Greetings

I've ordered Battle Studies and the two volumes of the handbook from second hand
sellers as a result of this thread.

Does anyone know anything (other than as quoted below) about the following
advertised volume:

"Ejército de los Borbones Tomo V.Volumen 1. Reinado de Fernando VII (1808-1833)
La Guerra de la Independencia 1808-1814
M. Gómez Ruiz / V. Alonso Juanola
509p. E. 101 láminas y f. color y b/n. 310x240
2000
45,00 €
Espańol
Equipment & Uniforms
Spanish Army
LA GUERA DE LA INDEPENDENCIA 1808-1814.- I. INFANTERIA. Organización:
Uniformidad.- Banderas.- Instrumentos.- II. CABALLERIA: Organización.-
Uniformidad.- III. ARTILLERIA: Organización.- Uniformidad.- IV. INGENIEROS: El
Estado Mayor de Ingenieros.- Uniformidad.- V. LAS MILICIAS: Las Milicias
Provinciales.- Uniformidad.- Las Milicias Honradas.- La Milicia Nacional.- VI.
LOS EJERCITOS.- Los Ejércitos.- La primera organización por Ejércitos.- VII:
COLEGIOS Y ACADEMIAS MILITARES.- VIII LAS GUERRILLAS Y LOS GUERRILEROS: Las
Guerrillas.- Los Guerrilleros.- IX, OTROS CURPOS: El Cuerpo de Estado Mayor.- La
Armada.- Los Asistentes.- Las Brigadas de Acémilas.- App. 1: El armamento; App.
2: Los uniformes."?

Regards

Edward

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "vtsaogames" <vtsaogames@...> wrote:
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> >
> > We have counted the USA (War of 1812) as a
> > French ally so that we could include them in this volume even though
> > they weren't strictly a French ally.
> >
>
> Certainly close enough.
> I will have to get these after I get back from my holiday weekend.
>

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> We have counted the USA (War of 1812) as a
> French ally so that we could include them in this volume even though
> they weren't strictly a French ally.
>

Certainly close enough.
I will have to get these after I get back from my holiday weekend.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Oliver

To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:33 AM

Subject: RE: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show

 

I met with Richard Partridge yesterday at our club gathering and told him of the interest in the books on this list. He and I would like to express our appreciation for the comments passed and to let everyone know we have agreed to discuss developing the Battle Studies series with Partizan Press.

As soon as anything comes out of the discussions, I’ll put up a post and try to provide a timetable. At present, Partizan are publishing a series of Peninsular War titles written by Charles S Grant (the son of the late great Chas. Grant senior who was a personal friend). As an aside, I’m providing the maps for this series (Cartography Services). This may mean that Partizan will want to wait a while before committing to Battle Studies – if they even decide to go ahead.

If they decide not to go ahead, we may self-publish using an on-line facility called “Lulu”.

Cheers,

Mike

www.warmodelling.co.uk

www.cartography-services.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of therugdoctor2003
Sent: 26 November 2009 22:25
To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show

 

Just to add my recommendation, I have "Battle studies", "napoleonic army handbook" and "albuera" and they are all excellent. Well worth tracking down (I found my copy of the "handbook" in a second hand shop in Cornwall when on holiday!)

Daz

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> As far as I know, they are all available from www.amazon.co.uk
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/> .
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of koszorus69
> Sent: 26 November 2009 15:52
> To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
> Having read the comments, "Battle Studies" seems like a book I should
> have. Is it still available anywhere?
>
> And the "Army Handbook" volumes?
>
> Cheers
>
> Bob
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the appreciation. Richard and I have written three other
> > books: the "Napoleonic Army Handbook" Vols. 1 & 2 with details of
> every
> > regiment that fought in the European theatre of the Napoleonic wars
> > (uniforms, battles fought, strengths, commanders, origins and fate
> after
> > the wars). Finally, last year we had a new history of the Battle of
> > Albuera - 1811 published by Pen & Sword. This wasn't designed
> > specifically for wargamers as Battle Studies was but was an attempt to
> > give a fair shake of the dice to the Spanish who, in our judgment,
> > bought the time for the British to win with their lives.
> >
> > Battle Studies should, in our view, have been advertised & promoted in
> > Wargames magazines but was simply reviewed in one or two. Consequently
> > it sold only a thousand or so copies and the rest of the series was
> > never commissioned. It's nice to find somebody who has read it!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > Sent: 26 November 2009 09:55
> > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> >
> >
> > I thought I recognised your name.
> >
> > A nice useful little book in my opinion which I really enjoyed. Would
> > definately like to see a follow on.
> >
> > I don't know why it didn't catch on with gamers as it had all you
> needed
> > for those early battles.
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's me, Kev. It was called "Battle Studies in the Peninsula" but
> > > didn't get the publicity amongst wargamers that it really needed so
> we
> > > weren't asked to follow up. Some interest has been shown in
> continuing
> > > the series by Partizan Press and Richard partridge and I may again
> > take
> > > up the pen.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > > Sent: 26 November 2009 07:59
> > > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Are you the Mike Oliver by any chance who co-authored a nice
> little
> > > book on the early Peninsular battles a few years back?
> > >
> > > Kev
> > >
> > > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hope I'm not crossing any barriers here but are there any club
> > > members
> > > > subscribing to the list who'd like to attend my club's new show
> > "Essex
> > > > Eagle" in June next year? We invited the TFL guys but they are
> > unable
> > > to
> > > > join us due to prior commitments. If you are interested and want
> > > > details, visit the club website (link below) and contact us.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > Secretary - Southend Wargames Club
> > > > www.southendwargamesclub.com <http://www.southend
> > > <http://www.southend <http://www.southend
> <http://www.southendwargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > wargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartogra
> > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartography-services.co.uk>
> phy-services.co.uk> phy-services.co.uk>
> > > phy-services.co.uk> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Thank you Mike, that really helps, as that kind of information on Russian and
Austrians is hard to find in a centralised source. I shall be adding these two
books to my already too large library with glee. Thank you.

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> No, the first volume covers all nations allied with Britain. This
> includes Austria, Russia, Spain, Portugal, Prussia, Brunswick, Hanover,
> Holland & Belgium, Sweden and the Ottomans. Volume 2 covers France and
> her allies (including some who were, at various stages, allied to
> Britain [e.g. Holland]). We have counted the USA (War of 1812) as a
> French ally so that we could include them in this volume even though
> they weren't strictly a French ally.
>
> We tried to make it exhaustive so that wargamers and other interested
> parties could produce armies for any conflict in the wars containing the
> correct regiments at the correct strengths and in correct uniforms for
> individual combats. Unfortunately many records (especially the French)
> do not cover unit strengths at specific engagements and, where they do,
> are frequently unreliable. So we had to omit this information in many
> cases. However, we were able to throw more light on the Spanish army
> than most others because of data we obtained from Spanish sources. This
> filled a huge gap in historical data.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> www.cartography-services.co.uk

Mike on your Handbooks, do I take it that volume 1 covers Britain and the allies
that fought alongside Britain troops, rather than major allies like Austria and
Russia?

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> I met with Richard Partridge yesterday at our club gathering and told
> him of the interest in the books on this list. He and I would like to
> express our appreciation for the comments passed and to let everyone
> know we have agreed to discuss developing the Battle Studies series with
> Partizan Press.
>
> As soon as anything comes out of the discussions, I'll put up a post and
> try to provide a timetable. At present, Partizan are publishing a series
> of Peninsular War titles written by Charles S Grant (the son of the late
> great Chas. Grant senior who was a personal friend). As an aside, I'm
> providing the maps for this series (Cartography Services). This may mean
> that Partizan will want to wait a while before committing to Battle
> Studies - if they even decide to go ahead.
>
> If they decide not to go ahead, we may self-publish using an on-line
> facility called "Lulu".
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of therugdoctor2003
> Sent: 26 November 2009 22:25
> To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
>
>
> Just to add my recommendation, I have "Battle studies", "napoleonic army
> handbook" and "albuera" and they are all excellent. Well worth tracking
> down (I found my copy of the "handbook" in a second hand shop in
> Cornwall when on holiday!)
>
> Daz
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know, they are all available from www.amazon.co.uk
> > <http://www.amazon. <http://www.amazon.co.uk/> co.uk/> .
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> > Of koszorus69
> > Sent: 26 November 2009 15:52
> > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike
> >
> > Having read the comments, "Battle Studies" seems like a book I should
> > have. Is it still available anywhere?
> >
> > And the "Army Handbook" volumes?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the appreciation. Richard and I have written three other
> > > books: the "Napoleonic Army Handbook" Vols. 1 & 2 with details of
> > every
> > > regiment that fought in the European theatre of the Napoleonic wars
> > > (uniforms, battles fought, strengths, commanders, origins and fate
> > after
> > > the wars). Finally, last year we had a new history of the Battle of
> > > Albuera - 1811 published by Pen & Sword. This wasn't designed
> > > specifically for wargamers as Battle Studies was but was an attempt
> to
> > > give a fair shake of the dice to the Spanish who, in our judgment,
> > > bought the time for the British to win with their lives.
> > >
> > > Battle Studies should, in our view, have been advertised & promoted
> in
> > > Wargames magazines but was simply reviewed in one or two.
> Consequently
> > > it sold only a thousand or so copies and the rest of the series was
> > > never commissioned. It's nice to find somebody who has read it!
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > > Sent: 26 November 2009 09:55
> > > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought I recognised your name.
> > >
> > > A nice useful little book in my opinion which I really enjoyed.
> Would
> > > definately like to see a follow on.
> > >
> > > I don't know why it didn't catch on with gamers as it had all you
> > needed
> > > for those early battles.
> > >
> > > Kev
> > >
> > > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's me, Kev. It was called "Battle Studies in the Peninsula"
> but
> > > > didn't get the publicity amongst wargamers that it really needed
> so
> > we
> > > > weren't asked to follow up. Some interest has been shown in
> > continuing
> > > > the series by Partizan Press and Richard partridge and I may again
> > > take
> > > > up the pen.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > > [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com]
> > On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > > > Sent: 26 November 2009 07:59
> > > > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > > > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...Are you the Mike Oliver by any chance who co-authored a nice
> > little
> > > > book on the early Peninsular battles a few years back?
> > > >
> > > > Kev
> > > >
> > > > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com>
> .com,
> > > > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope I'm not crossing any barriers here but are there any club
> > > > members
> > > > > subscribing to the list who'd like to attend my club's new show
> > > "Essex
> > > > > Eagle" in June next year? We invited the TFL guys but they are
> > > unable
> > > > to
> > > > > join us due to prior commitments. If you are interested and want
> > > > > details, visit the club website (link below) and contact us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > Secretary - Southend Wargames Club
> > > > > www.southendwargamesclub.com <http://www.southend
> > > > <http://www.southend <http://www.southend
> > <http://www.southend <http://www.southendwargamesclub.com/>
> wargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > > wargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > > > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > > > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartogra
> > > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartogra
> <http://www.cartography-services.co.uk> phy-services.co.uk>
> > phy-services.co.uk> phy-services.co.uk>
> > > > phy-services.co.uk> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> All in all I think on balance that with your 28mm collection based as it is
> and given both the table size you are limited to and the size of action that
> you are looking at that you may well find Lasalle or perhaps General
> d'Brigade more suitable rule sets (much though it pains me to say it J) as
> they are intended for the size action you are looking at.

I appreciate your comments - that helps a greta deal...I may be barking up the
wrong tree w/ doing LFS in 28mm...I still have my 6mm collection as a back up
and might give LFS a go with my 6mm Austrians & French....thnaks!

Faron.

"Napoleonic Army Handbook" Vols. 1 & 2


Awesome books - packed with details.
got'em and love 'em...

Si

Hi Terry,

My Prussians have a degree of flexibility.

I was using Kleist's II Corps from the 1813 campaign as my basic list to work
from, from Nafziger which has regimental strengths.

Regular Battlaions both Fusilier and Musketeer are 16 figures strong on four
bases of four figs.  Regular Prussian Battalions seem to drop rarely below 800
strong.  12 figures in my opinion is too small.

Half the Reserve Battalions are also the same as above.

All Landwehr and the other half of Reservists, four bases of three figures.

Landwehr Cavalry and National Cavalry Regts 8 figures strong.

Hussars, Kurassiers, Dragoons and Uhlans are all 12 figures strong as I included
a couple of figures as Freiwilliger contingents.

Obviously as the 1813 campaign wore on the cavalry strengths dropped
significantly so towards the end of 1813 my regiments are the standard 8 figures
or two regiments are combined into one 8 man unit.

Kev

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "chindit440" <terry_haney@...> wrote:
>
> Kev,
>
> How did you base your 1813 Prussians for LFSIII?
>
> The 1813-14 is my choice for LFSIII, actually have some command and cavalry
Max did for me a couple of years ago.
>
> Terry.
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "'Fat Wally'" <fat.wally@> wrote:
> >
> > Its already done that Daz.
> >
> > The playtesting of LFSIII at Wally HQ this summer saw my plan to buy a
Prussian Brigade suddenly become an entire Prussian Corps.
> >
> > I then ended up getting a Young Guard Infantry Division, Young Guard Cavalry
Division and a Middle Guard Brigade for 1813.
> >
> > Next year I am spending nowt.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@> wrote:
> >
> >  start saving for all those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
> > >
> > > Daz
> > >
> >
>

I always make my new years resolutions on the 1st. April.
The start of a new tax year.
This gives me 3 mths to do as I wish and has the added advantage of no
one takes it seriously. Besides the Triples is in April ;-)


Regards

Mike L.

Sent from iPhone

 

Hi Mike

Having read the comments, "Battle Studies" seems like a book I should have. Is it still available anywhere?

And the "Army Handbook" volumes?

Cheers

Bob

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the appreciation. Richard and I have written three other
> books: the "Napoleonic Army Handbook" Vols. 1 & 2 with details of every
> regiment that fought in the European theatre of the Napoleonic wars
> (uniforms, battles fought, strengths, commanders, origins and fate after
> the wars). Finally, last year we had a new history of the Battle of
> Albuera - 1811 published by Pen & Sword. This wasn't designed
> specifically for wargamers as Battle Studies was but was an attempt to
> give a fair shake of the dice to the Spanish who, in our judgment,
> bought the time for the British to win with their lives.
>
> Battle Studies should, in our view, have been advertised & promoted in
> Wargames magazines but was simply reviewed in one or two. Consequently
> it sold only a thousand or so copies and the rest of the series was
> never commissioned. It's nice to find somebody who has read it!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of 'Fat Wally'
> Sent: 26 November 2009 09:55
> To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
>
>
> I thought I recognised your name.
>
> A nice useful little book in my opinion which I really enjoyed. Would
> definately like to see a follow on.
>
> I don't know why it didn't catch on with gamers as it had all you needed
> for those early battles.
>
> Kev
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> >
> > That's me, Kev. It was called "Battle Studies in the Peninsula" but
> > didn't get the publicity amongst wargamers that it really needed so we
> > weren't asked to follow up. Some interest has been shown in continuing
> > the series by Partizan Press and Richard partridge and I may again
> take
> > up the pen.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > Sent: 26 November 2009 07:59
> > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> >
> >
> > ...Are you the Mike Oliver by any chance who co-authored a nice little
> > book on the early Peninsular battles a few years back?
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I hope I'm not crossing any barriers here but are there any club
> > members
> > > subscribing to the list who'd like to attend my club's new show
> "Essex
> > > Eagle" in June next year? We invited the TFL guys but they are
> unable
> > to
> > > join us due to prior commitments. If you are interested and want
> > > details, visit the club website (link below) and contact us.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > Secretary - Southend Wargames Club
> > > www.southendwargamesclub.com <http://www.southend
> > <http://www.southend <http://www.southendwargamesclub.com/>
> wargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartogra
> <http://www.cartography-services.co.uk> phy-services.co.uk>
> > phy-services.co.uk> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > >
> >
>

I dearly love "Sharp Practice" but am also looking to get into a Tactical
Napoleonic game at the Divisional level, to add some diversity to our skirmish
gaming. I have purchased "Lasalle" and will give those rules a try, but being a
fan of SP I also want to look at LFS III. I received the PDF of LFS III today
and was looking at the way units are based. I have not read the rules yet.

I have enough troops to field about 10-12 battalions per side in a Pennisular
setting. All of my figures are 28mm's and the inf are based on single 1" square
stands. My Cav figs are on 1"x2" stands. Artillery are based as single models on
a 2" stand with crew figs on seperate/single bases.

Question:
1. The rules make some suggestions on basing but Im a bit lost. If I use 12 inf
figs per battalion, could I mount 3 figs on a 1"x3" sabot and have 4 bases @ 3
figs each per unit? Cavalry would then be 2 figs per stand on 2" square sabots
so that the frontage of a cav regiment in line/abreast would be 8" and infantry
battalions would occupy a 12" frontage in line. Artillery would occupy a 2"
frontage. Will this work for the game?

2. The rules mention modifying the distances for 28mm figs, as LFS would seem to
be designed for smaller figs. Im confined to a 7.5' wide by 3.5' deep table for
my games. Will 28mm figs & LFS III work on that table size? Do any of you use
28's for the game? Does it work well with 28's?

3. My goal/objective is for each side to represent a division or two. Is this
the right rules set to simulate tactical games? Ie., games that are a step above
skirmish but not quite grand tactical....

Your comments would be most welcome and helpful....

Thanks....Faron.

Kev,

How did you base your 1813 Prussians for LFSIII?

The 1813-14 is my choice for LFSIII, actually have some command and cavalry Max
did for me a couple of years ago.

Terry.

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "'Fat Wally'" <fat.wally@...> wrote:
>
> Its already done that Daz.
>
> The playtesting of LFSIII at Wally HQ this summer saw my plan to buy a
Prussian Brigade suddenly become an entire Prussian Corps.
>
> I then ended up getting a Young Guard Infantry Division, Young Guard Cavalry
Division and a Middle Guard Brigade for 1813.
>
> Next year I am spending nowt.
>
> ;-)
>
> Kev
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@> wrote:
>
>  start saving for all those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
> >
> > Daz
> >
>

We find that some things speed play up:
- the umpire looking to turn the next card when a player is not going to cause a
combat by his actions
- having a "feel" for the scores needed for artillery to hit so that if an
obviously low or high roll is made you can just declare "miss" or "hit"
- having players be ready to take their turn once their card comes up, rather
than "my card is turned. Now, what shall I do?"

Things that slow play down:
- hesitant players: see above :-)
- getting troops out of boxes/finding them and organising them when they are
spotted. Bob's tip is a really good one.

Cheers,
Daz

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "rstoebick" <robbrr@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob,
>
> It's one of those things we have noted, but at the end of the day, "we enjoy
the journey" and get less concerned about the destination.
>
> Eagerly awating version 3.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "koszorus69" <bob@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rob and welcome to the club. Like you, we in Budapest have never
succeeded in reaching the real-time benchmark. It all falls to pieces as soon as
the first combats begin. Our average over a game hardly ever falls below 25
minutes per turn, sometimes longer. We have, however,  found the following
things helpful.
> >
> > 1. Whoever is organising the scenario (generally me) has to put all the
troops in separate, labelled boxes, according to their command groups. This
makes things much easier when deploying.
> > 2. When someone is spotted, whenever possible, we get on with the game,
while they sort out the tedious deployment thing.
> > 3. The number of cards in the pack makes more difference to the length of a
game turn than the number of troops on the table, so we try to limit the number
of "commands" per side. More and more often now, in the scenarios I design, I
try to avoid "independent" commands, if possible. For example, having a cavalry
division, rather than two independent brigades, actually saves time (whilst
creating command difficulties, of course). Similarly, I often put corps
artillery directly under the C-in-C and so on.
> >
> > However, in the end we still fail lamentably to meet the standard. It isn't
because we don't know the rules. I honestly don't know how the other guys do it.
> >
> > Perhaps the real secret is to be less ambitious in the scenarios. Five
commands per side (including the C-in-C) and a scenario limited to around 14
game turns and we can get it finished before someone has to go home. If it is an
evening game (say four hours maximum), 4 commands per side and 12 game turns.
This calls for careful thought when designing the scenario.
> >
> > Of course, none of this alters the fact that LFS is just the best.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "rstoebick" <robbrr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > While eagerly awaiting LFS III, I had one open question to the group.
> > >
> > > Our group has been playing LFS II for a few years now and we have not been
able to run our games in real time, are there any suggestions other players have
for keeping on pace?
> > >
> > > It's not a major concern, but I am curious.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> >
>

Of course you're not. That's the first new year resolution to go :-)

Daz

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "'Fat Wally'" <fat.wally@...> wrote:
>
> Its already done that Daz.
>
> The playtesting of LFSIII at Wally HQ this summer saw my plan to buy a
Prussian Brigade suddenly become an entire Prussian Corps.
>
> I then ended up getting a Young Guard Infantry Division, Young Guard Cavalry
Division and a Middle Guard Brigade for 1813.
>
> Next year I am spending nowt.
>
> ;-)
>
> Kev
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@> wrote:
>
>  start saving for all those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
> >
> > Daz
> >
>

Just to add my recommendation, I have "Battle studies", "napoleonic army
handbook" and "albuera" and they are all excellent. Well worth tracking down (I
found my copy of the "handbook" in a second hand shop in Cornwall when on
holiday!)

Daz

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> As far as I know, they are all available from www.amazon.co.uk
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/> .
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of koszorus69
> Sent: 26 November 2009 15:52
> To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
>
>
> Hi Mike
>
> Having read the comments, "Battle Studies" seems like a book I should
> have. Is it still available anywhere?
>
> And the "Army Handbook" volumes?
>
> Cheers
>
> Bob
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the appreciation. Richard and I have written three other
> > books: the "Napoleonic Army Handbook" Vols. 1 & 2 with details of
> every
> > regiment that fought in the European theatre of the Napoleonic wars
> > (uniforms, battles fought, strengths, commanders, origins and fate
> after
> > the wars). Finally, last year we had a new history of the Battle of
> > Albuera - 1811 published by Pen & Sword. This wasn't designed
> > specifically for wargamers as Battle Studies was but was an attempt to
> > give a fair shake of the dice to the Spanish who, in our judgment,
> > bought the time for the British to win with their lives.
> >
> > Battle Studies should, in our view, have been advertised & promoted in
> > Wargames magazines but was simply reviewed in one or two. Consequently
> > it sold only a thousand or so copies and the rest of the series was
> > never commissioned. It's nice to find somebody who has read it!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > Sent: 26 November 2009 09:55
> > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> >
> >
> > I thought I recognised your name.
> >
> > A nice useful little book in my opinion which I really enjoyed. Would
> > definately like to see a follow on.
> >
> > I don't know why it didn't catch on with gamers as it had all you
> needed
> > for those early battles.
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's me, Kev. It was called "Battle Studies in the Peninsula" but
> > > didn't get the publicity amongst wargamers that it really needed so
> we
> > > weren't asked to follow up. Some interest has been shown in
> continuing
> > > the series by Partizan Press and Richard partridge and I may again
> > take
> > > up the pen.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com]
> On
> > Behalf
> > > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > > Sent: 26 November 2009 07:59
> > > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Are you the Mike Oliver by any chance who co-authored a nice
> little
> > > book on the early Peninsular battles a few years back?
> > >
> > > Kev
> > >
> > > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hope I'm not crossing any barriers here but are there any club
> > > members
> > > > subscribing to the list who'd like to attend my club's new show
> > "Essex
> > > > Eagle" in June next year? We invited the TFL guys but they are
> > unable
> > > to
> > > > join us due to prior commitments. If you are interested and want
> > > > details, visit the club website (link below) and contact us.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > Secretary - Southend Wargames Club
> > > > www.southendwargamesclub.com <http://www.southend
> > > <http://www.southend <http://www.southend
> <http://www.southendwargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > wargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartogra
> > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartography-services.co.uk>
> phy-services.co.uk> phy-services.co.uk>
> > > phy-services.co.uk> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

And another pdf has arrived here in the States.
I thought there was only a 5 hr time difference.

thanks for the quick service.

jms

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "chindit440" <terry_haney@...> wrote:
>
> My pdf copy just arrived.
>
> Terry
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "'Fat Wally'" <fat.wally@> wrote:
> >
> > Its already done that Daz.
> >
> > The playtesting of LFSIII at Wally HQ this summer saw my plan to buy a
Prussian Brigade suddenly become an entire Prussian Corps.
> >
> > I then ended up getting a Young Guard Infantry Division, Young Guard Cavalry
Division and a Middle Guard Brigade for 1813.
> >
> > Next year I am spending nowt.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@> wrote:
> >
> >  start saving for all those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
> > >
> > > Daz
> > >
> >
>

My pdf copy just arrived.

Terry

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "'Fat Wally'" <fat.wally@...> wrote:
>
> Its already done that Daz.
>
> The playtesting of LFSIII at Wally HQ this summer saw my plan to buy a
Prussian Brigade suddenly become an entire Prussian Corps.
>
> I then ended up getting a Young Guard Infantry Division, Young Guard Cavalry
Division and a Middle Guard Brigade for 1813.
>
> Next year I am spending nowt.
>
> ;-)
>
> Kev
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@> wrote:
>
>  start saving for all those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
> >
> > Daz
> >
>

Its already done that Daz.

The playtesting of LFSIII at Wally HQ this summer saw my plan to buy a Prussian
Brigade suddenly become an entire Prussian Corps.

I then ended up getting a Young Guard Infantry Division, Young Guard Cavalry
Division and a Middle Guard Brigade for 1813.

Next year I am spending nowt.

;-)

Kev

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@...> wrote:

  start saving for all those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
>
> Daz
>

Greetings

I'm planning to upgrade my 15mm Peninsular forces for LFS III - I bought some
OG15 Italian line infantry on Saturday at Warfare - so 4 battalions - and have
just ordered some Spanish militia and volunteers from Timecast and a few Spanish
packs from Warmodelling.

Regards

Edward

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Simon" <napoleonic10mm@...> wrote:
>
> Order placed and after my visit to Warfare yesterday, armies are under
starters order!
>
> Si
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "therugdoctor2003" <darrengreen123@> wrote:
> >
> > Rich tells me that LFS III will be available next friday!
> >
> > Cancel your plans, send the family out shopping and start saving for all
those new armies it's going to make you buy :-)
> >
> > Daz
> >
>

Hi Mike

Having read the comments, "Battle Studies" seems like a book I should have. Is
it still available anywhere?

And the "Army Handbook" volumes?

Cheers

Bob

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the appreciation. Richard and I have written three other
> books: the "Napoleonic Army Handbook" Vols. 1 & 2 with details of every
> regiment that fought in the European theatre of the Napoleonic wars
> (uniforms, battles fought, strengths, commanders, origins and fate after
> the wars). Finally, last year we had a new history of the Battle of
> Albuera - 1811 published by Pen & Sword. This wasn't designed
> specifically for wargamers as Battle Studies was but was an attempt to
> give a fair shake of the dice to the Spanish who, in our judgment,
> bought the time for the British to win with their lives.
>
> Battle Studies should, in our view, have been advertised & promoted in
> Wargames magazines but was simply reviewed in one or two. Consequently
> it sold only a thousand or so copies and the rest of the series was
> never commissioned. It's nice to find somebody who has read it!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of 'Fat Wally'
> Sent: 26 November 2009 09:55
> To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
>
>
> I thought I recognised your name.
>
> A nice useful little book in my opinion which I really enjoyed. Would
> definately like to see a follow on.
>
> I don't know why it didn't catch on with gamers as it had all you needed
> for those early battles.
>
> Kev
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> >
> > That's me, Kev. It was called "Battle Studies in the Peninsula" but
> > didn't get the publicity amongst wargamers that it really needed so we
> > weren't asked to follow up. Some interest has been shown in continuing
> > the series by Partizan Press and Richard partridge and I may again
> take
> > up the pen.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mike
> > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
> Behalf
> > Of 'Fat Wally'
> > Sent: 26 November 2009 07:59
> > To: lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com
> > Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show
> >
> >
> > ...Are you the Mike Oliver by any chance who co-authored a nice little
> > book on the early Peninsular battles a few years back?
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > --- In lfslist@yahoogroups <mailto:lfslist%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I hope I'm not crossing any barriers here but are there any club
> > members
> > > subscribing to the list who'd like to attend my club's new show
> "Essex
> > > Eagle" in June next year? We invited the TFL guys but they are
> unable
> > to
> > > join us due to prior commitments. If you are interested and want
> > > details, visit the club website (link below) and contact us.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > Secretary - Southend Wargames Club
> > > www.southendwargamesclub.com <http://www.southend
> > <http://www.southend <http://www.southendwargamesclub.com/>
> wargamesclub.com/> wargamesclub.com/>
> > > www.warmodelling.co.uk
> > > <http://www.cartogra <http://www.cartogra
> <http://www.cartography-services.co.uk> phy-services.co.uk>
> > phy-services.co.uk> www.cartography-services.co.uk
> > >
> >
>

Hi John

Welcome to the wonderful world of LFS. Don't worry, you're not the first (and
won't be the last) sad old git to get excited about these rules. I'm very sad,
very old and almost certainly a git and I found they totally transformed my
wargaming.

As Nick has already said, feel free to raise any questions. In the mean time
though, you will find that LFS is very tolerant of different figure scales. For
example, with cavalry, the only thing really to worry about is that an infantry
battalion in line should not overlap a cavalry column by 100%. So, if you have 8
cavalry figures in a regiment, in column 4 figures wide (based at 20mm per
figure), a 12 man infantry battalion in line should be somthing like
150mm wide (12.5mm per figure, or 1/2" if you really are a sad old git like me).
Depending on your figures, that could be a little too close for comfort (it
would be a tight squeeze for my 28mm figures). If so, don't worry. Leave them
based as they are and play with the convention that an infantry line overlaps a
cavalry column (with a frontage of 2 x 2 man bases) by 50% not 100%. It'll work
just fine.

Cheers
Bob

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "john_gretzer" <turnpikelodge@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I'm new to LFS having struggled with the frustration of Grand manner for at
least 12 years.
>
> I hated not being able to reach a conclusion, and generally everything being
predictable.
>
> I am very exited (sad old git) about these rules. At last some FOG and some
surprises on the table, all in a few hours (wow)
>
> I'm hoping to use my 28mm cavalry, generals and artillery from GM. So i'll
have to base the infantry to suit their frontage (20mm per cavalry figure)
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Oliver

To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:34 AM

Subject: RE: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show

 

That’s me, Kev. It was called “Battle Studies in the Peninsula” but didn’t get the publicity amongst wargamers that it really needed so we weren’t asked to follow up. Some interest has been shown in continuing the series by Partizan Press and Richard partridge and I may again take up the pen.

Cheers,

Mike

www.warmodelling.co.uk

www.cartography-services.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: lfslist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lfslist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Fat Wally'
Sent: 26 November 2009 07:59
To: lfslist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lfslist] Re: Wargames Show

 

...Are you the Mike Oliver by any chance who co-authored a nice little book on the early Peninsular battles a few years back?

Kev

--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Oliver" <mike-oliver@...> wrote:
>
> I hope I'm not crossing any barriers here but are there any club members
> subscribing to the list who'd like to attend my club's new show "Essex
> Eagle" in June next year? We invited the TFL guys but they are unable to
> join us due to prior commitments. If you are interested and want
> details, visit the club website (link below) and contact us.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
> Secretary - Southend Wargames Club
> www.southendwargamesclub.com <http://www.southendwargamesclub.com/>
> www.warmodelling.co.uk
> <http://www.cartography-services.co.uk> www.cartography-services.co.uk
>

Thanks Bob,

It's one of those things we have noted, but at the end of the day, "we enjoy the
journey" and get less concerned about the destination.

Eagerly awating version 3.

Best regards,

Rob



--- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "koszorus69" <bob@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob and welcome to the club. Like you, we in Budapest have never succeeded
in reaching the real-time benchmark. It all falls to pieces as soon as the first
combats begin. Our average over a game hardly ever falls below 25 minutes per
turn, sometimes longer. We have, however,  found the following things helpful.
>
> 1. Whoever is organising the scenario (generally me) has to put all the troops
in separate, labelled boxes, according to their command groups. This makes
things much easier when deploying.
> 2. When someone is spotted, whenever possible, we get on with the game, while
they sort out the tedious deployment thing.
> 3. The number of cards in the pack makes more difference to the length of a
game turn than the number of troops on the table, so we try to limit the number
of "commands" per side. More and more often now, in the scenarios I design, I
try to avoid "independent" commands, if possible. For example, having a cavalry
division, rather than two independent brigades, actually saves time (whilst
creating command difficulties, of course). Similarly, I often put corps
artillery directly under the C-in-C and so on.
>
> However, in the end we still fail lamentably to meet the standard. It isn't
because we don't know the rules. I honestly don't know how the other guys do it.
>
> Perhaps the real secret is to be less ambitious in the scenarios. Five
commands per side (including the C-in-C) and a scenario limited to around 14
game turns and we can get it finished before someone has to go home. If it is an
evening game (say four hours maximum), 4 commands per side and 12 game turns.
This calls for careful thought when designing the scenario.
>
> Of course, none of this alters the fact that LFS is just the best.
>
> Cheers
> Bob
>
> --- In lfslist@yahoogroups.com, "rstoebick" <robbrr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > While eagerly awaiting LFS III, I had one open question to the group.
> >
> > Our group has been playing LFS II for a few years now and we have not been
able to run our games in real time, are there any suggestions other players have
for keeping on pace?
> >
> > It's not a major concern, but I am curious.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Rob
> >
>