I recently read this in rpg_player_sanctuary and thought it
interesting enough to check out and pass along.  I am reposting the
entire message here for the benefit of the group.  As you can see I
have instigated a rule in my own groups banning grouply.com email
extensions.

Missiledine


To my players:

I am reposting a message that has recently appeared in
some of the game support forums.  Having done a bit of
follow up research myself I have decided that I will
not permit grouply.com email extensions in my groups
and games.
I apologize in advance for any inconvenience this may
cause.

Missiledine


   Warning about Grouply.Com
Posted by: "rpg_player_sanctuary"
rpg_player_sanctuary@...   rpg_player_sanctuary
Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:09 am (PST)
Warning about Grouply.Com

I have recently become aware of a new site which
advertises they can
make accessing your groups `faster and easier'. A
monitor of another
group shared this information with me:

"Over the past few days I've researched the Grouply
service from both
the pro and con perspectives, poured through numerous
posts on the
various Yahoo Groups technical and management lists,
and examined
comments from Grouply advisory board members as well
as the CEO and
co-founder and all have helped me to the conclusion I
hold regarding
the service. While Grouply is the only service
mentioned by name, as
other services are developed that offer similar
services the policy
explained below will be expanded to encompass the new
companies. When
you join Grouply.com, several things will occur which
you may not be
aware will happen:

First, when a member joins, it automatically changes
their primary
email address for the groups, giving them a
@grouply.com extension.
This is being done to those who are joining and is
changed on the
Yahoo ID so all mail received from the lists will now
be sent to the
grouply.com address. The only place this is mentioned
is deep in one
of the FAQs and not up front and in plain view of the
new subscriber.

Second, members who join the Grouply website have to
give their
member
ID and password. This opens up a security issue for
those members as
now a third party has complete access to their Yahoo
account. This
includes not just the Yahoo Groups, but also personal
mail and any
other services accessed via the Yahoo ID.

Third, once a member joins Grouply, it opens access to
the files and
posts of each group to the Grouply website. Grouply
staff can then
access these files. If they get hacked, then it opens
the doors to
the
groups getting hacked as well. Additionally, Grouply
will pull the
list's archives onto their servers, generally a
violation of Yahoo's
TOS.

Fourth, it opens the risk of spam. Not only is there
an enticement to
send a message to all the new grouply.com subscriber's
groups
announcing the Grouply service, but any other
advertising or
announcements as well. This is spam and few lists
tolerate such
solicitations. In other words, information from a
group can be made
accessible to everyone, and massive amounts of spam
with your email
address may be generated."

In short, I am leery of Grouply. I am concerned about
members of the
list who join because you are exposing fellow group
members,
moderators, and owners to unauthorized use of their
emails and group
information by Grouply. I may implement a policy very
soon that will
disallow Grouply email addresses on this list.

If you have joined Grouply and are using them to read
this list, you
should reconsider
Grouply or cease having Grouply collect your mail for
this group. If
you choose to leave Grouply, please go into your Yahoo
Groups
account at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ mygroups and
change your
password.

I hope you understand the measures I feel I must take
and will take
precautions to protect your Yahoo ID.

Hello if u have some new spells can u send then here and if u want
3000+spells right me at Htoad000069@...

From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
> Do we have a question for joining this group?  That usually helps weed out
> the ----mers.  Bots can't answer a question.  Just make sure it's not yes or
> no.  :-)
>
> How about "To make sure you're a real person and not a sp*mbot, please
> answer the following question by filling in the blank: GURPS is a registered
> trademark of ______  ________ Games?"
>
> The answer is right on our front page but a bot won't know that.  You can
> even SAY the answer is right on our front page, and it will only help humans
> not bots.
>
> John

On 5/25/07, Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:
> I just sent an email to it asking if they were real.  I wouldn't suggest
> everyone doing that, because it could just confirm your address for them,
> but it worked for me...

As you say, that extra step could end up getting your own address on a
spam list, so why not just put a good question where it's meant to be,
on the application page, and let it do its work without the extra step
and that risk?

On 5/30/07, Missiledine <missiledine@...> wrote:
> In my other groups I keep the new member on Moderated
> Status, so I can review his or her post before it
> appears on the board.

That works too, but again, extra steps that could be prevented by just
having a good question upfront.

In my other groups I keep the new member on Moderated
Status, so I can review his or her post before it
appears on the board.  I check out their first
posting, if it is on topic and clearly written by a
person, I approve the post and release them for future
postings.
If things change I can always give them the boot
later.

Missiledine


--- Blue Lightning <superman3000@...> wrote:

> Do we have a question for joining this group?  That
> usually helps weed out
> the ----mers.  Bots can't answer a question.  Just
> make sure it's not yes or
> no.  :-)
>
> How about "To make sure you're a real person and not
> a sp*mbot, please
> answer the following question by filling in the
> blank: GURPS is a registered
> trademark of ______  ________ Games?"
>
> The answer is right on our front page but a bot
> won't know that.  You can
> even SAY the answer is right on our front page, and
> it will only help humans
> not bots.
>
> John
>

I just sent an email to it asking if they were real.  I wouldn't suggest
everyone doing that, because it could just confirm your address for them,
but it worked for me...

On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements" section,
it said "Requires Windows 95 or better."  So I installed Linux.



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] New Moderators
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:13:57 -0400

Do we have a question for joining this group?  That usually helps weed out
the ----mers.  Bots can't answer a question.  Just make sure it's not yes or
no.  :-)

How about "To make sure you're a real person and not a sp*mbot, please
answer the following question by filling in the blank: GURPS is a registered
trademark of ______  ________ Games?"

The answer is right on our front page but a bot won't know that.  You can
even SAY the answer is right on our front page, and it will only help humans
not bots.

John

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If there was any question about
alexis-sabry558@... then this should
answer it....
Found this on
The_Universal_RPG_Recruiting_Network@yahoogroups.com

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alexis-sabry362@...
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--- Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:

> Yes, if you go into Yahoo Groups help you can select
> an option like "None of
> these answer my question..."  It will email Yahoo
> support and they will tell
> you to make a new poll...  But it has to be open for
> a week; I made mine two
> for no reason.
>
> If you would like help with other groups let me
> know.
>
> Does anyone know alexis-sabry558@...?
> This person wants to join
> the group.  However, I think it is a SPAMmer in
> hiding...
>
> Matt
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
> Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
> To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] New Moderators
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:35:35 -0400
>
> THANKS MATT!  Great job of finding out how to do
> that, I didn't know there
> was any hope once a moderator disappears!
>
> Sorry I haven't been paying attention-- didn't even
> know I was running for
> office!  With all the spam I just sent GURPS Magic
> mail directly to my Gurps
> folder and haven't checked it lately.
>
> Should we revive the other abandoned GURPS Yahoo
> groups while we're at it?
> :-)
>
> Go Team Spam Rescue!  :-)
>
>
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> mail—award-winning Windows
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>
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>
>
>
> GURPS MAGIC is an unmoderated list open to everyone
>
> This material is not official and is not endorsed by
> Steve Jackson Games, GURPS is a registered trademark
> of Steve Jackson Games, All rights are reserved by
> SJ Games.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


Visit Missiledine's Games, home of my Velitrium Campaign. A Fantasy RPG using
GURPS rules. Come and play at www.missiledine.com

I'm not familiar with that addy:
alexis-sabry558@...  but I agree, the
.info reeks of spam.

Missiledine



--- Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:

> Yes, if you go into Yahoo Groups help you can select
> an option like "None of
> these answer my question..."  It will email Yahoo
> support and they will tell
> you to make a new poll...  But it has to be open for
> a week; I made mine two
> for no reason.
>
> If you would like help with other groups let me
> know.
>
> Does anyone know alexis-sabry558@...?
> This person wants to join
> the group.  However, I think it is a SPAMmer in
> hiding...
>
> Matt
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
> Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
> To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] New Moderators
> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:35:35 -0400
>
> THANKS MATT!  Great job of finding out how to do
> that, I didn't know there
> was any hope once a moderator disappears!
>
> Sorry I haven't been paying attention-- didn't even
> know I was running for
> office!  With all the spam I just sent GURPS Magic
> mail directly to my Gurps
> folder and haven't checked it lately.
>
> Should we revive the other abandoned GURPS Yahoo
> groups while we're at it?
> :-)
>
> Go Team Spam Rescue!  :-)
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
> PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web
> mail—award-winning Windows
> Live Hotmail.
>
http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM\
_mini_pcmag_0507
>
>
>
> GURPS MAGIC is an unmoderated list open to everyone
>
> This material is not official and is not endorsed by
> Steve Jackson Games, GURPS is a registered trademark
> of Steve Jackson Games, All rights are reserved by
> SJ Games.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


Visit Missiledine's Games, home of my Velitrium Campaign. A Fantasy RPG using
GURPS rules. Come and play at www.missiledine.com

Yes, if you go into Yahoo Groups help you can select an option like "None of
these answer my question..."  It will email Yahoo support and they will tell
you to make a new poll...  But it has to be open for a week; I made mine two
for no reason.

If you would like help with other groups let me know.

Does anyone know alexis-sabry558@...?  This person wants to join
the group.  However, I think it is a SPAMmer in hiding...

Matt

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] New Moderators
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:35:35 -0400

THANKS MATT!  Great job of finding out how to do that, I didn't know there
was any hope once a moderator disappears!

Sorry I haven't been paying attention-- didn't even know I was running for
office!  With all the spam I just sent GURPS Magic mail directly to my Gurps
folder and haven't checked it lately.

Should we revive the other abandoned GURPS Yahoo groups while we're at it?
:-)

Go Team Spam Rescue!  :-)

_________________________________________________________________
PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows
Live Hotmail.
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Great!



--- Matt <blacktop19@...> wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
>
> I took over the group.  Now you have to be approved
> to join.  This
> should help cut down on a lot of SPAM...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Matt
>
>


Visit Missiledine's Games, home of my Velitrium Campaign. A Fantasy RPG using
GURPS rules. Come and play at www.missiledine.com

Hey Everyone,

I took over the group.  Now you have to be approved to join.  This
should help cut down on a lot of SPAM...

Enjoy!

Matt

The following gurps_magic poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Who do you want for the new Moderator

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Matthew Miller - blacktop19, 2 votes, 100.00%
- Missiledine - missiledine, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Blue Lightning - superman3000, 0 votes, 0.00%



For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gurps_magic

For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

That sounds good...  Let me know, I'll join.  :)

Matt

----Original Message Follows----
From: Missiledine <missiledine@...>
Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] FW: Re: Members - Other (KMM93300220V4571L0KM)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:12:23 -0700 (PDT)

Alternatively lets have one member start a group and
then select several other co-moderators.

Missiledine



--- Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:

  > OK Everyone,
  >
  > Go to the polls and vote! -
  >
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gurps_magic/surveys?id=2485793
  >
  > Sincerely,
  > Matt
  >
  > ----Original Message Follows----
  > From: Yahoo! Groups
  > <egroups-feedback@...>
  > Reply-To: Yahoo! Groups
  > <egroups-feedback@...>
  > To: <blacktop19@...>
  > Subject: Re: Members - Other  (KMM93300220V4571L0KM)
  > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:02:29 -0700
  >
  > Hello,
  >
  > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
  >
  > So, you would like to a new moderator for your
  > Yahoo! Group.  Great, we
  > can help!
  >
  > To select a new moderator please use the group's
  > polls feature to create
  > a poll. Then list the member names, or email
  > addresses, of a few members
  > who would like to be a moderator as these will be
  > the choices for the
  > poll. You will need to announce the poll to your
  > group and ask the
  > members to vote on who they would like to be
  > moderator. Please allow the
  > poll to remain open for a period of at least one
  > week. Once the poll has
  > closed, please email a reply back to us and we will
  > appoint the
  > "elected" moderator.
  >
  > We do apologize for any inconvenience during this
  > process and please let
  > us know if you have any additional questions or
  > concerns.
  >
  > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups.
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > Gidget
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care
  >
  > Visit our online help pages at:
  >
  >     http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
  >
  > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - better than ever!
  >
  >
  >
  > Original Message Follows:
  > -------------------------
  >
  > Mail-Id: 1176870060-7367
  > Group Name:  gurps_magic
  >
  > Are you a... Member
  >
  > Subject: Other
  >
  > Type your feedback here:
  >   All Email to the group moderator is
  > bouncing.  Can we get a new moderator?
  > Can you assign a new one?
  >
  > While Viewing:
  >
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/members/members-07.html
  >
  > Yahoo ID: suckmykiss2 :
  >
https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=9DkPG2c4DFtr4OQ5QqNzONtX5Lhyoc.fO.ebSd\
gBTs6Q
  > Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
  > rv:1.8.0.6)
  > Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6
  > REMOTE_ADDR: 71.231.9.132
  > REMOTE_HOST: c-71-231-9-132.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
  > Date Originated: Tuesday April 17, 2007 - 21:21:00
  > -------
  >
  >
_________________________________________________________________
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  > $200,000 loan for as low as
  > $771/month*
  >
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tgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117
  >
  >


Visit Missiledine's Games, home of my Velitrium Campaign. A Fantasy RPG
using GURPS rules. Come and play at www.missiledine.com


GURPS MAGIC is an unmoderated list open to everyone

This material is not official and is not endorsed by Steve Jackson Games,
GURPS is a registered trademark of Steve Jackson Games, All rights are
reserved by SJ Games.
Yahoo! Groups Links



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Alternatively lets have one member start a group and
then select several other co-moderators.

Missiledine



--- Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:

> OK Everyone,
>
> Go to the polls and vote! -
>
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gurps_magic/surveys?id=2485793
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Yahoo! Groups
> <egroups-feedback@...>
> Reply-To: Yahoo! Groups
> <egroups-feedback@...>
> To: <blacktop19@...>
> Subject: Re: Members - Other  (KMM93300220V4571L0KM)
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:02:29 -0700
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
>
> So, you would like to a new moderator for your
> Yahoo! Group.  Great, we
> can help!
>
> To select a new moderator please use the group's
> polls feature to create
> a poll. Then list the member names, or email
> addresses, of a few members
> who would like to be a moderator as these will be
> the choices for the
> poll. You will need to announce the poll to your
> group and ask the
> members to vote on who they would like to be
> moderator. Please allow the
> poll to remain open for a period of at least one
> week. Once the poll has
> closed, please email a reply back to us and we will
> appoint the
> "elected" moderator.
>
> We do apologize for any inconvenience during this
> process and please let
> us know if you have any additional questions or
> concerns.
>
> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gidget
>
> Yahoo! Groups Customer Care
>
> Visit our online help pages at:
>
>     http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
>
> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - better than ever!
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> -------------------------
>
> Mail-Id: 1176870060-7367
> Group Name:  gurps_magic
>
> Are you a... Member
>
> Subject: Other
>
> Type your feedback here:
>   All Email to the group moderator is
> bouncing.  Can we get a new moderator?
> Can you assign a new one?
>
> While Viewing:
>
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/members/members-07.html
>
> Yahoo ID: suckmykiss2 :
>
https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=9DkPG2c4DFtr4OQ5QqNzONtX5Lhyoc.fO.ebSd\
gBTs6Q
> Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US;
> rv:1.8.0.6)
> Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6
> REMOTE_ADDR: 71.231.9.132
> REMOTE_HOST: c-71-231-9-132.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
> Date Originated: Tuesday April 17, 2007 - 21:21:00
> -------
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
> Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance
> $200,000 loan for as low as
> $771/month*
>
https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mor\
tgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117
>
>


Visit Missiledine's Games, home of my Velitrium Campaign. A Fantasy RPG using
GURPS rules. Come and play at www.missiledine.com

OK Everyone,

Go to the polls and vote! -
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/gurps_magic/surveys?id=2485793

Sincerely,
Matt

----Original Message Follows----
From: Yahoo! Groups <egroups-feedback@...>
Reply-To: Yahoo! Groups <egroups-feedback@...>
To: <blacktop19@...>
Subject: Re: Members - Other  (KMM93300220V4571L0KM)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:02:29 -0700

Hello,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.

So, you would like to a new moderator for your Yahoo! Group.  Great, we
can help!

To select a new moderator please use the group's polls feature to create
a poll. Then list the member names, or email addresses, of a few members
who would like to be a moderator as these will be the choices for the
poll. You will need to announce the poll to your group and ask the
members to vote on who they would like to be moderator. Please allow the
poll to remain open for a period of at least one week. Once the poll has
closed, please email a reply back to us and we will appoint the
"elected" moderator.

We do apologize for any inconvenience during this process and please let
us know if you have any additional questions or concerns.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups.

Regards,

Gidget

Yahoo! Groups Customer Care

Visit our online help pages at:

     http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/

New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - better than ever!



Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Mail-Id: 1176870060-7367
Group Name:  gurps_magic

Are you a... Member

Subject: Other

Type your feedback here:
   All Email to the group moderator is
bouncing.  Can we get a new moderator?
Can you assign a new one?

While Viewing: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/members/members-07.html

Yahoo ID: suckmykiss2 :
https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=9DkPG2c4DFtr4OQ5QqNzONtX5Lhyoc.fO.ebSd\
gBTs6Q
Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6)
Gecko/20060728 Firefox/1.5.0.6
REMOTE_ADDR: 71.231.9.132
REMOTE_HOST: c-71-231-9-132.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
Date Originated: Tuesday April 17, 2007 - 21:21:00
-------

_________________________________________________________________
Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as
$771/month*
https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mor\
tgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
gurps_magic group:

Who do you want for the new Moderator

   o Matthew Miller - blacktop19
   o Missiledine - missiledine
   o Blue Lightning - superman3000


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gurps_magic/surveys?id=2485793

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

As I mentioned in my last post, unless someone has the
passwords the whole issue is moot.  The current
settings are locked by the owner and only he can
change them.  Since he seems to have abandoned the
group there is not much point in talking about how to
fix this one.
Sadly, this is all too common a state in Yahoo Groups.
  Abandoned groups become magnets for spammers.  I
recently left 'gurpsfantasyrealm' for the same reason.


This group is dead and the spammers circle the
carrion!

Missiledine



--- Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:

> It looks like the email is bouncing when sent to the
> moderator...  :(
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
> Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
> To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] SPAM on the mailing list
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:18:20 -0400
>
>  > At the moment, let's keep the discussion to
> weather we want to do this or
>  > not.  Then, once we decide (if we do) we can
> worry about how...
>  >
>  > Sincerely,
>  > Matt
>
> I like these ideas.  Of course, if I'm not mistaken,
> I'm the one who
> sent them to you.  :-)
>
> I like Missiledine's points too.  Though I'd like to
> add that once the
> current spammers are banned and new members require
> approval, there
> will be far less moderating to do, so burning out
> isn't much of an
> issue.  Not to say that having assistant mods isn't
> a great idea.
>
> J
>
>
> GURPS MAGIC is an unmoderated list open to everyone
>
> This material is not official and is not endorsed by
> Steve Jackson Games,
> GURPS is a registered trademark of Steve Jackson
> Games, All rights are
> reserved by SJ Games.
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>
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Unless someone currently active in the group has moderator or owner
status, or knows the group's passwords, this whole discussion is moot.

The listed group owner, 'fang' is no longer listed as active in the
group and his email is bouncing.
I wrote to his address and the email was returned.  Here is the response.
...................................................
Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<fang@...>:
Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 <fang@...>... User unknown
[RCPT_TO]

--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 04:03:04 -0000
From: "Missiledine" <missiledine@...>
To: "Richard Mielke" <fang@...>
Subject: Hi
Message-ID: <f0459o+foch@eGroups.com>
User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster

Sender: notify@yahoogroups.com

Are you still moderating gurps_magic group on Yahoo?

Missiledine
........................................

Under the circumstances the easiest solution to the SPAM problem is to
set up a new group, say 'gurps_magic2' and invite selected members of
this group to join.  Set the group parameters to control spammers,
designate two or three additional moderators and start over.

Missiledine

It looks like the email is bouncing when sent to the moderator...  :(

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Blue Lightning" <superman3000@...>
Reply-To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
To: gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gurps_magic] SPAM on the mailing list
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:18:20 -0400

  > At the moment, let's keep the discussion to weather we want to do this or
  > not.  Then, once we decide (if we do) we can worry about how...
  >
  > Sincerely,
  > Matt

I like these ideas.  Of course, if I'm not mistaken, I'm the one who
sent them to you.  :-)

I like Missiledine's points too.  Though I'd like to add that once the
current spammers are banned and new members require approval, there
will be far less moderating to do, so burning out isn't much of an
issue.  Not to say that having assistant mods isn't a great idea.

J


GURPS MAGIC is an unmoderated list open to everyone

This material is not official and is not endorsed by Steve Jackson Games,
GURPS is a registered trademark of Steve Jackson Games, All rights are
reserved by SJ Games.
Yahoo! Groups Links

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> At the moment, let's keep the discussion to weather we want to do this or
> not.  Then, once we decide (if we do) we can worry about how...
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt

I like these ideas.  Of course, if I'm not mistaken, I'm the one who
sent them to you.  :-)

I like Missiledine's points too.  Though I'd like to add that once the
current spammers are banned and new members require approval, there
will be far less moderating to do, so burning out isn't much of an
issue.  Not to say that having assistant mods isn't a great idea.

J

To start with Membership needs to require Approval to
stop spammers from automaticaly joining.  Often times
the Id of spammers is easily recognized as having been
machine generated.
Second, the first post of any member needs to be
Moderated.  Only after a new member has demonstrated
that he or she is not a spammer by posting an on topic
message, does the membership become Unmoderated
allowing the member to post freely.
Third, the first time a member posts off topic or spam
they should receive a warning from the moderator.  The
second time they are gone.
Of course this assumes an active moderator or list
owner who regularly checks the group.  I would suggest
that the list owner or moderator seek out several
assistant moderators so that one person does not burn
out or fall behind in monitoring the group.

Missiledine




--- Matthew Miller <blacktop19@...> wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
>
> I wanted to know what everyone thought about a
> couple of ideas that might
> help cut down on the SPAM (unwanted email) on the
> mail list.  The first is
> (if not already in place) allow only email from
> people on the list.  And the
> second is require authorization (from the moderator)
> before allowing someone
> on the list.
>
> At the moment, let's keep the discussion to weather
> we want to do this or
> not.  Then, once we decide (if we do) we can worry
> about how...
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt
>
>
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>
>
> GURPS MAGIC is an unmoderated list open to everyone
>
> This material is not official and is not endorsed by
> Steve Jackson Games, GURPS is a registered trademark
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> SJ Games.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hey Everyone,

I wanted to know what everyone thought about a couple of ideas that might
help cut down on the SPAM (unwanted email) on the mail list.  The first is
(if not already in place) allow only email from people on the list.  And the
second is require authorization (from the moderator) before allowing someone
on the list.

At the moment, let's keep the discussion to weather we want to do this or
not.  Then, once we decide (if we do) we can worry about how...

Sincerely,
Matt

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Hello folks ... I'm back after a long hiatus ...

Well, Steve Jackson & Co have consistently said that there is no money
to be made in modules and gameworlds for them. Having said that, there
are a number of adventures being published through e23 so that becomes
a possibility.

With the 4th Edition, they use Infinite Worlds as the primary
background for all other worlds, designating them as parallels to our
world. Banestorm updates the old Fantasy world of Yrth to the year
2005, and throws a number of twists into it.

In terms of scenarios, someone's done a few Forgotten Realms
adventures for GURPS (4e I believe). Let me dig out the URL for you
... http://www.thalcos.com/archives.htm

So what's new with me ... Well, I'm running a semi-regular GURPS
fantasy game in the old D&D world of Mystara. My players started off
as a group of 5, then dropped to 3 as two fell to family commitments,
and then to 2 as the next player burned out.

So I currently have 2 players (running 3 characters), and I've room
for one or two more. There is a gnomish mage/trickster, an human
ranger/assassin and a human mercenary in the party, who have just
managed to rescue the local godar from a band of Orcs.

Let's just say that when you get the drop on someone, (having an
illusionist with Illusion Disguise tends to give you the advantage),
GURPS combat can be very lethal.

Well, I'll quickly sign off but I'll be back to chat with the old
regulars from here.

Gareth

--- In gurps_magic@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Adams" <abrigon@...> wrote:
>
> Is it true that Gurps seems to lack ready made worlds?
> Ready made modules? Or just lists of scenarios?
>
> If so anyone like to work on creating some for it?
>
> Fantasy
> Horror
> Sci-Fi
> Western
>
>
> Mike
> Alaska
>

you welcome

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Hope you enjoy. ;)

Another list, not this one. I think it was .. I forget now..
Just wanted to make sure.. It may have to do with other issues,
such as how come D20 was doing better in some peoples eyes, or
the Palladium issues of late, or .. not sure..


Paul, http://www.gcod.net cool.

www.missiledine.com  Hum..

Sorry, it was from another list, the comment, and was just
wonder if it was valid to peoples minds..

So sounds like the complaint was unfounded, cool

Me, like to do some game world, or scenario work, but long
story.. I am okay with ideas, but loosy putting them down and
need help from local friends, but they are all D20, so .  best
of luck on your worlds..

Now have to remember which list I heard the "complaint" from and
have them eat some of their words..

Mke


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