On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 04:11:41 -0400 "WolfieFox" <redfolf@...>
writes:
> Wow.  That's a lot of sectors.

Yes it is.

> Being relatively new to the whole Traveller thing, I know absolutely
> nothing about the whole area, although some things have caught
> my attention.

Here is a brief history of the area in regards to Zhodani Core Route.

The Zhodani are a race of humans that were transplanted from earth to
Zhdant, the Zhodani home world, by the Ancients. There they survived the
final war of the Ancients and eventually became a major race after
developing jump drive. Eventually they found the Zhodani Map Device.

Zhodani Map Device: In the Ruins of the old Ancient Site on Zhdant, the
Zhodani found a small device which could project a 3D starmap which
covered a corridor 8.000 parsecs long and 30 parsecs wide aimed coreward.
The artifact also proved to be a strong psionic focus for only the most
talented psions (less than 1/10.000) managed to have it reveal more
accurate data, such as clearer visions of ships and star constellations
somewhere the mapped route. When these visions proved to be true
reflections of reality, the device was made a state-secret overnight, to
be used only under very strictly controlled circumstances. This device
has been one of the main reasons for the Zhodani to launch their Core
Expeditions.

> Like...what's this region of Barren Worlds?

A region of space that did not naturally develop intelligent life.

> And why is the Galactic Core all red-zoned?

Radiation levels of the Galactic Core are higher than any ships shielding
can protect the crew from. It does not mean that you can't go to the
worlds in question. But it is good to have a death wish if you do.

> And how come the Zhodani Core Route seems to take such...illogical
> paths, almost meandering around?  Are there interstellar governments in

> there somewhere that stood in their way so they had to go around them?

In reality there are many alien races on the core path. The description
and anything else about the races has been left blank for the individual
Game Master to place anything he/she chooses on the core path.

If you wish to justify a large detour of the core path as going around an
interstellar empire that the Zho's wanted to avoid, do so.

You are free to justify how and why the core path wanders as it does in
your own fashion.

> Ah, and, ummm, is there any actual published information on this
> corridor across the galaxy?  I'd hate to be asking dumb questions
> about things that are well published, just because I haven't gotten
> around to picking up enough of essential books yet.

There is very little information, until my project, about the core route.
The most information that I have, I don't have all of the Classic
Traveller reprints yet, is found in GURPS Traveller: Alien Races 1.

> Well, that's enough for now, I suppose.
>
> WolfieFox

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hi...a newie to the lists....have been a traveller GM
off and on for ever...but new to the net, so still
compiling from the old databases....im a TNE fan im
afraid...so pretty much everything i do is linked to
that Genre....but willing to share thoughts files etc
with anyone interested..so far i dont have a web page,
so none of my stuffs available for general grabbing,
but willing to pursue this line further (to be honest,
as TNE is a very defunct system, didnt think itd be
too useful to others). anyway, hope to commune with a
few of you over time...im a writer and storyteller by
trade, so its setting and mood im good at...bye for
now.

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Subject: [galactic] newie


hi...a newie to the lists....have been a traveller GM
off and on for ever...but new to the net, so still
compiling from the old databases....im a TNE fan im
afraid...so pretty much everything i do is linked to
that Genre....but willing to share thoughts files etc
with anyone interested..so far i dont have a web page,
so none of my stuffs available for general grabbing,
but willing to pursue this line further (to be honest,
as TNE is a very defunct system, didnt think itd be
too useful to others). anyway, hope to commune with a
few of you over time...im a writer and storyteller by
trade, so its setting and mood im good at...bye for
now.

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> There is a mailing list dedicated to keeping TNE alive

yep and thanks for pointing it out...will be there with gusto
>

Greetings All,
	 I have taken the data from the Core Website on the Delphi Sector and
entered it into Galactic.
	 I have no intention of developing this sector and leave it for someone
else to do so. The original data is included.

The Delphi.zip file can be found on the "Project 001-A: Available Sectors
for Galactic" page.
http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route/proj001a.html

Thanks for your time,

Clifford Linehan - cnl.rubicon@...
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Developing the Zhodani Core Fleet.

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From: clifford n linehan <cnl.rubicon@...>

<<Greetings All,
I have taken the data from the Core Website on the Delphi Sector and
entered it into Galactic.
I have no intention of developing this sector and leave it for someone
else to do so. The original data is included.

The Delphi.zip file can be found on the "Project 001-A: Available Sectors
for Galactic" page.
http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route/proj001a.html

Thanks for your time,

Clifford Linehan - cnl.rubicon@...
http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route
Developed Vlanchiets Qlom and the Zhodani Core Route.
Developing the Zhodani Core Fleet.>>

Hey, Clifford,

I had done so about a year ago and emailed the sar to Jim Vassilakos. :)
Guess Traveller GMs think alike. BTW, nice work on the Zhodani Core sectors.

Enjoy,
Jason


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umm...ok, im new to this computer type stuff...im having trouble
importing the delphi SAR file to Gal....keep getting a "pathway not
found to module arch" warning....any suggestions for the technically
inept?
bryan grivell

The basics are...

1. The delphi.sar file should be in your Galactic directory.

2. Run Galactic and then enter Starmaps.

3. Choose which Galaxy you want to update and then press I (for import),
when you are positioned over the relevant sector. (In your case Delphi).

4. A list of available Sar files should appear, type in delphi.sar.

Hope this helps.

Ambassador Salohcindoow
Noyclah Oytrip
Andor, Five Sisters, Spinward Marches

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Subject: [galactic] delphi sector


> umm...ok, im new to this computer type stuff...im having trouble
> importing the delphi SAR file to Gal....keep getting a "pathway not
> found to module arch" warning....any suggestions for the technically
> inept?
> bryan grivell
>
>
>
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Jason Kemp <flynnwd@...>
writes:
> Hey, Clifford,
>
> I had done so about a year ago and emailed the sar to Jim
> Vassilakos. :)

Well, why don't you send me a copy of your Delphi.sar file and I will put
it on my web page with all the proper credits.

> Guess Traveller GMs think alike. BTW, nice work on the Zhodani Core
> sectors.

Thanks.

> Enjoy,
> Jason


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> Hope this helps.
>
> Ambassador Salohcindoow
> Noyclah Oytrip
> Andor, Five Sisters, Spinward Marches
>
it did...also, was attempting to dump into new era maps rather than
classic...*sigh* well, we live and hopefully learn....> >
> >
> >

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the galactic
group.

   File        : /Reaversd.zip
   Uploaded by : legate@...
   Description : Reaver's Deep Sector, incomplete.

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic/files/Reaversd.zip

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

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Regards,

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the galactic
group.

   File        : /Reavers.uwp
   Uploaded by : legate@...
   Description : The File that I built the SAR from.

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic/files/Reavers.uwp

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>Hello,

>  File        : /Reaversd.zip
>  Uploaded by : legate@...
>  Description : Reaver's Deep Sector, incomplete.


     I just uploaded this, & well it is majorly incomplete, but then I am
running from the UWP file, as I cannot find most of my Traveller stuff, so
if a kind soul wants to help me out, I would love it.

~Fleet Captain Jaime Wolfe.
~CO USS Stephan Decatur.
~CO 13th Fleet.

"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. " - Sir Winston
Churchill

Legate Legion wrote:
>
> From: galactic@yahoogroups.com <galactic@yahoogroups.com>
>
> >Hello,
>
> >  File        : /Reaversd.zip
> >  Uploaded by : legate@...
> >  Description : Reaver's Deep Sector, incomplete.
>
>     I just uploaded this, & well it is majorly incomplete, but then I am
> running from the UWP file, as I cannot find most of my Traveller stuff, so
> if a kind soul wants to help me out, I would love it.

You might want to drop by my site, www.crosswinds.net/~erisr and
grab the SAR I've got of the Reavers Deep sector. I've got a lot,
almost all in fact, of the data from the Sector Book already
keyed in.  I've been working on sectors neighboring RD lately, I
have Daibei and Dark Nebula too, but they aren't up on the site
yet. Planning that for next week.

Also find Jimmy Simpson's site. He has the RD data in a web
searchable format.

Eris

From: Eris Reddoch <eris@...>

>You might want to drop by my site, www.crosswinds.net/~erisr and
>grab the SAR I've got of the Reavers Deep sector. I've got a lot,
>almost all in fact, of the data from the Sector Book already
>keyed in.  I've been working on sectors neighboring RD lately, I
>have Daibei and Dark Nebula too, but they aren't up on the site
>yet. Planning that for next week.


     Very nice, Eris.
     Could you send me the zip files of both Diabei & Dark Nebula?

Rude Word !!,  I have been working been working on the Delphi Sector for over a
year.  There is also a Delphi working group on JTAS, but they have decided to go
their own way and ignore my work.

I have named all of the planets and worked up most of the history and stars for
Subsector B.  It is still not in a workable state yet though because I am mostly
working on a High Guard Battle Simulator, and at odd times looking at a Windows
based Gal.  If I succeed in the latter I will ensure that it will run on Linux
as
well as I now have a copy of Kylix.  I will try to write my Delphi code to be
compatible.  This could be difficult as my current thinking requires the use of
Windows API calls that won't work under Linux.

Clive Essery

clifford n linehan wrote:

> Greetings All,
>         I have taken the data from the Core Website on the Delphi Sector and
> entered it into Galactic.
>         I have no intention of developing this sector and leave it for someone
> else to do so. The original data is included.
>
> The Delphi.zip file can be found on the "Project 001-A: Available Sectors
> for Galactic" page.
> http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route/proj001a.html
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Clifford Linehan - cnl.rubicon@...
> http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route
> Developed Vlanchiets Qlom and the Zhodani Core Route.
> Developing the Zhodani Core Fleet.
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What's New Page

May 08, 2001:
+001 /-001 : Delphi Sector. . . . . . : REMOVED : Currently being
developed by Clive Essery (cgessery (at) netcomuk.co.uk)

----------------------------------------------

Mr. Essery,

	 I apologize.

	 As you can see from the entry above, that also appears on my web page, I
have removed my entry of Delphi Sector from my web page.

	 It was never my intention to devalue your efforts and work on Delphi.
Had I known of your efforts I would have picked another sector. I shall
be more careful in the future.

	 I offer the following proposal to you.
	 1. You complete your work on Delphi Sector.
	 2. Send your data in some sort of text format to me.
	 3. I will enter it into Galactic and make it available on my web site.
	 4. Or I will send it to you for your web site where I can link to it.

	 Again, I apologize.

Clifford Linehan - cnl.rubicon@...
http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route
Developed Vlanchiets Qlom and the Zhodani Core Route.
Developing the Zhodani Core Fleet.


On Wed, 09 May 2001 00:08:20 +0100 Clive Essery <cgessery@...>
writes:
> Rude Word !!,  I have been working been working on the Delphi Sector
> for over a year.  There is also a Delphi working group on JTAS, but
they
> have decided to go their own way and ignore my work.
>
> I have named all of the planets and worked up most of the history
> and stars for Subsector B.  It is still not in a workable state yet
though
> because I am mostly working on a High Guard Battle Simulator, and
> at odd times looking at a Windows based Gal.  If I succeed in the
latter
> I will ensure that it will run on Linux as well as I now have a copy of
Kylix.
> I will try to write my Delphi code to be compatible.  This could be
difficult
> as my current thinking requires the use of Windows API calls that won't
> work under Linux.
>
> Clive Essery

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> Rude Word !!,  I have been working been working on the Delphi Sector
> for over a year.  There is also a Delphi working group on JTAS, but
> they have decided to go their own way and ignore my work.

It looks to me that the JTAS Delphi project is a dead.  I doubt it will come to
much.  Its the problem with working with a committee, too much discussion, and
not enough writing.  I thought there were some good ideas, but it kind of fell
apart.


Lewis Roberts
-------------------------------------------------
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A: Corn flakes.

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-------------------------------------------------

That's OK Clifford.  I was a little T'd off because the JTAS team have decided
to
work that Sector as well and aren't in the slightest interested in any of the
concepts that I have come up with.

The work that I have done to date are:

Assigned names to all of the unnamed stars.
Worked up a very small number of systems outside Sub-sector B.  These can safely
be
thrown away, I have no huge interest in any of them yet, it was just some ideas
that
sprang into my mind seeing the oddball stats.
Subsector B is very well worked up with stats for most of the systems, and a
short
history of the last century or two - I haven't worked out quite how long it
would
take to set up the Pocket Empires yet.

The History of Subsector B is that it was originally populated some time ago by
some
unknown group with near humans that could exist on the mainly poor atmosphere
planets.  In more recent times an expedition led by a mad computer science
professor
(Esworthy) and his Geneticist wife entered the subsector and set up a Pocket
Empire
in the east.  They had at the time been fleeing Imperial control.

Later another group of humans (calling themselves the En-Ri) fleeing the
expanding
Imperium set up there own Pocket Empire in the west.  When the two empires
collide a
war breaks out that lasts for three years, having rapidly become stalemated.

At this point the Imperium arrive in the subsector.  They meet the En-Ri first
who
destroy the scout ships.  A Light CruRon that searches for the lost scouts is
also
destroyed, but not before a ship returns to the nearest Imperium forces.  The
BatRon
that reaches En-Ri space destroys two of the four En-Ri Battle Fleets, breaking
the
stalemate.  The Esworthy clan, seeing the destruction caused by a single BatRon,
decides to swear allegiance to the Imperium and is given control of the
subsector by
the Imperium forces, including the defeated En-Ri.

I have a lot of the data in the Gal system already, which could be archived and
uploaded, but the High Guard Data for the two fleets and the history of the war
is
mostly stored in Excel and Word.

Clive
====================================================

clifford n linehan wrote:

> Traveller® The Core Route Projects
> What's New Page
>
> May 08, 2001:
> +001 /-001 : Delphi Sector. . . . . . : REMOVED : Currently being
> developed by Clive Essery (cgessery (at) netcomuk.co.uk)
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Mr. Essery,
>
>         I apologize.
>
>         As you can see from the entry above, that also appears on my web page,
I
> have removed my entry of Delphi Sector from my web page.
>
>         It was never my intention to devalue your efforts and work on Delphi.
> Had I known of your efforts I would have picked another sector. I shall
> be more careful in the future.
>
>         I offer the following proposal to you.
>         1. You complete your work on Delphi Sector.
>         2. Send your data in some sort of text format to me.
>         3. I will enter it into Galactic and make it available on my web site.
>         4. Or I will send it to you for your web site where I can link to it.
>
>         Again, I apologize.
>
> Clifford Linehan - cnl.rubicon@...
> http://www.geocities.com/traveller_core_route
> Developed Vlanchiets Qlom and the Zhodani Core Route.
> Developing the Zhodani Core Fleet.
>
> On Wed, 09 May 2001 00:08:20 +0100 Clive Essery <cgessery@...>
> writes:
> > Rude Word !!,  I have been working been working on the Delphi Sector
> > for over a year.  There is also a Delphi working group on JTAS, but
> they
> > have decided to go their own way and ignore my work.
> >
> > I have named all of the planets and worked up most of the history
> > and stars for Subsector B.  It is still not in a workable state yet
> though
> > because I am mostly working on a High Guard Battle Simulator, and
> > at odd times looking at a Windows based Gal.  If I succeed in the
> latter
> > I will ensure that it will run on Linux as well as I now have a copy of
> Kylix.
> > I will try to write my Delphi code to be compatible.  This could be
> difficult
> > as my current thinking requires the use of Windows API calls that won't
> > work under Linux.
> >
> > Clive Essery
>
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True, I haven't even bothered to check back on any progress in the last two
months.  I wasn't convinced about some of their ideas - too many changes without
attempting to use the original stats.  I will admit I have changed the original
stats slightly - what I did was to move one number from one system to a very
nearby
system, thus making more reasonable systems out of them, such as a high
population
planet with some air and water.  I think there was originally a planet with 10
Billion population at TL 3 on  a planet with no water or air!

I just moved the numbers around a bit to make things seem more reasonable.

The JTAS project replaced most of the stats on most of the systems completely.


Clive
=======================================

Lewis Roberts wrote:

> > Rude Word !!,  I have been working been working on the Delphi Sector
> > for over a year.  There is also a Delphi working group on JTAS, but
> > they have decided to go their own way and ignore my work.
>
> It looks to me that the JTAS Delphi project is a dead.  I doubt it will come
to
> much.  Its the problem with working with a committee, too much discussion, and
> not enough writing.  I thought there were some good ideas, but it kind of fell
> apart.
>
> Lewis Roberts
> -------------------------------------------------
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> A: Corn flakes.
>
> lewis@...
> -------------------------------------------------
>
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Clive Essery writes:

> The JTAS project replaced most of the stats on most of the systems
> completely.

The problem is that delphi sector has a problem with duplicate UWPs
(Zarushagar has the same problem).  There are 17 UWPs that occur twice,
and 5 that occur 3 times.  If you only consider the middle digits (exclude
port and tl) we see the following duplicate sets:
29 *100433-*
23 *525677-*
16 *331721-*
15 *100434-*
11 *527587-*
and multiple smaller patterns.  47% of the worlds in the sector are
duplicates if you ignore the port and TL; 27% are part of sets of more than
ten duplicates.  This is an admitted problem with the program which did the
original data generation.  What the delphi project did was run a scrambler
over the files which detected and mildly tweaked all duplicate UWPs.

ok...with regard to sector workups, i assume someone must have seen
"Anthonys maps sites" by now....as a relative newcomer to this (and
hence not privy to the heyday of my own particular bent-TNE), ive
found the place to be an ideal central reference to work from....and
by the sector source acknowledgements, it seems he draws his data
from a lot of the old working groups. Could anyone more "in tune"
with the canon/non canon thing fill me in on this?
Drifter(no poolside, its winter)

On Sat, 19 May 2001 03:31:38 -0000, you wrote:

>ok...with regard to sector workups, i assume someone must have seen
>"Anthonys maps sites" by now....as a relative newcomer to this (and
>hence not privy to the heyday of my own particular bent-TNE), ive
>found the place to be an ideal central reference to work from....and
>by the sector source acknowledgements, it seems he draws his data
>from a lot of the old working groups. Could anyone more "in tune"
>with the canon/non canon thing fill me in on this?
>Drifter(no poolside, its winter)

I don't recall having seen this site.  Could you please post a URL?
--
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> I don't recall having seen this site.  Could you please post a URL?
> --
> Jeff Zeitlin
ok, its http://maps.grandsurvey.com .....seems to be done up for
GURPS trav trade routes, and has a LOT of sectors on board...hope you
enjoy.
Drift

On Sat, 19 May 2001 16:02:05 -0000, you wrote:

>> I don't recall having seen this site.  Could you please post a URL?

>ok, its http://maps.grandsurvey.com .....seems to be done up for
>GURPS trav trade routes, and has a LOT of sectors on board...hope you
>enjoy.

Thank'ee kindly.  Also being added to the Freelance Traveller links page.
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drifter_poolside@... writes:
> ok...with regard to sector workups, i assume someone must have seen
> "Anthonys maps sites" by now....as a relative newcomer to this (and
> hence not privy to the heyday of my own particular bent-TNE), ive
> found the place to be an ideal central reference to work from....and
> by the sector source acknowledgements, it seems he draws his data
> from a lot of the old working groups. Could anyone more "in tune"
> with the canon/non canon thing fill me in on this?
> Drifter(no poolside, its winter)

In general, the degrees of canonicity are as follows:
Spinward Marches, Solomani Rim: classic traveller stuff.
7x5 area with corners at Spinward Marches, Empty Quarter, Spica, Staihaia-yo:
based on various Genii files, or on work indirectly based on those files.  To
the best of my knowledge, UWPs are accurate per Atlas of the Imperium, as are
the names of HiPop worlds.  Alliegance codes should be considered suspect,
the original files were Megatraveller-era alliegances, which I converted
back to CT-era mostly by guess.  Names of small worlds should be considered
dubious canon.
Gvurrdon Sector: I believe this was published in V&V.
Other sectors: usually highly non-canonical, use at your own risk.  In
particular, I'd sort of recommend discarding all of the maps rimward of
the Imperium, there's some _very_ suspect data.  I try to indicate my
sources in the sector data files.

On 21 May 2001, at 9:15, Anthony Jackson wrote:

> In general, the degrees of canonicity are as follows:
> Spinward Marches, Solomani Rim: classic traveller stuff.
> 7x5 area with corners at Spinward Marches, Empty Quarter, Spica, Staihaia-yo:
> based on various Genii files, or on work indirectly based on those files.  To
> the best of my knowledge, UWPs are accurate per Atlas of the Imperium, as are
> the names of HiPop worlds.  Alliegance codes should be considered suspect, the
> original files were Megatraveller-era alliegances, which I converted back to
> CT-era mostly by guess.  Names of small worlds should be considered dubious
> canon. Gvurrdon Sector: I believe this was published in V&V. Other sectors:
> usually highly non-canonical, use at your own risk.  In particular, I'd sort
of
> recommend discarding all of the maps rimward of the Imperium, there's some
> _very_ suspect data.  I try to indicate my sources in the sector data files.

For example the Canopus data is from the Core site. It seems to be based on an
early version of the Canopus sector that I did (found in Galactic), judging by
the Subsector names. Closer comparison suggests that it's the version before I
altered two subsectors so that they'd actually have something left in then in
TNE after collapsing.

I used a scan of the dot map from Cats 'n' Rats to place the systems (and the
Core version is the same or very nearly so), and they weren't the clearest. I
found about two system names in canon, which I can't remember right now, but
should be in the data somewhere. I think one had a UWP, which I also used.

Aside from that the data was made from whole cloth, using Galactic, so aside
from world placement and two system names and one UWP the only relation to
canon is that I used the official system generation method to manufacture the
UWPs.

--
"Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@...>

A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.

At 09:15 AM 5/21/2001 -0700, Anthony wrote:
>Gvurrdon Sector: I believe this was published in V&V.

Gvurrdon was published in GDW's Alien Module 3: Vargr.

Jimmy Simpson                        nimrodd@...
http://home.earthlink.net/~nimrodd/LibraryData.htm
Home of the Reavers' Deep Library Data

On Mon, 21 May 2001 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>drifter_poolside@... writes:
>> ok...with regard to sector workups, i assume someone must have seen
>> "Anthonys maps sites" by now....as a relative newcomer to this (and
>> hence not privy to the heyday of my own particular bent-TNE), ive
>> found the place to be an ideal central reference to work from....and
>> by the sector source acknowledgements, it seems he draws his data
>> from a lot of the old working groups. Could anyone more "in tune"
>> with the canon/non canon thing fill me in on this?
>> Drifter(no poolside, its winter)

>In general, the degrees of canonicity are as follows:
>Spinward Marches, Solomani Rim: classic traveller stuff.
>7x5 area with corners at Spinward Marches, Empty Quarter, Spica, Staihaia-yo:
>based on various Genii files, or on work indirectly based on those files.  To
>the best of my knowledge, UWPs are accurate per Atlas of the Imperium, as are
>the names of HiPop worlds.  Alliegance codes should be considered suspect,
>the original files were Megatraveller-era alliegances, which I converted
>back to CT-era mostly by guess.  Names of small worlds should be considered
>dubious canon.
>Gvurrdon Sector: I believe this was published in V&V.

Classic Traveller Vargr Alien Module (#3?)

>Other sectors: usually highly non-canonical, use at your own risk.  In
particular,
>I'd sort of recommend discarding all of the maps rimward of
>the Imperium, there's some _very_ suspect data.  I try to indicate my
>sources in the sector data files.

I can't speak to Anthony's map site, or to the data in Galactic, but the
two DGP alien books - V&V and S&A - provided some dot maps for positions of
stars.  I tend to want to consider those to be essentially canonical, and
any data that doesn't match positions to be questionable at best.  There
was some area rimward of the Aslan, Solomani, and Hiver that was mapped
this way; also mapped were the entire Extents and the entire Hierate.
--
Jeff Zeitlin
jzeitlin@...
(ILink: news without the abuse. Ask via email.)

Traveller Sector Information
This document represents a compilation of known published sector data for
the Traveller Universe and is maintained at
http://www.prairienet.org/~dmckinne/sector.html.

Compiled by Donald McKinney, updated 03/15/2001

ABBREV MAGAZINE TITLE
CH Challenge
FT Far Trader
HP High Passage
IL Imperiallines
IS Imperium Staple
JTAS Journal of the Travellers' Aid Society
MTJ MegaTraveller Journal
TC Traveller Chronicle
TD Travellers' Digest
TI Third Imperium

ABBREV TIMELINE PERIOD
M0 Milleu Zero Timeline (approx. -5 to 30)
CT Classic Traveller Timeline (approx. 1100 to 1115)
GT GURPS:Traveller Timeline (1120, no Rebellion)
RT Rebellion Timeline (approx. 1117 to 1130)
VT Virus Timeline (approx. 1201)



Sector Name  Information Available
Alpha Crucis HIWG renames this Alpha Leonis.
			 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Amdukan  Location specified in Alien Module 2 - K'kree (CT).
			 Hiraku (G) subsector in CH #52 (RT).
Antares  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Shurlarlem (E) subsector in CH #69 (RT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Core 	 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Core (G) subsector and library data in TD #8 (CT).
			 Bunkeria (I), Cemplas (J) subsectors and library
data in TD #9 (CT).
			 Chant (K) and Cadion (M) subsectors in TD #10 (CT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Corridor  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Ian (E) subsector and library data in TD #3 (CT).
			 Full sector details in TD #18 (RT).
Crucis Margin Full sector details in Judges Guild materials [non-canon].
Dagudashag 	 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Unknown info in issues of Signal GK fanzine (CT/RT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Daibei  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Hermes (N) subsector, xboat map and library data in
TD #15 (CT).
Dark Nebula  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium [Solomani worlds
marked Imperial] (CT).
			 Kilrai' (G) subsector, trade routes and library data
in TD #17 (CT).
			 Full sector details in Solomani and Aslan (RT).
Delphi  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Eta-Gu (M) subsector in CH #45 (RT).
			 Declared referee expansion area by Milleu 0 Campaign
(M0).
Deneb 	 Stapelhurst Deneb Sector charity product
[non-canon].
			 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Pretoria (A) subsector and library data in TD #1
(CT).
			 Atsah (H) subsector details in TD #2 (CT).
			 Sector map and library data in TD #19 (RT).
			 Full sector details in MTJ #3 (RT).
			 Full sector details in Regency Sourcebook (VT).
Diaspora  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Full sector details in Astrogator's Guide to
Diaspora Sector (RT).
			 Khavle (D) and Pasdaruu (H) subsectors detailed in
Hard Times (1125).
			 Library data in TC #2-5 (RT).
			 Narquel (?) and Shadigi (?) in CH #64.
			 Sufren (C) subsector in CH #76 and TNE Referee
Shield (VT).
			 Full sector details in TNE Deluxe Boxed set (RT/VT).
			 Promise (L) and Khulam (P) subsectors in Star
Vikings (VT).
			 Promise (L) and Khulam (P) subsectors in Path of
Tears (VT).
			 D, H and L subsectors in Vampire Fleets (VT).
			 O subsector in The Gilded Lily (VT).
Ealiyasiyw  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Full sector details in TD #18 (RT).
Empty Quarter Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Far Frontiers Jungleblut (O) subsector and library data in Trail of the
Sky Raiders (CT).
			 Some additional material appeared in Ares magazine
(CT).
			 Antedeluvia (I) and Alsas (J) subsectors in TC #2
(RT).
			 Taemerlyk (K), Vulvek (L) and Wulfek (M) subsectors
in TC #3 (RT).
			 Cabala (N), Jungleblut (O) and Mnemosyne (P)
subsectors in TC #4 (RT).
			 Detsiaiem (A) and Ienji (B) subsectors in TC #5
(RT).
			 Naianch (C), Qiedrkia (D) and Pia (E) subsectors in
TC #6 (RT).
			 Additional library data in TC #7 (RT).
Foreven  Two worlds located in Double Adventure 5 - The Chamax
Plague/Horde (CT).
			 Reidan (L) subsector in IS #6 (CT).
			 Urnian (P) subsector in IS #7 (CT).
			 Piah (O) subsector in IS #10 (CT).
			 Sector map, declared referee expansion area in IL #1
(CT).
			 Some details in Assignment: Vigilante (RT).
Fornast  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Declared referee expansion area by Milleu 0 Campaign
(M0).
Gateway  Location specified in Alien Module 2 - K'kree (CT).
			 Full sector details in MTJ #4 (CT/RT).
Glimmerdrift Reaches Sector details in Judges Guild materials
[non-canon].
			 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Gushemege  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
			 Some details in The Long Way Home (M0).
Gvurrdon  Sector map and system data in Alien Module 3 - Vargr
(CT).
Hinterworlds Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Full sector details in CH #39 (CT/RT).
Hlakhoi  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Ilelish  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Iwahfuah  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium [lower half of
map has repeating pattern error] (CT).
Ley 	 Sector details in Judges Guild materials
[non-canon].
			 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Lishun  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Shuna (I) subsector, xboat map and library data in
TD #6 (CT).
			 Masionia (F) subsector and library data in TD #7
(CT).
			 Subsectors A and partial E in Flaming Eye (RT).
			 Ot Zell (L) subsector in CH #71 (VT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Magyar  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Blackjack (N) subsector, xboat map and library data
in TD #14 [xboat map incorrect, ignores Imperial/Solomani border] (CT/RT).
Massilia  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Shiwonee (J) subsector, xboat map and library data
in TD #11 (CT).
			 Full sector details in Knightfall [some typos in
data] (RT).
			 Subsector A in TNE rulebook (VT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Mendan  Location given in Alien Module 3 - Vargr (CT).
			 Full sector details in CH #49 (RT).
Meshan  Subsector M in North Coast Role Playing #4 (CT).
			 Old Expanses Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium
(CT).
			 Dethenes (A) subsector in HP #1 (CT).
			 So Skire (O) subsector in HP #2 (CT).
			 Dethenes (A) and Ile (H) subsectors in HP #3 (CT).
			 Ahrhi (C) subsector in HP #4 (CT).
			 Shenk (J) subsector in HP #5 (CT).
			 Dethenes (A) subsector, xboat map and library data
in TD #12 (CT).
			 Thoezennt (I) and Shenk (J) subsectors in Star
Vikings (VT).
			 I, J, M and N subsectors in Path of Tears (VT).
Provence  Location specified in Alien Module 3 - Vargr (CT).
			 Sector map in Vilani and Vargr (RT).
Reavers' Deep Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Sector info in HP #5 (CT).
			 Ea (J) subsector in FT #1 (CT).
			 Scotian Deep (F) subsector in FT #2 (CT).
			 Some material in Andrew Keith Gamelords adventures
(CT).
			 Drexilthar (K) subsector in Pilot's Guide to the
Drexilthar Subsector (CT).
			 Urlaqqash (L) subsector, xboat map and library data
in TD #16 (CT).
			 Caledon (G) subsector and library data in TC #5 and
TC #7 (VT).
			 Unknown information in TC #6 (VT).
			 Portions of K/L/O/P subsectors in Letters of Marque
(CT).
Reft 	 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Islands subsectors (J/K) in Supplement 5 - Trillion
Credit Squadron (CT).
			 Sector map and library data in TD #20 (RT).
			 Full sector details in MTJ #3 (RT).
			 A-G, J and K subsectors in Regency Sourcebook [some
physical contradictions with earlier material] (VT).
Riftspan Reaches Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Sector map and library data in TD #19 (RT).
Solomani Rim Full sector details in Supplement 10 - The Solomani Rim
(CT).
			 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Library data in TD #13 (CT).
			 Full sector details in Alien Module 6 - Solomani
(CT).
			 Full sector details in TC #10 and #11 (VT).
			 Corrections to TC #10-11 in TC #12 (VT).
			 Full sector details in Rim of Fire (GT).
Spica 	 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Spinward Marches Full sector details in Supplement 3 - The Spinward
Marches (CT).
			 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Full sector details in The Spinward Marches Campaign
(CT).
			 Additional details in CT/MT adventures and
supplements (CT).
			 Full sector details in MTJ #3 (RT).
			 Full sector details in Regency Sourcebook (VT).
			 Full sector details in Behind the Claw (GT).
Staihaia'yo  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
The Beyond  Sector details in Paranoia Press materials (CT)
[questionable canon].
			 Different sector information in Solomani and Aslan
(RT).
Trojan Reach Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Egryn (B) and Pax Rulin (C) subsectors in Adventure
4 - Leviathan (CT).
			 Sindral (G) subsector detailed in TI #1 (CT).
			 Tlaiowaha (K) subsector detailed in TI #2 (CT).
			 Gazulin (D) subsector detailed in TI #3 (CT).
			 Borderland (L) subsector detailed in TI #4 (CT).
			 Tobia (H) subsector detailed in TI #5 (CT).
			 Dpres (F) subsector detailed in TI #7 (CT).
			 Yggdrasil (E) subsector detailed in TI #8 (CT).
			 Nora'a (I) subsector detailed in TI #9 (RT).
			 Goertel (J) subsector detailed in TI #10 (RT).
			 Menorial (A) subsector detailed in TI #11 (RT).
			 Sector map and library data in TD #20 (RT).
			 Full sector details in MTJ #3 (RT).
			 C, D, G and H subsectors in Regency Sourcebook (VT).

Tuglikki  Location specified in Alien Module 3 - Vargr (CT).
			 Sector map in Vilani and Vargr (RT).
Vanguard Reaches Location shown in Alien Module 1 - Aslan (CT).
			 Sector details in Paranoia Press materials
[questionable canon].
Verge 	 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
Vland 	 Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Kagamira (F) subsector details in TD #4 (CT).
			 Vland (G) subsector details, library data, xboat map
in TD #5 (CT).
			 Full sector details in Vilani and Vargr (RT).
			 Unknown info in Flaming Eye (RT).
			 System data in Milleu 0 Campaign (M0).
Windhorn  Location specified in Alien Module 3 - Vargr (CT).
			 Some info in Flaming Eye (RT).
Zarushagar  Sector map in Atlas of the Imperium (CT).
			 Khipge (F) subsector in MT Referees Gaming Kit (RT).
			 Wolf (K) and Oasis (L) subsectors in TD #21 (RT).
			 Declared referee expansion area in Milleu 0 Campaign
(M0).