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Re: [ignn] Re: Status of the Game

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, dmdsnprls99 wrote:

> This could be a mess.
>
> The simplest interpretation is that, because Alex (probably)
> did "vote/respond" (in some sense), Alex should be active. (rule 82
> does not apply)
>
> My ruling is that Alex is active.

I have updated my players web page to reflect this judgement.

> Thoughts and concerns about this interpretation:
>
> Allowing this interpretation of the rules in every situation (correct
> though it may be) could quickly lead us into an unmanageable (even
> paradoxical) game state.
>
> This seems to indicate there is a problem with this interpretation.
> (At first, I thought this potential paradox implied that it must
> conflict with some other rule, but I could not find any rule that it
> conflicted with. (Apparently neither could Jeff.))
>
> The real problem is that this interpretation, while not conflicting
> explicitly with any of the other rules, seems to conflict with the
> ASSUMPTIONS made by several of the other rules (or players reading
> them). For example, some other rules/players appeared to ASSUME that
> votes are communicated to other players (meaning received by other
> players.) Additionaly they seem to have assumed that the gamestate
> would be the same from the perspective of each player and that it
> would not need to be laboriously merged and resolved from time to
> time.

You bring up some very good points. I've been studying how Agora
handles these types of situations (actually I've been playing Agora for
the last several weeks), and I'll try to summarize their aproach.
Essentially, they have various offices that track different bits of the
gamestate. All of the officers must issue a weekly report that contains
all of the gamestate information they are tracking. There is a system in
place for making Claims of Error to correct any errors that may occur.
There is also a ratification process, where if no players object to the
ratification of the report, it can be declared to be an official
representation of the gamestate.

While we probably don't need anything so fancy at this stage,
having all aspects of the gamestate being tracked and having regular
reports on the gamestate would be a good start. We could utilize our Rule
Judge rules to work out any errors with the reports.




Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:56 am

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Sorry for disappearing for a while there. I got tired of being the only person making proposals and was hoping someone else would hop in for a bit. Guess...
Sir Toby
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Feb 24, 2002
11:41 pm

I did vote for that proposal and I have the message in sent items to prove it. (see attached) ... From: "Sir Toby" <jjweston@...> To:...
Alex Jackson
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Feb 25, 2002
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... Can anyone confirm this? I checked and double checked. I did not receive any such message. I also checked the Yahoo Groups archive and don't see it listed...
Sir Toby
westonje
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Feb 25, 2002
4:08 pm

I can't confirm this. And I can't deny it. But I do not see it in the archive either. Luke ... to prove ... not ... and...
dmdsnprls99
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Feb 25, 2002
8:26 pm

I did not find it in the archive either.... I also do not remember getting the email back via the list like usual. I was on my way out and thought it was...
Alex Jackson
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Feb 26, 2002
2:23 am

... Oh boy... This is gonna be a mess. I wish I would have reconciled these events when they occured. I note that the rules do not say HOW someone is to vote...
Sir Toby
westonje
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Feb 26, 2002
4:54 am

This could be a mess. The simplest interpretation is that, because Alex (probably) did "vote/respond" (in some sense), Alex should be active. (rule 82 does...
dmdsnprls99
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Feb 26, 2002
9:07 pm

... I have updated my players web page to reflect this judgement. ... You bring up some very good points. I've been studying how Agora handles these types of...
Sir Toby
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Feb 27, 2002
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