OOC Seminar: Canon
RL Date: July 6th, 2004
Topic:
*IC Opinions and behavior
*Understanding IC Consequences for IC actions
*general public opinion vs. the opinion of your character
(aka, the mass media and you)
*Taking into account the Books' point of view

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You say "Okay! So, let's get started. This seminar is going to be more of a
discussion seminar after a short introduction."

Viviane there's something about Snape, Voldemort and puppets

Tengu says "Thanks alot, Viviane. Messing with my connection. :)"

You say "Basically: the sort of characters people make on a game like this are
not necessarily going to be representative of wizarding society as a whole.
There is a tendency to skew towards characters who are good or represent the
'right' attitude. This is all right, but we've had some comments lately that
characters seem to be adopting attitudes more in line with their players
than what their IC experience should really have led them to have. So what
we'd like to do is give people a chance to talk about and really think about
what their character believes, why they believe it, how they behave, and why
they behave that way."

You say "This can also extend to what your character knows and does not know:
about muggle culture, about other characters (specifically FCs), and things
like that. Yes, Vivi?"

Viviane says "I am not sure what you mean by comments. I suppose my immediate
thought, as a self reflective person, is is it me? What sorts of things are
being commented on? I don't really get the gist."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll says "I'd guess that one of the issues is
things like OOC behaviors. Like the mugglish expectation on the part of
inexperienced players, that students should be able to criticise or question
teachers without repercussions."

Lucius nods in /vehiment/ agreement with Voldie-Doll.

Valeria nods agreement with VoldiePlush.

Vanya pokes the plushie and hees. "But yes, I agree."

You say "This isn't a session to yell at people. But yes, the near constant
surprise of people when they receive IC punishment for IC insubordination
and poor behavior is one of the things."

Viviane always expects repercussions :)

Lucius says "I think some people think that British boarding schools are like
American high schools, and they just aren't. Apples to oranges. People do
/not/ snark off to teachers in British boarding schools, you know? When
Harry does it to Snape in PoA, it's very, very shocking."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll squeaks dollishly at Vanya's poke, then gives
her the hairy rhinestone.

You say "We don't want cookie cutter characters or automatons. But on the
other hand, it's very tiring for people in positions of IC authority to have
to deal with characters who react in a fashion that seems... off."

Lucius nods in agreement with Pixie. Covers his mouth with his hand.

Tengu says "Also.. these teachers, parents, and basically any adult.. can use
magic against you. As a form of punishment or control or just because you've
annoyed them. That they /don't/ is most of the time only because they're
trying to be nice players."

Thea nods and went through that the other day.

Cerberus says "Umbridge and the sentence writing, for instance. That's a
pretty nasty punishment."

Echidna says "Because it happens pretty frequently, now it's on the 'news char
popular' list, hopefully to guide new players away from such a concept."

Lucius nods.

Vanya says "Random comment - when these teachers do punish you, or if students
or other characters have a problem with you because of something you've done
as your character, it's IC, not OOC. You may be being true to your character
when you, for example, sass someone and lose a ton of House points. I'm
being true to mine when I get annoyed with you ICly."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll nods at Vanya. "Hear, hear!"

Echidna says "That's very true. It would be un-IC of most teachers to
sympathize at all with a disruptive student."

Lucius nodnodnods.

Lucius says "Can I say something along those lines?"

Draco says "Moody/Crouch may've gotten yelled at for transfiguring poor,
misunderstood Draco, but he didn't get fired for it."

Lucius nodnods.

You say "Students are not expected to be perfect. Getting in trouble is part
of the fun of the game. But you have to be prepared to accept the
consequences of your actions and realize that if you ICly protest or
continue to complain.. you'll be in more trouble. Yes, Lucius?"

Hermione says "... Speaking of trouble. ^.~"

Lucius says "Oh. I'm not sure there's still a segueway now, but here it goes:"

Timmy eyeshifts. Didn't do it.

Draco says "Segueway? Seguewayway way away.."

Thea wants a Segway. :D

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll sings "A-segueway, a-segueway, a-segueway,
a-segueway..." to the tune of Wimoweh.

Lucius says "To roughly quote one of my favorite actors, "Evil people don't
know that they are evil. Even Hitler smiled and laughed and played with kids
and his dogs and thought he was a brilliant man." Lucius doesn't run around
thinking, "MUHAHAHAHA! Look at me, I'm teh 3vi1!!11!!1""

Lucius says "Lucius thinks he's /right/."

Valeria says "Exactament. The Chronicles is comedy, not psychological insight."

Draco shakes his head. Parents. So delusional.

Lucius says "I hear the word 'evil' being thrown around a lot as an insult, as
if the events that Lucius has unleashed on the wizarding world as of late is
him being teh evil for the sake of evil."

Echidna giggles at the plushie.

Thea laughs.

Hayden hides from Lucius's netspeak. 3vil. Cringe. :p

Lucius says "And it's not. He thinks he's right. Um, the end. Thank you. :)"

Thea claps for Lucius.

Lucius baps Hayden with the Cane.

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll golf-claps. "A spark off the ol' AK."

Hayden snorts and goes off to mope in a corner. Perhaps she should get herself
one of those.

Ariadne says "At least it isn't newspeak! Wait...."

Tengu says "They're all the rage amongst werewolves."

Hermione says "And, of course, to an extent there are going to be people who
harbor such "evil git" feelings with respect to the Honorable Mr. Malfoy.
^.^ To the same extent, though, there are (and should be) plenty of people
who think his ideas are grand."

Viviane says "Well "evil" covers a lot of ground for people. I don't think
it's wrong for people to look at the Ministry and feel there is something
corrupt, agenda minded, malicious, or unfair going on.""

Vanya says "That's a good point. We may OOCly know Lucius is evil from what
we've seen in the books, but the average Hogwarts student won't know that.
They probably won't even know that he was suspected of being a DE and got
off by reason of Imperius. They may not /like/ him, for their own reasons or
because they've picked up on the fact that their parents don't like him, but
the bulk of the population probably thinks, "Oh, Minister Malfoy. Yeah, this
scarf thing is annoying. On to the next item of day to day living...""

Echidna nods to Hermione. "And those may not be the people you'd expect,
either. Many people from Houses besides Slytherin probably see the merits of
the things he does."

Ariadne says "But I don't think everyone should think that way Vivi. I think
more people should not suspect than should suspect. They have no reason to
think he is so 'evil' yet."

Lucius nods in agreement with both Ariadne and Viviane.

Tengu says "There are also many shades of grey. You may agree with some of the
things the Ministry has done and not others."

Lucius says "The world isn't black or white...GMTA, Tengu."

Hayden thinks that unleashing an old ranting toad on the poor defenseless
students of Hogwarts is malicious. Not necessarily evil, but definitely
malicious.

Pixie nods. Many people may think this was a bit extreme, but be willing to go
along with it in the interests of security.

Viviane says "well I think the corruption is glaringly obvious."

You say "And many may think it wasn't far enough. They didn't actually expell
all the muggleborns."

You say "How so, Viviane?"

Draco says "Things are never bad until they affect you personally. :)"

Hermione says "And even those who do agree - or disagree - may not necessarily
be vocal about it, save in specific circumstances."

Vanya says "Vanya thinks that only muggleborns should be made to wear
identifying marks. :) Because she's sensitive about her own bloodlines,
hates light blue, but thinks that after the assorted incidents in the paper
something ought to be done."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll says "Lucius is the Wizarding equivalent to the
PM, for godsakes. There isn't a kid out there who would walk up to the PM
and mouth off. And if they were braindamaged enough to try it, the
Ministerial heavies would be on top of him like flies on crap."

Lucius nodnods at the Doll. (Seventeenth?) *ducks*

Hermione says "Heck, even Hermione would need to hex someone for mouthing off
in front of Malfoy. Even if she'd probably agree with whatever was said."

Viviane says "The tone of the various reports that have coming out in the
paper and the political spin is obvious. As a student who was accused of
trying to kill half the school and seeing it appear in print without any
sort of an investigation or even a scene where I was questioned, it makes me
feel it obvious that there is something underhanded going on. The report
points to data that seem impossible to verify. I am surprised people on the
street aren't more outraged."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll AKs Lucius. Pity the only thing that comes out
the end of his wand is a shower of green glitter.

Thea nods at Vanya. "Thea suffers from Hufflepuff fairness and roots for the
underdog, so she doesn't want Muggleborns treated /badly/ and she thinks
identifying everyone is rather silly, but she doesn't really oppose either
measure."

Valeria shrugs. "Personally, I agree with Vanya's point. It's all about the
separation of ic knowledge and ooc knowledge. We're all here because we love
the books enough to want to play a character in Aunt Jo's world. But a lot
of people think that Dubya and his staff are corrupt and following their own
agenda...it doesn't necessarily mean that they think them evil."

Lucius says "Yes, but the tone of the various edicts in OotP (which, granted,
is not canon, but /is/ JKR) is very obvious as well, and people agree with
it."

Lucius belatedly snickers at Voldie Doll.

Valeria oohs...glitter!

Thea likes Plushie V if he produces glitter. :D

Hermione waits to click on the pentacle from when Lucy AK's back, so she can
hex Ron. ^.^ Ahem - yeah.

Timmy says "How many people on the street these days check any of the facts in
a newspaper? I mean, if a guy can fake writing reports from Iraq for the NY
Times for six months, it seems to me that its slightly possible people might
just buy whatever is printed in the paper. *eyeshifts* Just my take on it.
Though my own characters run the whole spectrum on this issue."

You say "Reports from the government are always going to be spun. The media is
not unbiased, because they are still human. Also, Viviane -- so Vivi was
mentioned in the paper. How many people in the world know Viviane? Not that
many. People will not be outraged because they have only the news report to
go on."

If Ari notices anything it's usually due to her overly paranoid girlfriend.
They don't really come to her of her own merit mainly because she tends to
give people the benefit of the doubt. She just wants to wear green because
it is her favorite color. ;)

Vanya says "How many people really disbelieve what they read in the paper? The
average person, when confronted with, say, that article from a while back on
how wizard-muggle marriages don't work out, would look at all the charts and
data and skim through it until they get to the point."

You say "Now, Viviane is obviously upset by it, and that is fine. She may even
be shocked and surprised by the fact that other people don't agree with her.
But ICly, they really shouldn't."

Hermione says "Seriously speaking, people really should have a good,
individual reason to react to such things. Obviously, Hermione's had one for
a while. So to now does Vivi. There's lots of reasons why someone might
react negatively to the goings-on, but (and correct me if I'm wrong or
imprecise) the point is that we don't want people simply reacting without at
least thinking out one of these reasons."

Valeria says "As far as the neckerchiefs go, Val just wishes she was seventeen
so that she could wear the pin instead, because the neckerchief makes her
feel like a Girl Guide. But historically speaking, until people get slapped
with something right in their faces and it makes their lives difficult, they
tend to be nonreactive."

Viviane says "I don't know. I think a lot about what I read and ponder the
reliability/author's intent all the time."

Echidna says "Not everyone does, though."

Vanya says "But would the average student/adult? I personally don't often
bother to read the paper IRL. I think it's depressing, so I stick to the
comics. :)"

Viviane says "I suppose not. Another Hitler quite, "How fortunate for us that
men do not think.""

Lucius says "The average kid, moreover. 12-14."

You say "Well, you need to remember that the population who MUSHes is
self-selecting. They tend to skew toward literate types, who usually /are/
like that. But not everyone in the world does. People are easily
propagandized."

Timmy nods. "Very easily propagandized."

Ariadne says "Good point Pixie."

Hayden says "I took Viv's last comment as reference to Viv-the-character, not
Viv-the-player and in the same sort of situation, I think Hayden would
probably feel the same way. Although, one would think that if they were a
parent reading the article concerning Viviane, they would be banging on the
govenor's doors in an effort to get her removed from school before something
happens to my child."

Vanya says "So if someone I trust tells me something they read in the paper,
I'm probably going to believe them unless someone gives me a really good
reason not to."

Thea noddles.

Tengu says "I think someone hit on this already, but it's not just a matter of
what your character thinks.. it's who they're saying it to, where they're
saying it, and how they're saying it. Some people should not be badmouthing
the Minister. Not if they want to keep their jobs. :)"

Viviane honestly Lucius, "I did but then again I come from a family of
educators and law enforcement/lawyers

Timmy eyeshifts.

Hermione says "Indeedy, Tengu. Even paranoid Aurors (and at least one trainee)
who have big opinions on the matter are keeping their lips zipped as much as
they can about the Minister."

Thea nods at Hayden. "That's a good point, too, and I think ties into what
Tengu is saying. If your character has children, or lives near the
school--that's all going to affect what they think, too."

Tengu says "Not just losing their job, but anyone could become targets (of the
media if nothing else)."

Viviane says "Hey I'm for that line of rp. if it goes there, that's fine with
me. In fact, I'd prefer it, because then people would actually be reacting
to the paper."

Ariadne paints a big white and red target on herself and starts to run around
aimlessly. :)

Lucius says "Ooh. Target practice."

Thea giggles.

Valeria chuckles.

Hayden flinks chocolate chips at Ari's target.

Ariadne beams like an idiot and slips on a chocolate chip. "Ow."

Viviane says "I just don't think people accept such controversial data without
a raised brow. If, for example, the rl paper reported that African American
children were less restrained, pooer in academics, unable to cope or
conform, tried to kill people, and needed to wear scarves to show their
bloodline, I think people would react with absolute outrage."

Vanya says "Actually, I think a lot of people would believe it."

Thea nods.

Timmy says "So...if they reported like they did in the 1930-50s?"

Vanya says "Happened in my area a while ago. The NAACP went up in flames, but
no one else really cared."

Ivy says "Unfortunately, I think with the right propaganda, many people would
believe just that."

Viviane says "Maybe they would want to believe it because it secures their own
position in society."

Ariadne points out, "That the wizarding populace is a different society,
different environment. I think that in itself says something."

Thea says "Especially in the current American political climate...if you think
about it, we can't say those sorts of things about different races,
religions, etc. anymore...so the new American scapegoat is the obese person.
I'm serious. o_o"

Pixie nods. Wizards are /far/ more segregated from muggles than people of
various races are today. There's not a very close RL parallel to it in the
modern day US.

Thea noddles at Pixie.

Draco says "These are the same people who keep house elves as slaves."

Hermione mutters at Draco on principle. ^.^

Draco says "We'd be better off with trained monkeys. I swear."

Viviane says "I never once got the sense in the books that the pureblood
ideology was gaining in popularity. I got the sense it was an outdated idea
and people were fearful of those who worked secretively on that agenda."

Ariadne cheers for generations of subservient guilt free service. Ahem.

Thea snickers.

Lucius belatedly Wordy McWord of the Clan Word's Thea's comment.

Timmy says "The closest I could come up with, if we were to make a historical
parallel would have to be from 1948-1991 in South Africa. Where you had to
have pass cards to go from a 'black' district to a white one to work and so
on, but even apartheid didn't have the secrecy element that wizarding
society has. Muggles, to some wizarding types, are just a word, they've
quite probably never MET a real muggle, just a muggle born with their
nonsense about horseless carriages. As if. *coughs, sits down quietly*"

Draco says "Ah.. but how easy is it to point to Voldemort and say 'Look what a
halfblood heritage does to a person'."

Thea words!

Vanya says "Lucius Malfoy wasn't Minister of Magic in the books. A muggleborn
hadn't recently stabbed a pureblood. There hadn't been a report from
Ministry officials about muggleborns being out of control."

Lucius says "But you know what, Viviane? You get the books from /Harry's/
point of view."

Aonghus says "Amen to that."

Ariadne points to herself. Look what a quarter does.

Aonghus says "And that's an important point to remember."

Lucius says "Harry is the good guy. Of course things are going to look like
they're skewed toward the battle against the darkness."

Tengu says "Wizards have cars. The only horseless carriages are the ones at
Hogwarts. ;)"

Vanya says "People /like/ having someone to blame. And muggles and muggleborns
are just different enough that they make an easy target."

You say "The books are very much Harry's POV. We get next to no vision of what
motivates the purebloods or how the greater wizarding society views
everything. We get snatches -- the Weasleys egregious ignorance of anything
muggle in spite of them being 'okay' with muggle things; Rita Skeeter's
insane articles and how everyone believed them implicitly; the reaction to
Lupin; Fudge's stubbornness."

Aonghus says "What I get from the books is that it's a rather mixed bag as far
as the pureblood superiority complex. The Malfoys are obviously very
pro-Pureblood, along with the Blacks, and then there are the Weasley's
who're looked upon as almost traitorous. There aren't really that many
examples in the book to go by when we talk about this sort of thing, either."

Viviane says "I suppose. But, I would think if the purebloods were so superior
it would be reflected in their abilities."

You say "But the facts are that Fudge is Minister in the books. People like
him enough to have him there, or are apathetic enough not to vote him out.
Lucius is a highly respected member of society."

Thea nods at Aonghus. "The question is complicated, and so I think it's all
right to have carefully thought-out, complicated IC views of things."

Tengu says "Take Draco's comments on Muggleborns compared to HAgrid's comments
on Muggleborns. Now which do you think represents the society as a whole? A
child from an old and respected family's or a half-giant's?"

Penelope blushes at her inactivity timeout. She's paying attention!

Viviane says "Tengu, I would think the truth would come out in the pudding and
frankly, the purebloods may have their position and relative power and
wealth, but nowhere does it demonstrate a stronger ability in magic."

Aonghus says "That would probably depend on the composition of society, no?"

Ariadne says "Yeah...Surre Penny."

Malcolm arrives from the nexus.

Malcolm has arrived.

Vanya says "No one is saying they have a stronger magical ability, though."

Tengu says "No one.. what Vanya said."

Viviane says "or better or smarter, or more worthy"

Malcolm sneaks in.

Bethany slides on it

Tengu says "Right now they're just saying they're better-adjusted and happier."

Vanya says "No one is saying that either, except the purebloods themselves."

Valeria says "Personally, I don't believe that the purebloods are any better
than the muggle-borns, oocly, any more than the aristocracy were better than
the commoners historically. The aristocracy were just more priveledged. They
may /believe/ that they are better, and have all sorts of pseudo-facts to
back it up, and lord knows that Valie has enough of that attitude. Yeah,
what Vanya said. It's just what they believe."

Ariadne says "But they would definitely have more political pull I think Viv."

Aonghus says "We could get hit wizards to dress up as Scottish Sidhe and steal
magical children at birth."

Timmy says "Welll...the more worthy is the question. The purebloods think
they're obviously more worthy to be in controll of the wizarding world,
because they've BEEN there the longest."

Aonghus says "That's my solution to maladjustment."

Bethany says "Aren't purebloods a distinct minority?"

Thea laughs at Aonghus!

Valeria snorts.

Vanya says "Define pure, Bethany."

Lucius says "I know that most of us here are bloomin' Yanks, so look at the
Yankee model: in this country, more money = more power. The rich are a
minority, but a vocal minority."

Vanya says "There are more purebloods than muggleborns. Muggleborns are rare."

Hermione says "A vocal and *powerful* minority."

Valeria says "And they run the works."

Valeria says "The rich do."

Lucius nodnods at Hermione and Val.

Aonghus says "Also, consider that Wizarding society separated from the Muggle
sort in the 1600's."

Malcolm says "2 percent of the American population controls 80 percent of the
wealth is the statistic, if I remember correctly."

Aonghus says "So Wizarding views are probably going to be a little more
medieval."

Viviane says "I think the more worthy is the key. I think that is definately
reflected in the books."

You say "Anything Hagrid says in the books is about twice as suspect as
something anyone else says. Just keep that in mind. He is not reliable. :)"

Vanya says "Remember that our PC population does not necessarily reflect the
population as a whole. And yeah, Malcolm, we learned that in sociology. :)"

Vanya nods to Aonghus. "Wizards are also going to remember Muggles as the
people who tried to kill them all. Not nice."

Ariadne says "That is what the book promotes as the proper view, but not as
the popular."

Malcolm yays! I remember!

Lucius nodnods.

Thea nods at Ariadene.

Thea mangles her name.

Rebecca arrives from the nexus.

Rebecca has arrived.

Ariadne says "No kidding. Hmmph."

Ariadne tosses one of her chocolate chips at Thea and runs away hee heeing.

Echidna says "Also keep in mind that the Prophet is a pretty pro-Ministry
newspaper. Some of the things it might state in its articles can get a bit
sycophantic."

Echidna apologizes if her comments come 'way after the topic being discussed;
my connection is badly lagged.

Thea is smacked in the back of the head. Ows!

Aonghus says "I mean personally, when I first read of the plot I got a knot in
my stomach, but that's just me."

Viviane says "However, you do have to consider the generations of people who
are currently and who have gone through schooling at Hogwarts. These people
have spent years together in Houses, acting as a group, living in dorms,
eventually getting jobs, falling in love, getting married, working with each
other. I think it's hard at this point to expect no resistance to the
delineations.""

Rebecca says "been watching from afar. Just a note. Non-jewish Blondes with
blue eyes were no smarter, faster, stronger, better, or more worthy than
anyone else. But Adolf Hitler convinced a government and a military they
were, and it was enough to get them to go to war with the rest of the world
over."

You say "The Fox News of the wizarding world. :)"

Lucius says "Believe me, Aonghus, I feel the same way. ^^"

Valeria says "Touche, Pix."

Vanya nodnods to Rebecca.

Ariadne hee hees.

Lucius nodnods at Rebecca.

Bethany says "After lots of work Rebecca."

Timmy snorts, "The Prophet has NOTHING on Fox News." ;)

Vanya says "As there has been work occuring here."

Thea snickers at Timmy.

Lucius says "Not really. Timmy the History Buff can correct me on this one,
but Germany was reeling from WWI and it was very easy for the Nazis to gain
power in an absense of national pride."

Echidna snickers at Pixie.

Valeria says "And yes, I agree with Gus and Luci. But I also thought that it
might be an object lesson of sorts...this sort of stuff can and does still
happen when humanity is at its worst.""

Aonghus says "It was, yes."

Lucius says "England is still recovering from Voldemort running about/"

Tengu says "To come back to some of what Pixie said in the beginning.. I do
think there's a tendency to want your character to be right. It's hard to
have them come off as stupid, ignorant, prejudice, or something like that,
but sometimes that's what's IC. And it can make for interesting and also
amusing scenes. If you don't rein in that tendency to want to be right, then
you can start coming off OOC. Like a pureblood spouting knowledge of Muggle
culture with the flimsiest of excuses to do so. 'Oh I read a book.'"

Aonghus says "That was, in fact, the prime reason that Hitler was able to take
as much power as he did. The Germans were absolutely humiliated at
Versailles."

Hayden snorts. "You know though, not all purebloods are bent against muggles
and/or non-humans. Meghan Baine, for example, was willing to be disowned by
her family because she though the way the Minister was going about things
was pushing a little too hard and a little too fast. On the same token,
those people like Malfoy who aren't so easy going about muggleborns and
muggles have years and years of their families being raised a certain way
and they are only trying to protect what they've known all this time as
their world. Think of it this way: if you grew up in a society that had kept
the same traditions and done the same things for as long as history has been
recorded, would you be so willing to allow people to come in and suddenly
start changing things around on you?

Hermione says "Right. That's my excuse. (following up to Tengu)"

Pixie snickers.

Lucius nodnods at Tengu. I've noticed some people doing that: Purebloods that
seem to know a lot about Muggle culture for no reason at all.

Aonghus says "Muggle Studies at Hogwarts only goes so far."

Ariadne pokes Hermy, "Can I have access to your library so I can spout tons of
useless things...I mean pretty please?"

Valeria snorts

Lucius always has to do an internal check when posing about something
Mugglish, to remember that Lucius knows so very little about Muggle culture.

Aurora arrives from the nexus.

Aurora has arrived.

Thea nod at Lucius and Tengu. Both of my characters know a bit--it's good to
be reminded to 'underassume' in those situations.

Aonghus says "It's really not a very informative class. I figure by the time
you're done with it you'll know something about a plug and electricity."

Ariadne just pretends ignorance a lot of the time.

Pixie nods. Remember, wizards have their /own/ culture. They don't need to
fill gaps in their experience with muggle stuff. They have books, plays,
music.

Ariadne says "Well not pretending."

Timmy smirks, "My chars usually come off as stupid for some reason..." ;)
Ummm..and...kinda. Like I said, I think the more approrpiate connection to
make is more South African Apartheid. They were all about labelling and
defining. In Germany a Jew was a Jew. In South Africa you got Whites,
Coloreds, Indians, and Blacks all with different rights and the like, and
this was simply institutionalized racism, much like what the Ministry is
instituting at the moment.

Ariadne laughs and snorts at Timmy. "Kinda..."

Viviane says "I'm telling you, Brave New World. read it."

Aurora thinks this is a bit different from BNW

Ariadne says "Fav book. Woo hoo! Along with 1984."

Vanya says "Did, a few years back. Good book. :)"

Timmy snorts, "Germans into Nazis" Read it.

Aonghus says "Right now Apartheid seems the most likely historical example,
but I think that Nazi Germany is a little more "recent" in most people's
minds due to the sheer amount of exposure it has."

Thea says "1984 scared the crap out of me."

Lucius coughsreadmybookcoughCOUGH.

Ariadne says "Intrigued me."

Malcolm says "Never get the books-on-tape version of Brave New World. *cringe*"

Ariadne says "It isn't a shameless plug if you don't say /what/ book it is
Lucius."

Pixie nods. I know people are drawing a lot of Nazi parallels with this. It is
expected. But try to keep in mind the differences and that most wizards
aren't going to be experts on what happened during the muggle war. They had
their own issues at the time.

Lucius says "It's unpublished. But race is a /huge/ issue in this society, so
much that a biracial child doesn't fit in because there's no little box to
compartmentalize them."

Aonghus says "I imagine they'd know a little something of what went on during
WWII."

Timmy nods, "That whole 'Grindenwald' thing that I want JKR to write about."

Lucius nodnodNODS at Timmah.

Hermione says "Hear hear."

Viviane says "All I can say is I am sorry if my character has appeared to be
too outraged. If I am doing something you don't like in rp just let me know.
I promise to really think it over."

Valeria nods emphatically at Lucius. "I know. I have a biracial niece."

Vanya says "I don't think anyone has a problem with Vivi being outraged. :)
Just don't expect everyone else to be as well."

Lucius says "Oh, I was referring to my book, Valeria, when saying 'this'
society."

Hayden says "Thank you, Lucius. Aonghus. I've been trying to argue that point
with people for years. I was speaking with some just recently and she said
the only two wars she thought should have happened were the US Civil War and
WWII and I told her WWII /never/ should have happened because the allies
never should have done what they did at Versailles. The allies literally
paved the way for Hitler by trashing the German economy and leaving them the
way they did. Vengance can be evil, too, and foresight is your friend."

Aonghus says "Amen to that, Hayden."

Aonghus says "History is a funny thing."

Timmy eyes, decides not to spam. ;)

Valeria shrugs. "Well, no matter. I think its true sometimes for modern
society as we know it."

Hermione says "I don't think the point of this meeting is to really single out
any one person doing anything wrong. I think it's more a reminder for people
to look at your characters in more detail and make sure that there's a valid
reason for reacting in certain ways. Whether playing FCs or not, there's
still theme to consider."

Timmy sighs, puts Lucy's book down as something to read. "Damn you people
writing books in my general field of interest." ;p

Lucius grins at Timmy.

Ariadne ahems and sets up a huge mirror in front of herself for meInspection
time.

Aonghus says "I would posit that, given the dearth of information we actually
_have_ on the class issue as a whole, it's probably okay to be mildly vexed
about having to wear a coloured bauble to denote class."

Tengu says "Also.. if characters try to poitn to WW2 or other /Muggle/ things
as examples of why what's going on is a bad thing.. it's not going to win
you many points with the purebloods. :)"

Timmy knows its going to be difficult to play Timmy as someone who is going to
go along with this. He may have a question or two about why his friends have
to wear whatever color, but, really he has no real reason to detest the
ministry's decision on this.

Aonghus says "Aonghus, for instance, has mostly kevetched about the Ministry's
abominable eye for fashion."

Thea adores Aonghus.

Vanya nods at Aonghus. "Vanya's been whining about the light blue. She hates
pastels." :)

Hermione grins.

Malcolm says "As will many, despite the fashion article. >P"

Valeria chuckles.

Aonghus says "That article was a bald faced lie, Arr!"

Pixie snickers.

Timmy notes, "Just shrink your brooch down to cufflink size. Its perfectly
fashionable to have..only...one cufflink...yeah." ;)

Bethany says "Wouldn't wizards have been affected by ww2 as well?"

Ariadne starts visiting with herself. "There is no way to wear a neckerchief
stylishly. I don't care /what/ they say!" ;)

Thea says "Mismatched cufflinks!"

Valeria nods to Ari. "Girl Guides, I'm tellin' ya."

Aonghus says "Well, I'd be keen on the ministry deciding on something a bit
more mundane, like a passport."

Valeria has disconnected.

Aonghus says "Not like a Muggle passport, mind you."

Vanya says "They had their own problems, Bethany. :) Grindelwald."

You say "Bethany, wizards were dealing with Grindlewald at the time of WW2.
They don't exist as far as the muggles know, so none of them fought in the
muggle war. There would have been some contact, but not much."

Timmy says "Not really. I mean, Wizarding London probably might have been hit
during the Blitz, but that's about it for them, but they did have a problem
with a German wizard by the name of Grindenwald who was defeated
(coincidentally enough) in 1945."

Thea soaks up useful information.

Aonghus says "The Muggle world doesn't really seem to have much effect on the
Wizarding world when we look at the big picture."

You say "I'm not sure about wizarding London being hit or not. It mustn't be
visible from above, or else the muggles would see it and wonder what the
heck it was. So I think it's likely their bombs can't find it either. But
that's not an official statement. :)"

Ariadne loves those types of coincident. Hee hee. They are always so
convenient in terms of parallelism.

Lucius says "Actually, if wiz London is where I think it is, it would have,
most definately. I've been to what's left of the ruins."

Viviane says "I think people who speak out publicly should be getting arrested
for "subversive ideas""

Lucius says "The old city walls are still there in part. (Get off at the
Barbican Tube Station.)"

Ariadne says "Ooh, wouldn't that strain the wizarding populace's pocketbooks."

Timmy chuckles, "See..I can believe that, but the Blitz was pretty
indiscriminate in its bombing. The Germans hadn't even perfected the
American system of 'precision' bombing (which was to cordon off square mile
sections of a town and hope most the bombs hit in that area), so, bombs may
have hit the ground there and blown up..but it probably wasn't intentional."

Tengu says "We know the wizards have shield spells. They may've been able to
protect the wizarding areas from bombs."

Aonghus says "How exactly is Wizarding London hidden? That's the big question,
which if answered will answer most of the rest."

Timmy says "Magically. ;)"

Thea rimshots.

Aonghus says "Duh."

Aonghus thumps Timmy with his wand.

Vanya says "So basically, try and catch yourself before your character says
something about Muggles or acts too outraged about the laws, and think
whether they've got a good reason to say it. I adore Penny OOCly, but Vanya
thought the story about the stabbing was the most interesting thing she'd
read all week and was gleefully speculating about it to whoever would
listen. :)"

Penelope blows kisses.

Aonghus says "Steak knife girl!"

Vanya starts singing Cell Block Tango again and snugs Penny. :)

Malcolm dies. Was /just/ going to say something about that.

Penelope says "My alts think Penelope's crazy, and I'm not.. y'know. Offending
myself."

Aonghus ponders giving Lucius a long list of suggestions, for Penelope's sake.
:P

Hermione says "This is one of the cases where FCs have it a bit easier than
everyone else - we can intuit fairly well how a FC might react to certain
situations."

Ariadne says "I should hope not Penny."

Lucius agrees with Hermie.

Malcolm writes a musical about Penelope. >P

Aonghus says "Definitely the case."

Penelope giggles.

Hayden says "WWII was just another leg up for purebloods in the figurative
battle between themselves and the muggles. I mean look what the do with
Muggle technology. Imagine what they'll do with /magic/."

Aonghus says "The rest of us don't have thousands of pages of text to give us
insight."

Draco says "I think another thing is.. the really /bad/ poitn of view still
can't be spoken publicly. Mudblood is still a bad term. Killing Muggles is
still wrong and illegal. We don't have free rein or reign yet. :)"

Lucius introduces the Wizarding World Wide Web.

Timmy says "We don't?"

Pixie watches all the little wizards start to download porn.

Ariadne says "Yeah. Still derogatory....*just waits for that time*"

Thea cracks up.

Lucius snickers.

Aonghus stables Lucius and bellows, "Muggle Sympathizer!"

Draco says "Naw.. Dad still needs to get reelected. He's not Emperor yet. :)"

Timmy eyes Pixie, "Stop watching me!"

Lucius poses, slides his hand into his coat.

Malcolm says "Something else to look forward to once you're 17! :D"

Ariadne makes notes, listening aptly to Draco.

Thea thinks of that vibrating Nimbus.

Viviane says "I think the best idea right now is to be reflective of our rp. I
also think it's ok to think there is something that just isn't right about
these reports and the agenda behind them. It's like the US govt and the
average citizen. We know things seem off, but are powerless to really find
out the truth and how to combat it."

Aonghus says "That was hillarious."

Malcolm dies, Thea.

Ariadne doesn't.

Hermione facepalms.

Timmy blinks.

Ariadne holds onto her halo...or rather the chain connected to it.

Aurora pushes everyone over while they're still in shock

Hayden thinks, "Personally, Hayden's just not big on rules... she's a wild
child and likes her freedom and open spaces. Her kercheif will end up tied
around her pony tail; no doubt."

Tengu says "I would love to hear Luna Lovegood's view on all of this."

Thea dimples.

Pixie nods. Wizard society split from the muggles /post/ Magna Carta. They do
have some expectation of basic freedoms, but so far as we know, they do not
have a constitution or even a system of checks and balances on their
government.

Lucius says "It's the Crumple-Horned Snorklacks!"

Ariadne says "Heh. Yeah. She would be interesting."

Viviane says "I wish we had a Luna."

You say "Someone app for Luna. :)"

Malcolm says "We need the Quibbler, yes."

Ariadne says "Yeah!"

Aonghus says "Heheh."

Tengu says "Because that's another element of wizard society that's not
adequately represented on the game. The eccentric and the raving looneys. :)"

Viviane says "The Howard Stern of the Wizard world. The smoking gun."

Ariadne says "Err. I have a question. The posts didn't seem to distinguish a
certain /way/ that these clothing items should be worn. Does that really
matter as long as they are visible?"

Malcolm says "Well, we do have Fychan."

Malcolm says "... boy, do we have Fychan."

Timmy lurves Fychan.

Hermione is speechless on the topic of Fychan.

Lucius misses Fychan.

Aonghus says "Fychan makes the Welsh look worse than they are."

Aonghus says "Poor Welsh."

Lucius pictures him wearing his purple scarf as a nappy.

You say "Right now, it hasn't been mandated, aside from the colors that will
become part of the HOgwarts uniform. But if it gets out of hand with people
wearing them weirdly, there will probably be guidelines issued."

Malcolm says "He makes emus look bad."

Timmy says "Stupid Welsh. They ought to just give up and learn English."

Penelope says "My underwear is green, though, I'm following the rule!"

Hayden inches out.

Ariadne noddles. "Thanks Pixie."

Timmy sends Stevens to *is footed*

Hermione coughs.

Penelope shrugs innocently?

Aonghus says "Welsh is a great language."

Malcolm resists impulse to give Penelope a wedgie. It's not gentlemanly.

Aonghus says "I wish more people would learn Irish though."

Lucius oohs. Irish.

Ariadne says "Greeeen underwear...."

Timmy says "If you like talking to yourself, sure."

Thea laughs!

Malcolm says "Yes, that's the Timmy we all know and. Know."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll says "Biblically."

Gray Undies

Aonghus says "Haha."

Vanya has heard a lot of people talking about how the law doesn't specify
wearing the item where it can be seen. I think people should keep in mind
that if a Ministry official can't see it right away, they aren't going to be
happy. Same goes for people wearing more than one color.

Timmy blows kisses at Voldie, "You said you wouldn't mention that in public!"

Aonghus says "Yep."

Aonghus says "Unfortunately it wasn't as detailed as a real law, so folks like
Aonghus can't really nitpick."

Viviane Can i ask a question?

Aonghus mutters darkly.

Aonghus says "So, Lucius, can we ban Muggle clothes next?"

Draco says "NO!"

Timmy says "Do it. Do it now."

Thea says "NO!!"

Lucius snickers.

Aonghus says "Call it the Defence of Culture Act?"

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll says "Yesssssss!"

Lucius likes trousers, actuallu.

Timmy says "Ban books too."

Thea says "If you want me, I'll be hording."

Draco slinks off, muttering something about leather.

Timmy says "Books suck and they make my head hurt."

Viviane says "What's the goal right now Would you like people to comply with
the regulations for awhile and see where it goes? maybe have a few arrests,
some voiced opinions, but still have the majority of people not want to rock
the boat? I think if people understood the intention of the Mush's theme
right now, they would comply."

Hermione hexes Timmy on principle for that last one.

Aonghus says "Then we could put all the ickle students back into proper robes
and caps. :P"

Pansy slaps Draco upside his head.

Malcolm laughs.

Timmy owws at Hermione, "Extra laps for you this week." :P

Aonghus says "We've got until IC 31 July, right?"

Chimaera says "I think what people should do right now is respond as they ICly
would. :)"

Aurora says "What do you mean, Viviane?"

Lucius says "But know what is true IC for your character."

You say "Right. The edict doesn't go into force until the 31st."

Cerberus says "Just have a good idea of what your IC response is."

Viviane says "I'll wear my scarf but not be happy about it."

Chimaera says "If your character would flout the law, go ahead. But remember
that there will be consequences."

Chimaera says "It's that pesky ICA=ICC rule again. :)"

Hermione says "Just be ready to deal with the ICC."

Ariadne eats the rule and gets indigestion.

Rebecca says "Grumbling about the law at a party with friends isn't the same
as doing it publically, correct? I mean, just because a scene is "on camera"
doesn't mean it's public knowledge?"

Aonghus says "Percy running around with a notepad..."

Aurora says "Isn't the first offense just a warning, though?"

Aonghus says "That's generally the way it goes, Rebecca."

Tengu says "Depends who your 'friends' are, Rebecca. :)"

Hermione says "Plus a fine for adults, possibly, or a warning to parents for
minors."

Thea says "Warnings are scary!"

Vanya says "I won't tell, Bex. :)"

Thea toes the ground.

Aonghus offers Thea whiskey. "It fixes everything."

Ariadne cowers from Molly, "No way Ari'll be getting a 'warning'"

Thea perks at Aonghus.

Rebecca says "oh, one small question. Does anyone remember if Tommy was
pureblood or mixed or muggleborn?"

Vanya says "He was Slytherin. He had to be at least half."

Aurora says "I think he was pureblood..."

Aonghus says "How are we defining mixed versus half?"

Tengu says "I don't think he was half."

Tengu says "You're half if you have one Muggle or Squib parent."

Aonghus says "Half would be one wizard and one muggle and mixed would be
having a muggle somewhere down the line?"

Tengu says "Harry is mixed."

Hermione says "Good - that's something I'll need to know."

Ariadne says "That clears things up."

Rebecca says "Thanks. He is one of the people behind Rebecca's belief that
incompentants and maniacs need to be controlled not bloodlines."

Bethany says "I imagine the mixed works the same way as the non-humans"

Tengu says "Harry is a maniac?"

Bethany says "Down to 1/8th"

Echidna says "if you had one Squib parent, though, that means there's other
wizarding ancestry behind that squib. I'd be tempted to say that person was
actually mixed."

Rebecca says "no, Tommy"

Aonghus says "Well"

Rebecca says "he who was thrown out of hogwarts for threatening professors and
students etc etc"

Aurora says "One of his alts might be able to give you details, Rebecca"

You say "That person could probably appeal the decision, Echi. It depends."

Aonghus says "A squib is still born form wizard parents."

Rebecca ahs. Indeed, he is pureblooded

Rebecca says "Thanks Pixie"

Aonghus says "So if it were a pureblood wizard and a squib from a pureblood
family (as unlikely as that is), it seems to me that the spawn would be
pure."

Echidna says "They'd be mixed, I believe."

Tengu says "I think half. ;)"

Viviane says "The squib would taint it"

Echidna laughs. "Well, I'm thinking back more than the immediate parental
generation."

Pixie nods. A squib is definitely not a wizard, so they couldn't be a
pureblood.

Tengu says "But as PIxie said, I think they'd be called Half and then could
appeal it and maybe get it changed to Mixed. Not Pure though."

Aonghus says "If the squib came from pure parents I can't see how they'd dub
the squib mixed, even if they'd shun it."

You say "They wouldn't dub the squib mixed, they'd dub it a squib, which has
its own category."

Chimaera says "There's a special color for squibs."

Aonghus says "Yes"

Timmy says "A squib isn't...yeah. What Pixie said."

Aonghus says "We were talking about children of squibs and a wizard, I
thought."

Tengu says "Well, flatly.. because we, the Admins and PLot Council, decided
what the Ministry uses. Not everyone has to agree with the Ministry's choice
on everything. It's all rather arbitrary anyway."

You say "Don't expect the hyper pureblooded families to find you acceptable
just because you got assigned purple. :)"

Aonghus says "Er?"

Cerberus says "Once in the books, the Weasleys mention a squib cousin of
theirs - in a whisper. That tells us a little about how squibs are
considered in the wizarding world."

Timmy says "Especially if your last name happens to be 'Weasley'."

Aonghus says "Now, I am completely and utterly lost."

Vanya flops on a beanbag. "Anyway, this seminar wasn't scheduled to argue
about the laws."

Ariadne says "Yeah. Like Allen would probably be lower than most since he
married a half Muggle, even if she has a pureblood mentality."

Ariadne says "Allen being Ari's pureblood father."

Pixie noddles. You can certainly taint yourself by association very easily.

Malcolm says "Malcolm is mixed because his mother is a Muggleborn witch, even
though his father is a Pureblood."

Viviane says "Look at that purple talking to that green"

Echidna says "One thing I do want to point out is that your color depends on
your heritage, not your spouse. So if a pureblood marries a muggle, he's
still technically pure."

Tengu says "Children could start out with the pure designation, wind up being
Squibs and being that now. And then get bitten by a werewolf and end up a
nonhuman. The colors aren't necessarily permanent. :)"

Echidna says "poor kid. :)"

Thea says "Yeah, I feel for them. o_o"

Aonghus says "that begs the question as to whether or not someone can find
themselves a squib."

Pixie nods. It's you and your direct line ancestors. Your brother or your
uncle has nothing to do with your assignment.

Viviane says "yeah maybe it will be discovered that I'm really Lucius' baby
girl :)"

Ariadne says all trance like, "I'm so glad to be a blue. I wouldn't ever want
to be a green or a purple. I'm happy where I am. Blues are the future..."

Hermione twitches.

Timmy twitches too, just because it looks fun.

Viviane says "Bbay Vivi, we thought she was a squib"

Vanya blinks at Aonghus. "No Hogwarts letter, you're a squib. But you wouldn't
know until they were eleven."

Aonghus says "Ah."

Malcolm grins at Ariadne.

Aonghus says "I read that wrong."

Aurora pokes Ari and snickers

Tengu says "That's the other thing, Viviane.. your color is what the Ministry
believes you to be. If you're really the illegitimate spawn of some Muggle..
they're not going to know. :)"

You say "Or of some wizard. Poor Dean. :)"

Viviane nods to Tengu and bounces on his lap, "Do you like my green scarf?"

Tengu says "Very chic. The Slytherins will be envious."

Ariadne grins mindlessly, "I've got my 'special' headphones on. Don't bother
me." Of course they are hooked directly into a verbal recording of Prophet
articles.

Aonghus says "You scared off Thea with those headphones!"

Ariadne takes off her headphones and dives into a bush.

Aurora wonders, "What's the reasoning for designating between mixed and
purebloods?

Tengu says "ICly or OOCly?"

Thea scoots and thanks people. :)

Thea heads to the nexus.

Thea has left.

Aonghus says "ICly there's a big reason to do it."

Aurora says "Both?"

Aonghus says "OOCly, I think they just want to unsettle my stomach. :P"

Viviane smiles at Aurora, "The better to push you down with my dear."

Tengu says "Do you mean /why/ do it or how are we doing it?"

Chimaera says "OOCly we do things that are necessary for IC events to occur.
:)"

Aurora says "Why"

Draco says "So I don't have to wear the same color as Potter. Obviously."

Aonghus cackles.

Malcolm points at Penelope! Muuurrrrderr!

Timmy nods. "Just think of how unbearable THAT would be."

Aurora says "OR...sorry, I'm being unclear. ICly, what is the Ministry saying
their reasoning is? Because I thought they were just worried about those who
were muggleborn and whatnot."

Tengu says "I think just because.. there's pure and then there's.. not quite
so pure.. but at least they're not half, basically. :)"

Ivy wriggles her way out of the bean bag chair, and waves quietly to the group.

Echidna says "It lets people know that /someone/ in that family has been
indiscrete. :)"

Ivy heads to the nexus.

Ivy has left.

Aonghus says "We should make Muggleborn's wear Ass's ears."

Lucius cackles.

Hermione waggles her wand at Aonghus. ^.^;

Aonghus says "</obscure reference, cookies to anyone who gets it>"

Aonghus says "Well, not so obscure."

Aurora says "Midsummer Night's Dream?"

Bethany says "Pinoccio? I wish I could spell"

You say "Aurora, they also didn't want to be seen to be singling out just the
muggleborns. If everyone has to wear it, then it's more fair."

Rebecca says "i'd guess it's because they feel someone with Muggle Blood might
exhibit Muggleborn tendencies (ie violence or unsettled behavior)"

Echidna says "That too, Rebecca."

Viviane says "gotta go. Night"

You say "Night, Viv."

Viviane has left.

Ariadne says "Seeya!"

Aurora says "I see"

Aonghus says "How common are muggle clothes and such amongst wizards in the
books?"

Aonghus finds it hard to get a decent picture.

Timmy says "Pretty rare."

Aonghus says "So choosing the movie uniform was more or less for ease of
reference?"

Timmy says "Look at the QWC. They're all dressed in a hodge podge of clothing
and colors that would get a second or third stare from most muggles."

You say "The books are pretty description lite. JKR has said that younger
wizards wear muggle clothing."

Hermione covers her mouth to prevent another fit of giggles involving clothing
and the QWC.

Aonghus ponders acid green and fuscia trews with a bright orange shirt.

Tengu says "'+info culture fashion' has our take on it."

You say "We picked the movie uniform because until book 5 it wasn't clear
whether or not they wore anything under the school robes. Now we know they
don't. :)"

Aonghus says "It's quite comfortable like that."

Timmy eyes Hermione.

Vanya whispers, "Freckles." to Hermione. Flees.

Aonghus says "But it's not socially acceptable for most of you to wear robes
in public today. :P"

Hermione falls over laughing. "I'll get you back later, Vanya."

Tengu says "What?"

Rebecca gouges her brain out from that comment Vanya

Aonghus says "Hm?"

Vanya smirks. "My work here is done." ;)

Timmy blinks innocent like.

Chimaera says "It's not socially acceptable for /who/ to wear robes?"

Aonghus says "Non ecclesiastics?"

Hermione says "IRL, you mean?"

Aonghus says "Yes."

Vanya says "Step into a theater the opening night/day of a HP movie. Robes
/galore/. :)"

Aonghus says "Those are crazy people with no lives. :P"

Timmy nods. "Or when a new book comes out.

Tengu says "Graduation ceremonies? :)"

Vanya says "Dude. Stop insulting me. :)"

Tengu says "Judges?"

Aonghus says "I said -most- not never."

Aonghus says "Try wearing your grad robe down the street tomorrow and see what
I mean."

Tengu has worn 3 different types of robes himself in his life. Not counting
costumes for performances.

Timmy snorts at Vanya, "You're a tespian, you're SUPPOSED to dress up for any
occasion. Going out to buy milk is enough reason sometimes."

Malcolm says "A 'congratulations on graduating,' most likely."

Ariadne says "Actually, done it. No big deal."

Chimaera says "In any case, real life != our game."

Aonghus says "Yes, it was a comment on clothes under robes."

Ariadne says "You're a thespian too Van?"

Vanya says "We are thespians! (Actually, we're just good friends)."

Ashton says "hello"

Lucius got honked at as he walked down the street for graduation. :D

Vanya is an amateur actress, yes. :)

Aonghus says "Heheh."

Timmy is a horrid ex-actor. But I know how you people think. :P

You say "And Aonghus, yes, people wearing robes are noted as weird by the sort
of people that the Dursleys are. Doesn't mean they couldn't wear one in
public. In any case, wizards don't need to be out mixing with muggles very
often."

Aonghus says "Yes, I think my comment was taken out of context."

Aonghus says "That's fine, just fine. </Cartman>"

Ashton says "restect my authori-tah"

Ashton says "respect*"

Rebecca has walked into Wal Mart in Full SCA Italian Renaissance garb before.
People looked at me like I was a lunatic

Malcolm ohgods. Look what the cat mauled about and dragged in. >P

Ariadne woo hoos! Theatre Arts major here.

Lucius ordered McDonalds dressed like a mime once.

Vanya loves walking around in RenFest gear. Little kids follow me around. So
do teenage boys, for very different reasons. :D

Stevens snerks.

Ashton says "hahaha"

Hermione has gone to get food while in full LARP gear, elf-ears and everything.

Ashton says "did you act like a mime too?"

Ariadne grins.

Echidna says "Maybe he used the picture menu."

Rebecca says "Oh the boys just followed me around when I went to work then to
my local comic shop on Halloween dressed as Poison Ivy from Batman. Not the
hideous Uma Thurman movie one. The comic book one."

Aonghus says "Elf ears are great."

Tengu says "That show Airline, I swear a Furry in costume wasin the airport
and they had no clue what he was. They tried to get him to say he was a
mascot or something, but he never admitted why he was wearing it."

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll AKs Stevens dollishly. Eat green glitter, you
auror type you.

Lucius pointed at things and made eating motions. "I was with a group of
mimes."

Malcolm cracks up at Lucius.

Stevens feels so low key here, "I've only gone out for pizza in makeup."
*apparates away from the glitter, hexes* "Damnit!"

Aurora notes that RenFest garb is appropriate for all occasions.

Ariadne says "My fellow actress met a professional mime on the bus and he
wouldn't stop talking about himself."

Vanya says "Hah. My brother played the god of water in 'Once On This Island',
went out to dinner afterwards with blue eyeshadow from nose to temples."

Cerberus has the Lord Vetinari take on mimes. :)

Chimaera says "Yay, Discworld. :)"

Aonghus says "Disc what?"

Ariadne says "Book."

Aurora <3's mimes

Ashton says "hmmm...what are we supposed to be doing here?"

Ariadne says "Discussing."

Chimaera says "Terry Pratchett is the author of the Discworld series. V. funny
books."

Stevens thinks we're supposed to be inciting riot. *eyeshifts* ;)

Ashton says "discussing anything?"

Ariadne says "And awesome for physics buffs too."

Malcolm says "You kind of missed most of the discussion, Ashton, but you can
ask questions about the new laws or something."

Ashton says "ahhh...ok"

Ariadne says "Or is that Ringworld. I'm always getting book names mixed up.
*rolls eyes and shrugs*"

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll says "Also awesome for Ptraci Lords buffs.
(buff buffs?)"

Ariadne chuckles.

Ashton says "buff?" and flexes his tiny muscles.

Malcolm wanders off, then. Night, all.

Ariadne says "Byeee."

Chimaera says "Ashton, we were discussing IC knowledge versus OOC knowledge
and the new laws, among other things. We're rather off topic now. :)"

Aurora says "This probably isn't relevant but...what if someone had no idea
who their father is and there are no records? Would they go just by the
mother, then?"

Ashton says "ah...hahaha"

Rebecca heads off to bed. Darn job-type thing.

Rebecca heads to the nexus.
Rebecca has left.

Vanya says "Night, Bex!"

Stevens waves at Rebecca.

Ashton says "thanx chimera"

Ashton says "er...chimaera*"

Life-size Plush Voldemort Doll says "There must be some way of determining
one's ancestors. How did Riddle discover he was Salazar's Heir?"

Vanya says "Sheer dumb luck? ;)"

Ashton says "family tree?"

You say "It sounded to me like his mom had left some information."

Stevens says "Who says he was? Maybe he's just misguided? And...the whole
'ability to talk to snakes'? ;)"

Aonghus says "Riddle was a half 'n half"

Aonghus says "Bwahahaha"

Ariadne says "By realizing he could open the chamber of secrets? Probably
wanted to do it whether he knew he could or not."

You say "Anyhow, to answer the question -- the mom would probably have to sign
something asserting her believe about the father. An affadavit. So she could
technically perjure herself, but that's not usually a wise idea when dealing
with wizard legal documents."

Aurora says "Ah...what if the mother was no longer living?"

Ashton says "for the new laws, does ashton have to wear the neckercheif if he
lives just outside of liverpool?"

Bethany says "You have to wear the neckerchief in public"

Aonghus says "Only in wizard areas."

Aonghus says "Not in muggle ones, IIRC."

You say "No, not in muggle ones."

Aonghus says "Diagon Alley and that sort of place."

Ashton says "ahhh...ok"

Aonghus says "Not at home, and not in Muggle UK."

Tengu says "AT home if you're hosting a large party or something though.
Because you've then made it public."

You say "Aurora, if such a case were to occur, they would deal with it on an
individual basis."

Bethany says "Or at school?"

Chimaera says "At school when you aren't in uniform."

Aurora nods to Pixie and winks, "Alright, I'll stop now."

Ashton says "i dont understand why these laws were made"

Draco says "You should've listened to the radio broadcast then. Was all very
clear. ;)"

Bethany says "To start rp."

Vanya edits her log faster. :)

Cerberus says "It was the llama conspiracy. :)"

Ariadne notes that you will still have to submit them faster too Van. ;)

Echidna says "squirrels made them do it."

Aonghus says "Vanya, do you have Perl installed?"

Vanya says "What?"

Aonghus says "Okay, obviously not."

Ariadne says "Perl scripts."

Ashton says "oh...i dont think i was here for the broadcast..."

Aonghus says "I was going to say if you had Perl installed you could use Alan
Schwartz's logedit"

Aonghus says "Quick work of most logs."

Hermione looks forward to seeing the broadcast log posted, since I couldn't
make it for most of the broadcast.

Tengu says "Editting a log for this game is more than just formatting."

Vanya says "Ah. Well, no. And I don't mind editing logs - provided I don't let
them get backed up. Which I've been good about lately."

Aonghus says "Which has nothing to do with logedit making the formatting justa
bit quicker, eh?"

Vanya says "I don't generally format them at all, really. Trim out OOCness,
any double poses, run through a spellcheck, and submit."

Aonghus says "Yep."

Pixie thinks Vanya's client puts in the doublespacing for her, so.

Aonghus says "Logedit just cuts that out with a keystroke. Handy tool."

Vanya says "Oh, yeah. It does. :)"

Aonghus says "It'll remove <OOC>, channels, doublespaces, etc."

Aonghus says "When I roleplayed profusely, it saved my poor fingers."

Vanya says "I love my SimpleMU. It doublespaces logs automatically. And I
don't really trust stuff like that anyway, Aonghus. :) Too easy for
something to go wrong."

Vanya says "Particularly since we have mp/h instead of <OOC>."

Aonghus says "It treats that like a channel."

You say "Yeah, but I think it'd treat that like a channel."

Ashton says "hahahahaha"

Aonghus says "I alias mp/h to ooc clientside anyhow."

You say "But then it would pull out any pose corrections that came through
that way, so you still have to read through it. :)"

Tengu just tries not to contaminate rp with channel spam in the first place. :)

Vanya says "Ah. Well, don't have it, so pointless argument anyway. :)"

You say "Anyhow! I think we're about done. People are welcome to stick around
and chat, but I'm going to end the official log."

Aonghus says "Games that do things in nonstandard ways get alias files very
quickly, so I don't hurt myself."

Echidna says "SimpleMU* will also remove channels if you tell it to."

Aonghus says "Yep"

Aonghus says "If I didn't believe Windows was Satan, I'd use Simple."

Ariadne splits. "Thank you!...You can also make it filter anything with
regular expressions, such as +watch broadcasts"

Aonghus says "It is a handy client."