--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ivey <shane.ivey@...> wrote:
>
>
[snip]
>
> *ARC DREAM PUBLISHING PRESENTS `DELTA GREEN: STRANGE AUTHORITIES'*
>
> *Coming January 2012: A Collection of the Award-Winning Cthulhu Mythos
> Horror Fiction of John Scott Tynes*
>
> 21 December 2011 — "This is pure evil, pure destruction. This is the
> apocalypse." And it's just getting started. In January 2012, Arc Dream
> Publishing <http://www.arcdream.com/> will release "Delta Green: Strange
> Authorities," a collection of the award-winning Cthulhu Mythos horror
> fiction of John Scott Tynes.

It's the nagging fanboy again. :) Any updates?

Yrs
Martin

Ocean acidification worst for 300 million years:
<http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/61812-ocean-acidification-worst-\
for-300-million-years>

The real-world implications are nearly as terrifying as the notion of
the Deep Ones actually rising up and deciding to do something about
the way we're screwing with their home. Not only the death of a large
number of ocean species, but as the oceans warm up, a HUGE release of
CO2 and methane (which will stay in the atmosphere for centuries), and
a massive die-off of CO2-absorbing sea life...and it could happen
fast.

This is the kind of story that can lead to despair.

Dave

Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.

Still great fodder for a DG game.

DM

On 3/2/12, David Farnell <azzageddi@...> wrote:
> Ocean acidification worst for 300 million years:
>
<http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/61812-ocean-acidification-worst-\
for-300-million-years>
>
> The real-world implications are nearly as terrifying as the notion of
> the Deep Ones actually rising up and deciding to do something about
> the way we're screwing with their home. Not only the death of a large
> number of ocean species, but as the oceans warm up, a HUGE release of
> CO2 and methane (which will stay in the atmosphere for centuries), and
> a massive die-off of CO2-absorbing sea life...and it could happen
> fast.
>
> This is the kind of story that can lead to despair.
>
> Dave
>


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David March
CA200409006

“The thing I like about history is they are always making more of it, and
none of it is trademarked.” Me

I think that's your problem-- Google =/= scientific fact. (I mean, I can
type in something like "Moon Landing Debunked" and get the same sorts of
hits.)

I'm married to an oceanographer, so I feel like we've got the inside track
on these sorts of things. I sent her the link to the email and she said
"Yeah, that sounds about right."

Ocean acidification affects the bottom of the food chain first -- diatoms,
dinoflagellates, etc. -- since those organisms are more susceptible to
rising CO2 concentrations (and formation of carbonic acid) in the world's
oceans. And once you take away the food supply for larger organisms, they
die off. And then that creates a prey shortagefor the next tier. And so on.
It's established science.



On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:11 AM, David March <peoter.karantov@...>wrote:

> Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
> garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.
>
> Still great fodder for a DG game.
>
> DM
>
> On 3/2/12, David Farnell <azzageddi@...> wrote:
> > Ocean acidification worst for 300 million years:
> > <
>
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/61812-ocean-acidification-worst-f\
or-300-million-years
> >
> >
> > The real-world implications are nearly as terrifying as the notion of
> > the Deep Ones actually rising up and deciding to do something about
> > the way we're screwing with their home. Not only the death of a large
> > number of ocean species, but as the oceans warm up, a HUGE release of
> > CO2 and methane (which will stay in the atmosphere for centuries), and
> > a massive die-off of CO2-absorbing sea life...and it could happen
> > fast.
> >
> > This is the kind of story that can lead to despair.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
>
> --
> OOC
> Masq-Status 7
> Requiem-Carthian 4
>
> David March
> CA200409006
>
> “The thing I like about history is they are always making more of it, and
> none of it is trademarked.” Me
>
>
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>
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living in the past.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Your research methodology might be slightly flawed.

For example, you could type in Theory of Evolution Debunked into Google
and you'll get a lot of hits.

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:11:15 +0100, David March
<peoter.karantov@...> wrote:

> Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
> garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.
>
> Still great fodder for a DG game.
>
> DM
>
> On 3/2/12, David Farnell <azzageddi@...> wrote:
>> Ocean acidification worst for 300 million years:
>>
<http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/61812-ocean-acidification-worst-\
for-300-million-years>
>>
>> The real-world implications are nearly as terrifying as the notion of
>> the Deep Ones actually rising up and deciding to do something about
>> the way we're screwing with their home. Not only the death of a large
>> number of ocean species, but as the oceans warm up, a HUGE release of
>> CO2 and methane (which will stay in the atmosphere for centuries), and
>> a massive die-off of CO2-absorbing sea life...and it could happen
>> fast.
>>
>> This is the kind of story that can lead to despair.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
>


--
Leszek 'Leslie' Karlik

Certainly true, but Im not here to argue science, Im here to argue
conspiracy theories and gaming plot fodder.

So lets stick to those shall we?

DM

On 3/2/12, Leszek Karlik <leszek.karlik@...> wrote:
> Your research methodology might be slightly flawed.
>
> For example, you could type in Theory of Evolution Debunked into Google
> and you'll get a lot of hits.
>
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:11:15 +0100, David March
> <peoter.karantov@...> wrote:
>
>> Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
>> garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.
>>
>> Still great fodder for a DG game.
>>
>> DM
>>
>> On 3/2/12, David Farnell <azzageddi@...> wrote:
>>> Ocean acidification worst for 300 million years:
>>>
<http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/61812-ocean-acidification-worst-\
for-300-million-years>
>>>
>>> The real-world implications are nearly as terrifying as the notion of
>>> the Deep Ones actually rising up and deciding to do something about
>>> the way we're screwing with their home. Not only the death of a large
>>> number of ocean species, but as the oceans warm up, a HUGE release of
>>> CO2 and methane (which will stay in the atmosphere for centuries), and
>>> a massive die-off of CO2-absorbing sea life...and it could happen
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> This is the kind of story that can lead to despair.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Leszek 'Leslie' Karlik
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The Delta Green Mailing List:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dglist
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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“The thing I like about history is they are always making more of it, and
none of it is trademarked.” Me

Any plans to do a Delta Green audiobook?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Like everything it's subject to my crabby schedule. Possibly late next week
for the ebook.



On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM, magister76se
<martin.andersson41@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ivey <shane.ivey@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > *ARC DREAM PUBLISHING PRESENTS `DELTA GREEN: STRANGE AUTHORITIES'*
> >
> > *Coming January 2012: A Collection of the Award-Winning Cthulhu Mythos
> > Horror Fiction of John Scott Tynes*
>
> >
> > 21 December 2011 — "This is pure evil, pure destruction. This is the
> > apocalypse." And it's just getting started. In January 2012, Arc Dream
> > Publishing <http://www.arcdream.com/> will release "Delta Green: Strange
>
> > Authorities," a collection of the award-winning Cthulhu Mythos horror
> > fiction of John Scott Tynes.
>
> It's the nagging fanboy again. :) Any updates?
>
> Yrs
> Martin
>
>
>



--
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Take the Unspeakable Oath! Cthulhu Mythos gaming, every quarter (
www.theunspeakableoath.com)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> Any plans to do a Delta Green audiobook?
>

I've spoken in some detail with the guys at hppodcraft.com about doing one,
but it's an expensive proposition. We might hold a Kickstarter project for
one in the next few months.

--
Shane Ivey
Arc Dream Publishing (www.arcdream.com)
Take the Unspeakable Oath! Cthulhu Mythos gaming, every quarter (
www.theunspeakableoath.com)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Shane Ivey <shane.ivey@...> wrote:
>
> Like everything it's subject to my crabby schedule. Possibly late next week
> for the ebook.
>

:)

Thanks! :)

Yrs
Martin

Uh, Dave...

You drew first. You can't decry the barbarity of the wild west just because you
lost the gunfight you provoked.

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing






-----Original Message-----
From: David March <peoter.karantov@...>
To: dglist <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2012 6:44 am
Subject: Re: [dglist] Re: Climate change as a modern Mythos theme?




Certainly true, but Im not here to argue science, Im here to argue
conspiracy theories and gaming plot fodder.

So lets stick to those shall we?

DM

On 3/2/12, Leszek Karlik <leszek.karlik@...> wrote:
> Your research methodology might be slightly flawed.
>
> For example, you could type in Theory of Evolution Debunked into Google
> and you'll get a lot of hits.
>
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:11:15 +0100, David March
> <peoter.karantov@...> wrote:
>
>> Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
>> garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.
>>
>> Still great fodder for a DG game.
>>
>> DM
>>
>> On 3/2/12, David Farnell <azzageddi@...> wrote:
>>> Ocean acidification worst for 300 million years:
>>>
<http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-features/61812-ocean-acidification-wor\
st-for-300-million-years>
>>>
>>> The real-world implications are nearly as terrifying as the notion
of
>>> the Deep Ones actually rising up and deciding to do something about
>>> the way we're screwing with their home. Not only the death of a
large
>>> number of ocean species, but as the oceans warm up, a HUGE release
of
>>> CO2 and methane (which will stay in the atmosphere for centuries),
and
>>> a massive die-off of CO2-absorbing sea life...and it could happen
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> This is the kind of story that can lead to despair.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Leszek 'Leslie' Karlik
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> The Delta Green Mailing List:
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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When I read this, for a second there I was thinking, "Man, how would you
look up rules in an audiobook?" Then I realized this must be about DG
fiction.

Dave


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Shane Ivey <shane.ivey@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > Any plans to do a Delta Green audiobook?
> >
>
> I've spoken in some detail with the guys at hppodcraft.com about doing
> one,
> but it's an expensive proposition. We might hold a Kickstarter project for
> one in the next few months.

IF YOU NEED SOMEONE TO DO SOME AWESOME SCREAMING YOU LET ME KNOW!

The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins
Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum
__________________________________________________________________________
Negotium perambulans in tenebris

Director: Great Chuck, could you please re-read that line with a little more
excitement? Try to not sound like you're falling asleep.

Actor: THE NEXT HANDGUN IS THE COLT COMMANDER PISTOL. IT CAN FIRE .38  SUPER
AUTO, 9 MILLIMETER PARABELLUM, OR .45 ACP AMMUNITION. It's rate is multifire and
it's capa....

Director: Chuck, you fell asleep again... Chuck? Chuck!!!

--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, David Farnell <azzageddi@...> wrote:
>
> When I read this, for a second there I was thinking, "Man, how would you
> look up rules in an audiobook?" Then I realized this must be about DG
> fiction.
>
> Dave
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I would just like to share what happened after I followed your idea
about Love's Lonely Children, Dave.

Well, it was hilarious - My federal agents / fools decided (after having
found out about the porn guy and his little "secret" through some a
little unconventional means) to plant surveillance equipment inside the
home of the "unholy couple", and watch them red-handed instead of
actually breaking in.

In fact, in order to capture the ritual in its full glory, they had no
problems to go and pay a prostitute and have her be effectively
"sacrificed for the cause", so that a ritual could happen which they
could watch.

Once I understood that they had no intention of fighting in person
(cowards!) I summarily caused them some psychosomatic wounds (pretty
much as if they were there in person :) ) and then the hilarious
happened, they almost all lost their sanity checks, and lost a huge load
of SAN at once (never happened before in that scale).

Suffice it to say, all hell broke loose, and one of them had the nerve
to call A-cell and ask them "what do you advise if <name of avatar>
wants to kill us and has hit us"? Minutes later, a SWAT-like team
appeared in the middle of the night, subdued all my players and put them
into straightjackets, and burned the house down. No, effectively
annihilated the house down with grenades, while turning on the gas from
the kitchen. At 4 am.

I told them they failed their objectives, since the destruction of the
evil couple was only caused indirectly by them (not directly) and halved
the SAN bonuses of the scenario.

Now, the best thing is, they have all said the name of the god, read
portions of the book mentioning him, and two of them have non-healing
wounds in their hands.

The cure trip will be spectacular now :D

Your help was much appreciated!

-John

On 27/02/2012 02:11, David Farnell wrote:
>
> 2012/2/27 John Matzavrakos <john@...
> <mailto:john%40modszone.com>>:
> > If all else fails, I'll just take them to the land of Hastur Mythos,
> > play Night Floors that is, enhance it with a dozen more events, and
> > they'll snap (or get killed in Carcosa instead) </evil novice Keeper>
>
> One thing I did was start them off with "Love's Lonely Children" from
> the modern-day scenario collection, The Stars Are Right.
>
> s
>
> p
>
> o
>
> i
>
> l
>
> e
>
> r
>
> z
>
> Modifying this one for DG is pretty easy--just have them go in as an
> interagency missing-children task force or something. The crux of the
> scenario is that a nebbishy little porn-shop owner has become infected
> with the Y'golonac meme from reading the nastiest volume of
> Revelations of Glaaki. The investigators probably succeed in stopping
> him, though one or two of them may be bitten and thus have permanent,
> unhealing wounds, which is good for a little freakout. On top of that,
> you have this guy and his REALLY messed up wife (who, in my
> experience, tends to be the one who gets an investigator kill, more
> often than the minor deity possessing her husband--weird) who have
> done horrible, horrible things to their daughter. And you have a whole
> lot of other human evil in the scenario, which will be a lot more
> unsettling than zombies to most people.
>
> I've run this one several times, and I have actually made one player
> cry, and another one told me later that she had had nightmares
> afterwards. Is there a word in English for feeling proud and ashamed
> simultaneously?
>
> Often in that scenario, at least one player reads the book before
> turning it over to DG superiors. Thing is, al you have to do is read
> the name of the god, Y'golonac, to be infected. (So, uh, sorry
> everyone.) To make it more insidious, I had the infection start with a
> POW of 1, increasing it by 1 each day, and roll a POW vs POW struggle,
> played out as Y whispering and seducing the player into letting him
> take control. "Oh, what pleasures I will show you!"--that kind of
> thing. Realizing that she's going to lose control and become a bloated
> headless giant with mouths in her palms, the player sometimes keeps it
> quiet and searches for answers on her own (deals with Stephen Alzis,
> perhaps?), or sometimes turns to the other players for help.
>
> In one time of doing this, I decided that a cure was to be found in
> Carcosa, and this led us to The Night Floors, which became more than
> just a standard investigation: in addition to trying to solve the
> case, the team had to try to save their friend, who was by this point
> being kept sedated so she wouldn't transform. Since that character was
> out of the picture, I had her player play the Clockwork Child, which
> was a fun roleplaying experiment, as she couldn't talk or use facial
> expressions to communicate. (In fact, her character's mind had been
> put into the Clockwork Child's body by the invading Bloated One, so
> she was actually still playing her character, sort of.)
>
> To find the scroll that would remove the taint from the character's
> mind, they had to join the Tableau and play roles within the eternal
> play, The King in Yellow, eventually getting a chance to torture the
> Stranger into telling them the location of the scroll, and escaping
> just before the King in Yellow arrives. Some of them made it out
> alive; none were unscarred, physically or mentally. They did get Y out
> of their friend, but she was also much reduced in SAN. They never did
> solve the mystery of The Night Floors, though.
>
> Hope that helps,
> Dave
>
>


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Personally, I'm excited about the threat of ocean acidification. Massive
die-offs mean massive extinction which leads to open ecological niches. These
conditions result in rapid evolution as surviving species adapt to exploit the
now empty niches. We're in a unique position to observe this on a large scale.
The same view can be applied to climate change.

Now, I'm not an oceanographer, nor am I a marine biologist but I do remember
reading once that the salinity of the ocean does not vary much due to there
being abundant chemical reservoirs that can dissolve or settle-out based on the
shifting salinity of the ocean. However, assuming that the chemical reservoir is
being over-taxed by the dissolving CO2, couldn't this problem be easily solved
just by dumping a ton of antacid into the ocean?

Perhaps someone who know MORE about this subject could enlighten me.

--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Sglancy12 <SGlancy12@...> wrote:
>
> Uh, Dave...
>
> You drew first. You can't decry the barbarity of the wild west just because
you lost the gunfight you provoked.
>
> A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing

Unfortunately things aren't that simple.  You'd be introducing a given alkaline
substance into the oceans, which may temporarily balance pH issues, but then
you've got all those minerals in the ocean, and they affect things from the
bottom to the top.

Attempting to balance pH in this way is like taking Tums for a stomach ulcer. It
might make you feel better, but you still have a major problem.



On Mar 3, 2012, at 10:34 AM, "Chase W. Beck" <joeviturbo@...> wrote:

>
> Personally, I'm excited about the threat of ocean acidification. Massive
die-offs mean massive extinction which leads to open ecological niches. These
conditions result in rapid evolution as surviving species adapt to exploit the
now empty niches. We're in a unique position to observe this on a large scale.
The same view can be applied to climate change.
>
> Now, I'm not an oceanographer, nor am I a marine biologist but I do remember
reading once that the salinity of the ocean does not vary much due to there
being abundant chemical reservoirs that can dissolve or settle-out based on the
shifting salinity of the ocean. However, assuming that the chemical reservoir is
being over-taxed by the dissolving CO2, couldn't this problem be easily solved
just by dumping a ton of antacid into the ocean?
>
> Perhaps someone who know MORE about this subject could enlighten me.
>
> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Sglancy12 <SGlancy12@...> wrote:
> >
> > Uh, Dave...
> >
> > You drew first. You can't decry the barbarity of the wild west just because
you lost the gunfight you provoked.
> >
> > A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing
>
>


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See Scott I can fight the gun fight, and I certainly didnt loose it.
However I didnt think the List Mods wanted to see a flame war over AGW
develop, so I decided to back down.

I just dont want to fight here in the Saloon, when we can draw out in
the streets.

I have no problem fighting it out on a more appropriate forum, I just
dont feel like fighting it out on the Cthulu Forums.

It seems off topic.

That being said, Im just going off high school basic chemistry, but it
does seem a little ridiculous to say that Ocean Accidification is
being caused by Industrial causes by humanity.  Its more than a likely
byproduct of the natural climate change cycles that the earth goes
through, or perhaps meddlings by the Great Old Ones.  The idea that an
accident of the Elder Things could possibly have anymore than a
minimal impact on the disposition of the planet, is patently
ridiculous on the face of it.

See a more appropriate way of handling things.

DM

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none of it is trademarked.” Me

Without picking a team for flamewars... sorry, rational debate about FACTS, man!
-- an anecdote that while not Lovecraftian was kind of creepy.

Almost a decade ago I was doing some freelance work for a NOAA oceanographer who
worked on ocean acidification, in fact. This guy was LDS ("Mormon"), very
devout, very conservative, we did not get along particularly well. FWIW, he was
convinced that it was real, bad, and imminent. Well, an apocalyptic Christian
with a PhD, sure; not that uncommon. But I happened to learn that he was
vigorously and desperately trying to convince his pregnant daughter to have an
abortion. Because "[she] wouldn't want them to be here for what's going to
happen".

Within his frame of reference, at least, sounds like he'd failed a SAN roll or
two while perusing inhuman databases...

Kim

>From: David March <peoter.karantov@...>
>Subject: Re: [dglist] Re: Climate change as a modern Mythos theme?

>See Scott I can fight the gun fight, and I certainly didnt loose it.
>However I didnt think the List Mods wanted to see a flame war over AGW
>develop, so I decided to back down.
>
>I just dont want to fight here in the Saloon, when we can draw out in
>the streets.  
 
Keeping with the whole gunfighter analogy.
>> Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
>> garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.

You slapped irons first David.

So what?  Is everyone saying they want a flame war about AGW on the
Delta Green List?

Im pretty sure Im conceeded the point, Jeeze, do you guys have nothing
better to do on a Saturday afternoon than poke people with sticks?
You want that kind of aggravation go on Watts Up with That forums, and
call them poopy heads.

Go on the Huffington post website and start talking about how awesome
Sarah Palin is or go to the American Spec and tell them that Obama is
the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Now can we get back to how last night I accidentally summoned
Yog-Sothoth and had her mate with Shub Niggurath, while the Followers
of Dagon and the Shaggai duked it out with tommyguns.

DM

On 3/3/12, Giles Hill <Giles_Hill@...> wrote:
>>From: David March <peoter.karantov@...>
>>Subject: Re: [dglist] Re: Climate change as a modern Mythos theme?
>
>>See Scott I can fight the gun fight, and I certainly didnt loose it.
>>However I didnt think the List Mods wanted to see a flame war over AGW
>>develop, so I decided to back down.
>>
>>I just dont want to fight here in the Saloon, when we can draw out in
>>the streets.
>
> Keeping with the whole gunfighter analogy.
>>> Only terrifying if true, but with a lot of stuff, it sounds like utter
>>> garbage, when I type in Ocean Acidification Debunked into Google.
>
> You slapped irons first David.
>


--
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David March
CA200409006

“The thing I like about history is they are always making more of it, and
none of it is trademarked.” Me

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM, David March <peoter.karantov@...> wrote:
> So what?  Is everyone saying they want a flame war about AGW on the
> Delta Green List?
>

Yes, that is what EVERYONE is saying. You must burn... BURRRRNNNNNNN~!

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The Man in Black is : Kenneth Scroggins
Novus Ordo Seclorum : Annuit Coeptus : E Pluribus Unum
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Negotium perambulans in tenebris

fuck facts.

No, really. Fuck them. In the ear. With a large, throbbing MI Go phallus vagina
thing that spins, whirls, and sings "Gym Class Heroes" when you twist it just
so.

("If that ain't love then I don't know what is...")

The question here is not whether Global Climate Change exists, or does not.

It doesn't matter if it's manmade or totally natural, either.

What matters is... does it work in your game?

If you want to use it, then use it. As long as your players are cool with the
notion of climate change as a playable concept, then awesome.

On the other hand, if the notion rates somewhere around the indelible "racism is
bad," "corporatism is our friend, sometimes," and "sexism is bad around the
table but okay in game, sort of, but not really" tropes that we evolved GMs try
to press down the throats of impressionable players, then maybe you should leave
it out.

BUT:

We are, after all, playing a game in which the government is in league with
fucking flying saucer people, and the best defense is a decommissioned agency
turned conspiracy. Oh yeah, and there's that Cthulhu deal, too. Which isn't at
all true. We hope.

So facts took a flying leap out the window a looooooooong time ago, didn't they?

(unless...?)

SO ya'll quit arguing now, y'hear? Let's argue about something interesting for a
chance. Like how many boxes of Apple Jacks I gotta eat before I finally find
that plastic severed head they promised me as a wee lad.

J


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> Personally, I'm excited about the threat of ocean acidification.
Massive
> die-offs mean massive extinction which leads to open ecological
niches.
> These conditions result in rapid evolution as surviving species adapt
to
> exploit the now empty niches. We're in a unique position to observe
this
> on a large scale. The same view can be applied to climate change.

Regardless of whether this is due to human activities or otherwise, if
there are massive die-offs in the oceans, humanity won't be a
disinterested observer, given that most of the planet's oxygen comes
from algae in the seas and oceans, and the algae are the basis of most
food chains in the oceans. Being at the top of the food chain, anything
which damages the balance of life in the oceans will impact us... hard.

So from a Delta Green perspective, if this is due to human activity,
perhaps it isn't simply us innocently messing with the planetary
biosphere, but some agency using us to 'terraform' the planet into a
form more conducive for *them*. If it isn't due to us, then again, maybe
something or someone down in the ocean depths (or even the crust or
mantle) is working to 'terraform' the planet...

Hmm, Earth's oxygen dominated atmosphere only dates back to the very
late Archaean, the oxygen rich atmosphere about two billion years ago,
and given the age of the planet, that's a mere fraction of its history.

Who or what was here earlier than that who might want a return to the
earlier status quo? And of course reducing the atmospheric oxygen is an
effective way of 'clearing off' most of the existing biosphere.

"Who or what was here earlier than that who might want a return to the
earlier status quo? And of course reducing the atmospheric oxygen is an
effective way of 'clearing off' most of the existing biosphere"



A now concluded but long term DG-ish campaign I was running got a lot of
mileage out of this.I had replaced the Mi-Go in the conspiracy with Serpent
People who had a long term aim of terraforming the planet for their return
en-masse from the Dreamlands (which were slowly being destroyed due to the
effects of the "Cathuria Gambit"). They wanted a more favourable environment
for themselves and the collapse of human infrastructure in an
eco-catastrophe was designed to make their enslavement that much easier.







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0003 Sunday, 04 March 2012

Hello all,

You don't have to stop arguing, and you don't have to do it here. Get each
other's email addresses, and have at it. The rest of the list has no obligation
to serve as your audience.

I ask nicely only because my account doesn't have admin privileges. The delete
key on my keyboard wears out.

---
Jay Dugger

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Jay Dugger <jay.dugger@...> wrote:
>
> You don't have to stop arguing, and you don't have to do it here. Get each
other's email addresses, and have at it. The rest of the list has no obligation
to serve as your audience.
>

I respectfully disagree. There have been several posts on that thread
that deal specifically with how to use climate change in a Delta Green
campaign. The last two (Martin and Myki) to have posted have carried
the discussion in that regard, so it's definitely headed in the right
direction. I'm more than happy to serve as an audience for that kind
of thread, which is neither flameworthy nor anywhere near off-topic.

As you use gmail, you should be able to use the "Filter messages like
these" function (it's under the "More" button on my gmail theme) and
set up a filter that will trash posts with that particular subject.

--
Gil Trevizo
gtrevizo@...
gtrevizo.blogspot.com

I have to agree with Gil. Politicized arguments over whether climate
change is occurring or whether humans have anything to do with it are,
indeed, off-topic for this list, but I thought that minor tussle had
been settled hours ago. So I don't see any need to treat this as a
topic that's so radioactive that we must avoid at all costs. As long
as things stay focused on how to use it for the game, it's valid.

Dave

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:55 PM, John Matzavrakos <john@...> wrote:
> Your help was much appreciated!

Good to hear it. Things certainly went differently from the times I
ran it, but then players do tend to be an unpredictable lot.

Dave

--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Jay Dugger <jay.dugger@...> wrote:
> >
[snip]

> I respectfully disagree. There have been several posts on that thread
> that deal specifically with how to use climate change in a Delta Green
> campaign. The last two (Martin and Myki) to have posted have carried
> the discussion in that regard, so it's definitely headed in the right
> direction. I'm more than happy to serve as an audience for that kind
> of thread, which is neither flameworthy nor anywhere near off-topic.
>

Fair enough. G.T. and D.F. claim the thread's SNR climbs. That disagrees with my
judgement of the thread, but I defer to you both on the point.

> As you use gmail, you should be able to use the "Filter messages

[snip]

Thank you for the reminder. I read DGML's RSS feed, so that particular
suggestion doesn't help me, although it generally makes good advice. I have
plonked a-plenty, believe me.