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Re: [littlecyberwars] Re: Open Sourcing LCW

Thanks to all of you who cared enough about the project to comment. I'll start doing some docs after the tax season and then just put the code out there and see what happens...

Milton

----- Original Message ----
From: John Campbell <john.campbell.home@...>
To: littlecyberwars@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:01:45 AM
Subject: Re: [littlecyberwars] Re: Open Sourcing LCW

Have to agree with your initial statements and rebuttal Dale.  And no, I don't work for Microsoft...
 
Having released my own bit of open source code I know all about the refactoring trap.  There will always be one bit of code or another that you want to rewrite so that it is more clear or more efficient.  There are also those little embarrassing items like your first attempt at doing something that just looks awful now that you know better ways of accomplishing the same goal.  In my case I have two methods that do nearly identical processes with some small tweaks.  I started going about refactoring them and two days later I still wasn't done.  At that point I had to look at the time I was putting into it Vs. the amount of good the refactoring would bring.  In the end I decided to scrap it and put it down as something to revisit later since it was taking too much time and didn't really make much of a difference to the program as a whole. 
 
My advice to you Milton is that if you are going to do Open Source, just publish the code and let people start picking it apart.  What you may find is that no one really cares about the areas you thought for sure they would be looking at and would require lots of documentation.  If someone really wants to know about an area, they'll ask about it and when they do that is where you focus your energy.
 
John

 
On 2/11/07, Dale <code_ronin@yahoo. com> wrote:

--- In littlecyberwars@ yahoogroups. com, "jak267" <jkantor@...> wrote:

> > If you wait until your happy with how the code looks before you
> > publish, you'll never get there. You'll spend so much time on
> > refactoring and cleanup, producing no new features (although
> > possibly fixing some bugs), you'll likely to get discouraged with
> > the effort.
>
> You must work for Microsoft.

Is that supposed to be an insult?

> After, all, we the world doesn't need reliable, maintainable code -
> just lots of new releases, one right after another, which often
> introduce as many new bugs as they fix.

Is that sarcasm or a political statement?

I'm not really sure what your point is. Is it that the documentation
that I recommended doesn't lead to reliable and maintainable code? Do
you think that ONE person trying to refactor code until they are happy
with the result is more EFFICIENT than having multiple people work
towards the same, documented goal?

Dale





Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:15 pm

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http://c7games.com/VirtualTabletopIndex.htm This is in effect a 3D version of LCW, take a look... Milton...
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... Looks pretty good!...
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Problem is with virtual table top is that he only talks and keeps the date on the site current IM been on the beta test list for two years I've never seen...
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... It looks nice, but I like the top-down view, plus the additional view when the unit is selected, as you have it now. Now just for a few bug fixes and...
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Funny you mentioned that. Since I am severly time crunched now, I am considering making it open source if there are demand for that... ... From: Dale...
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I spotted the Space Marine models/figures in the screenshot on the site, thast got my 10 year old excited. Are these part of the planned release?...
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I'd be very interested in that! Harry...
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who knows. The thing has been dormant for at least 2 years. Never released a beta but always says its coming soon. ... From: Angus Looney To:...
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It's not really a rival, just a different approach. A 3D app requires a dedicated client - not to mention you will need 3D graphics to use with it. As for open...
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My thought exactly. I need to clean up the code before it's even ready for open source (sloppy code would be quite embarrassing if it ever makes it out to the...
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... it ... Ummmm. Clean up sloppy code to make it "ready for open source"? I've worked on two "niche" open source projects and I can tell you, products that...
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good point. My biggest problem right now is that the trunk compiles and doesn't run right, so SOME cleanup is definitely needed! All your other suggestions are...
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... You must work for Microsoft. After, all, we the world doesn't need reliable, maintainable code - just lots of new releases, one right after another, which...
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... Is that supposed to be an insult? ... Is that sarcasm or a political statement? I'm not really sure what your point is. Is it that the documentation that I...
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Have to agree with your initial statements and rebuttal Dale. And no, I don't work for Microsoft... Having released my own bit of open source code I know all...
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... possibly ... effort....
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Hello, i was just wondering if the open source effort ever picked up steam. We (The India Wargamers - http://indiawargamers.com) are contemplating creating a...
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Thanks to all of you who cared enough about the project to comment. I'll start doing some docs after the tax season and then just put the code out there and...
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Yes I do plan to. In fact I can even send you what I have if you don;'t mind the lack of documentation... (it has a bug in it , but if you are ok with that) M ...
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hello, ... don;'t mind the lack of documentation... If you've made the decision to open source it, it would be nice if you could slap an appropriate license on...
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