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RE: [eurobrit] Re: is this a legal move?

>I'm sure there are conventions in reading game rules--have to be--but "not
all that

>uncommon" doesn't make it. Yet I'm sure that the root of many rules
confusions is

>assuming that "this set of rules is like that set of rules". I am quite
literal-minded,

>don't try to read between the lines like some people, maybe that helps me.
It would

>really be a bad idea, I think, to try to write rules for people who "read
between the lines".

>Rules are like technical writing, there shouldn't be any reading between
the lines.



I'm not sure if I'm being accused of something sinister here or not. J



I'll simply state this - if a rules writer intends to explicitly allow or
disallow something, then it really needs to be explicit in the rules
written. My conclusion (although not your intent) isn't unreasonable with
the rules as presented. Nor is the alternative conclusion. The rules are
simply unclear in this area because there is literally no mention of armies
continuing to move in the rules presented. And the example provided in the
rules also doesn't speak to the specific situation. Nor did the AH rules,
as I recall.



That's not a huge flaw in the game - it's a reasonably rare situation that
often isn't even a factor because other legal moves produce the same
results. Coming out of Wales or moving into Scotland are about the only
times that it's likely to occur.



It's not "reading between the lines," it's trying to interpret what's
actually there.



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Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:43 pm

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Arthur+2cav +2inf start in dyf, A+2c+2rb move to gwe,then hwi, all easy so far- then from hwi 1cav goes to nom, the other goes to som and the 2rb inf+A go to...
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In a message dated 6/29/2009 4:10:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ltaper@... writes: Arthur+2cav +2inf start in dyf, A+2c+2rb move to gwe,then hwi,...
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I think it is legal, and I'm the guy it's going to hurt... Scott ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Scott C. Nolan
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The rules in the original printing are unclear, but imply it's not legal. The benefits of being with a leader are for armies that "accompany" that leader. The...
Ken Agress
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Jun 29, 2009
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If they accompany the leader while they make the move, the move is legal, even if they later part ways with the leader. Isn't accompany pretty clear? It...
Lewis Pulsipher
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Jun 29, 2009
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It is your game of course but I would argue that when the leader goes one way without the cavalry, the cavalry has been dropped off - ie their move is over....
Matthew Taylor
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Jun 29, 2009
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Well, to me, if it doesn't say the unit must accompany the leader during its **entire** move, why would you assume that? It's the assumption that creates the...
Lewis Pulsipher
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... its ... I'd say because it's not all that uncommon a convention for movement with leaders in games. You're correct that it's an assumption, but it's not...
Ken Agress
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I'm sure there are conventions in reading game rules--have to be--but "not all that uncommon" doesn't make it. Yet I'm sure that the root of many rules...
Lewis Pulsipher
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... all that ... confusions is ... literal-minded, ... It would ... between the lines". ... the lines. I'm not sure if I'm being accused of something sinister...
Ken Agress
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There ya go - we played it wrong. As I said, it's simply unclear. "Accompany" can be read as "for the portion of the move where the leader is needed." Or it...
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