http://www.warehouse23.com/item.cgi?ZMG9005

"D is for Dagon,
Because he's one of the gods,
And not for the Deep Ones
Who're just one step up from frogs."

Hmm, scanning and rhyme could use some improvement, but I LIKE it!

Dave

>From: "Edward Parsons" <edward-parsons@...>
>Subject: Re: February the 29th...
>
>Only thing that comes to mind is the tradition of women asking thier
>husbands hand in marriage on Feb 29th (a very old fashioned UK tradition).
>Damned if I know of some mythosian link there- sounds closer to hermeticism
>and alchemical dosctine on mystical marriages...

You missed out the punchline - the tradition is that women can propose on
Feb 29th and any man that refuses has to pay them one pound.

A possible Mythosian link here could be some kind of curse on any man that
doesn't take this seriously and pay up pronto.

Paul

> >Only thing that comes to mind is the tradition of women asking thier
> >husbands hand in marriage on Feb 29th (a very old fashioned UK tradition).
> >Damned if I know of some mythosian link there- sounds closer to hermeticism
> >and alchemical dosctine on mystical marriages...
>
> You missed out the punchline - the tradition is that women can propose on
> Feb 29th and any man that refuses has to pay them one pound.

	 I work have a friend that is Danish, and they have a similiar
tradition. She said that if the proposal was refused, the man has to buy
her 29 pairs of gloves. Now that is odd.

Jeff.

Shane, thank you! It will be of great help next weekend, when the gang arrive in
Groversville!

Allan

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--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, "shane" <shane@a...> wrote:
> Scanned Groversville map from TUO 7, in PDF:
>
> http://www.delta-green.com/opint/raredocs
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Shane Ivey
>

Hmmm - just checked that link and can't see the map.

I can see the link to the Convergence Sound files, but can't see
anything about the map ?

Am I missing something somewhere ?

kinnygraham wrote:
> Hmmm - just checked that link and can't see the map.
>
> I can see the link to the Convergence Sound files, but can't see
> anything about the map ?
>
> Am I missing something somewhere ?

It's the 4th link from the bottom, below the sound files, above "The
Mist". It's a PDF so you'll need Adobe Reader. (I know you probably know
that; I'm just covering all the bases.)

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nash" <nash_sw2001@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: [dglist] February the 29th...


> Supertition (but there ain't no smoke without a fire huh?) tends to
> give special powers or meanings to several days of the year that happen
> much more often than a "February 29":

[snip]

Let's not forget Walpurgisnacht, which takes place in the night before the
first of May. This is the traditional time (in Germany, at least) when
witches are abroad, and when drunk young German males in Southern Germany
engage in some general mayham (sort of like Halloween's "Trick or Treat",
but without the treats...).


- Jürgen Hubert

Urbis - A World of Cities
http://juergen.the-huberts.net/dnd/urbis/index.html
Messageboard: http://juergen.the-huberts.net/forum/list.php?f=7

--- Jürgen_Hubert <jhubert@...> wrote:

> Let's not forget Walpurgisnacht, which takes place in the night
> before the
> first of May. This is the traditional time (in Germany, at least)
> when
> witches are abroad, and when drunk young German males in Southern
> Germany
> engage in some general mayham (sort of like Halloween's "Trick or
> Treat",
> but without the treats...).

Any chance of a link with Cyaegha? :p Well, it seems that Feb 29 has
much more possible Mythos links than I originally thought!

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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 14:50:04 -0000, kinnygraham wrote
> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, "shane" <shane@a...> wrote:
> > Scanned Groversville map from TUO 7, in PDF:
> >
> > http://www.delta-green.com/opint/raredocs
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Shane Ivey
> >
>
> Hmmm - just checked that link and can't see the map.
>

Nash wrote:

> But February 29th, which happen only once every 4 years wouldn't be
> granted with special powers or Mythos activity? How weird!

February 29 is a fairly recent phenomenon, and an entirely artificial one. Its
sole purpose is to get the calendar back on track because the Earth's orbital
period around the sun (roughly 365 1/4 days) doesn't nicely fit into multiples
of its own rotation. It could just as easily be an extra day at the end of
December. I believe it was invented as part of the Gregorian calendar. This
means that it predates the Dark Ages, by which point most of the "primary"
Mythos books were created. All of the other things you state (and eclipses,
which you didn't mention) are physical phenomenon that happen on a regular basis
(and can be predicted by calculation).

What I thought February 29 was good for was to throw off calculations for
cultists or players. I feel sorry for cultists sometimes. Their rituals usually
take a while to complete, when they are incredibly vulnerable, often at a
specific place at a specific time with a specific document, tome, or artifact.
It's just so darned easy to catch them in the act. A good use for February 29 is
to have something happen on the same night of the year, but offset it by a day
every leap year. Have the ritual take place so many days from the beginning of
the year, only have the cult write down the actual date, with an "internal" note
to subtract a day on leap years. For instance, the ritual may happen on the
100th day of the year, which is usually April 10, but this year is April 9. The
characters make plans to raid the ritual site on the 9th only to find that they
missed it by a day! A kind Keeper may let them catch sight of a cultist heading
to the location a day early. I hope they weren't hoping for special equipment or
artifacts from A-Cell to be couriered to them the next day...

--
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http://www.hyperbear.com   agoodall@...

Graham wrote:

> Hmmm - just checked that link and can't see the map.
>
> I can see the link to the Convergence Sound files, but can't see
> anything about the map ?
>
> Am I missing something somewhere ?

It's there. I downloaded the map earlier this morning. I opened it in my browser
first, too.

I suggest you clear out your browser's cache and try again. This is the reason I
set my browser to always check for a new version of the page.

--
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http://www.hyperbear.com   agoodall@...
> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, "shane" <shane@a...> wrote:
> > Scanned Groversville map from TUO 7, in PDF:
> >
> > http://www.delta-green.com/opint/raredocs
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Shane Ivey
> >
>
> Hmmm - just checked that link and can't see the map.
>
> I can see the link to the Convergence Sound files, but can't see
> anything about the map ?
>
> Am I missing something somewhere ?
>
>
>
> The Delta Green Mailing List:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dglist
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

>There's alot of directions you could go with such a scenario.  Red Herring
>is one direction.  A general weakening of social restrictions on sexual
>norms is another.  A cabal of judges, prosecutors, and public officials all
>working to make extreme deviant sexual behavior the norm rather than the
>fringe would only work to Y'glonac's goals.  Maybe someone faxed a few
>selected pages from the 'Revelations of Glaaki' to a couple of carefully
>selected folks?  Start with gay marriage, establish the precedent that it's
>acceptable to ignore the law if you're 'cause' is 'just', work at moving
>the line for acceptable sexual behavior slowly until everything is just
>'choice' and nothing forbidden.  Imagine your average group of DG agents
>trying to track down a group of Y'glonac cultists during San Fran's Gay
>Pride day parade.  They'd probably be rather obvious.
>

Makes me think of Transmetropolitan.  Especially the bit about the "Right
Love" movement.  Creepy!  But so plausible, it's scary.

Transmet does have some fertile ground for DG-esque concepts.  Along with a
lot of things taken to extremes.

CJ

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--- agoodall@... wrote:
> February 29 is a fairly recent phenomenon, and an entirely artificial
> one. Its sole purpose is to get the calendar back on track because
> the Earth's orbital period around the sun (roughly 365 1/4 days)
> doesn't nicely fit into multiples of its own rotation. It could just
> as easily be an extra day at the end of December. I believe it was
> invented as part of the Gregorian calendar. This means that it
> predates the Dark Ages, by which point most of the "primary" Mythos
> books were created.

Erm... Like I said in one of my earlier posts, the creation of
bisextile years predates the New Testament! It was instored by one of
the Caesars in 46BC... Before that the "year" counted only 350 days!

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A gaming buddy gave this to my daughter when she was born.  Strangely
enough, it's not printed on drool- or slime-proof stock so it's put away
until she's old enough to appreciate it.  No idea how long that will be.


> http://www.warehouse23.com/item.cgi?ZMG9005
>
> "D is for Dagon,
> Because he's one of the gods,
> And not for the Deep Ones
> Who're just one step up from frogs."
>
> Hmm, scanning and rhyme could use some improvement, but I LIKE it!
>
> Dave
>

You mean, something like this? ;)

http://www.choppingblock.org/d/20040226.html

-Rus


-----Original Message-----
From: HIT Mark [mailto:hitmarkh17@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:17 PM
To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dglist] February the 29th...

<snip>
There's alot of directions you could go with such a scenario.  Red Herring
is one direction.  A general weakening of social restrictions on sexual
norms is another.
</snip>

Nash wrote:

> Erm... Like I said in one of my earlier posts, the creation of
> bisextile years predates the New Testament! It was instored by one of
> the Caesars in 46BC... Before that the "year" counted only 350 days!

Yes, I remember that from my Latin classes. I wasn't clear; I meant that
February 29th, itself, was fairly new, and thus that day, in particular, wasn't
likely to have any significance. The actual idea of adding to the year to make
it conform to the Earth's rotation wasn't new.

--
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http://www.hyperbear.com   agoodall@...

Now I'm picturing a cabal of cultists pondering the sundial, trying to
figure out just when they need the black robes and obsidian blades by...

-----Original Message-----
From: agoodall@... [mailto:agoodall@...]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:58 AM
To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dglist] February the 29th...

<snip>
What I thought February 29 was good for was to throw off calculations for
cultists or players. I feel sorry for cultists sometimes. Their rituals
usually take a while to complete, when they are incredibly vulnerable, often
at a specific place at a specific time with a specific document, tome, or
artifact. It's just so darned easy to catch them in the act. A good use for
February 29 is to have something happen on the same night of the year, but
offset it by a day every leap year. Have the ritual take place so many days
from the beginning of the year, only have the cult write down the actual
date, with an "internal" note to subtract a day on leap years. For instance,
the ritual may happen on the 100th day of the year, which is usually April
10, but this year is April 9. The characters make plans to raid the ritual
site on the 9th only to find that they missed it by a day! A kind Keeper may
let them catch sight of a cultist heading to the location a day early. I
hope they weren't hoping for special equipment or artifacts from A-Cell to
be couriered to them the next day...
</snip>

Of probable interest to the British members of this list;

9pm - 10pm Channel 4 Monday March 1st

Bodyshock - The Man Who Ate his Lover - The notorious case of Armin
Meiwes



Julian Breen

jpetheri@... wrote:
---------------------------------
A gaming buddy gave this to my daughter when she was born.  Strangely
enough, it's not printed on drool- or slime-proof stock so it's put away
until she's old enough to appreciate it.  No idea how long that will be.
-------------------

Around a year and a half is when they stop trying to put everything in the
world into their mouths, IIRC.

Shame it's not a board book, but then I guess it's really more intended
for the parents than the kids. Similar themes at one of my players' posts
on ENworld:

Cthulhu as a Delta Green agent
<http://www.enworld.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=357>

The Very Hungry Elder God
<http://www.enworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=139071&postcount=36>



> http://www.warehouse23.com/item.cgi?ZMG9005
>
> "D is for Dagon,
> Because he's one of the gods,
> And not for the Deep Ones
> Who're just one step up from frogs."
>
> Hmm, scanning and rhyme could use some improvement, but I LIKE it!
>
> Dave
>


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Maybe there isn't any actual meaning to the construct of a February 29th,
but there is a lovely *symbolic* meaning. Consider the plot of 'The Pirates
of Penzance', where the young romantic lead was born on the 29th and
therefore isn't really an adult (and therefore free of his contract with the
Pirate King) because he hadn't had the required number of *birthdays*
regardless of the years he had lived. Play with that concept and you could
have people that get 4x the standard "three score and ten" as their natural
span.
  In any case, anyone born on the 29th is symbolically special. Make their
birth year a prime number and you've got part of an avatar's profile. Hmmmm.
If only there was a way to combine being born on the 29th of February in a
prime number year with the missing hour of Daylight Savings Time.

  I'll bet all kinds of interesting individuals were born during the
"missing" days between the Julian and Gregorian calendars.

  Hey, I'll bet everyone born in the first minute of January 1st, 2001 is a
little special, since they are the first born of the "real" 21st Century.
Hehe, and all of those poor jerks in robes with the sacred knives were
scouting maternity wards a year too early and missed the Antichrist.

Mark McFadden

Mark wrote:

>  Hey, I'll bet everyone born in the first minute of January 1st, 2001 is a
> little special, since they are the first born of the "real" 21st Century.

It depends on your definition of "real", as we're not exactly sure _when_ Christ
was born. The best guess I've read was that he was born in the winter of 5/4
B.C. If the "real" 21st century began 2000 years after Christ's birth, then
January 1, 1997 looks like the date for the truly special. (And exactly 2000
years afterward would likely be someone born from late November to late January,
1996/1997...).

> Hehe, and all of those poor jerks in robes with the sacred knives were
> scouting maternity wards a year too early and missed the Antichrist.

Or they were scouting the maternity wards 3 years too late...

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http://www.hyperbear.com   agoodall@...

REVIEW:
http://www.ogrecave.com/reviews/babys_1st_mythos.shtml

Hope that it elucidates.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurel Halbany" <mythago@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [dglist] Baby's First Mythos


>
> jpetheri@... wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> A gaming buddy gave this to my daughter when she was born.  Strangely
> enough, it's not printed on drool- or slime-proof stock so it's put
away
> until she's old enough to appreciate it.  No idea how long that will
be.
> -------------------
>
> Around a year and a half is when they stop trying to put everything in
the
> world into their mouths, IIRC.
>
> Shame it's not a board book, but then I guess it's really more
intended
> for the parents than the kids. Similar themes at one of my players'
posts
> on ENworld:
>
> Cthulhu as a Delta Green agent
> <http://www.enworld.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=357>
>
> The Very Hungry Elder God
> <http://www.enworld.org/forums/showpost.php?p=139071&postcount=36>
>
>
>
> > http://www.warehouse23.com/item.cgi?ZMG9005
> >
> > "D is for Dagon,
> > Because he's one of the gods,
> > And not for the Deep Ones
> > Who're just one step up from frogs."
> >
> > Hmm, scanning and rhyme could use some improvement, but I LIKE it!
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
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Mark McFadden wrote:
>  In any case, anyone born on the 29th is symbolically special. Make their
> birth year a prime number and you've got part of an avatar's profile.

Iain Banks' novel *Whit* features a cult whose leaders must be born on
February 29th. So you've got lots of people in the cult timing their,
erm, procreative acts.

Now here's a Straight Dope-esque question: For people born on 2-29, when
is their *official* birthday for purposes of determining whether they
are of legal age to drink, engage in consensual sex, get drafted, etc.
2-28 or 3-1?

Dave

So, how many of these guys were misguided DG agents looking for
Bauer?

> Goshdarnit, we've only gone and missed out on Aryan Fest.
> Held in Arizona, this family friendly festival of all things white
> supremacist attracted over 300 attendees this year.
  >
> Article and pictures here.
> http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2004-02-
19/feature.html/print.html
>
> fatlimey, 0:07 2/3, Reply

/Phil

On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:01:51PM +0900, SuperDave wrote:
>
> Now here's a Straight Dope-esque question: For people born on 2-29,
> when is their *official* birthday for purposes of determining
> whether they are of legal age to drink, engage in consensual sex,
> get drafted, etc.  2-28 or 3-1?

2-28. The leapday isn't 2-29, it's 2-24. This is generally ignored,
but strictly speaking anyone born on 25-29 in a leap year should move
their birthday back one day on non leap years.

Jesper

--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, agoodall@a... wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
> > Hmmm - just checked that link and can't see the map.
> >
> > I can see the link to the Convergence Sound files, but can't see
> > anything about the map ?
> >
> > Am I missing something somewhere ?
>
> It's there. I downloaded the map earlier this morning. I opened it
in my browser first, too.
>
> I suggest you clear out your browser's cache and try again. This is
the reason I set my browser to always check for a new version of the
page.
>
>

Thanks all - looks like a browsr problem right enough. Got the map
via another PC though...

Greetings.

Is there a virologist in the house?

Fact is, a friend just dropped some heavy hints about a thing called
"Project Coast", being an attempt, on the part of South African
scientists, at developing racially-oriented bacteriological weapons.

In other words, Cookbook-grade sort of stuff.

But, in South Africa?
I somehow think rather about K'n Yanni, Dead Nazis or Serpent People
when I think about South Africa.
But that's just me, of course.

So, while I hammer away at my Google - anyone got any more ideas,
campaign developments, Mythos angles or stuff?

Davide Mana
Torino, Italy

David,

I read about this some time ago but my brain obviously want working in the
proper CoC frame of mind.
Try  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19087

Giles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Davide Mana" <davide.mana@...>
Subject: [dglist] Project: COAST?


> Fact is, a friend just dropped some heavy hints about a thing called
> "Project Coast", being an attempt, on the part of South African
> scientists, at developing racially-oriented bacteriological weapons.

Some interesting info from the UNDIR:
<http://www.unidir.org/pdf/ouvrages/pdf-resume92-9045-144-0-en.pdf>

Well, now for a link to the Mythos... Best I can see is joint
MJ-12/Special K project.

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NASA made a fairly big deal out of an announcement today.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/opportunity_water.html

Seems they're feeling pretty certain there was a sizeable chunk of
water on Mars last time Cthulhu was there for vacation.

Jesper