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#9146 From: tomcusworth@...
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 4:49 am
Subject: Re: DGWiki
tomcusworth
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In a message dated 31/03/2005 12:44:53 GMT Daylight Time,
EHuelshoff@... writes:

Thanks!  That's nice.



Eckhard




It's all part of the service.
-Tom


"Blessed are the cheapskates, for they shall see God & still  have change of
a  fiver".

http://www.geocities.com/spinward1093/



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#9147 From: James Knevitt <jknevitt@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: Toddlerpedes
jknevitt
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Creeeeepy.

#9148 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 9:07 pm
Subject: Tiger transit eliminating competition?
rusrayburn@...
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Or some military advisors attempting to shore up their retirement plan?

http://reuters.myway.com//article/20050401/2005-04-01T152925Z_01_N01328859_RTRID\
ST_0_NEWS-COLOMBIA-USA-DC.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/3kea8

"BOGOTA, Colombia (Reuters) - Five American soldiers have been
arrested for trying to smuggle hundreds of thousands of dollars worth
of cocaine into the United States on a U.S. military aircraft, the
U.S. military said.

The five unidentified Army personnel were detained on Tuesday and are
being held in the United States for "allegedly trying to transport
approximately 16 kilograms (35 lb) of cocaine," U.S. Southern Command
said in a news release late on Thursday."

#9149 From: "permutedpress" <contact@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 7:19 pm
Subject: New Cthulhu Mythos Book List - Anything Missing?
permutedpress
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Hello everyone,

I'd like to enlist your help on a new project I'm working on.  I've
set up a new web site I'm calling 'The Ultimate Mythos Book List'
where I'm listing every printed work set in or using parts of the
Cthulhu Mythos that I can find.  I've currently got a ton of stuff up
and am continuing to work.

Here's where you Mythos experts come in:  please take a look at the
list and let me know what's missing.  I _know_ that I have left some
things out.  The list is here:

http://lovecraft.cjb.net

Any feedback is much appreciated.

Thanks,
Jacob

#9150 From: "Edward Lipsett \(work\)" <translation@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 12:44 am
Subject: RE: New Cthulhu Mythos Book List - Anything Missing?
elipsett
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Nice list. Filling in the gaps and keeping it up to date could be a lifelong
occupation.

I'd appreciate it if you could add this, though:
http://www.kurodahan.com/e/catalog/titles/j0010.html


I really need to look through my collection, which is probably impossible
any time soon, but these two seem to be missing:

The Devil Ground by Ted Pons
The Library Lovecraftian Vol. 3
Shroud Publishers, California, 1975
Illos: Jim Garrison, Frank McSherry, Jr, Gerry Mooney.
Cover: Cliff Alexander
Chapbook, 28 pages, 2-color wraparound cover
Limited edition of 995 issues

The Chaos Spawn by F. C. Adams
The Library Lovecraftian Vol. 2
Shroud Publishers, California, 1974
Illos: Dante Volpe
Chapbook, 32 pages, 1-color cover
Limited edition of 995 issues

=============
Edward Lipsett
Fukuoka, Japan

> Here's where you Mythos experts come in:  please take a look at the
> list and let me know what's missing.  I _know_ that I have left some
> things out.  The list is here:
>
> http://lovecraft.cjb.net

#9151 From: "carpentermt" <ICarpenter@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: New Cthulhu Mythos Book List - Anything Missing?
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Jacob

Go to google group alt.horror.cthulhu and ask James Ambuehl

He really keeps the ultimate archive

Matt

#9152 From: "carpentermt" <ICarpenter@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: New Cthulhu Mythos Book List - Anything Missing?
carpentermt
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Hi - my previous message didn't post

I see a number of gaps, from not so well known, like The Gardens of
Lucullus, to should be obvious like Balak to the downright obscure like
Hastur Pussycat Kill Kill.

The best thing to do is go to alt.horror.cthulhu and check out all
posts by James Ambuehl, who keeps the real ultimate archive

Matt

#9153 From: James Knevitt <jknevitt@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 5:24 pm
Subject: DG team goes Rhino?
jknevitt
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While this just seems to be a simple corrupt police killing spree,
perhaps a DG team got a little trigger happy when going after some
South American tcho-tcho-types?

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/04/02/rio.killings.ap/index.html

Killers hunted in Rio massacre

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Police released composite sketches of
two suspects in the rampage killing of 30 people, while families
buried the victims amid sobs and cries for justice. Rogue police were
the main suspects.

The slayings took place over the course of about an hour Thursday
night in the poor, squalid suburbs of Nova Iguacu and Queimados on the
outskirts of this city.

----

Early Friday, Rio de Janeiro state security secretary Marcelo Itagiba
said the crime was most likely the work of police disgruntled over the
arrest of eight officers caught on video dumping two bodies.

But many here said that could not explain or justify the killing of so
many, including five adolescents and one woman.

"The state is guilty. All this over eight police being arrested?"
asked Sandro Alves de Paulo, a 35-year-old electrician, whose
14-year-old son Douglas was among the victims.

According to witnesses, at around 10 p.m. the gunmen got out of a
silver Volkswagen and fired on the crowd at a street-corner bar.
Fifteen people were found dead in and around the bar and three more
victims died of their injuries in the hospital Friday.

The gunmen, perhaps joined by a second car, then cruised to the nearby
Queimados neighborhood where they killed an additional 12 people in
two separate shootings.

Roger Ancillotti, chief of the police forensics unit, said most of the
victims had been shot in the head, neck or chest, suggesting a highly
professional job.

"They were firing out the windows as they left so no one would look at
them," said a resident who would only identify himself as Joao.

---

"Experience has shown that this type of crime is always carried out by
the underworld of the police apparatus," said Jorge Piciani, president
of the Rio de Janeiro state assembly.

#9154 From: "permutedpress" <contact@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: New Cthulhu Mythos Book List - Anything Missing?
permutedpress
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Thanks for the leads to everyone who replied.  I'll check the books
that were mentioned and visit alt.horrror.cthulhu.

Thanks!
Jacob

#9155 From: "dragunldy" <chanlee89@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 1:41 am
Subject: Re: DG team goes Rhino?
dragunldy
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--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, James Knevitt <jknevitt@g...> wrote:
> While this just seems to be a simple corrupt police killing spree,
> perhaps a DG team got a little trigger happy when going after some
> South American tcho-tcho-types?
>
>

Sounds like the support apparatus for the Karotechia just got smaller.

#9156 From: Mark McFadden <lizardrex@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 5:32 am
Subject: (no subject)
reylucertola
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who deltagreen

#9157 From: Mark McFadden <lizardrex@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 5:56 am
Subject: Stop abductions
reylucertola
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http://www.stopabductions.com/

   Instructions for assembling a Thought Screen Helmet to foil alien
abductions. If they can't control your thoughts, they won't abduct you
anymore.

   This is good enough for role-playing, but don't bet your brain on the
mindray deflecting properties of 3M Velostat(tm). Whether it's 8 sheets
of Velostat 6 mils thick or 12 sheets of Velostat 4 mils thick, it still
isn't tinfoil, and you still have those damn amalgam fillings to worry
about.
   Accept no substitutes - or disinformation. It's tinfoil or a future of
missing time and a sore rectum.

   And remember, a sturdy pair of needle-nose Vise-Grips(tm) is your
friend. Most health plans won't cover the cost of *replacing* amalgam
fillings with a more suitable material unless the original was lost due
to an "accident".

Mark McFadden

#9158 From: "michael.adams1" <michael.adams1@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 6:51 am
Subject: Abduction RPG
abrigon66
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Does bring up an interesting game idea, you are investigators, much like
X-Files, but more wacked out.

Basically you are trying to find out if abductions do happen, and ways
to keep them from happening and maybe every track down the aliens and
bring them to justice, or just steal their tech and use it against them
or what?

Sort of a cross between X-Files, SG1, Call of Cthulu, and Munchkins.

Mike


Mark McFadden wrote:

> http://www.stopabductions.com/
>
>   Instructions for assembling a Thought Screen Helmet to foil alien
> abductions. If they can't control your thoughts, they won't abduct you
> anymore.
>
>   This is good enough for role-playing, but don't bet your brain on the
> mindray deflecting properties of 3M Velostat(tm). Whether it's 8 sheets
> of Velostat 6 mils thick or 12 sheets of Velostat 4 mils thick, it still
> isn't tinfoil, and you still have those damn amalgam fillings to worry
> about.
>   Accept no substitutes - or disinformation. It's tinfoil or a future of
> missing time and a sore rectum.
>
>   And remember, a sturdy pair of needle-nose Vise-Grips(tm) is your
> friend. Most health plans won't cover the cost of *replacing* amalgam
> fillings with a more suitable material unless the original was lost due
> to an "accident".
>
> Mark McFadden
>
>
>
> The Delta Green Mailing List:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dglist

#9159 From: "Lee Williams" <leewilliams@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 12:01 pm
Subject: RE: (no subject)
hpwinter
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We can't tell you :)

Lee Williams
Editor - DEMONGROUND: Reflections of a Darker Future
http://www.demonground.org



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark McFadden [mailto:lizardrex@...]
> Sent: 03 April 2005 06:33
> To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [dglist] (no subject)
>
>
> who deltagreen

#9160 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re: DG team goes Rhino?
rusrayburn@...
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Either that, or the support apparatus is reasserting dominance.

The message being: when you see Us throwing bodies away, have a big
steaming cup of STFU or we'll randomly kill people in your
neighborhood.



On Apr 2, 2005 9:41 PM, dragunldy <chanlee89@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, James Knevitt <jknevitt@g...> wrote:
> > While this just seems to be a simple corrupt police killing spree,
> > perhaps a DG team got a little trigger happy when going after some
> > South American tcho-tcho-types?
> >
> >
>
> Sounds like the support apparatus for the Karotechia just got smaller.
>
>

#9161 From: "inthelandofmordor" <inthelandofmordor@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Abduction RPG
inthelandofm...
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Well, that's pretty much what I was running with a Phenom-X camera
crew... we'll be restarting it after the holiday, and I'm already
wondering who to have abducted from Groversville and returning with
multi-coloured urine.

#9162 From: "inthelandofmordor" <inthelandofmordor@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: (no subject)
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--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Williams" <leewilliams@d...> wrote:
> We can't tell you :)

And if we did, we'd have to kill you.

#9163 From: The Man in Black <mib.zero@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Cthulhu Mythos Book List - Anything Missing?
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On Apr 2, 2005 12:32 PM, permutedpress <contact@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the leads to everyone who replied.  I'll check the books
> that were mentioned and visit alt.horrror.cthulhu.

Presumably you're aware of the Encyclopedia Cthulhiana by Daniel Harms
and perhaps even more anal A Cthulhu Mythos Bibliography and
Concordance by Chris Jarocha-Ernst. The first tome includes gaming
material while the second specifically excludes it. Of particular
interest are the references listed for the Concordance.

Of course for voluminous data of this sort, a book is really obsolete.
Truly useful to mythos scholars would be a searchable database of the
complete texts. Something that could be ordered by Author, Title, Date
of Publication, Subjects, etc.

Something like that would be years, possibly decades in the future,
but it's possible that the information could be preserved now, in a
format making it easier for future literary scholars...

The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins
Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum
______________________________________
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/maninblack/dg.html

#9164 From: James Knevitt <jknevitt@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 1:38 am
Subject: DG Chapbooks on eBay
jknevitt
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All three are for sale as a single lot. I'd bid if I weren't selling
my own copy of DG. :0

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2546&item=5182275916

#9165 From: Simon Brunning <simon@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: Genetics For Dummies: Ubbo-Sathla as a Weapon of Mass Destruction
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On Mar 29, 2005 11:10 PM, Nash Trickster <nashtrickster@...> wrote:
> Do not forget that on some chromosomes more than 70% of the
> information is "useless" (as far as we know) ;)

No programmer can hear that without thinking "comments"...

--
Cheers,
Simon B,
simon@...,
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/

#9166 From: Davide Mana <davide.mana@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: Genetics For Dummies: Ubbo-Sathla as a Weapon of Mass Destruction
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Greetings.

>>Do not forget that on some chromosomes more than 70% of the
>>information is "useless" (as far as we know) ;)
>>
>>
>
>No programmer can hear that without thinking "comments"...
>
>
Nor can a palaeontologist think about it without thinking "will come
handy later".

Curiously enough I discussed some of this with an evolutionary biologist
no more than three weeks back.
She pointed out that plankton tends to have "a lot of garbage DNA".
When I asked her to define better "garbage", her reply was "useless".
When I asked her to define "useless", she replied "we never saw it in
action".
I made a quick joke about J.W. Bush's brain, of course, and then pointed
out that, in the very small and little-frequented (but not so marginal)
field of plankton foraminifera (which is the one I know better), the
genres and species that survived mass extinction events - repeatedly -
are those that have the longest sequences of "useless" DNA.
Looks like, when the razor boy comes, having a huge supply of
fast-redefinable cromosomes might give you an edge.
So now, please, re-define "useless" for me.
But the lady was unmoveable.
After all, I was talking communities, that have nothing to do, in her
opinion, with evolution.
Stinking ultradarwinist.

Me, I'll hold on tight to my 70% "useless" DNA the nest time a quantum
evolutionary leap seems to be coming.

Cheers.

Davide Mana
Torino, Italy

#9167 From: Sylvain Clément <sylvain.sc.clement@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 5:56 pm
Subject: RE : Genetics For Dummies: Ubbo-Sathla as a Weapon of Mass Destruction
sylvain_clement
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De : Davide Mana [mailto:davide.mana@...]

***
Curiously enough I discussed some of this with an evolutionary biologist

no more than three weeks back.
She pointed out that plankton tends to have "a lot of garbage DNA".
When I asked her to define better "garbage", her reply was "useless".
When I asked her to define "useless", she replied "we never saw it in
action".
[...]
Stinking ultradarwinist.
Me, I'll hold on tight to my 70% "useless" DNA the nest time a quantum
evolutionary leap seems to be coming.
***

Amen to that. Being a darwinism aficionado myself, I'd have replied that
having that many current-day creatures with huge "backup" or "buffer"
sequences is a good enough clue in favour of their profound usefulness.


Sylvain Clément

#9168 From: tomcusworth@...
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 2:21 pm
Subject: Free E's for soldiers??
tomcusworth
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Fellow conspirators,
I've encountered a bizarre factoid regarding a novel "treatment" for  Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) allegedly approved by the US Food  & Drug
Administration (FDA) and am wondering if our Stateside agents could  shed a
little
light on the truth (or otherwise) ofthis matter.
The article (sidebar) appears in the May 2005 issue of Bizarre magazine (a
UK publication covering the strange & wierd). Here's the text:

"American soldiers traumatised by fighting in Iraq are to be offered  Ecstasy
to help free them of flasbacks and recurring nightmares. The US Food  & Drug
Administration has given thhe go ahead for the soldiers to be  included in an
experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in Ecstasy, can  treat
post-traumatic stress disorder."

If this is true (even if it isn't), wouldn't this make a great storyline  for
a DG scenario? MJ-12 would make the most of that one, wouldn't they. Is it
at the behest of the Mi-go?

I'd appreciate some feedback on this, if the story is true, or some
discussion of the implications from a DG perspective, even if it turns out to be
crap.

Thanks,
Tom


"Blessed are the cheapskates, for they shall see God & still  have change of
a  fiver".

http://www.geocities.com/spinward1093/



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#9169 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
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I've a friend just back from Iraq.  We discussed some PTSD issues; the
treatment recommendations he got all involved the so-called "talking
cures" ( cognitive-behavioral therapy, I think it's called ).

A quick search of the FDA's web site turned up nothing, although
Zoloft has recently been approved as a treatment.

On OUTLOOK involvement: Sure, although I'd think they'd focus more on
preventing the stress in the first place.

The book "On Killing":
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316330116/qid=1112639595/sr=8-1/r\
ef=pd_csp_1/103-8342245-5979841?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
or
http://tinyurl.com/58zoo
states that 5% of the population ( IIRC ) has no reluctance to killing
humans.  These are sociopaths.  As part of training, 95% of recruits
have to be conditioned to overcome this natural disinclination.

The process is rather well understood and, as "On Killing" points out,
effective.  It is time consuming, however.  If it existed, a drug
which would eliminate any reticence towards killing could be given to
recruits as part of their immunization package.

Mild hypnotics might also be included to ensure suggestibility was
present, thus bolstering the obedience to orders.  These hypnotics
would likely interfere with decision making abilities ( at least in a
fast enough time frame ) so they might be more trouble than they're
worth.

In short (yeah I know; too late ) OUTLOOK would likely prevent the
traumatic stress by creating sociopaths.



On Apr 4, 2005 2:21 PM, tomcusworth@... <tomcusworth@...> wrote:
>
> Fellow conspirators,
> I've encountered a bizarre factoid regarding a novel "treatment" for  Post
> Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) allegedly approved by the US Food  & Drug
> Administration (FDA) and am wondering if our Stateside agents could  shed a
little
> light on the truth (or otherwise) ofthis matter.
> The article (sidebar) appears in the May 2005 issue of Bizarre magazine (a
> UK publication covering the strange & wierd). Here's the text:
>
> "American soldiers traumatised by fighting in Iraq are to be offered  Ecstasy
> to help free them of flasbacks and recurring nightmares. The US Food  & Drug
> Administration has given thhe go ahead for the soldiers to be  included in an
> experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in Ecstasy, can  treat
> post-traumatic stress disorder."
>
> If this is true (even if it isn't), wouldn't this make a great storyline  for
> a DG scenario? MJ-12 would make the most of that one, wouldn't they. Is it
> at the behest of the Mi-go?
>
> I'd appreciate some feedback on this, if the story is true, or some
> discussion of the implications from a DG perspective, even if it turns out to
be  crap.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> "Blessed are the cheapskates, for they shall see God & still  have change of
> a  fiver".
>
> http://www.geocities.com/spinward1093/
>

#9170 From: tomcusworth@...
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
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Did a quick search myself and found this at:
_http://www.maps.org/mdma/protocol/index.html_
(http://www.maps.org/mdma/protocol/index.html)

"This MDMA/PTSD protocol was initially approved by FDA on November 2, 2001.
This is the first ever FDA-approved protocol designed to investigate any
therapeutic potential of MDMA. A revised protocol, which shifted the location of
the study, was approved by FDA on June 14, 2002. The protocol was approved by
an  Institutional Review Board (IRB) on September 23, 2003. The DEA inspected
the  research facility on October 28, 2003 as part of its review of Dr.
Mithoefer's  application for a Schedule I license, and on Dec. 11, 2003, we
learned
that the  South Carolina DEA recommended to DEA headquarters that Dr.
Mithoefer receive  his Schedule I license. We hope to receive final DEA approval
in
January or  February 2004. Then the study can start.
MAPS has been working since it was founded in 1986 to initiate research into
the therapeutic use of MDMA, so FDA approval marks the culmination of fifteen
  years of struggle. FDA approval of this protocol is also a beginning of what
we  hope is a _5 year, $5  million plan_
(http://www.maps.org/research/mdmaplan.html)  to develop MDMA into a
prescription medicine for the treatment  of
PTSD. On September 23, 2003, the study was _approved by an  IRB_
(http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/index.html#SEP2303) .
MAPS is also supporting a _pilot dose-response  study in Spain_
(http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/spain/index.html)  into the use of
MDMA-assisted
psychotherapy in the treatment  of PTSD, but that study was halted due to
political
pressure from the Spanish  Anti-Drug Authority. MAPS is working to obtain
permission to restart that study.  MAPS is also working to start an Israeli
MDMA/PTSD _pilot study._ (http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v12n1/12109db.html) "
- Although the information on the site appears a little out of date.
Tom
"Blessed are  the cheapskates, for they shall see God & still have change of
a  fiver".

http://www.geocities.com/spinward1093/



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#9171 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
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Guess thats what I get for only looking at the FDA site.

So it seems MDMA is approved for study in treating PTSD, and such
studies include service members, but it's not currently approved for
use in any treatment.

Hard for me to see the mythos here.

OUTLOOK would not be involved, I'd think...it seems more likely they'd
appear on the scene as military doctors, rather than psychotherapists
from a non-profit.

Frankly, MJ12 has the COOKBOOK... why would they need to make a
formerly legal party drug legal again?  Why not just whip up something
new that would likely be more effective?

YMMV, of course.



On Apr 4, 2005 3:23 PM, tomcusworth@... <tomcusworth@...> wrote:
>
> Did a quick search myself and found this at:
> _http://www.maps.org/mdma/protocol/index.html_
> (http://www.maps.org/mdma/protocol/index.html)
>
> "This MDMA/PTSD protocol was initially approved by FDA on November 2, 2001.
> This is the first ever FDA-approved protocol designed to investigate any
> therapeutic potential of MDMA. A revised protocol, which shifted the location
of
> the study, was approved by FDA on June 14, 2002. The protocol was approved by
> an  Institutional Review Board (IRB) on September 23, 2003. The DEA inspected
> the  research facility on October 28, 2003 as part of its review of Dr.
> Mithoefer's  application for a Schedule I license, and on Dec. 11, 2003, we
learned
> that the  South Carolina DEA recommended to DEA headquarters that Dr.
> Mithoefer receive  his Schedule I license. We hope to receive final DEA
approval in
> January or  February 2004. Then the study can start.
> MAPS has been working since it was founded in 1986 to initiate research into
> the therapeutic use of MDMA, so FDA approval marks the culmination of fifteen
>  years of struggle. FDA approval of this protocol is also a beginning of what
> we  hope is a _5 year, $5  million plan_
> (http://www.maps.org/research/mdmaplan.html)  to develop MDMA into a
prescription medicine for the treatment  of
> PTSD. On September 23, 2003, the study was _approved by an  IRB_
> (http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/index.html#SEP2303) .
> MAPS is also supporting a _pilot dose-response  study in Spain_
> (http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/spain/index.html)  into the use of
MDMA-assisted
> psychotherapy in the treatment  of PTSD, but that study was halted due to
political
> pressure from the Spanish  Anti-Drug Authority. MAPS is working to obtain
> permission to restart that study.  MAPS is also working to start an Israeli
> MDMA/PTSD _pilot study._ (http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v12n1/12109db.html)
"
> - Although the information on the site appears a little out of date.
> Tom
> "Blessed are  the cheapskates, for they shall see God & still have change of
> a  fiver".
>
> http://www.geocities.com/spinward1093/
>

#9172 From: tomcusworth@...
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
tomcusworth
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In a message dated 04/04/2005 21:10:00 GMT Daylight Time,
rusrayburn@... writes:

Frankly,  MJ12 has the COOKBOOK... why would they need to make a
formerly legal party  drug legal again?  Why not just whip up something
new that would  likely be more effective?

YMMV, of course.



Hmmm,
That's a very good point Russ.
The only thing I can think to say is thank you for your replies.
Cheers, mate.
Tom


"Blessed are the cheapskates, for they shall see God & still  have change of
a  fiver".

http://www.geocities.com/spinward1093/



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#9173 From: Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
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On Apr 4, 2005 1:06 PM, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>
> Hard for me to see the mythos here.
>

One word: Reverb.  Tiger Transit is already looking to corner the
illegal market with Coca Loco.  Now they can enter the profitable and
legitimate pharmaceutical industry by tailoring a strain of Reverb for
psychological medication.  How long will it be before prominent
psychiatrists (many working for HMOs with majority stock held by
Genetic Agricultural Products, if not recent converts to the
Brotherhood of New Potential) come out extolling the ability of Reverb
(renamed something suitably scientific) to "soothe the patient by
inducing euphoria and freeing them from temporal perspectives so as to
allow them to fully confront the source of their disorder in a deeply
conclusive manner."

Gil

#9174 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
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Interesting...

The WHOIS entry for maps.org contains this:

Domain ID:D3299163-LROR
Domain Name:MAPS.ORG
Created On:24-Jul-1994 04:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:25-May-2004 11:46:40 UTC
Expiration Date:23-Jul-2005 04:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:tuWxxn0avo3Ccg6t
Registrant Name:vanessa vaudo
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street1:2105 Robinson Ave
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:sarasota
Registrant State/Province:fl
Registrant Postal Code:34232
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.9419246277
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:vanessa@...
Admin ID:tu82iwjWJGPlvsB5
Admin Name:vanessa vaudo

A google search of that address leads to these sites:

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/
http://cannabisculture.com/articles/1723.html
http://www.peyote.net/archive/traditional.html

etc.

And a search on the admin name ( Vanessa Vaudo ) turned up this:
NB: Link probably not safe from work
http://www.pepmodels.com/model/model_display.asp?pepid=720
Google lists her name as Vanessa Vaudo ( last search result, no cache
available):
http://www.google.com/search?q=%2B%22Vanessa+Vaudo%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&st\
art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
or
http://tinyurl.com/7xc5n
While the site lists it as Vanessa Jones..

Also shows up here:
http://www.yopbc.org/Alumni_List.html

So the migration of Reverb from street drug to prescription
pharmaceutical seems possible... and with all the profit that legal
drug dealing entails.

So we've got a research group who are ideological cousins to the drug
legalization movement.  They're researching drugs to deal with PTSD,
including some old street favorites, and they've received FDA ( and it
seems DEA ) permission to begin some tests.  One of their front people
is a former choir girl who does some modeling on the side.  She claims
a background in in music, unitarianism and vegetarianism... which
sounds flaky enough to be from the Brotherhood of New Potential.

Nice.

Good catch Gil.

On Apr 4, 2005 5:46 PM, Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...> wrote:
>
> On Apr 4, 2005 1:06 PM, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hard for me to see the mythos here.
> >
>
> One word: Reverb.  Tiger Transit is already looking to corner the
> illegal market with Coca Loco.  Now they can enter the profitable and
> legitimate pharmaceutical industry by tailoring a strain of Reverb for
> psychological medication.  How long will it be before prominent
> psychiatrists (many working for HMOs with majority stock held by
> Genetic Agricultural Products, if not recent converts to the
> Brotherhood of New Potential) come out extolling the ability of Reverb
> (renamed something suitably scientific) to "soothe the patient by
> inducing euphoria and freeing them from temporal perspectives so as to
> allow them to fully confront the source of their disorder in a deeply
> conclusive manner."
>
> Gil
>

#9175 From: Davide Mana <davide.mana@...>
Date: Mon Apr 4, 2005 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: Free E's for soldiers??
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Cheers...


>So we've got a research group who are ideological cousins to the drug
>legalization movement.  They're researching drugs to deal with PTSD,
>including some old street favorites, and they've received FDA ( and it
>seems DEA ) permission to begin some tests.  One of their front people
>is a former choir girl who does some modeling on the side.  She claims
>a background in in music, unitarianism and vegetarianism... which
>sounds flaky enough to be from the Brotherhood of New Potential.
>
>Nice.
>
>Good catch Gil.
>

It gets better.
Their roster of front people include...

Valerie Mojeiko, listed as filling the same post as Vanessa Vaudo -
which is also listed as an orthodox Jewish anarchist and a psychedelic
music performer.
Mercedes Paulino, general busybody - who's apparently one of the
founding members of the Lyons Club in Puerto Plata.

... but the best part is still to come

Nicole Tavernier is listed as director of operations - Nicole Tavernbier
was a 16th century healer and general pratictioner of herbal magic in
france.
Brandy Doyle is listed as director of special operations - actually a
character in the M*A*S*H*  TV series (she was a former stripper)

As for the president of the clique, just check his mugshots on his web page
http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/doblin_rick/doblin_rick.shtml

My 2 cents - this is a fluffy organization, with one or two real
individuals (Doblin and Mojeiko?) doing all the work, and filling the
gaps in their roster by harvesting plausible names through the web and
using them as masks and suits online.

I worked for a very brief time with a guy who set up organizational
web-services for clubs, circles, small institutions and business ventures.
The first thing he did was increasing the number of on-line persons by
setting up a handful of accounts in names which he picked up from the
web - so that a cursory web-search would show the guys to be real people
and not just strings of letters.
He then administered their accounts and mail postings to newsgroups in
order to generate traffic and attract real users.
As soon as usage statistics kicked in, he dropped a few of the fakes...

And yet - two or fifteen, these guys are worth investigation.

Davide Mana
Torino, Italy

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