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#24588 From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
Date: Sat Aug 1, 2009 3:46 pm
Subject: Prototype crossover mini-campaign
clockwerkjoe
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Running a mini DG campaign using the material from the video game Prototype.
The wiki gives a lot of info if you aren't familiar with it already.
http://prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Prototype_Wiki

Here's the basic setup: The PCs are a crew for **Phenomenon-X who first
investigated Hope Idaho but got caught up in a struggle between DG and
MJ-12. MJ-12 is behind BLACKWATCH and the BLACKLIGHT virus. DG wants to the
hte PCs as an expendable investigation team that will help a DG cell already
in Manhattan. Their goal is to learn as much as possible about the virus.
I'll base it as a open ended investigation - but as time goes on, more of
the island becomes more infected and dangerous and the military becomes more
brutal when dealing with civilians. The key to surviving though is finding
an ally who will protect them against the hordes of infected monsters
running around - most likely Alex Mercer. However, I will play Mercerer more
like a mythos entity than anti-hero - he is a cold blooded killer who thinks
nothing of consuming someone in order to learn what they know or just to
regain health.

So, anyone got any ideas for encounters/NPCs/etc? Also, how do you think the
DG universe groups will react to Prototype? I am thinking of having the Fate
evacuate while the ghouls dig deep to avoid the infected.





--
Ross Payton
Raillery: A Comedy video podcast
http://www.raillery.tv


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#24589 From: Robert Lint <ktulu_rises@...>
Date: Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Prototype crossover mini-campaign
ktulu_rises
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Ross,

More a bunch of questions at you then helpful comments, but I hope it gets some
things cooking:

1) It sounds like you are going to slow the infection rate to something a little
more manageable than the rate in the game?  If that's true, there wouldn't be
any reason for the Fate to evacuate at all.  They could have a

2) "Video-Game-Alex" is amazingly flashy.  Would it be more effective game wise
to make him as powerful but more stealthy?
Also, having Alex devour a literally just-killed PC solely to get his skills at
fill-in-the-blank would be a great way to show him as a remorseless consuming
entity.

As far as an encounter, having played the game for hours and hours and finishing
it twice <POTENTIAL SPOILER>







From the vice-presidents speech, I get the feeling the media has been completely
contained somehow.  A nice encounter would be for some young zit-faced marines
to come and attempt to seize the players camera equipment at gunpoint.  Then
Mercer arrives on the scene.

Also, re-watch "Escape From New York" for inspiration about ways people would
try and escape that the game couldn't portray - rafts, attempts to hold
"important people" hostage, etc.

  -----
Why is it so hard for a culture fundamentally married to consumption to realize
that we are eaten at every step of the way as well?




________________________________
From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 8:46:56 AM
Subject: [dglist] Prototype crossover mini-campaign

Running a mini DG campaign using the material from the video game Prototype.
The wiki gives a lot of info if you aren't familiar with it already.
http://prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Prototype_Wiki

Here's the basic setup: The PCs are a crew for **Phenomenon-X who first
investigated Hope Idaho but got caught up in a struggle between DG and
MJ-12. MJ-12 is behind BLACKWATCH and the BLACKLIGHT virus. DG wants to the
hte PCs as an expendable investigation team that will help a DG cell already
in Manhattan. Their goal is to learn as much as possible about the virus.
I'll base it as a open ended investigation - but as time goes on, more of
the island becomes more infected and dangerous and the military becomes more
brutal when dealing with civilians. The key to surviving though is finding
an ally who will protect them against the hordes of infected monsters
running around - most likely Alex Mercer. However, I will play Mercerer more
like a mythos entity than anti-hero - he is a cold blooded killer who thinks
nothing of consuming someone in order to learn what they know or just to
regain health.

So, anyone got any ideas for encounters/NPCs/etc? Also, how do you think the
DG universe groups will react to Prototype? I am thinking of having the Fate
evacuate while the ghouls dig deep to avoid the infected.





--
Ross Payton
Raillery: A Comedy video podcast
http://www.raillery.tv


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#24590 From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
Date: Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: Prototype crossover mini-campaign
clockwerkjoe
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1. I think the Fate would recognize that the virus is Bad News and wouldn't
want to be in a city swarming with military anyway - no way to conduct
business with that much chaos. Also Alzis undoubtedly can see that the virus
is is derived from protomatter and the city will probably get nuked.

2. I'm thinking of Alex as a minor Great Old One in terms of power and views
on humanity although much more naive since he is so new - he's on par with
Dagon and similar entities in terms of hitting and durability although he
has little understanding of what he is or the mythos in general. The PCs
might try to reason with him but that may be more dangerous than dealing
with black ops kill squads.

3. That's a good point - more evacuation panic will really add to it.


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Robert Lint <ktulu_rises@...> wrote:

> Ross,
>
> More a bunch of questions at you then helpful comments, but I hope it gets
> some things cooking:
>
> 1) It sounds like you are going to slow the infection rate to something a
> little more manageable than the rate in the game?  If that's true, there
> wouldn't be any reason for the Fate to evacuate at all.  They could have a
>
> 2) "Video-Game-Alex" is amazingly flashy.  Would it be more effective game
> wise to make him as powerful but more stealthy?
> Also, having Alex devour a literally just-killed PC solely to get his
> skills at fill-in-the-blank would be a great way to show him as a
> remorseless consuming entity.
>
> As far as an encounter, having played the game for hours and hours and
> finishing it twice <POTENTIAL SPOILER>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From the vice-presidents speech, I get the feeling the media has been
> completely contained somehow.  A nice encounter would be for some young
> zit-faced marines to come and attempt to seize the players camera equipment
> at gunpoint.  Then Mercer arrives on the scene.
>
> Also, re-watch "Escape From New York" for inspiration about ways people
> would try and escape that the game couldn't portray - rafts, attempts to
> hold "important people" hostage, etc.
>
>  -----
> Why is it so hard for a culture fundamentally married to consumption to
> realize that we are eaten at every step of the way as well?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
> To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 8:46:56 AM
> Subject: [dglist] Prototype crossover mini-campaign
>
> Running a mini DG campaign using the material from the video game
> Prototype.
> The wiki gives a lot of info if you aren't familiar with it already.
> http://prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Prototype_Wiki
>
> Here's the basic setup: The PCs are a crew for **Phenomenon-X who first
> investigated Hope Idaho but got caught up in a struggle between DG and
> MJ-12. MJ-12 is behind BLACKWATCH and the BLACKLIGHT virus. DG wants to the
> hte PCs as an expendable investigation team that will help a DG cell
> already
> in Manhattan. Their goal is to learn as much as possible about the virus.
> I'll base it as a open ended investigation - but as time goes on, more of
> the island becomes more infected and dangerous and the military becomes
> more
> brutal when dealing with civilians. The key to surviving though is finding
> an ally who will protect them against the hordes of infected monsters
> running around - most likely Alex Mercer. However, I will play Mercerer
> more
> like a mythos entity than anti-hero - he is a cold blooded killer who
> thinks
> nothing of consuming someone in order to learn what they know or just to
> regain health.
>
> So, anyone got any ideas for encounters/NPCs/etc? Also, how do you think
> the
> DG universe groups will react to Prototype? I am thinking of having the
> Fate
> evacuate while the ghouls dig deep to avoid the infected.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Payton
> Raillery: A Comedy video podcast
> http://www.raillery.tv
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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http://www.raillery.tv


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#24591 From: Joe Crazyperson <joe.crazyperson@...>
Date: Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: Prototype crossover mini-campaign
theunholyrav...
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Anyone familiar with the DMZ comicbook? I always was reminded of it during
the Prototype game and I'm sure people could get ideas for how to run a
truly military locked-down New York by reading the series. Also, I think you
could tie back the "protomatter virus" to a genetic sample taken by the
government from some GOO or other mythos entity - isn't there is a lesser
god in the Maellus Monstrum who is just a virus factory similar to the woman
from the game?

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Ross Payton <rpayton@...> wrote:

>
>
> 1. I think the Fate would recognize that the virus is Bad News and wouldn't
> want to be in a city swarming with military anyway - no way to conduct
> business with that much chaos. Also Alzis undoubtedly can see that the
> virus
> is is derived from protomatter and the city will probably get nuked.
>
> 2. I'm thinking of Alex as a minor Great Old One in terms of power and
> views
> on humanity although much more naive since he is so new - he's on par with
> Dagon and similar entities in terms of hitting and durability although he
> has little understanding of what he is or the mythos in general. The PCs
> might try to reason with him but that may be more dangerous than dealing
> with black ops kill squads.
>
> 3. That's a good point - more evacuation panic will really add to it.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Robert Lint
<ktulu_rises@...<ktulu_rises%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Ross,
> >
> > More a bunch of questions at you then helpful comments, but I hope it
> gets
> > some things cooking:
> >
> > 1) It sounds like you are going to slow the infection rate to something a
> > little more manageable than the rate in the game? If that's true, there
> > wouldn't be any reason for the Fate to evacuate at all. They could have a
> >
> > 2) "Video-Game-Alex" is amazingly flashy. Would it be more effective game
> > wise to make him as powerful but more stealthy?
> > Also, having Alex devour a literally just-killed PC solely to get his
> > skills at fill-in-the-blank would be a great way to show him as a
> > remorseless consuming entity.
> >
> > As far as an encounter, having played the game for hours and hours and
> > finishing it twice <POTENTIAL SPOILER>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From the vice-presidents speech, I get the feeling the media has been
> > completely contained somehow. A nice encounter would be for some young
> > zit-faced marines to come and attempt to seize the players camera
> equipment
> > at gunpoint. Then Mercer arrives on the scene.
> >
> > Also, re-watch "Escape From New York" for inspiration about ways people
> > would try and escape that the game couldn't portray - rafts, attempts to
> > hold "important people" hostage, etc.
> >
> > -----
> > Why is it so hard for a culture fundamentally married to consumption to
> > realize that we are eaten at every step of the way as well?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ross Payton <rpayton@... <rpayton%40gmail.com>>
> > To: dglist@yahoogroups.com <dglist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 8:46:56 AM
> > Subject: [dglist] Prototype crossover mini-campaign
> >
> > Running a mini DG campaign using the material from the video game
> > Prototype.
> > The wiki gives a lot of info if you aren't familiar with it already.
> > http://prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Prototype_Wiki
> >
> > Here's the basic setup: The PCs are a crew for **Phenomenon-X who first
> > investigated Hope Idaho but got caught up in a struggle between DG and
> > MJ-12. MJ-12 is behind BLACKWATCH and the BLACKLIGHT virus. DG wants to
> the
> > hte PCs as an expendable investigation team that will help a DG cell
> > already
> > in Manhattan. Their goal is to learn as much as possible about the virus.
> > I'll base it as a open ended investigation - but as time goes on, more of
> > the island becomes more infected and dangerous and the military becomes
> > more
> > brutal when dealing with civilians. The key to surviving though is
> finding
> > an ally who will protect them against the hordes of infected monsters
> > running around - most likely Alex Mercer. However, I will play Mercerer
> > more
> > like a mythos entity than anti-hero - he is a cold blooded killer who
> > thinks
> > nothing of consuming someone in order to learn what they know or just to
> > regain health.
> >
> > So, anyone got any ideas for encounters/NPCs/etc? Also, how do you think
> > the
> > DG universe groups will react to Prototype? I am thinking of having the
> > Fate
> > evacuate while the ghouls dig deep to avoid the infected.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ross Payton
> > Raillery: A Comedy video podcast
> > http://www.raillery.tv
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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#24592 From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
Date: Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:16 am
Subject: Baron Roman Nikolai Maximilian Ungern von Sternberg - craziest warlord of the 20th century
clockwerkjoe
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http://zenpundit.com/?p=3170

*Palmer recounts how the Baron fled with a ragtag band of followers to
Chinese occupied Mongolia, where, in a series of bizarre circumstances, the
Baron managed to destroy a sizable Chinese army (charging on horseback
straight into enemy machine gun fire and emerging unscathed), seized the
fortified capital, restored the “living Buddha” the Bogd
Khan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogd_Khan>to the throne and become
celebrated the eyes of the Mongolians, variously
as the reincarnation of Ghengis Khan and/or the prophesied coming of
the ”God of War”. Naturally, to further his dream of building a pan-Asian
Buddhist Empire, Baron Ungern unleashed a nightmarish reign of terror in
Mongolia, taking especial and personal delight in the executions of Jews and
captured commissars.*

*Ungern’s final foray in battle, before his capture, trial and execution at
the hands of the Bolsheviks, is like something out of the Dark Ages:*

*With this final defeat, Ungern shed any trace of civilization. He rode
silently with bowed head in front of the column. he had lost his hat and
most of his clothes. On his naked chest numerous Mongolian talismans and
charms hung on a bright yellow cord. He looked like a prehistoric ape-man.
People were afraid to look at him.*

*Despite the best efforts of the Bolshevik prosecutor to focus upon
political motives, even the Soviet revolutionary tribunal that condemned him
to death on Lenin’s orders, considered the Baron to be a dangerous madman.*
*Holy Shit*

Excuse me while I write a CoC scenario about this guy - make that a
campaign.

Obviously this is too easy as a 1920s era scenario.

How about in the modern DG era?

ObDG: Mongolian sorcerer resurrects him as an enforcer/assassin but
Sternberg escapes to become a new drug lord in the wilds of Asia -
Afghanistan maybe?
Alternate - He was obviously corrupted by mythos forces but the charms he
wore in his last battle survived. A museum now wishes to display them after
an archeologist has found them - but they spread madness and chaos where
they go.


--
Ross Payton
Raillery: A Comedy video podcast
http://www.raillery.tv


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#24593 From: SGlancy12@...
Date: Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:57 am
Subject: Re: Baron Roman Nikolai Maximilian Ungern von Sternberg - craziest  warlord of the 20th century
adamscottglancy
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In a message dated 8/3/09 11:17:39 PM, rpayton@... writes:

> Excuse me while I write a CoC scenario about this guy - make that a
> campaign.
>
Well, I don't know about a campaign, but... remember that scenario I was
going to run at GenCon involving the US Siberian Expeditionary Force and
armored trains? Ungern-Sternberg and Semenov   are skulking around that
scenario.
It takes place near Chita, the area the two of them were terrorizing before
the Bolsheviks drove them out of Siberia.

As for their involvement with the Mythos... well, anything I have to say on
that point would be telling, wouldn't it.

I couldn't get the scenario done this GenCon because I'm still editing
Delta Green: Targets of Opportunity... 191,000 words people... Down to the last
60,000 or so.

Maybe armored trains next time?


A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing



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#24594 From: Ville Halonen <vhalone@...>
Date: Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: Baron Roman Nikolai Maximilian Ungern von Sternberg - craziest warlord of the 20th century
halsqui
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>
> *Despite the best efforts of the Bolshevik prosecutor to focus upon
> political motives, even the Soviet revolutionary tribunal that condemned
> him
> to death on Lenin’s orders, considered the Baron to be a dangerous madman.*
> *Holy Shit*
>
> Excuse me while I write a CoC scenario about this guy - make that a
> campaign.
>

Please read Hugo Pratt's terrific comic book "Corto Maltese in Siberia"
first. It's got the Baron, armored trains, Rasputin, mysticism, politics and
*loads* of other good stuff. The basic mood is probably a bit too romantic
or adventure-y for direct DG inspiration, but still, loads of goodness and
ideas and details there. I've used Pratt's stuff as REALLY hidden
backstories for my Unknown Armies games.

-V

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#24595 From: Marshall Gatten <marshall@...>
Date: Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: Protodimension Magazine - Premiere Issue now available
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Very cool mag. Thanks for the material!!

Reading through this, I found The Jack That House Built to be a very
inspiring idea for a follow-up to Night Floors if the investigators have
burned the MacAllistair building to the ground a few years earlier. Of
course, that the main character's name happens to be Abigail certainly
helped my brain make that connection.

I also loved the idea of Billy and the World All Topsy-Turvy. I don't
know yet how I'll use it, but that tome is definitely going to make an
appearance in one of my games.

The one and only thing I didn't like about the mag was it's funky
landscape layout. When I print a large pdf I'll usually set it to print
two-up, two-sided, in book flow format so that a fold and a couple
staples later I wind up with an 8-1/2" by 5-1/2" booklet. I printed this
one to take a on a plane trip and couldn't find a way to get it into
book flow format. I still did the 2-up double sided thing, but had to
just put the staple in the corner and read it like a giant memo. Going
to a portrait format would make it oh-so-much-more readable.

Awesome content, though, and if page orientation is my only gripe then
that must mean I really, really liked it. So thanks again for the
excellent content! It sure made my plane ride a lot shorter.

Marshall


Lee Williams wrote:
> Greetings all.
>
> We are very pleased to announce that Issue 1 of Protodimension
> Magazine is now available for download. Protodimension is a free PDF
> publication
> focusing on modern and near-future horror and conspiracy genre roleplaying.
>
> You can get a copy from here:
>
> http://www.protodimension.com/zine/?page_id=101
>
>

#24596 From: Lee Williams <Morthrai@...>
Date: Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: Protodimension Magazine - Premiere Issue now available
morthrai
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I have to say thanks very much Marshall! We are glad that someone
likes our little effort.

We aren't actually covering DG officially yet (and yes I have already
been in contact with the esteemed Mr Glancy), but there will be
articles in future issues covering modern-day Mythos and non-Mythos
material, as well as generic contemporary horror stuff.

As for the layout, we just thought it was worth a shot...really no
other reason. At least it made your plane trip a little more
interesting, yes? :-)

#24597 From: "Michael Tresca" <talien@...>
Date: Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:45 am
Subject: D.C.’s ‘invisible army’ for Christ
mtresca
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It's the most well-connected religious organization that no one talks about.
Formed in 1935 by an itinerant preacher, Norwegian immigrant Abraham Vereide,
the Family has grown into "a veritable underground of Christ's men all through
government," in the words of Family member and evangelical minister Charles
Colson, the convicted Watergate conspirator. The Washington-based group counts
many prominent politicians, mostly conservative Republicans, among its flock,
and several members of Congress pay $600 a month to rent rooms in the group's
townhouse on C Street, near the U.S. Capitol. There are Family "prayer cells" in
many federal agencies, including the Pentagon and the Justice Department.

http://www.theweek.com/article/index/98841/DCs_invisible_army_for_Christ

FBI AGENT/DG RECRUITER: I'm offering you an opportunity to be part of a secret
cell within the government that battles the forces of evil...

FBI AGENT/FAMILY MEMBER: Oh, you're a member too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)

#24598 From: "Michael Tresca" <talien@...>
Date: Wed Aug 5, 2009 1:02 am
Subject: Strange New Air Force Facility Energizes Ionosphere, Fans Conspiracy Flames
mtresca
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All about HAARP:
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-08/mf_haarp?currentPage=all

One of the first ideas came mid-decade from Bernard Eastlund, a physicist
working for oil-and-gas conglomerate Atlantic Richfield. Arco had the rights to
trillions of cubic feet of natural gas under Alaska's North Slope. The problem
had always been how to get that gas to the port at Valdez. Eastlund had a better
idea: Use the gas onsite to fuel a giant ionospheric heater. Such a facility, he
wrote in a series of patents, could fry Soviet missiles in midflight or maybe
even nudge cyclones and other extreme weather toward enemies. That's right:
weaponized hurricanes.

Now the scientists had some startup cash, but they also needed hardware—and for
that, they had to enlist the military. In a series of meetings in the winter of
1989-90, the field's leading lights, including Papadopoulos, pitched the Navy
and the Air Force. Haarp, they asserted, could lead to "significant operational
capabilities." They'd build a giant phased antenna array that would aim a finely
tuned beam of high- frequency radio waves into the sky. The beam would excite
electrons in the ionosphere, altering that spot's conductivity and inducing it
to emit its own extremely low frequency waves, which could theoretically
penetrate the earth's surface to reveal hidden bunkers or be used to contact
deeply submerged submarines.

Begich told his audiences that Haarp was a high-powered weapon prototype. Forget
spying underground with low-frequency waves—Haarp was so strong it could trigger
earthquakes. And by dumping all those radio waves into the ionosphere, Haarp
could turn a miles-wide portion of the upper atmosphere into a giant lens. "The
result will be an absolutely catastrophic release of pure energy," he wrote.
"The sky would literally appear to burn."

OBDG: Hello, Azathoth?  Are you out there?  It's us, foolish humanity, trying to
harness your awesome power...

#24599 From: ialdaloboth genzundheit <ialdaloboth@...>
Date: Wed Aug 5, 2009 12:28 pm
Subject: RE: Strange New Air Force Facility Energizes Ionosphere, Fans Conspiracy Flames
ialdaloboth
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They used HAARP in the GIJoe Resolute cartoon Warren Ellis wrote for Cartoon
Network, recently.

J



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> To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
> From: talien@...
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:02:35 +0000
> Subject: [dglist] Strange New Air Force Facility Energizes Ionosphere, Fans
Conspiracy Flames
>
> All about HAARP:
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-08/mf_haarp?currentPage=all


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#24600 From: "panchakahq" <panchakahq@...>
Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 4:02 pm
Subject: Templars, Inc.
panchakahq
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Blog post about Blackwater, including links to a pair of affadavits crying out
to be mined for DG ore.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/08/former_employees_accuse_blackw.php

"Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the
warriors who fought the Crusades." (Hah! Probably *are* resuscitated Templars.)

Also, wife-swapping (don't all DG cells do that too, though) and child
prostitutes. Really, short of name-checking Alzis or Alhazred, this has it all.

Kim

#24601 From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 2:45 am
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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More info here http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill

They brought in illegal weapons like grenade launchers and "Specifically, he
alleges that Prince "obtained illegal ammunition from an American company
called LeMas. This company sold ammunition designed to explode after
penetrating within the human body. Mr. Prince's employees repeatedly used
this illegal ammunition in Iraq to inflict maximum damage on Iraqis."

They repeatedly ignored mental health warnings about guards - sending over
""men making statements about wanting to deploy to Iraq to 'kill ragheads'
or achieve 'kills' or 'body counts,'" as well as "excessive drinking" and
"steroid use."

My take on it: This is the anti-DG - an illegal conspiracy but without a
higher purpose or the greater good. They only seek to profiteer. Probably
not mythos contaminated but would fall prey to any evil mythos aware group -
For example, Tiger Transit could approach them through their CIA contacts
and easily convert their mentally damaged guards into cultists.



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:02 AM, panchakahq <panchakahq@...>wrote:

> Blog post about Blackwater, including links to a pair of affadavits crying
> out to be mined for DG ore.
>
>
> http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/08/former_employees_accuse_blackw.php
>
> "Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the
> warriors who fought the Crusades." (Hah! Probably *are* resuscitated
> Templars.)
>
> Also, wife-swapping (don't all DG cells do that too, though) and child
> prostitutes. Really, short of name-checking Alzis or Alhazred, this has it
> all.
>
> Kim
>
>
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#24602 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:26 am
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Ross Payton<rpayton@...> wrote:
> More info here http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
>
> They brought in illegal weapons like grenade launchers and "Specifically, he
> alleges that Prince "obtained illegal ammunition from an American company
> called LeMas. This company sold ammunition designed to explode after
> penetrating within the human body. Mr. Prince's employees repeatedly used
> this illegal ammunition in Iraq to inflict maximum damage on Iraqis."
>
> They repeatedly ignored mental health warnings about guards - sending over
> ""men making statements about wanting to deploy to Iraq to 'kill ragheads'
> or achieve 'kills' or 'body counts,'" as well as "excessive drinking" and
> "steroid use."
>
> My take on it: This is the anti-DG - an illegal conspiracy but without a
> higher purpose or the greater good. They only seek to profiteer. Probably
> not mythos contaminated but would fall prey to any evil mythos aware group -
> For example, Tiger Transit could approach them through their CIA contacts
> and easily convert their mentally damaged guards into cultists.
>

Just for a different perspective, I really don't get the "smuggling
weapons into Iraq" angle.  From the guys I've talked to and the gun
rags, Iraq is like a candy store for gun nuts.  Everything from old
British arms to high explosives are readily available.  If anything,
I'd expect the smuggling went the other way... as in, we're gonna need
a bigger Green Box.

Also, just in case someone wants to get all gunfondler on Le Mas ammo...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81496

Short answer: It's BS.  Behaves the same as regular ammo.


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And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
it.
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#24603 From: Ross Payton <rpayton@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:42 am
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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Well, in order to procure those guns locally in Iraq, you would have to make
contact with various locals and it seems Blackwater was run by xenophobic
crusaders who apparently lacked the savvy or desire to even talk to the
right people - plus they probably wanted to keep everything in-house - loose
lips and all that. It also feeds into their choice of ammo - they lacked the
real expertise to understand that the bullets were a waste of money.



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Ross Payton<rpayton@...> wrote:
> > More info here http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
> >
> > They brought in illegal weapons like grenade launchers and "Specifically,
> he
> > alleges that Prince "obtained illegal ammunition from an American company
> > called LeMas. This company sold ammunition designed to explode after
> > penetrating within the human body. Mr. Prince's employees repeatedly used
> > this illegal ammunition in Iraq to inflict maximum damage on Iraqis."
> >
> > They repeatedly ignored mental health warnings about guards - sending
> over
> > ""men making statements about wanting to deploy to Iraq to 'kill
> ragheads'
> > or achieve 'kills' or 'body counts,'" as well as "excessive drinking" and
> > "steroid use."
> >
> > My take on it: This is the anti-DG - an illegal conspiracy but without a
> > higher purpose or the greater good. They only seek to profiteer. Probably
> > not mythos contaminated but would fall prey to any evil mythos aware
> group -
> > For example, Tiger Transit could approach them through their CIA contacts
> > and easily convert their mentally damaged guards into cultists.
> >
>
> Just for a different perspective, I really don't get the "smuggling
> weapons into Iraq" angle.  From the guys I've talked to and the gun
> rags, Iraq is like a candy store for gun nuts.  Everything from old
> British arms to high explosives are readily available.  If anything,
> I'd expect the smuggling went the other way... as in, we're gonna need
> a bigger Green Box.
>
> Also, just in case someone wants to get all gunfondler on Le Mas ammo...
>
> http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81496
>
> Short answer: It's BS.  Behaves the same as regular ammo.
>
>
> --
> I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate.
> And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
> it.
>  - Jack Handey
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>


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#24604 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:57 am
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Ross Payton<rpayton@...> wrote:
> Well, in order to procure those guns locally in Iraq, you would have to make
> contact with various locals and it seems Blackwater was run by xenophobic
> crusaders who apparently lacked the savvy or desire to even talk to the
> right people - plus they probably wanted to keep everything in-house - loose
> lips and all that. It also feeds into their choice of ammo - they lacked the
> real expertise to understand that the bullets were a waste of money.
>

OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
incompetent was never one of them.  I can see them demoing the ammo at
their training facility stateside... but buying into marketing hype
not so much.

On the arms smuggling allegations specifically there's this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17149369/

Which kinda looks like two employees of Blackwater were involved, but
it's unclear if the company itself was investigated.

"Cashwell and Grumiaux pleaded guilty in early 2007 to possession of
stolen firearms that had been shipped in interstate or foreign
commerce, and aided and abetted another in doing so, according to
court papers viewed by The Associated Press. In their plea agreements,
which call for a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $250,000
fine, the men agreed to testify in any future proceedings.

Calls to defense attorneys were not immediately returned Friday
evening, and calls to the telephone listings for both men also were
not returned.

The News & Observer, citing unidentified sources, reported that the
probe was looking at whether Blackwater had shipped unlicensed
automatic weapons and military goods to Iraq without a license.

The paper’s report that the company itself was under investigation
could not be confirmed by the AP."


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And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
it.
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#24605 From: Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
furrylogic2
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Russell Rayburn<rusrayburn@...> wrote:
> OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
> incompetent was never one of them.

Russell, what sources do you have for that? A Google News search or
tracking many of the references on their Wikipedia page shows that
Blackwater has a "unprofessional" track record at best. The co-founder
of Blackwater left the company in 2000 because he thought its training
ground was being used mostly "as a 'playground' for Erik’s [Prince,
the sole owner] rich friends". The ambush of Blackwater employees, who
were operating without proper protection in a cowboy manner, in March
2004 precipitated the Battle of Fallujah. And it just goes on and
on...

obDG: Contractors have become a necessary evil, and would probably be
much easier to acquire for deniable operations than the (forged)
bureaucratic paperwork to get extra muscle through official means.
Having the PC's take the bait of getting some more firepower when they
make their raid by tapping into PMCs might be just the thing to
convince them that are *should* be on their own, when the
trigger-happy gun-smuggling Christian-obsessed PMCs start creating
"incidents" with the locals that draws media attention.

--

Gil Trevizo
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#24606 From: Joe Crazyperson <joe.crazyperson@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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It never ceases to amaze me how much more I learn about politics and what's
going on (or went on) from DG list than the news or any dozen other sources.
Keep up the good work guys, I'm glad someone is out there researching and
keeping an eye on this stuff, even if its a bunch of gamers looking to mine
it for conspiratorial roleplaying games.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Russell Rayburn<rusrayburn@...>
> wrote:
> > OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
> > incompetent was never one of them.
>
> Russell, what sources do you have for that? A Google News search or
> tracking many of the references on their Wikipedia page shows that
> Blackwater has a "unprofessional" track record at best. The co-founder
> of Blackwater left the company in 2000 because he thought its training
> ground was being used mostly "as a 'playground' for Erik’s [Prince,
> the sole owner] rich friends". The ambush of Blackwater employees, who
> were operating without proper protection in a cowboy manner, in March
> 2004 precipitated the Battle of Fallujah. And it just goes on and
> on...
>
> obDG: Contractors have become a necessary evil, and would probably be
> much easier to acquire for deniable operations than the (forged)
> bureaucratic paperwork to get extra muscle through official means.
> Having the PC's take the bait of getting some more firepower when they
> make their raid by tapping into PMCs might be just the thing to
> convince them that are *should* be on their own, when the
> trigger-happy gun-smuggling Christian-obsessed PMCs start creating
> "incidents" with the locals that draws media attention.
>
> --
>
> Gil Trevizo
> gtrevizo@...
>
>
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#24607 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gil Trevizo<gtrevizo@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Russell Rayburn<rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>> OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
>> incompetent was never one of them.
>
> Russell, what sources do you have for that? A Google News search or
> tracking many of the references on their Wikipedia page shows that
> Blackwater has a "unprofessional" track record at best. The co-founder
> of Blackwater left the company in 2000 because he thought its training
> ground was being used mostly "as a 'playground' for Erik’s [Prince,
> the sole owner] rich friends". The ambush of Blackwater employees, who
> were operating without proper protection in a cowboy manner, in March
> 2004 precipitated the Battle of Fallujah. And it just goes on and
> on...
>

Most of the complaints I've seen revolve around Blackwater being too
trigger happy or, in the case of the wrongful death suit, that a
profit motive was put over operational concerns.

In terms of protecting State Department officials I've not seen
evidence those they were protecting were ill served.


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And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
it.
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#24608 From: Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
furrylogic2
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Russell Rayburn<rusrayburn@...> wrote:
> In terms of protecting State Department officials I've not seen
> evidence those they were protecting were ill served.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/world/middleeast/04contractor.html?_r=1&hp

"In an interview on Tuesday evening, Mr. Moonen declined to discuss
the episode, in which, American and Iraqi officials say, a Blackwater
worker who had been drinking heavily got into a confrontation with a
bodyguard to Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi and shot him three times.
The guard, Raheem Khalif, died early the next day at an American
military hospital."

I think that's an obvious case of being ill-served. And it should be
noted that the State Department has been canceling those contracts as
soon as possible.

obDG: I dunno, thought I gave a decent one last time. Russell, could
provide some DG relevance here, or maybe we ought to drop this aspect
of the thread.

--

Gil Trevizo
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#24609 From: Giles Hill <Giles_Hill@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:12 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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@Gil

I'm with you in regards Blackwater the company being unproffessional, but
certainly in the early stages a considerable proportion of Black Water employees
were technically very compotent.

The Blackwater operators who died in Fallujah on March 31, 2004 included a
former SEAL and an Army Ranger (the others may also have been Army Rangers I'm
not sure)

I believe lack of professionalism on behalf of Blackwater can be put down to
those in charge, because at worst they encouraged the behaviour among those they
employed, at best they failed to discourage it.

This is not to say that individuals weren't unprofessional, just in most cases
they certainly didn't lack for technical competence as well.

From the DG point of view the idea management might have an agenda other than
making money and subsequently influencing the way the stiffs of the ground
operate because of it, seems a standard trope for this sort of scenario and well
worth investigating.

Giles





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> From: Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...>
> To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 7 August, 2009 4:28:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [dglist] Templars, Inc.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Russell Rayburn wrote:
> > OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
> > incompetent was never one of them.
>
> Russell, what sources do you have for that? A Google News search or
> tracking many of the references on their Wikipedia page shows that
> Blackwater has a "unprofessional" track record at best.

#24610 From: "panchakahq" <panchakahq@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
panchakahq
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--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gil Trevizo<gtrevizo@...> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Russell Rayburn<rusrayburn@...> wrote:
> >> OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
> >> incompetent was never one of them.
> >
> > Russell, what sources do you have for that? A Google News search or
[snip, snip]

{headdesk} What the hell, guys? I offer up Templars organizing swingers' parties
for DG-ization, and the list manages to turn it into pure War Nerd wannabeism???
Bah!

Kim

#24611 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Templars, Inc.
rusrayburn@...
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:17 PM, panchakahq<panchakahq@...> wrote:
> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Gil Trevizo<gtrevizo@...> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Russell Rayburn<rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>> >> OK, I've heard a lot of things about Blackwater / XE .... technically
>> >> incompetent was never one of them.
>> >
>> > Russell, what sources do you have for that? A Google News search or
> [snip, snip]
>
> {headdesk} What the hell, guys? I offer up Templars organizing swingers'
parties for DG-ization, and the list manages to turn it into pure War Nerd
wannabeism??? Bah!
>
> Kim

What, you're pissed there's not more tentacle porn?


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And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
it.
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#24612 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
rusrayburn@...
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Giles Hill<Giles_Hill@...> wrote:
>
> @Gil
>
> I'm with you in regards Blackwater the company being unproffessional, but
certainly in the early stages a considerable proportion of Black Water employees
were technically very compotent.
>
> The Blackwater operators who died in Fallujah on March 31, 2004 included a
former SEAL and an Army Ranger (the others may also have been Army Rangers I'm
not sure)
>
> I believe lack of professionalism on behalf of Blackwater can be put down to
those in charge, because at worst they encouraged the behaviour among those they
employed, at best they failed to discourage it.
>
> This is not to say that individuals weren't unprofessional, just in most cases
they certainly didn't lack for technical competence as well.
>
> From the DG point of view the idea management might have an agenda other than
making money and subsequently influencing the way the stiffs of the ground
operate because of it, seems a standard trope for this sort of scenario and well
worth investigating.
>
> Giles

That's what I was getting at Giles.  Thanks.

For DG use, this also looks like a group with technical skill who
unprofessionally just don't care who they kill.  Which sounds a bit
like some DG cells, come to think of it.

As to the more salacious accusations like wife swapping... how would
one work those in?  Via surveillance, as in the players discover the
corporate officers are sneaking off to seedy motels with each others
wives?

--
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate.
And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
it.
   - Jack Handey

#24613 From: jpetheri@...
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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>
> obDG: I dunno, thought I gave a decent one last time. Russell, could
> provide some DG relevance here, or maybe we ought to drop this aspect
> of the thread.
>

Blackwater/Xe is to Amway/Quixtar/Alticor as Templars, Inc. is to <insert
front company>/WEE


ObDG: Fun ensues when a cell discovers that their nice, deniable Private
Military Contractor is Mythos-tainted

#24614 From: Gil Trevizo <gtrevizo@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
furrylogic2
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Giles Hill<Giles_Hill@...> wrote:
>
> The Blackwater operators who died in Fallujah on March 31, 2004 included a
> former SEAL and an Army Ranger (the others may also have been Army Rangers
> I'm not sure)

Scott Helvenston was the SEAL. I remember watching a reality TV show
with spec-ops competing against each other where he was a contestant.
He was so unstable that other SEALs on the program called him a
disgrace to the unit.

Now maybe he was just playing for the cameras and was actually a quiet
professional. Whatever. There are so many incidents of Blackwater
employees gunning down civilians, being psychologically unstable (even
by the company standards, though conveniently ignored at Prince's
direction), conducting illegal activites, etc. etc., that their
"professionalism" cannot be ignored and put down to those in charge,
no matter how much we might want former spec-ops personnel to live up
to the action-movie ideal.

Be that as it may, considering how much evil crap Blackwater has done,
I'm surprised that what got the attention here was some gunfondling
issue about media misinformation on explosive bullets. Smuggling,
murder, assassination of witnesses, and yes, wife-swapping, are all
much more interesting fodder for DG than whether or not they were too
cool to use which gear.
--

Gil Trevizo
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#24615 From: Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Gil Trevizo<gtrevizo@...> wrote:
>
> Be that as it may, considering how much evil crap Blackwater has done,
> I'm surprised that what got the attention here was some gunfondling
> issue about media misinformation on explosive bullets. Smuggling,
> murder, assassination of witnesses, and yes, wife-swapping, are all
> much more interesting fodder for DG than whether or not they were too
> cool to use which gear.
> --

Umm... we talked about the smuggling.  We covered the technical skill
vs. professionalism.
I even asked how one would use wife swapping in DG.

So, if that's the kind of thing you want to cover, go for it.

How would you use wife swapping in DG?

Bonus: No tentacles.

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And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect
it.
   - Jack Handey

#24616 From: Robert Lint <ktulu_rises@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 7:20 pm
Subject: Wife-Swapping and Templars, Inc.
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It's fairly well documented (although I'm not going to search for that
documentation at work) that conservative Americans tend to swing and wife-swap
more than liberal Americans (who apparently just orgy or cheat.)

The reasons to encourage people in cults to break with more socially acceptable
sex role has also been exceedingly well documented, from Jim Jones to the Mau
Mau and lots of folks in between - this brings you group together via a shared
shameful secret.

A Blackwater-like organization (maybe with overshadows of the Family, mentioned
earlier this week) that professed extreme Xtian values but effectively mandated
wife-swapping at the middle manager level could kill many many birds with one
stone:

1) Blackmail material - carefully controlled leakage would cause the target to
lose standing in their religious community
2) Determine who isn't "dedicated enough to the cause"
3) Attract those who already leaned this way
4) One moral compromise leads to further moral compromises
5) Maybe a reward system for the upper echelon - a kind of droit de seigneur
where leader and their wives get to pick the couples they want to groom for this
"privilege"

Personally, I would use them a despicable allies for DG.  An organization that
fights the good fight for the wrong reasons, and barely even needs bad jacketing
to be turned out if a patsy is needed.

-Rob_

  -----
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that we are eaten at every step of the way as well?




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How would you use wife swapping in DG?

Bonus: No tentacles.

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#24617 From: Kenneth Scroggins <mib.zero@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: Templars, Inc.
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On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Ross Payton<rpayton@...> wrote:
>
>
> More info here http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill
>
> They brought in illegal weapons like grenade launchers and "Specifically, he
> alleges that Prince "obtained illegal ammunition from an American company
> called LeMas. This company sold ammunition designed to explode after
> penetrating within the human body. Mr. Prince's employees repeatedly used
> this illegal ammunition in Iraq to inflict maximum damage on Iraqis."

First of all, the RBCD "blended metal" bullets distributed by La Mas
Ltd. are no more illegal to own, buy or transport than any other type
of ammunition. Second, it probably *is* illegal for a company to make
all kinds of ridiculous and fraudulent marketing claims about the
miraculous performance of magical metallurgical exploding bullets.
You'll notice the Nation cleverly put quotes around the words
"illegal" and "unlawful" in their article. Subtle, but it's still just
bullshit piled on top of even more bullshit.

What's particularly telling about these accusations of murder is that
they aren't part of any open criminal investigation but are merely
anonymous affidavits presented as part of a civil suit. Not exactly
credible testimony by any stretch of the imagination. However, scumbag
mercenaries running guns and killing people is hardly news, but they
probably don't conceal their grenade launchers in dog food since
Blackwater/Xe runs its own private airline. I'm guessing they pack
them in gun cases with the explosive materials in plainly marked
wooden crates. Whether or not they have all their licenses and
paperwork and safety stuff in order; that's another story.

Whether or not grenade launchers are even "illegal" or "unlawful" is
also in question. It's said that grenade launchers are specifically
prohibited under a contract between Blackwater and the State Dept, but
I have not perused this contract. In any case, if I was a PMC in Iraq,
having a Grenade Launcher for anti-vehicular use would not be amiss.
The more I look into this, the more dubiousness arises to damage
Scahill's credibility.

As for the competence issue, I'd say that Blackwater is a very large
company with all kinds of duties, contracts and sub-contracts. Cost
cutting and unprofessionalism might be reported at all levels, but
ultimately they keep their contracts because Blackwater has yet to
lose a single principal under their guard in Iraq. Whatever they may
or may not be doing, it's certainly working for the State Department.

Now I get to the good part; allegations of genocidal policy and occult
leanings.


*******


THREAT FOCUS: Blackwater/Xe, the new Knights Templar

The Knights Templar in Call of Cthulhu have long been associated with
Shub-Niggurath through an avatar of Nyarlathotep known as Baphomet. It
would not be difficult to construct a hidden shrine somewhere in their
main training facility located within the Great Dismal Swamp near
Moyock, NC. The "one-stop-shopping" facility was originally conceived
by Al Clark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Clark_%28Blackwater%29)
to put everything needed to train Navy SEALS in one place on the East
Coast. Prior to it's construction, SEAL units would have to travel to
widely dispersed firing ranges owned by the US Army or Marine Corps.

A look at Blackwater from above:

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http://www.wendywestie.com/chb-blackwater-lg.jpg

According to my analysis, I believe that Blackwater has been gradually
corrupted and turned towards the worship of Baphomet and
Shub-Niggurath by the Cult of Transcendence. Following this initial
period of corruption towards the worship of hostile preternatual
entities, these modern mercenary Knights Templar have been secretly
contracted by the Black Brotherhood to serve as muscle for Black
Brotherhood assassination operations.

You may remember that the Black Brotherhood is a splinter group of the
Western Cthulhu Cult that broke away from the Arch-Heirophant circa
1900. The Brotherhood pursues an agenda of astrologically guided
assassination and terrorism wherein they attempt to slay prominent
world leaders offering sane and balanced policies. The Black
Brotherhood hopes that they will be able to push human society over
the brink into madness and anarchy, thus preparing humanity for the
coming of the almighty Cthulhu.

The most likely candidate for the Cult of Transcendance agent
operating within both the newly minted Knights Templar of
Blackwater/Xe and the Black Brotherhood is a person with the rather
ironic name of Cofer Black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cofer_Black).
Elements within the liberal media and conspiracy theorists have
painted him as something of a "James Bond villain".

I estimate no more than 10 to 20 fully initiated members of the
Knights Templar exist within Blackwater, with perhaps a few dozen more
whose religious sensibilities are gradually being driven towards
madness and death. Currently their actions are limited to the casual
killing of civilians in Iraq. These brutal acts are a fully
intentional part of the Black Brotherhood's agenda of terrorism
intended to bring about the end of all civil order within Iraq.

Initial investigation into this threat should seek to contact
whistleblowers within the organization who have witnessed
preternatural phenomena. Surveillance and identification of potential
corrupted or compromised individuals is also required. These actions
will have to be taken both within the United States (by Law
Enforcement assets) and in Iraq (by Intelligence Community or Military
assets). Once a reasonably complete list of targets is obtained, two
strategems should be implemented.

First, clandestine assassinations of important Templar individuals
should take place. Suspicions should be cast upon the Black
Brotherhood as the likely culprits behind this program of killings.
Additional actions should be taken so as to fuel an escalating
conflict between the two formerly allied rival organizations. Once the
conflict is underway, surveillance and identification of Black
Brotherhood members should take priority.

Second, an overt federal criminal investigation into the activities of
Blackwater will begin. Evidence should be fabricated (perhaps a link
to Afghan Heroin smuggling), allowing for the creation of a
Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force unifying all investigations under the
RICO provisions. Arrests of non-spellcasting persons should be the
focus of this task force. TASK FORCE WHITEWASH will also serve as a
reserve raid force should it become necessary to storm the Blackwater
compound.

TASK FORCE WHITEWASH faces a particularly difficult issue should it
pursue arrests and investigations in Iraq. Liason with local
authorities will be required. With the withdrawal of US and Allied
Forces from the country, support firepower will become more and more
difficult to obtain. It is vital that our Military and Intelligence
assets in-country keep a very low profile until such time as support
firepower is required. Cover identities for these sudden new faces in
the task force will be necessary.

OVERALL GOALS:

I. Prevent the consecration of an altar to Shub-Niggurath within the
Great Dismal Swamp, or destroy any pre-existing altar.

II. Seizure and destruction/containment of the Baphomet entity/artifact.

III. Identification of Black Brotherhood members and organizational structure.

IV. Ending all activities of the nascent Knight Templar cult.

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