
wasn't ever particularly enthralled with the TV-based characters, but
at least there was some discussion over it.  I would rather see the
group die than have it live on as a mouthpiece for console RPG
fanatics.  It's hard enough finding solid RPG resources (don't kid me
by citing RPG Host - all that's left would be ELN with no
alternative) without sifting through 8 bazillion CRPG sites that
insist that computer roleplaying is the shiznat.

Anyway, that's more rant than I cared to paint myself into a corner
with. I'm really a nice guy.  :)

Owen

Concidering how quiet the list is, why not bring up
things that relate?
--- ringmasterow <a_yahoo@...> wrote:
> --- In minds@yahoogroups.com, "miikywayz"
> <miikywayz@y...> wrote:
> > There's a sequel to the Xbox game Hunter the
> Reckoning on PS2
>
> Who cares?  This is a tabletop RPG forum.  Beat it.
> Scram.  Get lost.
>
>
>
>


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can't believe in the afterlife, Valentine.  Believe in the after, by all means,
but not the life. Believe in God, the soul, the spirit, the infinite, believe in
angels if you like, but not in the great celestial get-together for an exchange
of views. If the answers are in the back of the book I can wait, but what a
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--- In minds@yahoogroups.com, "miikywayz" <miikywayz@y...> wrote:
> There's a sequel to the Xbox game Hunter the Reckoning on PS2

Who cares?  This is a tabletop RPG forum.  Beat it.  Scram.  Get lost.

There's a sequel to the Xbox game Hunter the Reckoning on PS2 called
Wayward where they have ironed out the probs from the initial
version that they put out last year. I read that its gonna be really
great, I can at least vouch for the graphics and stuff that I saw on
the trailer at http://www.hunterthereckoning.com/wayward. Its
fantasy and RPG and FPS. What more can you ask for?

--- In minds@yahoogroups.com, Olorle <elfstone_the_great@y...> wrote:

I still do vampire LARP with some regularity. But outside the hardcore
gamers in that group, I know nobody who plays WoD much. IMHO it has
become a little bloated, in terms of off-shoots and power level.

my2cts,
  Oscar


> I've been running the occasional one shots at the
> local game store. Plan to start a game up soon. And
> I'm still playing on-line rather a lot.
> --- angel_ludwig <angel_ludwig@y...> wrote:
> > I, on the other hand, haven't played or run ANY
> > games recently. I
> > moved to DC and can't seem to find a stable group of
> > players that
> > aren't "fight-of-the-week"-ers.
> >
> >
> > --- In minds@yahoogroups.com, "Gil Gomez, Juan
> > Ignacio"
> > <jiggomez@i...> wrote:
> > > >Not much going on in here these days. Do any of
> > you even still
> > play
> > > >White Wolf tabletop RPGs? Have you all moved to
> > LARP or MUD?
> > >
> > >
> > > I do. Though some wold say that the way we play is
> > more LARP than
> > tabletop, but we still feel as playing tabletop
> > (sometimes we even
> > use dices!!).
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm getting a bit tired of all this WoD
> > stuff, of all those
> > ultracool and ultrapowerful gays fighting each
> > other.
> > >
> > > Nowadays, I play a game of... Vampire, I think. We
> > all play humans,
> > but I'm afraid we all are fated to get embraced. And
> > I storytell what
> > I wanted to be a political mediaval game using Ars
> > Magica rules, but
> > it's quickly becoming an Order of Reason game. Too
> > much time
> > storytelling Mage. Sigh.
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Comparing what we are looking for misses the point. It's wanting to
know that makes us matter. Otherwise we're going out the way we came
in. That's why you can't believe in the afterlife, Valentine.  Believe
in the after, by all means, but not the life. Believe in God, the
soul, the spirit, the infinite, believe in angels if you like, but not
in the great celestial get-together for an exchange of views. If the
answers are in the back of the book I can wait, but what a drag.
Better to struggle on knowing that failure is final.  -Tom Stoppard
>
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I've been running the occasional one shots at the
local game store. Plan to start a game up soon. And
I'm still playing on-line rather a lot.
--- angel_ludwig <angel_ludwig@...> wrote:
> I, on the other hand, haven't played or run ANY
> games recently. I
> moved to DC and can't seem to find a stable group of
> players that
> aren't "fight-of-the-week"-ers.
>
>
> --- In minds@yahoogroups.com, "Gil Gomez, Juan
> Ignacio"
> <jiggomez@i...> wrote:
> > >Not much going on in here these days. Do any of
> you even still
> play
> > >White Wolf tabletop RPGs? Have you all moved to
> LARP or MUD?
> >
> >
> > I do. Though some wold say that the way we play is
> more LARP than
> tabletop, but we still feel as playing tabletop
> (sometimes we even
> use dices!!).
> >
> > Anyway, I'm getting a bit tired of all this WoD
> stuff, of all those
> ultracool and ultrapowerful gays fighting each
> other.
> >
> > Nowadays, I play a game of... Vampire, I think. We
> all play humans,
> but I'm afraid we all are fated to get embraced. And
> I storytell what
> I wanted to be a political mediaval game using Ars
> Magica rules, but
> it's quickly becoming an Order of Reason game. Too
> much time
> storytelling Mage. Sigh.
>
>


=====
Comparing what we are looking for misses the point. It's wanting to know that
makes us matter. Otherwise we're going out the way we came in. That's why you
can't believe in the afterlife, Valentine.  Believe in the after, by all means,
but not the life. Believe in God, the soul, the spirit, the infinite, believe in
angels if you like, but not in the great celestial get-together for an exchange
of views. If the answers are in the back of the book I can wait, but what a
drag. Better to struggle on knowing that failure is final.  -Tom Stoppard

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I, on the other hand, haven't played or run ANY games recently. I
moved to DC and can't seem to find a stable group of players that
aren't "fight-of-the-week"-ers.


--- In minds@yahoogroups.com, "Gil Gomez, Juan Ignacio"
<jiggomez@i...> wrote:
> >Not much going on in here these days. Do any of you even still
play
> >White Wolf tabletop RPGs? Have you all moved to LARP or MUD?
>
>
> I do. Though some wold say that the way we play is more LARP than
tabletop, but we still feel as playing tabletop (sometimes we even
use dices!!).
>
> Anyway, I'm getting a bit tired of all this WoD stuff, of all those
ultracool and ultrapowerful gays fighting each other.
>
> Nowadays, I play a game of... Vampire, I think. We all play humans,
but I'm afraid we all are fated to get embraced. And I storytell what
I wanted to be a political mediaval game using Ars Magica rules, but
it's quickly becoming an Order of Reason game. Too much time
storytelling Mage. Sigh.

>Not much going on in here these days. Do any of you even still play
>White Wolf tabletop RPGs? Have you all moved to LARP or MUD?


I do. Though some wold say that the way we play is more LARP than tabletop, but
we still feel as playing tabletop (sometimes we even use dices!!).

Anyway, I'm getting a bit tired of all this WoD stuff, of all those ultracool
and ultrapowerful gays fighting each other.

Nowadays, I play a game of... Vampire, I think. We all play humans, but I'm
afraid we all are fated to get embraced. And I storytell what I wanted to be a
political mediaval game using Ars Magica rules, but it's quickly becoming an
Order of Reason game. Too much time storytelling Mage. Sigh.

I still run a TT WoD game as well as Host an Online
Game.  WoD is still burning strong with me and my
players.  In fact the two online sites where I play
have several Public WoD rooms and to many private ones
to name.

Over all we suffer from burn out from time to time,
but we never lose the flame.

Toy

--- Aurelia McAllister <bosslady@...> wrote:
> Not much going on in here these days. Do any of you
> even still play
> White Wolf tabletop RPGs?

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Not much going on in here these days. Do any of you even still play
White Wolf tabletop RPGs? Have you all moved to LARP or MUD? Lots of
folk in my area have moved on to other systems, other hobbies. Who is
still running a chronicle? Is it long term or fairly new? Do you do
crossovers or prefer just one kind?
   Kitty
(Aurelia was my last Mage chr...now in VA Limbo)

--- Bruce Baugh <bbaugh@...> escreveu:
> Para: reckoning@yahoogroups.com
> De: Bruce Baugh <bbaugh@...>
> Data: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:43:39 -0800
> Assunto: [reckoning] Tell WW Where To Go!
>
> Well, more seriously...
>
> We're conducting a survey to see what people might like in the way of
> support from WW for the various tabletop games, so that the Camarilla
> fan club can branch out from its current LARP-only focus. You're
> welcome to tell us what you think! The survey is at
> http://www.q7.com/~bruce/survey/ ; please take a few minutes and fill
> it out, if you haven't done so thanks to seeing this mentioned
> somewhere else. The more voices we hear, the better we can do in
> planning.
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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Hi, guys!

    Although not everybody in this (these) group(s) knows me (Perhaps
because I never have written since I've been subscribed... hehe...), I'm
only leaving my note: I'm going on vacation next week (probably to my
beach house), and I'll just come back near 02/02/2003. I will not be
available neither in the group, nor in private email until this date. I'm
changing this group to "No Email" mode to avoid any trouble on my E-mail.

    See ya next year! (I think!)

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everybody!!



    Tito G. S. de Aguiar ("Multifacetado")
    from Porto Alegre (Brazil)


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>used to get a lot of email from this list, but haven't gotten
>anything from it in quite a while. trying to decide whether or
>not to
>pitch it.


Well, I'm still here. I'm not thinking of leaving the list because I don't get
any email from it. It's better than a lot of stupid mails (but worse than a lot
of interesting mails).

used to get a lot of email from this list, but haven't gotten
anything from it in quite a while. trying to decide whether or not to
pitch it.

At 06:54 11/01/02 -0800, you wrote:
>In order to properly do a crossover with Changeling,
>you are going to have to do some SERIOUS research. I
>mean research in how the legends of such mythical
>beings have worked within reality. Hunter (as far as I
>have been informed) is a completely stand-alone game
>not really meant for crossovers. The book "The Hunters
>Hunted" (if you can find a copy of it) would be a
>great sourcebook in order to compare how the power
>levels ought to match. As well, Changelings would not
>often be out looking for trouble with standard mortals
>- banality tends to see to that.
>
>
Hunter's Hunted came out (about 2 years ago?) in one of the compendium
books. The only thing is that Hunter's Hunted was designed for an early
version of Vampire, and I'm not certain how well the rules will translate.

Inquisition, or Halls of the Arcanum might be more useful.

SP.

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> Does anyone know of a good set of
> websites which are still open to submissions? I used
> to post to Great Minds and BJ Zanzibar's World of
> Darkness. Both of them are now long closed off to
> sends, if not completely cut off.

What sort of submissions?  I have set up a site for online play of a Mage game
(its quite complete actually - although most of the features are for players
only and not open to the public), and have been considering expanding it into
other areas.  The site is:
   http://www.keiths-place.com/

If some of the old sites are closed off, I would be happy to set up something
for everyone to use.

Are people interested?


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Greetings!

    My initial idea was "What if Changelings consider Hunters as menaces to
the reality?" I mean, hunters... hunt (Duh!) monsters, and monsters, the
good or the bad ones, are products of some kind of human imagination,
right? If the Imbued destroy them, they are destroying the man's thought,
right? If the imagination is compromised, the force of Banality becomes
stronger... and so on...

    The Hunters Hunted? I have the brazilian version of it and... well...
it could be better. For a book about hunters (the first in Brazil), a new
bloodline (Children of Osiris), a Nosferatu (Walker Grimes), a mage with
several retainers (Arctos) and a lupine (Kanglor)... all of them are a
little... out of context... but it's just my opinion. I consider the "Year
of the Hunter" titles a little better. At least they have more focus on
the mortal side of the story, except for The Autumn People, for obvious
reasons... (To me, The Quick and the Dead is the best.).



    L.V.D.

  --- Mark Davy <demonsreiche@...> escreveu:
> In order to properly do a crossover with Changeling,
> you are going to have to do some SERIOUS research. I
> mean research in how the legends of such mythical
> beings have worked within reality. Hunter (as far as I
> have been informed) is a completely stand-alone game
> not really meant for crossovers. The book "The Hunters
> Hunted" (if you can find a copy of it) would be a
> great sourcebook in order to compare how the power
> levels ought to match. As well, Changelings would not
> often be out looking for trouble with standard mortals
> - banality tends to see to that.
>
>
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Hello there. Does anyone know of a good set of
websites which are still open to submissions? I used
to post to Great Minds and BJ Zanzibar's World of
Darkness. Both of them are now long closed off to
sends, if not completely cut off. (I think Zanzibar's
is still open to scan files from.) I have a few files
for Gypsy I tried to put together for the Jekipe
Patrin website, but that one is not accepting files
either. Any ideas?


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In order to properly do a crossover with Changeling,
you are going to have to do some SERIOUS research. I
mean research in how the legends of such mythical
beings have worked within reality. Hunter (as far as I
have been informed) is a completely stand-alone game
not really meant for crossovers. The book "The Hunters
Hunted" (if you can find a copy of it) would be a
great sourcebook in order to compare how the power
levels ought to match. As well, Changelings would not
often be out looking for trouble with standard mortals
- banality tends to see to that.


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Greetings!

    About Hunter and crossovers... good idea. Since a begin in Hunter, I'm
used to join vampires, werewolves, mage (just one) and wraiths in my
chonicles. Anyone have some idea on how to integrate changelings (or
"Nightmares", as said in HSC) in a Hunter story? In the same subject, has
anyone joined Sorcerers, Kuei-jin, Reborn, Gypsies and other "secondary"
character types in crhonicle? How?



    Laos

  --- "Kathleen \"Kitty\" McDonald-Neal" <kittymcd@...>
escreveu:
> We tend to have long periods of silence between frenzied bursts of
> activity.
> Currently, I'm toying with the idea of a Hunter game to take down all
> our
> myriad former characters from WoD crossovers.  Anyone else doing this?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: angel_ludwig <angel_ludwig@...>
> To: minds@yahoogroups.com <minds@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:35 PM
> Subject: [minds] Re: hello?
>
>
> >This looks like the board is viable, but I don't see any new messages.
> >Did you all switch sites? Or is no one posting anything?
> >
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We tend to have long periods of silence between frenzied bursts of activity.
Currently, I'm toying with the idea of a Hunter game to take down all our
myriad former characters from WoD crossovers.  Anyone else doing this?


-----Original Message-----
From: angel_ludwig <angel_ludwig@...>
To: minds@yahoogroups.com <minds@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:35 PM
Subject: [minds] Re: hello?


>This looks like the board is viable, but I don't see any new messages.
>Did you all switch sites? Or is no one posting anything?
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This looks like the board is viable, but I don't see any new messages.
Did you all switch sites? Or is no one posting anything?


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creating/maintaining a page(s) on our server dedicated to a
particular gaming venue.  We are a new site that is dedicated to
becoming the foremost gaming sites on the web. We want to present
this opportunity to as many fellow gamers as possible.  We would like
to have very knowledgeable people maintaining the information on
these pages.  For the most part, you would control the content and
layout of your page(s).  If you wish, you can have your name right on
the page letting everyone know that it is you bringing them all that
info.  We are gamers ourselves, but obviosly due to the many games
that are out there, we would just not have anywhere near enough time
to keep things up to date.  We are willing to allow a page or pages
for just about any gaming system or particular type of a gaming
system.  The object is to have a site where any gamer can begin
his/her search for info, links, downloads etc. The site will soon be
incorporating discussion forums.  If interested, please reply to
greg@...  Thank You.

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    A.D.



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