>I am new here

Hey, is this thing still on? :)

>how well does this game play ?

Depends on your tastes, I guess. Using the standard layout, the game essentially
begins in a kind of deadlock in the center of the board, with both players
working to wrest advantage around the borders before the center eventually
"explodes." Sort of :) I like it, but then I would.

Grab an opponent here and give it a go: http://superdupergames.org/

>has anyone liked it enough to do a custom board design ?

I've built several custom boards over the years, but again, I would :)





|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

I am new here

how well does this game play ?

has anyone liked it enough to do a custom board design ?

thanks all

Well, the SDG (http://superdupergames.org/) thing has been going well. At first
there were a few tweaks to be made (you had to keep track of your dead pile on
your own, for example, and there was one error in the game rules due to a simple
misunderstanding) but everything's ironed out now. I've been playing it
regularly and have a half-dozen or so completed games and more on the way.

One of the things I like a lot is that the site keeps stats ... so once there's
a large enough sample of completed games, you can look at a game's stats and
know how many moves and average game takes, whether there's a significant first-
or second-player advantage, and so on (at the moment, one critic of the game
predicts a "huge" first-player advantage for Mastery, while the initial stats
are showing a notable second-player advantage, but the sample is too small to
tell anything yet ... from my own experience I've never noticed it mattering
much either way).

And of course, the best thing has been playing against folks with wildly
different play styles from what I'm used to.

I've issued (as "ghalev") a Standing Challenge using a new feature of the site,
so by all means, please come around and let's play :)



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

>This is excellent news, given that the online playable Mastery we've
>been able to download doesn't work with most modern ISP setups
>(apparently due to IP virtualization at the ISP, same problem that kills
>some of the oldest VoIP applications). That is, the client works fine
>on any connection, but the server app has to run on a machine that isn't
>behind an address expansion system.

Yes, excellent point.

That's something to do with computers, isn't it?

:)

>I'll have to check into Superdupergames. :)

I've just started there today (as "ghalev") -- seems very groovy so far. Lots of
games (including a passel of Icehouse ones, I note).



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

Ghalev wrote:
> It's not often we see new Mastery news, but here's some now:
>
> http://superdupergames.org/
>
> Superdupergames is busy implementing a BIG collection of games for web
> gaming at your own pace, and Mastery is now part of that growing
> library. Pretty spiffy.
>
> This comes at a groovy time, since Mastery is due to poke its nose
> back into the world this winter in Uresia 2nd Edition (more on which
> soon).
>

This is excellent news, given that the online playable Mastery we've
been able to download doesn't work with most modern ISP setups
(apparently due to IP virtualization at the ISP, same problem that kills
some of the oldest VoIP applications).  That is, the client works fine
on any connection, but the server app has to run on a machine that isn't
behind an address expansion system.

I'll have to check into Superdupergames.  :)

--
After you use everything you know and can find out to make what you're
certain is the right decision, and it's too late to change things or
back out -- you'll find out something that would have reversed the whole
thing for you, if you'd only known in time.

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer   http://silent1.home.netcom.com

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

It's not often we see new Mastery news, but here's some now:

http://superdupergames.org/

Superdupergames is busy implementing a BIG collection of games for web
gaming at your own pace, and Mastery is now part of that growing
library. Pretty spiffy.

This comes at a groovy time, since Mastery is due to poke its nose
back into the world this winter in Uresia 2nd Edition (more on which
soon).

I just got a chance to test the connection to my server from outside my
LAN -- no go.  Apparently the server software and Internet Connection
Sharing don't agree on what IP address the server software should use --
I can't get any kind of connection to the external address from outside
my LAN.  I can connect from inside on either the internal or external
addresses, so I don't know what the exact problem is -- other than that
it won't work with ICS running on the server.  It also doesn't work
through the address translation -- can't connect at the external address
if I tell the server software to us the internal address (and connection
to the internal address isn't conclusive, since I'm using a dial-out
connection from a machine still on the LAN to test).

If I come up with something more functional, I'll post back...

--
The challenge to the photographer is to command the medium, to use
whatever current equipment and technology furthers his creative
objectives, without sacrificing the ability to make his own decisions.
                                                           -- Ansel Adams

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer   http://silent1.home.netcom.com

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

S. John Ross wrote:
> At 04:42 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm now running the Mastery Server software on the computer that acts
>>as router for my network -- it's up 24/7 and shouldn't change IP
>>address frequently, but unfortunately I don't have an efficient way to
>>notify people of its address if it does change.  If anyone has a
>>simple way to do this, I'd love to hear about it...
>>
>>It's currently at 66.61.0.148 -- give it a try!
>
>
> Cool. A Mastery post :)
>
> I could go for a game of that ... I wonder if I'm still just as bad at it? :)

Well, since I have three computers in this room, I found a simpler
solution that trying to agree on a time via a moderated list -- I'll
just leave my laptop connected to the server above, and I'll hear it if
anyone else connects when I'm in the room.

--
The challenge to the photographer is to command the medium, to use
whatever current equipment and technology furthers his creative
objectives, without sacrificing the ability to make his own decisions.
                                                           -- Ansel Adams

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer   http://silent1.home.netcom.com

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

S. John Ross wrote:
> At 04:42 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm now running the Mastery Server software on the computer that acts
>>as router for my network -- it's up 24/7 and shouldn't change IP
>>address frequently, but unfortunately I don't have an efficient way to
>>notify people of its address if it does change.  If anyone has a
>>simple way to do this, I'd love to hear about it...
>>
>>It's currently at 66.61.0.148 -- give it a try!
>
>
> Cool. A Mastery post :)
>
> I could go for a game of that ... I wonder if I'm still just as bad at it? :)

Can't be much worse than I am...

I'd be interested if we can find a mutually agreeable time.  I check my
mail fairly frequently, but lately I've been in There a great deal.
FWIW, I'm now on Eastern time, and usually start to pack it in for the
evening by around 10:00 PM.

--
The challenge to the photographer is to command the medium, to use
whatever current equipment and technology furthers his creative
objectives, without sacrificing the ability to make his own decisions.
                                                           -- Ansel Adams

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer   http://silent1.home.netcom.com

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

At 04:42 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:


>I'm now running the Mastery Server software on the computer that acts
>as router for my network -- it's up 24/7 and shouldn't change IP
>address frequently, but unfortunately I don't have an efficient way to
>notify people of its address if it does change.  If anyone has a
>simple way to do this, I'd love to hear about it...
>
>It's currently at 66.61.0.148 -- give it a try!

Cool. A Mastery post :)

I could go for a game of that ... I wonder if I'm still just as bad at it? :)



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

I'm now running the Mastery Server software on the computer that acts
as router for my network -- it's up 24/7 and shouldn't change IP
address frequently, but unfortunately I don't have an efficient way to
notify people of its address if it does change.  If anyone has a
simple way to do this, I'd love to hear about it...

It's currently at 66.61.0.148 -- give it a try!

> > Shhh. We're thinking :)
> >
>
>Still reading, but I haven't been on Bas's server lately -- we need to
>get some traffic on here!

But the cobwebs are so atmospheric, especially with Halloween coming up :)



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

S. John Ross wrote:
> At 01:06 PM 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>
>>Subject line says it all.
>
>
> Shhh. We're thinking :)
>

Still reading, but I haven't been on Bas's server lately -- we need to
get some traffic on here!

--
I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!
                                                      -- E. J. Fudd, 1954

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer
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Speedway 7x12 Lathe Pages     http://silent1.home.netcom.com/my7x12.htm

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

At 01:06 PM 10/10/2003, you wrote:
>Subject line says it all.

Shhh. We're thinking :)



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

Subject line says it all.

At 07:14 PM 2/13/2003, you wrote:
>I'm interested, and will be on Bas Snabilie's server for about the next
>four hours (that is, until around 9:00 PM or a little after, Pacific
>time, zone -8).

Such are the perils of a moderated mailing list :(



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

I'm interested, and will be on Bas Snabilie's server for about the next
four hours (that is, until around 9:00 PM or a little after, Pacific
time, zone -8).

Mind you, I've never actually played the game...

--
What you own is your own kingdom, what you do is your own glory.
What you love is your own power, and what you live is your own story.
                                                      -- Neil Peart, 1976

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer           NAR # 70141-SR Insured
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Telescope Pages            http://silent1.home.netcom.com/astronomy.htm
Lathe Pages           http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

S. John Ross wrote:
>
>>Now if I could just find someone with whom to play the game...
>
> I have my best luck with my wife ... ;)

Unfortunately, I'd first have to extract mine from Asheron's Call, then
convince her she wants to learn a new game.  B(

> Ironically, I don't get nearly enough use from Armin's cool computer game
> version, although the few times I've used it I've really enjoyed the
> combination chat/game experience :)

I'm trying to get people interested in the game here in Seattle -- maybe
we can actually get enough people together to put some traffic on the
server.

--
What you own is your own kingdom, what you do is your own glory.
What you love is your own power, and what you live is your own story.
                                                      -- Neil Peart, 1976

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer           NAR # 70141-SR Insured
Rocket Pages                http://silent1.home.netcom.com/launches.htm
Telescope Pages            http://silent1.home.netcom.com/astronomy.htm
Lathe Pages           http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

>I'm new to the game -- I've read the rules, downloaded and installed the
>computer version of the game, and I'm partway through making up a custom
>set of pieces (from PVC pipe).

How cool :)

>Now if I could just find someone with whom to play the game...

I have my best luck with my wife ... ;)

Ironically, I don't get nearly enough use from Armin's cool computer game
version, although the few times I've used it I've really enjoyed the
combination chat/game experience :)



|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

I'm new to the game -- I've read the rules, downloaded and installed the
computer version of the game, and I'm partway through making up a custom
set of pieces (from PVC pipe).

Now if I could just find someone with whom to play the game...

--
What you own is your own kingdom, what you do is your own glory.
What you love is your own power, and what you live is your own story.
                                                      -- Neil Peart, 1976

Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer           NAR # 70141-SR Insured
Rocket Pages                http://silent1.home.netcom.com/launches.htm
Telescope Pages            http://silent1.home.netcom.com/astronomy.htm
Lathe Pages           http://silent1.home.netcom.com/HomebuiltLathe.htm

Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth
and don't expect them to be perfect.

Anyone to play? send me a email to vadorwolf@...

or MSNMESSENGER feloderme@...


VaDor

> I just visited Bas's Mastery page <http://bas.myip.org:5800/mastery/> on a
> lark, and noticed that he has a cool Aliens scheme available. I'm sad that
> I missed those li'l aliens for who knows how long. I'll try to remember to
> put up a link to it on my Mastery page soon.

Darn, I knew I had forgotten to announce it. Where's my brain?

] Bas

I just visited Bas's Mastery page <http://bas.myip.org:5800/mastery/> on a
lark, and noticed that he has a cool Aliens scheme available. I'm sad that
I missed those li'l aliens for who knows how long. I'll try to remember to
put up a link to it on my Mastery page soon.

If anyone else has made custom graphics or schemes for the pieces, please
let me know. I can host them for you, or I can link to them. The same thing
goes for sounds, if you've made custom sounds. (Sjohn can't be the only
one, can he? ;-)

Thanks,

Armin
------------------------------------------------------------
Armin D. Sykes
Miser Software
http://www.misersoft.com/

Anyone up for a game late-night tonight?

|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

Ha, that's fun! Like using Sparks in Mastery :-)

] Bas Snabilie
] http://snabilie.cjb.net
] "Thunder rolled.
] ... It rolled a six."
] (Terry Pratchett)
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Armin D. Sykes
   To: mastery-game@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:36 AM
   Subject: [Mastery] New CG Version


   Hiya, Folks,

   I just put Mastery 2.6 up on the Mastery computer game web site
   <http://www.misersoft.com/games/mastery/index.shtml>, along with a little
   extra amusement to go along with it.

   The main new feature is one that I've been meaning to get around to for
   ages--Mastery now has the ability to use custom pictures for the different
   types of pieces. Not a big thing, but fun, and it required some other
   related changes.

   Check out the revisions page on the site for details, or check here
   <http://www.misersoft.com/games/mastery/revs.html> to see them now.

   Thanks,

   Armin

   ------------------------------------------------------------
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   Miser Software
   http://www.misersoft.com/


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> The main new feature is one that I've been meaning to get around to for
> ages--Mastery now has the ability to use custom pictures for the different
> types of pieces. Not a big thing, but fun, and it required some other
> related changes.

Oooh. A new toy to play with :) [scampers off to Photoshop ...]

|| S. John Ross
|| Husband · Cook · Writer
|| In That Order
|| http://www.io.com/~sjohn

Hiya, Folks,

I just put Mastery 2.6 up on the Mastery computer game web site
<http://www.misersoft.com/games/mastery/index.shtml>, along with a little
extra amusement to go along with it.

The main new feature is one that I've been meaning to get around to for
ages--Mastery now has the ability to use custom pictures for the different
types of pieces. Not a big thing, but fun, and it required some other
related changes.

Check out the revisions page on the site for details, or check here
<http://www.misersoft.com/games/mastery/revs.html> to see them now.

Thanks,

Armin

------------------------------------------------------------
Armin D. Sykes
Miser Software
http://www.misersoft.com/

Hi, I'm Bas, the guy who runs the mastery server
(http://snabilie.cjb.net//mastery).
I just want to say hi to you all, and if you're having problems concerning the
server or website drop me a note or visit me in Holland :-)
I'm also on icq (number: 62452764) and I LOVE to get e-mail (adres:
snabilie@...)

See you later.

] Bas Snabilie
] http://snabilie.cjb.net
] "Thunder rolled.
] ... It rolled a six."
] (Terry Pratchett)


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I'm usually good for a game in the evenings. Likewise, if anyone's
interested in a game, email me and we'll set up a time.
------
Jeff Miller
jfrankmiller@...

Love the game (even though I have yet to win a game).

If anyone is interested in a game on either a Tuesday or Friday night, (after
9pm EST) - shoot me a mail that day at delcar@... and we'll set
up a time.

"Delcar" Shannon A. Ward

PS - I agree with S. John, lets get a tournament going soon.

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