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#49309 From: "Martyn" <martyn.dorey@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 5:48 pm
Subject: RE: HE Silver Helm horse necks
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To be honest I haven't looked at the ones I have since I got them, (over
a year ago or was it 2) however if memory serves me correctly looking at
pictures of HE horses in the fluff for WHFB it shows them without the
neck barding unless its for the Dragon Knights which are scaled barding,
I might be wrong but this is what I would probably go for.

Martyn.

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Subject: [gw-warmaster] HE Silver Helm horse necks



I'm painting my first HE cavalry.  Sometimes when you're painting
something this small, you need to understand what something is,
before you can do anything with it.  :)

Do you HE painters assume that the horse's neck is bare, or covered,
possibly by the same cloth (sorry, I can't remember what it is
called) that shows below the armor?

I looked at a bunch of pictures at the photo archive page, and I
think most people count it as cloth.  Some paint it white, but the
horses are white, too, so I can't tell.  The mane is showing above
it.  I might decide that this is the horse's neck, with its body and
legs covered by armor and cloth and head by the helmet.

I assume I could do it either way, and it will be clear whether it
is horse or covering depending on the color.

I was working on white last night, and started doing that covering.
But I probably should back up and do the horse itself first, as I
normally work from inside to out.

andy





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#49308 From: Colin Speirs <c.speirs@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: I need some figures, but where to go?
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:34:52 -0000, "batmantheconqueror"
<batmantheconqueror@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>Hello All,
>    I have been surfing the internet looking for some place that
>sells Warmaster figures, especially the new stuff.  It seems that
>most sites won't sell GW stuff anymore since some big stink was made
>in the summer of 2003 (I think that was the date given by some
>sites.)  Where is everyone finding the figures without directly
>ordering them from GW?
>

Have a look at alternates. Pendraken and Kallistra
(http://www.pendraken.co.uk and http://www.kallistra.co.uk) do 10mm
figs.

Pendraken do Historical figs that can double for some GW Fantasy, e,g
the Renaissance Poles can double for Kislevites. Landknecht types can do
for Empire

col
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#49307 From: "andyskinner.geo" <alists@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 2:52 pm
Subject: HE Silver Helm horse necks
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I'm painting my first HE cavalry.  Sometimes when you're painting
something this small, you need to understand what something is,
before you can do anything with it.  :)

Do you HE painters assume that the horse's neck is bare, or covered,
possibly by the same cloth (sorry, I can't remember what it is
called) that shows below the armor?

I looked at a bunch of pictures at the photo archive page, and I
think most people count it as cloth.  Some paint it white, but the
horses are white, too, so I can't tell.  The mane is showing above
it.  I might decide that this is the horse's neck, with its body and
legs covered by armor and cloth and head by the helmet.

I assume I could do it either way, and it will be clear whether it
is horse or covering depending on the color.

I was working on white last night, and started doing that covering.
But I probably should back up and do the horse itself first, as I
normally work from inside to out.

andy

#49306 From: "Dieter.Passchier@..." <Dieter.Passchier@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 11:14 am
Subject: AW: Re: I need some figures, but where to go?
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Hello!

As we are at it: I am looking for a strip of Dark Elves Cold One Knights as
I got a blister with two standards/champion strips. I used the excess
Standard for a character stand, but am short a strip to complete the
standard/champion stand. Alternatively I welcome any suggestions to model
this stand differently (to use it as a magic standard stand or somesuch). I
thought about the Dark Rider standard bearer from the charakter pack, but it
did not seem fitting to me. Also the General/Malus Darkblade charakter from
the charakter pack could be a substitution, but it doesn't "feel" right
either...


Thanks and take care,

Dieter


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "batmantheconqueror"
<batmantheconqueror@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>     I have been surfing the internet looking for some place that
> sells Warmaster figures, especially the new stuff.  It seems that
> most sites won't sell GW stuff anymore since some big stink was
made
> in the summer of 2003 (I think that was the date given by some
> sites.)  Where is everyone finding the figures without directly
> ordering them from GW?
>
> Thanks,
> TDK

Well, truth be told, I guess that there is actualy no places where
you can .......

Ebay will sometimes have nice deals, but that is either painted
armies, where you pay penny-11, and sometimes it has army-deals, but
I dont think I ever say any other then the base 6-packages....

If you are looking for specific minis, you might try here (mind that
you tag the message [TRADE], sometimes stuff seems to shift through
here, a lot of players sell of stuff and in here there is the biggest
chance of interested parties.

Now for the additional armies and alternative mini's, IIRC they have
always been MO/online only, so these have never made ' other '
traders in substantial amounts...

Gray Sage





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#49305 From: "Lex" <l.vanrooy@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 11:05 am
Subject: Re: I need some figures, but where to go?
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "batmantheconqueror"
<batmantheconqueror@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>     I have been surfing the internet looking for some place that
> sells Warmaster figures, especially the new stuff.  It seems that
> most sites won't sell GW stuff anymore since some big stink was
made
> in the summer of 2003 (I think that was the date given by some
> sites.)  Where is everyone finding the figures without directly
> ordering them from GW?
>
> Thanks,
> TDK

Well, truth be told, I guess that there is actualy no places where
you can .......

Ebay will sometimes have nice deals, but that is either painted
armies, where you pay penny-11, and sometimes it has army-deals, but
I dont think I ever say any other then the base 6-packages....

If you are looking for specific minis, you might try here (mind that
you tag the message [TRADE], sometimes stuff seems to shift through
here, a lot of players sell of stuff and in here there is the biggest
chance of interested parties.

Now for the additional armies and alternative mini's, IIRC they have
always been MO/online only, so these have never made ' other '
traders in substantial amounts...

Gray Sage

#49304 From: "ian" <zebb.edee@...>
Date: Thu Jan 6, 2005 11:20 pm
Subject: special moves summary sheet
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Players with more than half a dozen or so games under their belt can safely
ignore this...

As a beginner, one of the things I've found most confusing is the range
of special moves (making way, pursuits, advances, etc), especially as some
of these rules overlap, some are similar and some are completely different
from each other.

So I've cobbled together a summary sheet for my own purposes and, having done
so,
figured it might be useful to other newbies.

I've posted it in the files section (under rules).  Of course, if you spot
anything which is confusing, misleading or just plain wrong then please let
me know.

Ian

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#49303 From: "batmantheconqueror" <batmantheconqueror@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 5:34 am
Subject: I need some figures, but where to go?
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Hello All,
     I have been surfing the internet looking for some place that
sells Warmaster figures, especially the new stuff.  It seems that
most sites won't sell GW stuff anymore since some big stink was made
in the summer of 2003 (I think that was the date given by some
sites.)  Where is everyone finding the figures without directly
ordering them from GW?

Thanks,
TDK

#49302 From: "ian" <zebb.edee@...>
Date: Thu Jan 6, 2005 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [mordheim] FM7
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Ah so it's finally turned up.  I originally posted that message 36 hours
ago.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lex

>Hmmm ... you guys seems to warp in from a discussion on the Mordheim
>group .......

Yeah, Dieter asked if I could list the WM content so this seemed like the
sensible place for it.

>I assume you are now refering to the soon-to-be-released online mag ??

Word is that FM will published on paper up to and including FM10.  Then
it'll go online.

Like many others I've got concerns that, once it's online, deadlines &
article numbers will gradually begin to slip.  That said, I've recently
received an email from Andy Hall telling me that they're still interested in
submissions, so that at least bodes well.

Ian

#49301 From: <andrew.robertson@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 8:51 am
Subject: RE: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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Spells of course I know about but the cannon bounce i hadn't given
any thought to. It hasn't happend to me YET although I'm sure my
Empire opponent will try it someday.

- James

Hmmmmmmmm

Now there's a thought

Cheers,
James's Empire opponent

#49300 From: "jrkbarlow" <jamesrkbarlow@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 8:25 am
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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> If the unit the brigade has charged is in column, the handgunners
will
> not be able to target the supporting stands with shooting. The
> handgunners will only be able to shoot supporting stands if the
> supporting stands belong to a different unit. If this is the case,
> then the supporting unit will be automatically confused (and thus
> cease to support) if the direction of fire drives them into the unit
> in front of them that is in combat. Clear?

Perfectly!! And as I really thought the situation was, but
confirmation always helps!


> It should be noted that it IS possible to get shots onto units in
> combat (with cannon bounces and certain spells). If this occurs,
then
> the unit in combat does not roll for driveback or confusion, but
> carries the hits from the shooting phase into the combat phase.
Nasty
> tactic, actually.


Spells of course I know about but the cannon bounce i hadn't given
any thought to. It hasn't happend to me YET although I'm sure my
Empire opponent will try it someday.

- James

#49299 From: "ukmailorder" <hobbyspecialists@...>
Date: Fri Jan 7, 2005 8:16 am
Subject: Re: [mordheim] FM7
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No, he's referring to issue seven of the magazine. The magazine will
continue until issue 10 as that's how far ahead the lads were before
the decision was taken to change the Fanatic support.
Tom

>
> I assume you are now refering to the soon-to-be-released online mag
??
> Nice to know that my article will run .... (assuming that is still
> the one I wrote, which kinda coincides with the schedule once
> provided by Matt....
>
> Gray Sage

#49298 From: "Lex" <l.vanrooy@...>
Date: Thu Jan 6, 2005 8:22 pm
Subject: Re: [mordheim] FM7
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "ian" <zebb.edee@v...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dieter.Passchier@e..."
> > Your content discription is always welcome, Ian! Could you be so
kind and
> > list the other fantasy stuff also (Warmaster)?
> >
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Dieter
>
> Ok, we have...
>
> - a big picture of the Steve Hambrook Trophy, plus a short plug for
the
> Warmaster Tournament Circuit
>
> - "Pick A Card, Any Card..." by the Warmaster Players Society, a
set of
> rules for using random Magic Item cards in games or tournaments.
Includes
> the actual cards, which need pasting onto card.
>
> - a Bo5A preview.  Two pages of mostly fluff followed by two pages
of minis.
> Mirkwood Elves, Men of Lake Town, Iron Hill Dwarves, Goblins &
Wargs. Very
> nice they look too.
>
> - "A Lustrian Enterprise" by Anthony Reynolds & Matt Keefe.  Four
pages
> about WM'ing in Lustria, mostly setting the scene plus describing
the nature
> & effects of Lustrian terrain
>
> - pics of the Lizardmen minis
>
> Next month promises a scenario generator for WM.
>
> Ian

Hmmm ... you guys seems to warp in from a discussion on the Mordheim
group .......

I assume you are now refering to the soon-to-be-released online mag ??
Nice to know that my article will run .... (assuming that is still
the one I wrote, which kinda coincides with the schedule once
provided by Matt....

Gray Sage

#49297 From: "ian" <zebb.edee@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 9:37 am
Subject: Re: [mordheim] FM7
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----- Original Message -----
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> Your content discription is always welcome, Ian! Could you be so kind and
> list the other fantasy stuff also (Warmaster)?
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Dieter

Ok, we have...

- a big picture of the Steve Hambrook Trophy, plus a short plug for the
Warmaster Tournament Circuit

- "Pick A Card, Any Card..." by the Warmaster Players Society, a set of
rules for using random Magic Item cards in games or tournaments.  Includes
the actual cards, which need pasting onto card.

- a Bo5A preview.  Two pages of mostly fluff followed by two pages of minis.
Mirkwood Elves, Men of Lake Town, Iron Hill Dwarves, Goblins & Wargs. Very
nice they look too.

- "A Lustrian Enterprise" by Anthony Reynolds & Matt Keefe.  Four pages
about WM'ing in Lustria, mostly setting the scene plus describing the nature
& effects of Lustrian terrain

- pics of the Lizardmen minis

Next month promises a scenario generator for WM.

Ian

#49296 From: "karen carrington" <pcdl29110@...>
Date: Thu Jan 6, 2005 9:11 am
Subject: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE (WITH ASSOCIATED PUNS, INTENTIONAL OR OTHERWISE..)
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Hi,

Just a quick note to say thank you for the clear replies to my question - I am
now basking in the glow of self-righteousness.   I'm just glad that the result
of our game didn't rest on the answer - it was already slipping away from me at
this point (I had foolishly tried to charge the 'defence line of death',
comprising crossbows, cannons, elf archers, bolt throwers etc, and paid
accordingly after initial success - chalk up another win for Rob & Adam - your
15 seconds of fame !)

Cheers,


Phil

PS.   To quote the Scooby villain "I'd have got away with it too if it hadn't
been for you meddling kids.."

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#49295 From: David Simpson <stomm@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2005, at 02:42  pm, jrkbarlow wrote:

> I won't snip the message just yet!
> I'm still confused as I still can't get my head around the pun part
> so it was definately unintentional! ;o)
>

	 You said you were confused, as you just have now. Since we are talking
about confusion here, that would in some circles qualify as a pun.


> As for the supporting troops if they of the same unit that is charged
> (ie unit in column) then of course they are in combat. I guess a
> drive back result that would push them further into the enemy
> engaging them from the front and the enemy would count as unyielding
> and automatically confuses the defenders. Does that sound right?
>

	 Units in combat are ineligible as a target for shooting attacks, so
this would never happen.


> If from a different unit the supporting troops they are not involved
> directly in the combat and will then have to move 1cm away from it,
> even if that is towards the shooters.
>

	 Well the stopping 1cm from units in combat only really applies to
units being driven from elsewhere towards the combat. Since the
supporting troops are already in contact with units in combat, so it
obviously has nowhere to go, thus stays where it is. If you have units
moving anywhere, especially towards the firer, then it brings up all
sorts of problems. Also, I have a sneaky suspiction that the stopping
within 1cm only applies to being driven into enemy units, but I may
very well be wrong on that one.

	 Either way, I think that this might actually be worthy of an FAQ
entry. Its been ages since we've had any looked at by Rick, I think it
might be time to distract him with such questions ;-)


> *DISCLAIMER*
> Although these are the views of the author I take no responsibilty
> for the inclusion or exclusions of puns iether intended or
> otherwise!  ;o)

	 Puns are a wonderful thing, intentional or not. Try to construct a
whole paragraph of puns, a wonderful thing to behold indeed ;-).

David.

#49294 From: "archaeopterxy_wtw" <benedict@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 6:27 pm
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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> I won't snip the message just yet!
> I'm still confused as I still can't get my head around the pun part
> so it was definately unintentional! ;o)
>
> As for the supporting troops if they of the same unit that is charged
> (ie unit in column) then of course they are in combat. I guess a
> drive back result that would push them further into the enemy
> engaging them from the front and the enemy would count as unyielding
> and automatically confuses the defenders. Does that sound right?
>
> If from a different unit the supporting troops they are not involved
> directly in the combat and will then have to move 1cm away from it,
> even if that is towards the shooters.

If the unit the brigade has charged is in column, the handgunners will
not be able to target the supporting stands with shooting. The
handgunners will only be able to shoot supporting stands if the
supporting stands belong to a different unit. If this is the case,
then the supporting unit will be automatically confused (and thus
cease to support) if the direction of fire drives them into the unit
in front of them that is in combat. Clear?

It should be noted that it IS possible to get shots onto units in
combat (with cannon bounces and certain spells). If this occurs, then
the unit in combat does not roll for driveback or confusion, but
carries the hits from the shooting phase into the combat phase. Nasty
tactic, actually.

Enjoy,
Chris Benedict

#49293 From: "jrkbarlow" <jamesrkbarlow@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, David Simpson <stomm@s...> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2005, at 09:45  am, jrkbarlow wrote:
>
> > Now I'm confused! As far as I read the rules it is as following:-
> >
>
>  I hope that wasn't an intentional pun? But then I suppose the
whole
> nature of puns is to be rather bad, heck I'm guilty of punning too
much
> myself ;-). Oh yeah, points to answer etc....
>
>
> > Regarding any shooting driveback described above.
> > The defending unit that is in combat will NOT be confused by the
> > supporting units being driven into it from shooting as the driven
> > back unit MUST stop 1cm away from the combat situation, therefore
no
> > contact and no confusion. Only the driven back are confused.
>
>  Well it obviously doesn't stop 1cm away, as its already in
combat.
> However, you are right, only the supporting unit will become
confused.
> If the unit in combat were not actually in combat, then there might
be
> a chance of it becoming confused if it decided to make way for the
> driven back unit behind it.
>
>
> >
> > The charge sequence is spot on though IMO
>
>  Yup.
>
> David.


I won't snip the message just yet!
I'm still confused as I still can't get my head around the pun part
so it was definately unintentional! ;o)

As for the supporting troops if they of the same unit that is charged
(ie unit in column) then of course they are in combat. I guess a
drive back result that would push them further into the enemy
engaging them from the front and the enemy would count as unyielding
and automatically confuses the defenders. Does that sound right?

If from a different unit the supporting troops they are not involved
directly in the combat and will then have to move 1cm away from it,
even if that is towards the shooters.

*DISCLAIMER*
Although these are the views of the author I take no responsibilty
for the inclusion or exclusions of puns iether intended or
otherwise!  ;o)

#49292 From: David Simpson <stomm@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 10:58 am
Subject: Re: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2005, at 09:45  am, jrkbarlow wrote:

> Now I'm confused! As far as I read the rules it is as following:-
>

	 I hope that wasn't an intentional pun? But then I suppose the whole
nature of puns is to be rather bad, heck I'm guilty of punning too much
myself ;-). Oh yeah, points to answer etc....


> Regarding any shooting driveback described above.
> The defending unit that is in combat will NOT be confused by the
> supporting units being driven into it from shooting as the driven
> back unit MUST stop 1cm away from the combat situation, therefore no
> contact and no confusion. Only the driven back are confused.

	 Well it obviously doesn't stop 1cm away, as its already in combat.
However, you are right, only the supporting unit will become confused.
If the unit in combat were not actually in combat, then there might be
a chance of it becoming confused if it decided to make way for the
driven back unit behind it.


>
> The charge sequence is spot on though IMO

	 Yup.

David.

#49291 From: "jrkbarlow" <jamesrkbarlow@...>
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 9:45 am
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "Christof Simons"
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>
> Hi Phil,
>
> If you are giving a command to a brigade, the whole brigade needs
to
> end up as a brigade with the exception of any troops that are
> engaging the enemy. So in the given situation you could move the
> handgunners to the side. and charge in the warriors against the
line
> of crossbowmen (as they now have line of sight). I assume both
units
> of warrios had enough movement to get into contact.
>
> Correct resolution for the situation you describe would be.
> 1. Give command to brigade.
> 2. Nominate unit A to move to the side
> 3. Nominate unit B that now has line of sight, if in range, move
> into contact.
> 4. Nominate Unit C. Check if B isn't line of sight, if B isn't in
> the way, is target enemy unit in range of unit C? Yes, move in, if
> not, you are obliged to move into contact with unit A. (Not Unit B,
> only unit A: Units that aren't engaging enemy must remain in
contact
> on a brigade order)
>
> Also note that by moving the handgunners to the side you get the
> possibility to shoot at the support, thereby removing them. Best
way
> is to shoot and drive back the support into the troops in front of
> them: No more support (because they're confused)and the previously
> supporting unit is now confused as well, making it easier for your
> dwarf warriors to advance if you kill off the front unit. In the
> other case if you place the handgunners just next to and behind the
> warrior B unit so that warrior C unit can fall into support, you
> might shoot away support and certainly win combat by your support
> alone.
>
> With friendly regards,
>
>
> Christof
>
> PS: You must have been misled, there's only complete nutters here.


-----------------

Now I'm confused! As far as I read the rules it is as following:-

Regarding any shooting driveback described above.
The defending unit that is in combat will NOT be confused by the
supporting units being driven into it from shooting as the driven
back unit MUST stop 1cm away from the combat situation, therefore no
contact and no confusion. Only the driven back are confused.

The charge sequence is spot on though IMO

- Jimbob

#49290 From: matt@...
Date: Wed Jan 5, 2005 9:34 am
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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Hi Phil,

Christof is right:

>> Correct resolution for the situation you describe would be.
1. Give command to brigade.
2. Nominate unit A to move to the side
3. Nominate unit B that now has line of sight, if in range, move
into contact.
4. Nominate Unit C. Check if B isn't line of sight, if B isn't in
the way, is target enemy unit in range of unit C? Yes, move in, if
not, you are obliged to move into contact with unit A. (Not Unit B,
only unit A: Units that aren't engaging enemy must remain in contact
on a brigade order)<<

I tend to find that the first unit charging (unit B) obscures the enemy
since it must charge as a line if it can (needs to be under 14.5cm away).
You probably then want to put unit C into support Unit B.
Because unit C is not in contact with the enemy it must end in contact with
Unit A.
Therefore it is sometimes important to move Unit A into a position that
puts unit C into contact with it when it moves into support.

Hope this is clear!

Matt

#49289 From: "Christof Simons" <Christof.simons@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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Hi Phil,

If you are giving a command to a brigade, the whole brigade needs to
end up as a brigade with the exception of any troops that are
engaging the enemy. So in the given situation you could move the
handgunners to the side. and charge in the warriors against the line
of crossbowmen (as they now have line of sight). I assume both units
of warrios had enough movement to get into contact.

Correct resolution for the situation you describe would be.
1. Give command to brigade.
2. Nominate unit A to move to the side
3. Nominate unit B that now has line of sight, if in range, move
into contact.
4. Nominate Unit C. Check if B isn't line of sight, if B isn't in
the way, is target enemy unit in range of unit C? Yes, move in, if
not, you are obliged to move into contact with unit A. (Not Unit B,
only unit A: Units that aren't engaging enemy must remain in contact
on a brigade order)

Also note that by moving the handgunners to the side you get the
possibility to shoot at the support, thereby removing them. Best way
is to shoot and drive back the support into the troops in front of
them: No more support (because they're confused)and the previously
supporting unit is now confused as well, making it easier for your
dwarf warriors to advance if you kill off the front unit. In the
other case if you place the handgunners just next to and behind the
warrior B unit so that warrior C unit can fall into support, you
might shoot away support and certainly win combat by your support
alone.

With friendly regards,


Christof

PS: You must have been misled, there's only complete nutters here.

#49288 From: Comcabal@...
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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Dans un e-mail daté du 04/01/2005 21:56:18 Paris, Madrid,
pcdl29110@... a écrit :

>The  question is, as I have given only one order, do my handgunners still
have to  >remain in contact with the warriors once the charge has been completed
  (ie. the >brigade is obliged to remain together - my opponent's view) or
can they step aside, >allow the warriors to pass so that the brigade ends  up as
two distinct elements (the >handgunners, standing to the left of  their
original position, and the two units of >warriors, chopping happily  into enemy
crossbowmen).   In the end, we fudged the >issue and  agreed to refer the matter
to the wise and worthy (thats you  !).


I can't quote the rules but you don't have to maintain formation coherency
with the charging units.
Units charging can be ignored in the formation coherency.
English is not my first language, hope my answer  is clear.


Bertrand


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#49287 From: "karen carrington" <pcdl29110@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: CHARGE OF THE VERTICALLY CHALLENGED BRIGADE !
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Hi,

Grateful for any advice you can give on a situation that arose in a game today.
This situation must have arisen a thousand times but, despite much reading of
the rule book, we couldn't find a definitive answer.

In the game, I had a brigade of dwarfs within charge range of a long line of
enemy crossbowmen.   The brigade consisted of one Handgunner unit in line (A)
standing in front of two Warrior units in column (B & C).   Unit A could see the
enemy but it blocked B & C's line of sight.   I had just made a command roll for
the Brigade (on a 4 !) and wanted to engage the enemy line (to pay them back for
earlier humiliations...thanks Adam !!).   The trouble was, I didn't want the
whole Brigade to charge (the Handgunners were to step aside, allowing the
Warriors to gain LOS to the enemy and charge).   The question is, as I have
given only one order, do my handgunners still have to remain in contact with the
warriors once the charge has been completed (ie. the brigade is obliged to
remain together - my opponent's view) or can they step aside, allow the warriors
to pass so that the brigade ends up as two distinct elements (the handgunners,
standing to the left of their original position, and the two units of warriors,
chopping happily into enemy crossbowmen).   In the end, we fudged the issue and
agreed to refer the matter to the wise and worthy (thats you !).

Thanks,


Phil


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#49286 From: "UllGitYer" <ullgityer@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: whose land is it anyway?
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "ajpacitto" <apacitto@r...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if the WM Campaign "Whose land is it anyway" is
> available at a website for download? or Does anyone have an
> electronic copy to share?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ang

I may be able to find the original (before Steve's editing)- WTS

Wayne

#49285 From: "Adam Stephens" <adam.stephens@...>
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: whose land is it anyway?
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Hey, actually I was curious of the exact same thing. Sent off an email to GW
staff at Specialist Games if they could make that article available but I hadn't
heard a reply yet as it was the holiday season... It's really a fantastic
system, especially for folks who can only play once in a while and it's mapless!

Adam
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Lex
   To: gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:50 AM
   Subject: [gw-warmaster] Re: whose land is it anyway?



   --- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "ajpacitto" <apacitto@r...>
   wrote:
   >
   >
   > Hi,
   >
   > Can anyone tell me if the WM Campaign "Whose land is it anyway" is
   > available at a website for download? or Does anyone have an
   > electronic copy to share?

   Have been talking with Keith, there is a HUGE pile of stuff comming
   up for the website...... the article you mention should be there
   too...

   In addition I asked Keith if it would be possible to have full-PDF
   downloads of all Warmaster Magazines... he is looking into that too...

   Lex Moderator Est
   aka Gray Sage





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#49284 From: "Garth Bragg" <garth_bragg@...>
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 3:25 pm
Subject: RE: Happy New Year
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Happy New Year! Nice to have someone breaking trail at the head of the
column. Being no stranger to past celebrations and grand inebriations have a
great time and be safe! I do also have an old family remedy for hang-overs
of you need one.;-p
GB
Garth

>From: David Simpson <stomm@...>
>Reply-To: gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com
>To: gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [gw-warmaster] Happy New Year
>Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:41:12 +0000
>
>Well happy new year everyone, from the time-zone that counts (GMT of
>course). Oh and if you didn't know already, its also my birthday! I've
>now hit 27 years of age, oh and I'm quite drunk which makes a change I
>suppose :-)
>
>
>David Simpson
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>www.norsca.net
>

#49283 From: "ian" <zebb.edee@...>
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 9:56 am
Subject: Re: Re: updated WM rulebook?
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Thanks for the advice.  I bought it (well of course I did - who was I trying
to kid?).  Looking forward to a good leaf through it just as soon as I can
get rid of these relatives.

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: M Roberts
> As a fellow newbie, drawn to Warmaster by the coverage in Fanatic mag
> (RIP) and the release of the LRB, I'd say buy the real, printed thing if
> you can afford it. Mine turned up today (half-price courtesy of eBay -
> sorry GW) and is a thing of beauty.
>
> Cheers, Martyn

#49282 From: "Lex" <l.vanrooy@...>
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 8:50 am
Subject: Re: whose land is it anyway?
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--- In gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com, "ajpacitto" <apacitto@r...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me if the WM Campaign "Whose land is it anyway" is
> available at a website for download? or Does anyone have an
> electronic copy to share?

Have been talking with Keith, there is a HUGE pile of stuff comming
up for the website...... the article you mention should be there
too...

In addition I asked Keith if it would be possible to have full-PDF
downloads of all Warmaster Magazines... he is looking into that too...

Lex Moderator Est
aka Gray Sage

#49281 From: "ajpacitto" <apacitto@...>
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 4:35 am
Subject: whose land is it anyway?
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me if the WM Campaign "Whose land is it anyway" is
available at a website for download? or Does anyone have an
electronic copy to share?


Thanks,
Ang

#49280 From: gw-warmaster@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 4:47 am
Subject: Reminder - : LIST OWNER MSG : Monthly <SNIP> Remind...
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

: LIST OWNER MSG : Monthly <SNIP> Reminder Msg :P

Date: Monday, January 3, 2005
Time: All Day

Just a reminder (I forget at times too...)...<snip> your msg's
please...This reminder is primarily for the new members (and old
ones with bad memories :P). Some list members pay for downloaded
email by the byte. Some pay for Internet access by the minute
(yes, really...).

So, PLEASE, in consideration of those members, please <snip>...

Thanks!

Gene
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