Its 2007....


....Do you know where your Xians are?

- J.T. Engstrom
"Fiat justitia, ruat coelum"
"Quocunque jeceris stabit"
"Vulnero obviam"
"People don't behave the way they should; They behave the way they do."
-Jim Beaubien & Karen Caesar
hoplophobia - n. - an irrational and morbid fear of guns, a term coined
by Jeff Cooper, from Greek "hoplites," weapon.

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(that's an ad-hoc rule 7 I just invented for these purposes).

   o Whereabouts Unknown’ by Bret Kramer [Post #15176]
   o ‘Echoes’ by Ross Payton [Post #15198]
   o ‘Hazardous Materials’ by the Man in Black [Post #15217]
   o ‘Many Happy Returns’ by Simon RJB [Post #15223]
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2. 'Echoes' by Ross Payton [Post #15198]
3. 'Hazardous Materials' by the Man in Black [Post #15217]
4. 'Many Happy Returns' by Simon RJB [Post #15223]
5. 'Grey Goose' by Michael Daumen [Post #15224]
6. 'Winter Comes Early' by Evil Brennan [Post #15281]
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On 1/1/07, Jacob Engstrom <jtengstrom@...> wrote:
> Its 2007....
>
>
> ....Do you know where your Xians are?
>

Disapointed the world didn't burn in the flames of holy genocide.
Same as every day.

--
Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
sewer and die.
- Mel Brooks

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Clunie" <jim.clunie@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [dglist] Re: Other Nations


> On 12/31/06, Yhna Uthyg <yuggya@...> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Aside from that, the Yuggya definitely are a nation - a vastly old and
>> vastly huge nation, extremely technological and extremely
>> non-interventionist as a Collective.  Nobody can beat them, and obviously
>> intergalactic war is just not an option.  They are wise with that.   T.
>> Marsh invented that species, originally as a non-mythos race, a very long
>> time ago, 1960s.  It's a no-brainer that I love that species :)
>
> Lin Carter first described the Yuggya in "Out of the Ages", published
> 1975 and reprinted in "The Xothic Legend Cycle". It is possible that
> your cousin also came up with the name independently.

Lin Carter (there is information about this online), used the word Yug for
another kind of creature.  He also used Zanthu.  My cousin wrote an outline
for a space story, non mythos, featuring the Yuggya and some other race that
sounds like Beelezebub - and the hero of the story is Tulay Zandu, which she
got from a song.   I have heard the song, the title of the song if Tulay
Zandu; it's by Exuma.  She showed this to Carter, he liked it, suggested she
write a story, she could not write such a story and told him something like
that.  There rest can be called "Carter tipping his hat to someone" or it
can be called something else.  Carter did something similar to Richard
Tierney.  My cousin knew Lin Carter before he got sick, back in the 60s and
very early 70s.  He changed a lot after he got sick.

As I think I mentioned, the original is definitely not related to any
mythos, it's based on pure good/evil angels and demons, but aliens, other
galaxies - but the second draft of the outline has mythos elements in it.
My cousin says she can not write a story like that, it's something perhaps
the writer of Star Wars could write and she has a hard time making mythos
out of it because the story would call for clear lines of good and evil.  I
agree with her, her husband and many others  that say that the key thing
about the mythos is that there is no good/evil, no dualism.  Derleth made it
dualistic, that is well known.

The Yuggya are definitely not Yuggs.  As T. puts it, thankfully Carter
didn't venture to say much about those Yuggs - but he seriously did dumb
down the entire Zandu/Zanthu thing and he, being sick at the time, stuck in
that dumb Elder Gods crap - made it all into something really stupid.  There
is an entire synopsis of "Carter's Xothic Cycle" on my website with
commentary from her; you can read it if you like (some of her stuff is up
there - the rest is mine and my brothers - and that falls into two
categories: semi mystical with a smile, and hilariously funny.   Yuggs show
up for some of ON, in chapter 5 (one of the most horrific stories within
stories, imo, god awful stuff happens, makes me shudder to think about it,
pure yich) and in chapter 6 Yugs along with the Yithians, not acting
together but doing their own things, create havoc, especially for one poor
Christian monk named Corsi.  I can definitely say that they are taken back
from Carter - none of him is in there.

The story I heard about Richard Tierney is that Carter took amost a whole
story he wrote, claimed it was his own and got some prize for it.  That's
not tipping the hat.  A lot of people hated Carter.
>
> Cheers
> Jim C
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Rayburn" <rusrayburn@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dglist] Re: Other Nations


> On 12/30/06, Yhna Uthyg <yuggya@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Deep Ones have cities, artifacts and language. They have an
>> > impulse that looks to us like religion, though it's probably no such
>> > thing.
>>
>> I'd have to disagree strongly on that.  Some of them are very religious,
>> others are just not.
>
> Wow.  You really don't get it, do you?

You don't get it.  People, when reading thousands of stories, are going to
form their own opinions of what some race has or doesn't have.  OK?  I say
that some of them believe Cthulhu is God and that Cthulhu is going to come
back and make things right.  Others think that's as nuts as expecting Jesus
to come back and loose on the world 4 dreadful horsemen that destroy
everyone and everything.  Now that analogy was in the mind of HPL when he
wrote the Call of Cthulhu.  VIOLA!!  He was making a mockery of the
Armegeddon thing.  Scholars know this.  Others know that Cthulhu is just an
alien, something to be feared, for sure - hell, they know it's an alien,
they were around when it landed on planet earth and fought in wars.
>
> The Deep Ones DO NOT have religion as we know it.

I disagree.  Of course, MY people don't have religion as theologians know it
either.  We are categorized as not having a God or anything like a religion.
Of course, WE tend to disagree with what theologians say.  I understand
their points, though.  But a centralized Deity we do not have.  Salvation we
do not have.  Heaven and Hell we do not have.  Praying to this God we do not
do.  In other words, it's absolutely nothing like a "God" anyone would
recognize.  That doesn't matter.  There is absolutely no such thing as
"having faith" in my religion.
>
> They may worship Cthulhu and/ or Dagon, but that is not religion as
> humans understand it.

That goes for my people too, though we do not worship anything.  It seems
more to me that they FEAR Cthulhu - perhaps Dagon fears it too, or perhaps
Dagon is no different from an overlord that "puts the fear of the boogeyman"
into his people, in order to get obediance.   Chauncey Marsh is definitely
not obedient - or respectful!  My only regret is that there wasn't more
about what he gets into and does.  That shit would definitely get DG ops
interested :)  But, it was mentioned in passing :(
>
> Human religion relies on faith; humans can not see or touch their God.

The religion of my people does not rely on faith.  I can see my God in every
single thing that exists.  I wonder why others can't see it.  Perhaps
because they can't, they invent their own gods and pray to inanimate objects
and such things that I find really weird.
>
> Mythos worship requires no such faith; for Mythos creatures ( and I
> include insane humans in this group ) their God is an indisputable
> fact.  Hell, they can summon their God.

That is because it's not a God, it's either an alien being or simply their
leader.
>
> This makes them, oh, I dunno... ALIEN, maybe?
>
> Your anthropomorphizing of Mythos entities does a disservice to both
> humans and the Mythos.

My anthropmorphizing?  I don't regard the races of the mythos as entities.
Cthulhu is an entity.  The TchoTcho are not entities.   They are people.  I
didn't anthropomorphize the TchoTcho.  The DG writers did.  Let me ask you a
question:  did you ever MEET someone in the Yakuza?  I have.  Did you ever
meet or know a Lama or Shaman possessed by the war spirit - and feel what it
feels like to be in his presense, or see what he can DO when he's like that?
I have, got one in my own family.  Think:  no-longer-human.  It really feels
like that.
>
> Thanks for posting though.  I'd never heard of your cousin, but now
> that I have there's no way in hell I'm ever reading their crap.

I'm not here representing their stuff - most people like their stories,
there are others out there, some on the web, some published.  I'm wondering
why you didn't like Radian Dawn and Ravenous Dusk at this point.  I already
know why you didn't like ON - but you know, if you didn't read it, you can
never know.  The same for Goodfellow's two books, which I also raved in
here.
>
>
> --
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> sewer and die.
> - Mel Brooks
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Farnell" <azzageddi@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [dglist] News on new edition DG


> You know, this sounds terrible...but it's gotten to the point where I
> just throw up my hands and ask, "So what's the next excuse going to
> be?"
>
> Dave
> is not in holiday cheer.

Cheer up, at least you don't have to be here with a disabled cousin whose
husband is sick, (I don't get paid for this, btw), listening to Viennese
Waltzes, one after the other - with thoroughly shitty weather outside when
it should be nice and sunny - and I should be at the beach playing with
Octopi in the ocean.....  I had a good time last night:  PARTY!!  DANCING!!
FOOD!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "christian" <ck@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: RE: [dglist] Re: Other Nations


"After all, they were not evil things of their kind. They were the men of
another age and another order of being. Nature had played a hellish jest on
them - as it will on any others that human madness, callousness, or cruelty
may hereafter dig up in that hideously dead or sleeping polar waste - and
this was their tragic homecoming. . Scientists to the last - what had they
done that we would not have done in their place?

God, what intelligence and persistence! What a facing of the incredible,
just as those carven kinsmen and forbears had faced things only a little
less incredible! Radiates, vegetables, monstrosities, star spawn - whatever
they had been, they were men! "

You see, this is what pisses me off. Bloody Howard-come-lately authors
adding in their own ridiculous concepts of what should clearly be beyond
human conception.

YU: ?  Lovecraft wrote those lines.

I mean, come on, actually being reduced to saying that the aliens of the
tale were just like us.

"They were men" indeed.

No, they were impenetrable cone shaped thingies beyond us in every way.
Every way. How much more anthropomorphic can you get than this drivel?

YU: He wrote that about the crinoids, not the Yithians.

These tentacle lovers would like for nothing more than for us to give the
Mythos a great big hug, and if we're to stave off the End Times, these
authors should be the first put up against the wall.

For those who want to keep their perfect, unknowable vision of the Mythos,
steer well clear of being corrupted by some fluffy, touchy, feely crap. The
one quoted above was called "At the Mountains of" ..

Oh poo

Well, I'm sure that was just a slip. It's not as if HPL had his entities
driving buses, or propping up a disintegrating façade in some seaside
village is it? Ha, certainly not. Why, you might as well have even the
biggest Outer god having to mate with humans, so they can come back and take
over the earth, or sending dreams to make us more like them.

Next, they'll be interacting with humans to help with mining and exploration
or throwing themselves around big rocks. Only a fool would call that an act
of worship. I'm sure it's really, really alien, in some really unguessable
way. I'm an idiot for thinking it's just some aquatic nightmare snogging
it's favourite Mythos poster/pillar boy.

It'll all end in tears of course. Some clown will have human and GOO values
become interchangeable, say round about the end times. Then it will all be
"mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones." It doesn't get more
anthropomorphic than actually being the other race, now does it?

Thankfully, only a really rubbish author would come up with a plot like
that.

YU: LMAO.

Oh, double poo.

Nope, no breeding or societal imperatives anywhere else in HPL's works, nor
putting humans in the middle of things. Um.

"The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the
Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals
thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy."

- From the Times review of Hogmanay in Glasgow.

Happy New Year everyone,
Christian

YU: Happy New Year to you all too - and I'm really sorry if I mucked things
up for Goodfellow and the Marshes :( - I didn't intend it to get that way.
Perhaps it's a culture clash - I suspect that is so.





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At 05:08 AM 1/1/2007, you wrote:
>Its 2007....
>
>
>....Do you know where your Xians are?
>
>- J.T. Engstrom

Do you know where your Juice and your Slamix are?

---- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Dugger" <jay.dugger@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: [dglist] META: Cooling-Off Period Request for "Other Nations"


> Sunday, 31 December 2006
>
> The "Other Nations" thread has a low signal-to-noise ratio. Please,
> voluntarily refrain from posting new messages to that thread for at
> least twenty-four hours. Think of it as a cooling-off period.
>
> DISCLAIMER: I do not serve as moderator, owner or sniper for this list.
>
> (If you don't know what a list-sniper does, ask me off-list.)

Very good idea.  I'm only here for a short while today and then gone again
anyway.

I posted an idea for an op involving Migo and neocons.  No takers?
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Wait, are they reading Other Nations while complaining about discrimination
and praying for Cthulhu to bring the rapture about?

On 1/1/07, Nocstar <shepherd93@...> wrote:
>
> At 05:08 AM 1/1/2007, you wrote:
> >Its 2007....
> >
> >
> >....Do you know where your Xians are?
> >
> >- J.T. Engstrom
>
> Do you know where your Juice and your Slamix are?
>
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While attending White Power meetings:

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Christian_Identity.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN\
_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=Christian_ID

Putting the "Christian" in the "Christian Identity" movement.

I'm not sure about 'Other Nations'... I mean, that would imply some
reads it no?  ;)

On 1/1/07, Ross Payton <rpayton@...> wrote:
> Wait, are they reading Other Nations while complaining about discrimination
> and praying for Cthulhu to bring the rapture about?
>
> On 1/1/07, Nocstar <shepherd93@...> wrote:
> >
> > At 05:08 AM 1/1/2007, you wrote:
> > >Its 2007....
> > >
> > >
> > >....Do you know where your Xians are?
> > >
> > >- J.T. Engstrom
> >
> > Do you know where your Juice and your Slamix are?
> >
> >
> >
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--
Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
sewer and die.
- Mel Brooks

Surely by now, you realize that every idea that has ever existed has
originated from Other Nations. PRAISE IT!

On 1/1/07, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>
> While attending White Power meetings:
>
>
>
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Christian_Identity.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN\
_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=Christian_ID
>
> Putting the "Christian" in the "Christian Identity" movement.
>
> I'm not sure about 'Other Nations'... I mean, that would imply some
> reads it no?  ;)
>
> On 1/1/07, Ross Payton <rpayton@...> wrote:
> > Wait, are they reading Other Nations while complaining about
> discrimination
> > and praying for Cthulhu to bring the rapture about?
> >
> > On 1/1/07, Nocstar <shepherd93@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > At 05:08 AM 1/1/2007, you wrote:
> > > >Its 2007....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >....Do you know where your Xians are?
> > > >
> > > >- J.T. Engstrom
> > >
> > > Do you know where your Juice and your Slamix are?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Delta Green Mailing List:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dglist
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> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> --
> Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
> sewer and die.
> - Mel Brooks
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On 1/1/07, Ross Payton <rpayton@...> wrote:
> Surely by now, you realize that every idea that has ever existed has
> originated from Other Nations. PRAISE IT!
>

OOOhh... so that's what makes it Lovecraftian!

It's full of all the answers to every question, and only nutjobs have
read it!  It's the new Necronomicon!

--
Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
sewer and die.
- Mel Brooks

Wow, that actually gives it a obdg connection. Yuggyayadaseyufdsh is trying
to wake us up to the truth! His cousin is the reincarnation of Al
Alhazred!!!@!@!

Does this make us a target of the Identity Xthuluhian Rapture nutjobs or
allies?

On 1/1/07, Russell Rayburn <rusrayburn@...> wrote:
>
> On 1/1/07, Ross Payton <rpayton@...> wrote:
> > Surely by now, you realize that every idea that has ever existed has
> > originated from Other Nations. PRAISE IT!
> >
>
> OOOhh... so that's what makes it Lovecraftian!
>
> It's full of all the answers to every question, and only nutjobs have
> read it!  It's the new Necronomicon!
>
> --
> Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
> sewer and die.
> - Mel Brooks
>
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On 12/31/06, Yhna Uthyg <yuggya@...> wrote:
>
> But, wait.  Which nation is most like what Castro described?  Free and
> wild, even crazy wild?
> Um, the USA is :)  See how subtle things can get?


How is this in any way "subtle"? This was discussed thoroughly onlist nearly
ten years ago, if my memory doesn't fail me - and has been brought up in
literature and games numerous times. It's not new, not groundbreaking, and
most of all not even a tiny bit subtle.

To me, it appears evident that the whole point of the Mythos has whooshed
right past both the author and his list shill. Of course, it can still be
quite worthwhile literature, but with all the talk about nations, religion
and anthropomorphisized aliens, it seems more like an Ann Rice take, as
someone mentioned.

Either way, I find a lot of useful DG material in the surrounding
discussions - which isn't unusual, and when I think about it is quite eerie.

Jesper


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On 1/1/07, Ross Payton <rpayton@...> wrote:
> Wow, that actually gives it a obdg connection. Yuggyayadaseyufdsh is trying
> to wake us up to the truth! His cousin is the reincarnation of Al
> Alhazred!!!@!@!
>
> Does this make us a target of the Identity Xthuluhian Rapture nutjobs or
> allies?

Since we have not accepted the Elder Gods as our personal saviors,
we're targets.

Of course, if you have accepted the Elder Gods as a personal savior,
then you'll be eaten first.


--
Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open
sewer and die.
- Mel Brooks

http://www.geostationarybananaovertexas.com/en.html

   Ideas

    the Mi-Go using it for spreading something from high attitude
    A place to summon things high up
   How would DG agents get up there to foil such things


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Last couple of episodes of 'Torchwood' went out tonight.

If you overseas Whovians are waiting to buy the DVDs or download it off
Bit-Torrent, don't bother - it's a pile of steaming shite on a par with
'Spooks', and that's saying something.

A couple of nice plot touches and a Range Rover that only looks good in the
dark (in the daylight it looks like a Range Rover with a badly applied body
kit) do not make good TV.

Russell T Davies should go back to making explicit gay soap opera, that's
what he's good at.

--
Adam Crossingham
Editor - The Black Seal & Worlds of Cthulhu
"Some of the best Call of Cthulhu gaming magazines around..."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesper Anderson" <jesper@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [dglist] Re: Other Nations


> On 12/31/06, Yhna Uthyg <yuggya@...> wrote:
>>
>> But, wait.  Which nation is most like what Castro described?  Free and
>> wild, even crazy wild?
>> Um, the USA is :)  See how subtle things can get?
>
>
> How is this in any way "subtle"? This was discussed thoroughly onlist
> nearly
> ten years ago, if my memory doesn't fail me - and has been brought up in
> literature and games numerous times. It's not new, not groundbreaking, and
> most of all not even a tiny bit subtle.
>
> To me, it appears evident that the whole point of the Mythos has whooshed
> right past both the author and his list shill. Of course, it can still be
> quite worthwhile literature, but with all the talk about nations, religion
> and anthropomorphisized aliens, it seems more like an Ann Rice take, as
> someone mentioned.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Nothing I've said about Castro
or the USA or any of that in conversation has anything to do with ANY novels
I happened to bring up on here - I did bring up 4 novels.  It has absolutely
nothing to do with any of it.  I'm supposed to know what people talked about
on here 10 years ago?  I only just heard of Delta Green a short while,
thanks to the Marshes - and they heard of it not that much longer ago than
I.
>
> Either way, I find a lot of useful DG material in the surrounding
> discussions - which isn't unusual, and when I think about it is quite
> eerie.

I'll probably be gone till next week (I'm sure you will shed a tear....).
But I did make a suggestion counter to the "Xians" idea - the neocon idea.
And judging by their sheer arrogance and hubris, the way they seem to see
other people as cattle pawns, they'd have to be controlled by Nyarlathotep.

Otherwise, the sheer nastiness in here is quite amazing - but perhaps it's
not.  I guess you like ganging up and being nasty, even resorting to the
making fun of names, sheesh.  Go for it.  I can't even see why, since I
flamed no one, was not mean to anyone.  Whatever.

Have a Happy New Year.

Yahana U. (middle initial) - No Way I'll tell you my last name.

Oh, anyone have the words to the A Very Scary carol thing?  I gave it as a
gift - and I didn't have words with it.  If so, please email them to me,
subject "words to songs."  Thanks much.
>
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>
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Monday, 6 November 2006


Download it here,

http://odeo.com/show/4994303/4/download/Episode5--AngelChapter4.mp3

Subscribe to it here, http://odeo.com/channel/116778/rss.xml

Three mentions. It runs 33:30 in length, and yes, I know the levels
vary. I recorded it with Audacity's new beta version. Yes, I know it's
been fifty-five days since the last post. I have a resolution
regarding this, but you'll have to listen to the episode to learn what.

Hope y'all enjoy it!

Gunfondling alert!

That out of the way, NAVSEA has conducted a study of small arms
penetration against common building materials.

Of course, someone posted the video to youtube:

Concealment does NOT equal Cover, Pt. 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dKhMOfaYwvE

Concealment does NOT equal Cover Pt. 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w22M1DAQ59I

Might come in handy if your Agents are shooting at clutists inside a structure.

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sewer and die.
- Mel Brooks

--- Yhna Uthyg <yuggya@...> wrote:

> 1d. Urban Gothic
>    Posted by: "Simon RJB" psi.breaker@...
psi.breaker
>    Date: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:22 am ((PST))
>
> I don't know if any of you are familiar with this UK
> TV series from about five or six year's back, but
I've
> recently been re-watching it (I found Series 1 and 2
> going cheap).
>
> It's a low-budget series of one-off horror stories,
> mostly filmed in the B-movie style, with the basic
> unifying theme that London is alive and hungry.
> There's some good horror in there, some bad horror,
> and a lot of gore. Not too many happy endings,
except
> for the more light-hearted ones. One tale in
> particular, 'Eater', puts me in mind of Y'golonac,
and
> was going to be a partial inspiration for my shotgun
> scenario - but I figured it might be best to refer
> people to the original than try to nick ideas from
it.
>
> The double DVD is available on Amazon:
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Urban-Gothic-1-2-Complete/dp/B0002TTSWU
>
> Though you can save your money by checking out this
> comprehensive fan site: www.urbangothic.co.uk

>You can't see the movies from that site.  Hmm, no
torrents of any of
this
>from what I can see looking up "Urban Gothic."

Unfortunately, no, though you can read a little of the
stories.

I've found just the one five minute clip on You Tube
though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ0CBaUjFBg

I'm sure I've found other bits online before, by
searching for individual episode names, but I'm trying
to get through 400 festive emails today, so I'll not
try that just yet.



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--- christian <ck@...> wrote:

> Something I didn't know about the yellow sign from
> Wikipedia:-
>
> "Ross later stated in an interview that the image
> used is actually a
> corruption of his original drawing; apparently,
> Chaosium printed the image
> both upside-down and backwards. Flipping the image
> horizontally and
> vertically reveals Ross' original conception of the
> Yellow Sign, which
> resembles a coiled body or tentacle with two
> tentacles branching upward."

You can see where they screwed up though - the graphic
was for the scenario 'Tell Me, Have You Seen The
Yellow Sign?' and, lo and behold, printing it the
wrong way round renders it into a question mark.

I've always thought it looks better downside-up,
tottering on a tentacle rather than sitting passively
on a coil. But then, I've spent way too much time
considering exactly what the sign represents.

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And a Happy New Year for all!

That's seriously the icing on the Christmas cake,
having found my Pagan Publishing edition of Creatures
and Cultists when I went to visit my family for a
week. On review, the art's not quite as good as I
remember, but it's a lot less 'comic' than the current
version. Very disappointed I couldn't find Alone At
Halloween though.




--- Agent Donald <agent_donald@...> wrote:

> "Skirmisher Publishing LLC is excited to announce
> that it is partnering with
> Pagan Publishing to resurrect The Unspeakable Oath,
> a leading periodical
> devoted to various manifestations of Lovecraftian
> horror in games, books,
> and films.
> The Unspeakable Oath was last published in 2001, and
> the partnership will
> resurrect it in summer 2007 as an annual digest,
> containing top-notch
> articles, scenarios, and support material for
> Chaosium's Call of Cthulhu,
> Pagan's Delta Green campaign setting, Skirmisher's
> Cthulhu Live, and more.
> For more information, contact Skirmisher at
> cthulhulive@..."
>
> Agent Donald
>
> You are invited for a night at the opera
> http://www.semper-vigilus.tk
>
>
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On a similar note (as linked to the wiki page), a
Flash Mob that requires the attendants to perform
various 'random' actions, actually performing some
sort of ritual.

There's also a story in Songs of Cthulhu that suggests
Mythos-style chanting being recorded and manufactured
as Gregorian chants, which people are encouraged to
chant to at a specific time as part of a new-age
meditative regime. That raises the hairs on the back
of the neck!


--- Neil A Armstrong <geninx3m2@...> wrote:

> --- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, "Ross Payton"
> <rpayton@...> wrote:
> >
> > The standard method of acquiring Mythos knowledge
> seems to be
> reading Mythos
> > tomes or learning from first hand experience.
> However, there are
> many other
> > ways to acquire this knowledge. Why doesn't
> everyone list a
> different way?
>
> >
> I was checking out www.realitycarnival.com the other
> day when I saw a
> post about something called a "Glamourbomb":
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamourbombs
>
> "A glamourbomb is a prank or act of mischief aimed
> at challenging or
> altering perceptions -- in particular, expanding the
> target's view of
> reality, with the hope of encouraging belief in
> magic, and/or magical
> beings such as fairies, nature spirits, etc. The
> people who engage in
> glamourbombing are quite varied -- many are members
> of the Otherkin
> subculture who think of themselves as fairies in
> human form, while
> others are practitioners of various forms of magic
> or neopaganism
> (particularly of those traditions with an
> appreciation for chaos and
> the Trickster archetype, such as Discordians and
> chaos magicians), or
> simply individuals drawn to the imagery and
> mythology of faerie and
> the desire to foster a more magical world."
>
> It doesn't take too many firing neurons to see the
> DG implications of
> a "MythosBomb". A few Yellow Signs spray painted on
> a wall, maybe some
> low-level summoning spells wheat-pasted on a bus
> stop shelter.
>
> After reading that Cthulu / Jack Chick tract, I
> really wanted to print
> a bunch of them up and leave them on bus seats or
> hand them out on a
> street corner myself.
>
>


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I'm very keen to really work up material on Tcho-Tcho
(and other human) relations with the Mythos for a
while. I've been planning to get a big chunk of
writing on things which the list seems to have been
touching on over the last week or so, but you know,
Christmas, family, etc - it was never going to happen
on the tail end of 2006.

I did get one of those little niggling ideas though,
one that I thought would make a good 'backdrop' for a
RPG system, though would work just as well as a theory
to go on the Cthulhu/Delta Green brain-storming board.
The idea is a simple one, and not all together
original, but what if the human mind went insane not
simple as a reactionary defence mechanism (i.e. to
create a rationale in reaction to what has been
encountered) but instead a pre-emptive safety measure
idependent to direct exposure to the Mythos. That in
the human evolution it is necessary for them to become
paranoid of things you cannot see, to hear voices, to
be afraid of the dark, if we have any hope of survival
when the Stars Are Right. Maybe what we see as insane
now would be the most rationale behaviour possible
when the Great Old Ones walk the earth once more.

Just an idea, but one that holds more water when
applied to specific bloodlines that may well have been
preparing for the inevitable for years.



--- Jesper Anderson <jesper@...> wrote:

> One thing I found with the recent thread which
> involved a lot of discussion
> about anthropomorphization of Mythos creatures was
> that it found me
> vocalizing and making concrete some thoughts I've
> had for a long time. I
> remember some very, shall we say, vocal objections I
> had to the use of
> kitsch 60's style nazi movie aspects to the
> Karotechia, as well as the near
> everpresent explicit bigotry assigned them by adding
> gay lovers, black
> Bischoffe and the like. These were based in the same
> roots as my objections
> to adding anthropomorphic concepts such as religion
> and nations onto Mythos
> beings. What follows is highly subjective, YMMV,
> void where prohibited by
> law, and if it breaks you get to keep both parts.
>
>
> When looking at the Tcho-Tcho, as a very useful
> example, most people at
> first glance will see a typical Asian gang that
> happens to be sorcerers and
> cannibals. This is natural, since our natural
> response to most everything is
> anthropomorphic, and it is also something the
> Tcho-Tcho are not at all above
> using against us (as exemplified by the "minority
> protection" aspects
> discussed onlist). However, the only involved beings
> that could to some
> extent hold true for are (possibly, if they  even
> exist) half Tcho-Tchos and
> hired frontmen. When the agents truly get inside the
> mind of a Tcho-Tcho
> opponent, in whatever way that may occur, what they
> will find is not a human
> with some Mythos aspects, but a Mythos being with
> some human aspects.
>
> These human aspects are not a mask; a Tcho-Tcho is
> close enough to human
> that we think we can recognize some things, but it
> is, to us, a truly insane
> version. Not insane in that it is mad, has lost its
> mind, or is unmindful of
> reality. Quite the opposite. It is firmly rooted in
> reality, it just happens
> to be a reality to which our reality is a mere mask.
> The human aspects do
> not fall away as such, they are simply based on
> something so not human that
> the mind recoils in horror when realizing the basis
> for them.
>
> And therein lies the true horror of the Mythos.
> Human concepts can be used,
> and they will then proceed to utterly fail.
>
> So what about the Karotechia? Here we have another
> layer of horror, ripe to
> be plucked. The first reaction of most western
> people when encountering
> something like the Karotechia is an instant defense.
> "They must be bigots",
> "they must be kitsch", or whatever else one can do
> to reduce the horrible
> aspects of seeing a human being standing firm and
> string in their belief
> that they are the master race.
>
> But doing this destroys the best aspect of the
> Karotechia. To fight, and get
> inside the mind of, an enemy which holds a view of
> perfect nazi ideology -
> and does not fall to bigotry, but maintains perfect
> consistency and has
> arguments both from emotion, logic and rhetoric -
> must be truly horrifying.
> It is among the worst a human mind can conceive, and
> if the keeper managed
> to get the players to shift uncomfortably on their
> seats when fighting the
> Karotechia, that's success. And that won't be
> achieved through gay lovers,
> time travelling submarines and big, black Bischoffe.
> Comic relief has no
> place in the Karotechia.
>
> And then comes the doublepunch. Behind this very
> human horror, this very
> accessible, yet horrifying front, lies an aspect of
> the mythos which, once
> again, cannot be understood as in any sense human.
> And if played correctly,
> this aspect can shatter the men behind Karotechia as
> well as the agents, and
> make the players shift even more in their seats.
>
> I hope I hava managed to at least somewhat show why
> I object to
> anthropomorphization of the horrors of the Mythos,
> as well as to
> trivialization of the stance of human protagonists
> and antagonists in DG.
>
>
> Happy new year everyone! I'm off to a party!
>
> Jesper
>
>
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> removed]
>
>


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--- dglist@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created
> for the
> dglist group:
>
> What was the best entry for this year's 'Shotgun
> Scenario Contest'? Please vote and make your choice
> known!
>
> The entrants are listed below in the order they were
> posted, along with the post number so you can
> revisit them.
>
  <snip>
>
>   o Whereabouts Unknown’ by Bret Kramer [Post
> #15176]
>   o ‘Echoes’ by Ross Payton [Post #15198]
>   o ‘Hazardous Materials’ by the Man in Black [Post
> #15217]
>   o ‘Many Happy Returns’ by Simon RJB [Post #15223]
>   o ‘Grey Goose’ by Michael Daumen [Post #15224]
>   o ‘Winter Comes Early’ by Evil Brennan [Post
> #15281]
>   o ‘The Tales Dead Men Tell’ by Evil Brennan [Post
> #15440]

<snip>

Post 15223? 23? No, really?

*goes off to hide under the stairs*

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Don't forget those dynamic superhero poses on the tops
of Cardiff landmarks.

I had to watch Vicar of Dibley over Torchwood last
night (which sounds like it might've been for the
best) - I'll be watching the final two parts whenever
it gets repeated.

The series as a whole seems to be aimed at an older
teenaged market - shoe-horning swear words, sex and
slightly bloodier violence into what was otherwise
just Doctor Who (with four assistants, none of which
are really in any danger of getting killed off). But
there've been some interesting ideas tucked away
there. Weevils and Ghouls seem pretty interchangeable,
and some episodes really stand out.

I'm amazed they've got a second series on the way
though.



--- The Crossinghams at Home <the-wolery@...>
wrote:

> Last couple of episodes of 'Torchwood' went out
> tonight.
>
> If you overseas Whovians are waiting to buy the DVDs
> or download it off
> Bit-Torrent, don't bother - it's a pile of steaming
> shite on a par with
> 'Spooks', and that's saying something.
>
> A couple of nice plot touches and a Range Rover that
> only looks good in the
> dark (in the daylight it looks like a Range Rover
> with a badly applied body
> kit) do not make good TV.
>
> Russell T Davies should go back to making explicit
> gay soap opera, that's
> what he's good at.
>
> --
> Adam Crossingham
> Editor - The Black Seal & Worlds of Cthulhu
> "Some of the best Call of Cthulhu gaming magazines
> around..."
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6707250

"All Things Considered, January 1, 2007 · In November, a gray,
metallic, saucer-like object was spotted hovering above Chicago's
O'Hare International Airport. As many as 12 United Airlines employees
spotted the object and filed reports with United.

Officials at the airline say they have no knowledge of the incident,
and the Federal Aviation Administration is not investigating.

Melissa Block speaks with Chicago Tribune transportation reporter Jon
Hilkevtich, who reported on the incident."

More info:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100422.\
html

ObDG:
Are the greys targeting more inhabited areas for observation?

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