Quick terminology check to avoid confusion - tagging is for spending
determination, compelling is for awarding/gaining determination. Players can't
tag their own challenges (like enemy) to spend determination, only their
qualities. GMs can *compel* a player's challenges to award them determination.
GMs can also compel a player's qualities to award them determination. Players
can tag another character's qualities AND challenges to spend determination.

Usually when I (as GM) compel a player's enemy challenge (and award them a
determination point), it's to get them to immediately drop doing something else
to focus on the actions of their sworn enemy. They can always refuse the compel,
but that costs them a point of determination instead. But if the NPC villain
merely shows up at the same location as the hero, for example as a guest at an
event like a big charity ball the hero is also attending, I usually don't award
determination just for that. Not until the villain takes some antagonistic
action.

jaerdaph

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Icosahedrophilia <d20@...> wrote:
>
> Dear friends,
>
> What does it look like in practice to tag an Enemy challenge? Do you award the
hero a point of Determination if you use their Enemy in an adventure? How have
you tagged Enemy to good effect, or had Enemy tagged for you to good effect?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Heard
> Icosahedrophilia Blog and Podcast
> http://drchris.me/d20
>

http://tinyurl.com/genconicons

In celebration of the Stark City Kickstarter hitting the 50 percent mark, both
John Post and Dan Houser have agreed to run special GenCon only sessions of
ICONS for around 50 bucks.

50 bucks! Supplies are limited (only 4 games)

If you're interrested, we've added two new backer levels at 50 (for Dan) and 51
(for John) on the main Stark City KS page - check it out!

http://tinyurl.com/genconicons


--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Hollis McCray <ascensionschild@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Steve Kenson <stevekenson@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:06 AM, ascensionschild@... wrote:
> >
> > Any other ICONS fans going to Gen Con?
> >
> >
> > I'll be there, doing my "Industry Guest" things and staffing the Green
> > Ronin booth the rest of the time. You can find my GenCon schedule on my
> > blog:
> >
> >
> >
http://stephen.kenson.home.comcast.net/~stephen.kenson/Steve_Kenson/Blog/Entries\
/2012/6/11_Re__ICONS_4_2.html
> >
> > Of particular interest may be "Supergame Team-Up!" at 2:00 PM on Saturday
> > – Dennis (Wild Talents) Detwiler, and Stan! (Marvel Saga) Brown and I talk
> > superhero RPGs!
> >
> > Hope to see some of you there!
> >
>
> Sadly, I don't think I'll be able to make any of your seminars due to
> working a booth myself. But I'll see if I can swing by and say hi.
> --
> Hollis McCray
> aka The Fifth Wanderer
>
> ascensionschild@...
>
> "GMing is like herding cats. Wet, angry cats who are pumped full of LSD and
> methamphetamines." - Stolen from some forum sig somewhere
>

The cover image is finished for the first supplement! Check it out! And we're
awful close to the $2000.00 mark! Which means, another freebie! :)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1925514456/stark-city-setting-and-city-build\
ing-toolkit-for-i/posts


--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, "mama_mame" <mama_mame@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1925514456/stark-city-setting-and-city-build\
ing-toolkit-for-i
>
> The ICONS Stark City Kickstarter is up and ready! :)
> Check it out!
>
>
>
> --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, "dirkgentry2000" <dirkgentry2000@> wrote:
> >
> > just FYI
> > Another of the reward levels (just $60) lets you have Dan GM a skype game of
ICONS for you...
> >
> > --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, John McMullen <jhmcmullen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like fun. Wish I were going to GenCon--but instead a cottage that
relatives are paying for. (No Internet and I will be required to be present for
fishing trips, in body if not in mind.)
> > >  
> > > Housekeeping cottages: The small town experience at three times the price!
> > >  
> > > (But seriously, it's my in-laws who are good folk, so I'm glad to go along
and present a good front to my Internet-obsessed offspring.)
> > >
> > > John McMullen (Searching for a .sig)
> > > jhmcmullen@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: mama_mame <mama_mame@>
> > > To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:45 PM
> > > Subject: [icons-rpg] Re: So - new big thing for ICONS will be...Stark City
> > >
> > > Okay -- Here's a sneak peek at one of the rewards for Stark City's
Kickstarter for people who are going to GenCon this year:
> > >
> > > At the 150 level -- I run a private ICONS session for you at GenCon with a
character generation session at my hotel!
> > >
> > > I'll be running two sessions at GenCon, with four slots at each game. The
most creative character at the table / best roleplayer gets a limited edition
Stark City shot glass (to celebrate both Mike and I's penchant for drinking on
the BAMF-Cast occasionally, and to remind you that ICONS is definitely a
'whiskey and pretzels' type game.)
> > >
> > > They're definitely 'First Come, First Served', and the scenarios I'll be
running will be, a yet unpublished Improbable Tales Scenario 'Dr. Warp and his
Golden Robots' and the second one will be 'Gangbusters', an ICONS Module I wrote
with Chris McGroarty. There will be character generation at the table, with an
added extra: I'll be drawing your characters for you at the Con!
> > >
> > > So, this is just to let you know that if you're going to GenCon, you have
a chance to fund a GREAT supplement for ICONS, AND the chance to get a game run
for you by me with fantastic prizes up for grabs! :)
> > >
> > > If you have any questions post them below -- and I'll be happy to answer
them.
> > >
> > > Best, and looking forward to meeting all of you!
> > >
> > > Dan Houser
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Hollis McCray <ascensionschild@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to this!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Hollis McCray
> > > > aka The Fifth Wanderer
> > > >
> > > > ascensionschild@
> > > >
> > > > "GMing is like herding cats. Wet, angry cats who are pumped full of LSD
and
> > > > methamphetamines." - Stolen from some forum sig somewhere
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> >
>

hey folks. Did a new ICONS Actual Play podcast tonight and it was a lot of fun.
You can check it out here:

http://tinyurl.com/97wk98k

http://tinyurl.com/vampsofrs

Just released: Vampires of Red Square! Available at RPGNOW for just $1.50.

This latest adventure in the Improbable Tales line has your heroes pitted
against an army of undead commandos and supernatural menaces that are
threatening to overrun the Kremlin.

30 pages of ICONS fun with art by Dan Houser, Jon Gibbons and Adrian Smith for
less than the price of a fancy coffee at Starbucks (just $1.50!)

Check it out:
http://tinyurl.com/vampsofrs

Thought I'd share this, as I don't think the people from Purple Duck Games are part of the group

---

Purple Duck Games is proud to present Heroic Moments: The Possesion of Dr. Diamond for the ICONS Roleplaying Game.

‘Doctor Diamond’ is a name known to most of the inhabitants of the City. He is an obsessed scientist overtaken by his theories of using diamonds and other crystals to break the dimensional barrier. Over the years this obsession has led him into several diamond and jewel heists attempting to get the materials he needs for his experiments. This almost always leads him back to jail at the minimum sentence for being just that pathetic.

All of that changed a week ago when Dr. Diamond succeeded in opening a doorway to another world. Zyr-Khan the Conqueror, a crystalline spider from the world on the “other side� leapt onto Dr. Diamond and instantly possessed him.

Since then the doctor’s reputation has changed. Dr. Diamond continues to plot ways to steal dimensional technology, but now there is a dark edge to the formerly soft spoken Doctor’s plots. In the last two heists two bystanders have been gravely wounded. Most troubling of all, the heists have been successful. Few suspect Zyr-Khan’s true plan is to create a dimensional bomb to send itself home, dragging the city with him in the process.

Events come to a head when the possessed Dr. Diamond breaks into the best equipped physics lab in the city, taking hostages in the process.

Heroic Moments is the series of single scenes (or heroic moments) for four-color superheroic games like the ICONS Roleplaying Game. This series is designed to be dropped seamlessly into any existing superhero campaign. All Heroic Moments are set in “The City,� which has many of the same features of any typical comic book setting. Locations in The City are left somewhat vague to make adaptations easier.

Available Now! http://www.rpgnow.com/product/105008/%5BIcons%5D-Heroic-Moments%3A-The-Possession-of-Dr.-Diamond

Soultaker Studios Blog: http://soultakerstudios.blogspot.com/

I picked up a copy this morning and really enjoyed it. I have all the previous
Heroic Moments for 4C/MSH FASERIP and it's very easy to use those for ICONS
games as well. I'm really glad that Purple Duck Games will be doing Heroic
Moments for ICONS now.

Best,
jaerdaph
JUST ADD HEROES
An ICONS Superpowered Roleplaying Game Blog by Joe "jaerdaph" Bardales
http://justaddheroes.blogspot.com

Yeah, I had been picking these up to convert to other systems, as I felt 4C was
too limited a retroclone of FASERIP. I've had conversations on G+ with the head
of Purple Duck, and had asked if they were planning on versions for other
systems. Glad to see he chose one that will hopefully give their material access
to larger audiences. Now they just need to convert some of the older ones, as
some of the others are pretty good too.

-----Original Message-----
>From: jaerdaph <jjbardales@...>
>Sent: Aug 21, 2012 8:59 PM
>To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [icons-rpg] Re: Heroic Moments now for ICONS!
>
>I picked up a copy this morning and really enjoyed it. I have all the previous
Heroic Moments for 4C/MSH FASERIP and it's very easy to use those for ICONS
games as well. I'm really glad that Purple Duck Games will be doing Heroic
Moments for ICONS now.
>
>Best,
>jaerdaph
>JUST ADD HEROES
>An ICONS Superpowered Roleplaying Game Blog by Joe "jaerdaph" Bardales
>http://justaddheroes.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


Soultaker Studios Blog: http://soultakerstudios.blogspot.com/

I have a text file in my ICONS folder called "Soylent Green" where I save a lot
of your ICONS posts and observations. It got a little larger tonight. :)

That was a really good thread - and Tim Kirk (Silverlion) is a smart egg. Thanks
for sharing that - definitely worth the read.

jaerdaph

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Soylent Green <gsoylent@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> As things have been really quite here (all around too much face-melting to
post I suspect) I thought I'd point out a thread on a roleplaying forum about
running supers game which I feel is full of good ideas (even if I posted there
myself).
> http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=23818
>
> Just a little warning, therpgsite is a bit of a rough place. Not all threads
there are quite so friendly.
> Also in unrelated news, they finally started showing season 2 of Avengers EMH
in the UK. Absolutely awesome!
>

We were happy to start producing mateiral for the ICONS system. The author of
this particular Heroic Moment had actually been in discussions with Daniel
(Highmoon Games) a while back to have this happen. When he saw that we took over
the Heroic Moment brand he brought the file to us.

- Mark Gedak, Purple Duck Games.

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Gerry <urbwarzine@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I had been picking these up to convert to other systems, as I felt 4C
was too limited a retroclone of FASERIP. I've had conversations on G+ with the
head of Purple Duck, and had asked if they were planning on versions for other
systems. Glad to see he chose one that will hopefully give their material access
to larger audiences. Now they just need to convert some of the older ones, as
some of the others are pretty good too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: jaerdaph <jjbardales@...>
> >Sent: Aug 21, 2012 8:59 PM
> >To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [icons-rpg] Re: Heroic Moments now for ICONS!
> >
> >I picked up a copy this morning and really enjoyed it. I have all the
previous Heroic Moments for 4C/MSH FASERIP and it's very easy to use those for
ICONS games as well. I'm really glad that Purple Duck Games will be doing Heroic
Moments for ICONS now.
> >
> >Best,
> >jaerdaph
> >JUST ADD HEROES
> >An ICONS Superpowered Roleplaying Game Blog by Joe "jaerdaph" Bardales
> >http://justaddheroes.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Soultaker Studios Blog: http://soultakerstudios.blogspot.com/
>

Hey, Mark -welcome to the ICONS 3rd Party Publisher club!

Love to have you on the podcast (mikelaff.podbean.com) to talk about your plans
for icons.

If you're interested - feel free to drop me a line at mikelaff at gmail dot com

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, "purple_duck_games" <gedakm@...> wrote:
>
> We were happy to start producing mateiral for the ICONS system. The author of
this particular Heroic Moment had actually been in discussions with Daniel
(Highmoon Games) a while back to have this happen. When he saw that we took over
the Heroic Moment brand he brought the file to us.
>
> - Mark Gedak, Purple Duck Games.
>
> --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Gerry <urbwarzine@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I had been picking these up to convert to other systems, as I felt 4C
was too limited a retroclone of FASERIP. I've had conversations on G+ with the
head of Purple Duck, and had asked if they were planning on versions for other
systems. Glad to see he chose one that will hopefully give their material access
to larger audiences. Now they just need to convert some of the older ones, as
some of the others are pretty good too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: jaerdaph <jjbardales@>
> > >Sent: Aug 21, 2012 8:59 PM
> > >To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [icons-rpg] Re: Heroic Moments now for ICONS!
> > >
> > >I picked up a copy this morning and really enjoyed it. I have all the
previous Heroic Moments for 4C/MSH FASERIP and it's very easy to use those for
ICONS games as well. I'm really glad that Purple Duck Games will be doing Heroic
Moments for ICONS now.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >jaerdaph
> > >JUST ADD HEROES
> > >An ICONS Superpowered Roleplaying Game Blog by Joe "jaerdaph" Bardales
> > >http://justaddheroes.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Soultaker Studios Blog: http://soultakerstudios.blogspot.com/
> >
>

(Hey feel free to delete if this is _too_ off topic.)

Just thought since it was a fund-raiser at a comic shop - it might be close
enough.

The folks at All C's (the one comic shop in Aurora, CO) are having a fundraiser
this weekend for the victims of the theater shooting here last month.

When I lived in Aurora, All C's was my FLCS. They're good people  stepping up to
do the right thing and they deserve your support.

If you can give them a tweet or a like - that'd be great. The relevant facebook
link is:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aurora-Rise-Benefit-Event/479465245414113

If you'd rather contribute directly - the link for that is
https://givingfirst.org/aurorarise

Stark City Update

As we've passed the 2k mark and are chugging towards the goal we've started
thinking about Stretch Goals.

The latest update lists several of the adventures we're developing as
unlockables once we pass the funding goal.

While we are feeling good about our chances, we're not there yet. If you're a
fan of ICONS who wants to see the system get a first class setting (and
Kenson-penned Setting Rules) - please consider becoming a backer.

You can check out the latest update here:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1925514456/stark-city-setting-and-city-build\
ing-toolkit-for-i/posts

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, "mama_mame" <mama_mame@...> wrote:
>
>
> The cover image is finished for the first supplement! Check it out! And we're
awful close to the $2000.00 mark! Which means, another freebie! :)
>
>
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1925514456/stark-city-setting-and-city-build\
ing-toolkit-for-i/posts
>
>
> --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, "mama_mame" <mama_mame@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1925514456/stark-city-setting-and-city-build\
ing-toolkit-for-i
> >
> > The ICONS Stark City Kickstarter is up and ready! :)
> > Check it out!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, "dirkgentry2000" <dirkgentry2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > just FYI
> > > Another of the reward levels (just $60) lets you have Dan GM a skype game
of ICONS for you...
> > >
> > > --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, John McMullen <jhmcmullen@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like fun. Wish I were going to GenCon--but instead a cottage that
relatives are paying for. (No Internet and I will be required to be present for
fishing trips, in body if not in mind.)
> > > >  
> > > > Housekeeping cottages: The small town experience at three times the
price!
> > > >  
> > > > (But seriously, it's my in-laws who are good folk, so I'm glad to go
along and present a good front to my Internet-obsessed offspring.)
> > > >
> > > > John McMullen (Searching for a .sig)
> > > > jhmcmullen@
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: mama_mame <mama_mame@>
> > > > To: icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:45 PM
> > > > Subject: [icons-rpg] Re: So - new big thing for ICONS will be...Stark
City
> > > >
> > > > Okay -- Here's a sneak peek at one of the rewards for Stark City's
Kickstarter for people who are going to GenCon this year:
> > > >
> > > > At the 150 level -- I run a private ICONS session for you at GenCon with
a character generation session at my hotel!
> > > >
> > > > I'll be running two sessions at GenCon, with four slots at each game.
The most creative character at the table / best roleplayer gets a limited
edition Stark City shot glass (to celebrate both Mike and I's penchant for
drinking on the BAMF-Cast occasionally, and to remind you that ICONS is
definitely a 'whiskey and pretzels' type game.)
> > > >
> > > > They're definitely 'First Come, First Served', and the scenarios I'll be
running will be, a yet unpublished Improbable Tales Scenario 'Dr. Warp and his
Golden Robots' and the second one will be 'Gangbusters', an ICONS Module I wrote
with Chris McGroarty. There will be character generation at the table, with an
added extra: I'll be drawing your characters for you at the Con!
> > > >
> > > > So, this is just to let you know that if you're going to GenCon, you
have a chance to fund a GREAT supplement for ICONS, AND the chance to get a game
run for you by me with fantastic prizes up for grabs! :)
> > > >
> > > > If you have any questions post them below -- and I'll be happy to answer
them.
> > > >
> > > > Best, and looking forward to meeting all of you!
> > > >
> > > > Dan Houser
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Hollis McCray <ascensionschild@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to this!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Hollis McCray
> > > > > aka The Fifth Wanderer
> > > > >
> > > > > ascensionschild@
> > > > >
> > > > > "GMing is like herding cats. Wet, angry cats who are pumped full of
LSD and
> > > > > methamphetamines." - Stolen from some forum sig somewhere
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> Characters: I prefer random roll or 145 point point-buy, but this is the
> Internet: I have to trust you unless you roll it with me, and that
> doesn't sound like fun for either of us. Assuming this goes forward,
> I'll want characters by the Monday before so I can customize the session.
>

Do you mean 45 points?

Duh. Yes.

John



On 2012-08-26, at 3:05 PM, "Tim K." <silverlion@...> wrote:

>
>> Characters: I prefer random roll or 145 point point-buy, but this is the
>> Internet: I have to trust you unless you roll it with me, and that
>> doesn't sound like fun for either of us. Assuming this goes forward,
>> I'll want characters by the Monday before so I can customize the session.
>>
>
> Do you mean 45 points?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

http://tinyurl.com/Bodhivajra

Justice Wheels #10 features Bodhivajra an enlightened mystic in the pulp
tradition who uses his cosmic-awareness (along with a stiff left hook and his
flying car; the Vajramobile) to help those in need.

On sale now for just a buck!

http://tinyurl.com/Bodhivajra

A good friend believes in you... even if it gets him eaten by a huge robot.

So September is tomorrow. Any word on Team-Up.

Sent from my iPad

Well - the latest info was posted by Steve Kenson on rpg.net earlier this week

here's the link
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?612670-ICONS-Team-Up-will-we-EVER-see-it&p=1\
5841894#post15841894

and here's the quote:
"The information I was given at GenCon has, once again, been revised... I'm now
told I will see proofs for TEAM-UP "around" this weekend. When I have more
information, I'll make it known."

Many thanks to Mr Kenson for keeping us ICONS fans informed.

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Curt Meyer <curtmeyer@...> wrote:
>
> So September is tomorrow. Any word on Team-Up.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

http://tinyurl.com/9bde8x2

On the latest BAMF Podcast:

Joe Bardales is on hand to give us a preview of the neighborhood that's he's
written for Stark City, The Catacombs.

We've got a little over two weeks left on the Kickstarter for Stark City.  Now's
a great time to jump onboard

http://tinyurl.com/9bde8x2

--- In icons-rpg@yahoogroups.com, Walt Robillard <kroh01@...> wrote:
>
> The amount of talent on this project is insane.  If you haven't been to the
> kickstarter site and are a fan of the group it pays to check it out.  Plus
> there have been free unlockables along the way
>
> http://www.rpgnow.com/product/104466/Stark-City%3A-Hero-Turf-Profile-1
>
> http://www.rpgnow.com/product/104621/Stark-City%3A-Hero-Turf-Profile-2
>
> Check em out and spread the word!
> Regards,
> Walt
>