Greeting Agents,

Some work has been done of the website. We've got some new product for the
Outsider, some news on Delta Green, and some resurrected old product.

Oh, and our layout guy just informed me that he is done with the fan
corrections that were submitted. We should have the table of contents, index and
interior page number referneces sorted out in a couple of days. Then it's off to
the printer for Delta Green d20.

More changes are on the way as we have gotten our first print-on-demand book
ready to go from Lulu.com. It's a reprint of the King in Yellow play
translated from the french by Thom Rhyng. I should have that up on the site in a
couple
more days.

Be Seeing You,

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp


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I love you Scott!

:)


Cheers,
Agent Donald

BTW, if anybody is wondering what happened with my Semper Vigilus website.
It is temporarily offline as the computer it is hosted in is disconnected at
the moment.

I hope it will be back online at the end of this week.


----- Original Message -----
From: <SGlancy12@...>
To: <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: [dglist] News, Updates and new product at TCCorp.com


> Greeting Agents,
>
> Some work has been done of the website. We've got some new product for the
> Outsider, some news on Delta Green, and some resurrected old product.
>
> Oh, and our layout guy just informed me that he is done with the fan
> corrections that were submitted. We should have the table of contents,
> index and
> interior page number referneces sorted out in a couple of days. Then it's
> off to
> the printer for Delta Green d20.
>
> More changes are on the way as we have gotten our first print-on-demand
> book
> ready to go from Lulu.com. It's a reprint of the King in Yellow play
> translated from the french by Thom Rhyng. I should have that up on the
> site in a couple
> more days.
>
> Be Seeing You,
>
> A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Sweet. I haven't even bothered looking for some time, but now there
seems to be several things there that I actually don't already own.

Looks like an order is in order.

Dave

Looks like this comet is breaking up.

[url]http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0605.html[/url]

This is great supplementary information.

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Now, of course, I want more.

It would help if some genius could tell us, given the large role that
radiation plays in the scenario, how available equipment is to assess
and deal with the radiation threat posed by the scenario.  Obviously,
if the agents report their finds up their chain of command, they
won't be  issued rad suits and sent out for further investigation;
they will see the investigation yanked right out from under them.
So, presuming they want to go forward on their own, it would helpful
to have some pointers as to where and how it may be possible to pick
up the scientific and protective gear smart agents would need to
continue the investigation without becoming sterile or dead.

And they wouldn't want to put the purchases on their government
travel card either . . .

Thanks to the genius(es) out there who may be able to help . . .


--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Jon Nyx <jonnyx@...> wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 2006 2:12 PM, Dennis Detwiller <drgonzo@...> spaketh'd
unto us thusly:
>
> > Part 1 of Delta Green: Future/Perfect is up for download now,
here:
> >
> > http://www.detwillerdesign.com/page11/page11.html
>
> Thanks; been waiting for this. Now for some realworld
deconstruction for us OCD types who want to spring unexpected details
on our victims/players.
>
>
>
> M
>
> I
>
> L
>
> D
>
> S
>
> P
>
> O
>
> I
>
> L
>
> E
>
> R
>
> S
>
>
>
> The last page of the PDF places Hellbend pretty much where I
expected it to be, right at the intersections of Daylight Pass Rd.,
North Highway and CA Hwy 190; plug this into your favorite mapping
program for a closer look at the realworld location:
>
> 36.644733, -117.034950
>
> If you want it in D/M/S, it's +36° 38' 41.04", -117° 2' 5.82"
>
>
>
> Beatty Junction, a simple crossroads at the intersection of CA SR-
190/178 and Beatty Rd., has replaced Amargosa Valley, NV, on the PDF
map.
>
>
>
> Beatty, NV, at NV SR-374 and US I-95, has been removed. If any
Keepers decide to put it back, the following info may be of use:
>
> One of the two Death Valley Park visitor info centers is located in
Beatty. There is also a small airport ~3 miles outside the city; it
has a 5000' runway and a couple dozen single engine aircraft and
gliders based out of it.
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/BTY
>
> Beatty's annoying flash-based website which spawns multiple windows
is located here:
>
> http://www.beattynevada.org/
>
> More info:
>
> http://www.city-data.com/city/Beatty-Nevada.html
>
>
>
> Lucille Mayer's body looks like it would have been found within the
borders of the Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range. This could
be used as a red herring. The PDF states that her body was found 112
miles from Hellbend, but the map on the last page of the PDF (as well
as crosschecks with online maps) shows it more in the 40 to 50 mile
range.
>
> The PDF also states that the dinosaur has a hunting range of 130
miles around Hellbend; this seems a bit extreme, especially if the
Keeper wants to keep the beast mostly confined to the Death Valley
area. Limiting the range to 50 or 60 miles from Hellbend will do the
trick.
>
>
>
> General info & overviews of Death Valley National Park:
>
> http://www.death.valley.national-park.com/
> http://www.death-valley.us/
> http://www.nps.gov/deva/index.htm
> http://www.desertusa.com/dv/du_dvpmain.html
>
http://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/national_park
.html
>
> http://www.city-data.com/county/Inyo_County-CA.html
> http://www.city-data.com/zips/92328.html
>
>
>
> Other places of interest:
>
> Furnace Creek - 20 miles southeast of Hellbend, down CA SR-190, and
a bit of a model for the fictional city? 2000 census population of 31
people, much higher in the earlier parts of the 20th century due to
the Pacific Coast Borax Company.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furnace_Creek,_California
> http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=10191
>
> "At Furnace Creek is the headquarters of Death Valley National
Park, as well as two of its major tourist facilities: Furnace Creek
Inn and the Furnace Creek Ranch Resort. The golf course attached to
the Ranch is the lowest in the world, at 214 feet below sea level.
Most lodging is closed in the summer, when temperatures in the
vicinity regularly reach 130 degrees Fahrenheit (55 degrees Celsius)."
>
> Furnace Creek Inn was considered a luxury resort, frequented by the
rich and famous, in the 1920s and 1930s:
>
> http://www.desertusa.com/mag06/apr/clark.html
>
> Furnace Creek Ranch (and Inn) info:
>
> http://www.furnacecreekresort.com/
>
> Parent company:
>
> http://www.xanterra.com/
>
> More recent reviews of the resort complex are somewhat
underwhelming - see http://www.fodors.com/ and search for "furnace
creek ranch"; http://www.tripadvisor.com had nicer things to say.
>
> "A small airport (Death Valley Airport, IATA airport code DTH;
commonly called Furnace Creek Airport) is just west of the town."
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/L06
>
> The landing strip is ~3100' by 70', and 200' below sea level.
Aviation fuel is available (but probably overpriced; where else ya
gonna go?). I imagine car rentals are somewhat sparse; unprepared
agents will probably be fighting tourists for any available vehicles.
You definitely want a 4x4 for some of the rougher roads, and going
offroad is illegal in most of the park for ecological/preservation
reasons.
>
> "Furnace Creek was formerly the base of Death Valley operations for
the Pacific Coast Borax Company."
>
> Furnace Creek's USPS/UPS office:
>
> 328 Greenland Blvd
> Death Valley, CA 92328-9998
> phone/fax: (760) 786-2223
>
> business hours
>  MO-FR 10:00-02:30PM 03:00-05:30PM
>
> last daily collection
>  MO-SA 11:00AM
>
> I'd put the Death Valley office of the Inyo County Sheriff's Dept
near here.
>
>
>
> 10 miles southwest of Hellbend on SR-190 is the Stovepipe Wells
Airport:
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/L09
>
> It is described as "a rough paved strip...no fuel is available."
>
> http://www.stovepipewells.com/ - Another Xanterra property; be sure
to check out the "five billion-year-old rock formations" (which makes
these rocks 350 million years older than the solar system!).
>
>
>
> Trivia: Tatooine scenes for "Star Wars: Episode IV" were shot in
this neck of the woods, usually near roads & parking lots (no
offroading, remember; the film crew didn't want to have to carry all
of their gear miles into the desert). Vistas near Stovepipe Wells,
Desolation Canyon, Dante's View and Artist's Palette may look oddly
familiar. Agents may even encounter groups of obsessed Star Wars fans
making a pilgrimage...
>
>
>
> ~25 miles to the west of Hellbend is the weird & spooky Racetrack
Playa; large stones seem to slowly migrate across the dry lake bed,
leaving visible tracks.
>
>
>
> ~50 miles to the west of Hellbend is Saline Valley, which was one
of Charlie Manson's favorite hangouts (he believed "The Hole" - a
bottomless pit supposedly leading to an underworld paradise - was
located here); lots of other long-term off-the-grid paranoid desert
survivalist weirdos & nudists might be about. The area seems ripe for
a Y'golonac cult. The CA BLM keeps it and the nearby gravel airstrip
(known as the "Chicken Strip") off the maps, and regular visitors are
reluctant to give out directions.
>
> See the "History" section of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saline_Valley for more info.
>
>
>
> 50+ miles around Death Valley National Park we have:
>
> N  = Nevada state line (running from NW to SE)
> NE = Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range; includes the
Nevada Test Site, where many hundreds (thousands?) of nuclear weapons
tests were conducted.
>  E = Las Vegas
> SE = the Mojave National Preserve; also the former site of what was
once the loneliest phonebooth in the US and a phone phreak mecca in
the late 1990s. This would probably be more of an "Unknown Armies"
kind of place.
> S  = Fort Irwin
> SW = China Lake Naval Weapons Center
>  W = Sequoia National Park
> NW = Inyo National Forrest
>
>
>
> That's all for now, hope it inspires folks to come up with further
enhancements, plot twists and details.
>
> --jX
>

Dennis-

I'm gratified to learn that the Elder Signs I placed around your house kept the
Others at bay long enough for you to complete this magnum opus.

Yours in Darkness,
Tom

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Detwiller <drgonzo@...>
To: dglist@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Dennis Detwiller <drgonzo@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:12:28 PM
Subject: [dglist] Delta Green: Future/Perfect 1

    Part 1 of Delta Green: Future/Perfect is up for download now, here:

  http://www.detwillerdesign.com/page11/page11.html

  Future/Perfect Description:

  "Hellbend was once a vibrant town of nearly 3,500 souls, back when
  Hunt Electrodynamics ran the show. It was in the middle of nowhere,
  out past Beatty Junction near Death Valley, and no one knew why it
  was built there. In fact, no one cared. In the late 1940’s, Hellbend
  produced a third of the electronics found in fighter aircraft around
  the world. Hunt Electrodynamics ran everything from the schools, the
  town general store all the way down to the funeral parlor. The
  company provided everything; and the people liked it that way. Then
  the explosion of 1952 happened and everything changed.

  When the plant went up one August night, it took twenty-six locals
  with it, as well as the founder of Hunt Electrodynamics — the
  elusive Arthur Hunt. In the midst of the destruction, Hunt
  Electrodynamics fell under new ownership and changed. Hellbend was
  left behind, crippled. The firm changed its name (Hunt Electronics)
  and prepared for the space-race and the growing cold war, shifting
  its attentions to the east coast — specifically NASA and the
  Pentagon. Without the leadership of Hunt, who lived and worked in
  Hellbend, the town dried up like the earth in Death Valley. People
  left, schools closed, things fell apart.

  Fifty-three years later the town is nearly dead. Only eighty-two
  people call the crumbling remains of Hellbend home anymore, and those
  few don’t look to the future. They get by on what they can, selling
  gas and goods to those on the way to the Death Valley National Park
  and biding their time. In another fifteen years, Hellbend will die a
  natural death, shriveling up in the 110ľ summer heat, leaving behind
  a skeleton of ruined buildings as a monument of some better time.

  But in the last month, something else has been wearing away at the
  town, something decidedly unnatural. If the murder rate in Hellbend
  continues it’ll die a lot faster than fifteen years, and a lot more
  violently than just another victim of some dead industry.

  Someone or something is killing the residents of Hellbend,
  California. No one knows who or what it is."


  Keep in mind it's a big download at about 33 mb.

  Thanks for all the support

  Dennis Detwiller: Game Designer NEMESIS - INSYLUM - DELTA GREEN -
  GODLIKE
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Here you can see two previews of art that will be added to the Eyes Only
Collected Edition:
http://www.tccorp.com/chap_prev.html

The art is by Sam Araya and it is very Unknown Armies-esque :)

The picture on the left is clearly from the Machination of the Mi-Go
chapbook (although a Mi-Go should be much larger), but I can't place the
second picture of a naked man with an axe.


Agent Donald

Chainsaws & flamethrowers. It's not as certain as nuking the entire site
from orbit, but it's a hell of a lot more fun.

You are invited for a night at the opera
http://www.semper-vigilus.tk

Project NEMESIS
http://www.nemesis-system.com

Yummy! That's nice and creepy artwork.

-Tom


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On 1 May 2006 at 13:09, justice94510 <dglist@yahoogroups.com> spaketh'd unto us
thusly:

> This is great supplementary information.

Thank you, sir.

> M
> o
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>
> M
> i
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>
> S
> p
> o
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> s
>
>
>
> Now, of course, I want more.
>
> It would help if some genius could tell us, given the large role that
> radiation plays in the scenario, how available equipment is to assess
> and deal with the radiation threat posed by the scenario.
- snip -
> So, presuming they want to go forward on their own, it would helpful
> to have some pointers as to where and how it may be possible to pick
> up the scientific and protective gear smart agents would need to
> continue the investigation without becoming sterile or dead.
>
> And they wouldn't want to put the purchases on their government
> travel card either . . .

Given the large role that nuclear testing (and fallout) have played in
Nevada, I'd speculate that Agents may want to gear up for a quick
roadtrip to Las Vegas; be sure to crank the "Fear and Loathing"
soundtrack up to 11 the whole time & rent a cute cocktail waitress to
serve the players watery drinks until they return to California. Maybe
hand the best roleplayer a coupon for a free buffet and a ticket to a
Wayne Newton show.

OK, a quick check online didn't show me anything in Las Vegas itself, but
here are URLs for companies in TN, AZ and CA that make gear and will
presumably overnight it (plus the images make good props & you can get
tech specs):

TN - http://www.seintl.com/
AZ - http://www.geigercounters.com/
CA - http://www.dosimetry.com

I imagine calling their toll-free numbers might be useful in finding
local dealers closer to Hellbend.

Oh, some more info on the books mentioned:

Radioactivity and Geology : An Account of the Influence of Radioactive Energy on
Terrestrial History (Paperback)
by John Joly
List Price:   $23.99
# Paperback: 317 pages
# Publisher: Elibron Classics (December 24, 2005)
# Language: English
# ISBN: 1402135777
This Elibron Classics book is a facsimile reprint of a 1909 edition by Archibald
Constable & Co., Ltd., London.

(1909? I doubt this particular book would be very useful.)

Radioactivity and Its Measurement (Paperback)
by W. B. Mann, R. L. Ayres (Editor)
OOP, $9.00 used
# Paperback
# Publisher: Pergamon Pr; 2nd edition (June 1, 1980)
# Language: English
# ISBN: 0080250270

Radioactivity and its measurement: SI units (Pergamon international library of
science, technology, engineering, and social studies) (Unknown Binding)
by W. B Mann
OOP, $9.00 used
# Unknown Binding: 282 pages
# Publisher: Pergamon Press; 2nd ed., rev. and expanded edition (January 1,
1980)
# Language: English
# ISBN: 0080250289

One other item:

> > Lucille Mayer's body looks like it would have been found within the
> > borders of the Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range. This could
> > be used as a red herring. The PDF states that her body was found 112
> > miles from Hellbend, but the map on the last page of the PDF (as well
> > as crosschecks with online maps) shows it more in the 40 to 50 mile
> > range.

Here's a really evil idea:

Have Lucille's body found by the Air Force. It's SOP to clear carcasses
from the land under high-speed test corridors, especially when flying at
very low altitudes (terrain hugging); no one wants an expensive plane or
missile to slam into a 30lb buzzard while doing mach 2.

The Air Force is being very tight-lipped about the situation, and
following the investigation closely. They were reluctant to turn over the
body at first, and they may have held onto it for longer than necessary,
or not reported the discovery to civilian law enforcement for several
days.

If Agents make queries up the DG chain of command, have word get back to
them that a series of military test flights and/or equipment transfers
took place between Edwards Air Force Base and Groom Dry Lake Air Force
Base (Area 51) during the time that Lucille went missing and her body was
discovered.

MJ12 doesn't have to be involved; it could be a simple Air Force test
that went wrong. A new unmanned hypersonic stealth drone was being
followed by some higher altitude chase & observation planes. The drone
popped over the horizon at mach speeds & slammed into the swarm of
vultures circling Lucille's remains, causing a really nifty explosion as
the drone broke apart & crashed a few miles away. Lucille's body was
discovered during the drone's recovery. The drone uses some new (but
mundane) stealth technology & is very top secret.

The Air Force has no idea who Lucille is or why her mangled body was on
the test range, so they're saying nothing & hoping the investigation is
quietly wrapped up. The Air Force liaison/PR folks, if they meet with
Agents, may suggest that Lucille was a trespassing or lost desert rat who
ran afoul of coyotes. They may suggest this quite strongly, in fact.

Edwards Air Force base is ~200 miles SW of Hellbend. Fights to Groom Lake
could head north, pass over the China Lake Naval Weapons Center (or just
west of it if the Air Force & Navy aren't getting along) & then arc
east/northeast. This would take them a bit north of Hellbend and over the
site of Lucille's body on their way to Groom.

Paranoid agents will see MJ12 all over this once Area 51 is mentioned.
This might be a good way to get Saucerwatch or Phenom-X involved, if the
Area 51 connection is leaked or established in the press somehow; I'd
think that Saucerwatch in particular would be frothing at the mouth over
an Area 51 connection. Reporters & UFO nuts could dog the Agents' every
step, or be skillfully misdirected into hassling any "MiB"s (MJ12 and/or
the *real* Feds) who appear on the scene.

Note also that the dinosaur may have chowed down on tourists who won't be
noticed missing for a while (ie - never returned to their hotel for
checkout, but their car is still there, or their plane is still tied down
at the airport; never returned a rental 4x4, etc). Some of these folks,
especially the nudist/swinger/hippie/druggies camping out at the Saline
Valley hot springs for weeks on end, may not be noticed as missing for a
long time. This could periodically bring investigators (not necessarily
DG) back into the area for months after the Agents leave the scene.

Keepers could use the above to give inexperienced or struggling Agents a
heads up re: "giant lizards!", though the Keeper would probably want such
reports coming from the most unreliable sources imaginable - Saucerwatch
folks seeing Lizardians behind the Area 51 conspiracy, campers on acid,
etc.
--

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On 30 Apr 2006 at 22:27, Dennis Detwiller <dglist@yahoogroups.com> spaketh'd
unto us thusly:

> Awesome JX, thanks.

Thank you, sir; I'm glad you approve.

PS - I'll have updates to the deep-time timeline & more Serpent People notes by
the end of the week if you want 'em.

--

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|| \__ \  /  ||           jonnyx at mindspring dot com             ||
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On 1 May 2006 at 16:15, Agent Donald <dglist@yahoogroups.com> spaketh'd unto us
thusly:

> The picture on the left is clearly from the Machination of the Mi-Go
> chapbook (although a Mi-Go should be much larger),

Aw, a baby Mi-Go clutching its very first training braincylinder; isn't
it cute?

> but I can't place the
> second picture of a naked man with an axe.

That's how we took out zombies before God graced us with chainsaws. And
flamethrowers. Speaking of which...

> Chainsaws & flamethrowers. It's not as certain as nuking the entire site
> from orbit, but it's a hell of a lot more fun.

...mind if I steal that quote?
--

|| ___\ \/ / ||  comments/criticisms/death-threats may be sent to: ||
|| \__ \  /  ||           jonnyx at mindspring dot com             ||
|| __/ /  \  ||        or POBox 2441, Duluth GA 30096, USA         ||
|| \__/_/\_\ ||  "DRIVING DRUNK ON THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY!"  ||

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18981247-28097,00.html

"There's minerals there, there's gold, there's iron ore, there's coal,
there's huge fish resources (THERE'S FRICKEN SHOGGOTHS!!!) and what you
have to ask is: 'Do I turn my head and allow another country to exploit
my resource ... or do I position myself in such a way as I'm going to
exploit it myself before they get there'."

http://www.nber.org/papers/w11737

a neat summery:
...Black Market for Guns is not as Smooth as Everyone Believes
Philip J. Cook, Jens Ludwig, Sudhir Venkatech and Anthony Braga took
to the streets of Chicago to investigate whether of the underground
gun markets operated as efficiently as the legal gun market. In
Underground Gun Markets, Cook et. al discover the economic situation
of Chicago's underground gun market isn't what most would think.
Combining interviews with arrest and gun data, the authors describe a
market with considerable friction due to a combination of illegality
and illiquidity...
http://www.econ.brown.edu/econ/sthesis/AnnePapers/Anne7.html

the authors might have an agenda
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/criminaljustice/research/trafficking.htm
...or not.

From: jonnyx@...
> That's how we took out zombies before God graced us with chainsaws. And
> flamethrowers.

But there aren't any zombies in the three chapbooks.

I guess it is from a new scenario that Scott put in the collection.

> Chainsaws & flamethrowers. It's not as certain as nuking the entire site
> from orbit, but it's a hell of a lot more fun.

> ...mind if I steal that quote?

Go ahead. I also stole it from somewhere (although I can't remember where).

Agent Donald

You are invited for a night at the opera
http://www.semper-vigilus.tk

In a message dated 5/1/06 10:08:00 AM, agent_donald@... writes:


> But there aren't any zombies in the three chapbooks.
>
> I guess it is from a new scenario that Scott put in the collection.
>

Wrong on both counts. The guy with the axe is not from my scenario... it's
from one of Dennis's scenarios. And yes, there are zombies. Oh yeah... there are
some super nasty zombies. In fact, there's going to be a zombie fight. Red
hot zombie on zombie action.

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp


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"Looks like this comet is breaking up."

  Swell. Getting hit by a shotgun blast is so much more fun than a high
velocity bullet.

Mark McFadden

On May 1, 2006 1:07 PM, Agent Donald <agent_donald@...> spaketh'd unto
us thusly:

> From: jonnyx@...
>
> > That's how we took out zombies before God graced us with chainsaws. And
> > flamethrowers.
>
> But there aren't any zombies in the three chapbooks.
> I guess it is from a new scenario that Scott put in the collection.

Here's what I thought when I first saw the picture, which really doesn't have
anything in particular to do with the EO collection:

The dude looks like he is about to seriously wail on someone/thing. But instead
of seeming happy at the prospect, he looks really pissed. "Why is this?" I said
to myself. Then the answer hit me like a lemon twist wrapped around 2.718" solid
gold cube with a side order of alpha ionizing radiation: He doesn't have a
chainsaw! I'd be pissed too; gimmie a 90cc gas-powered high-speed turbomotor
attached to a 20" blade of spinning, screaming *death* over a crummy axe when
wreaking joyous and unholy vengeance on the living dead ANY DAY OF THE WEEK and
I'll be a happy camper. As would the guy in the picture. Especially if he had a
flamethrower as backup. And some boxers.

> > Chainsaws & flamethrowers. It's not as certain as nuking the entire site
> > from orbit, but it's a hell of a lot more fun.
>
> > ...mind if I steal that quote?
>
> Go ahead. I also stole it from somewhere (although I can't remember where).

Darn the lack of body language, tone of voice & other non-textual communication
cues in email; I can't tell if you're suffering from premature senility or being
sarcastic; for the confused:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/dglist/message/12819

--jX

On May 1, 2006 1:18 PM, SGlancy12@... spaketh'd unto us thusly:

> Wrong on both counts. The guy with the axe is not from my scenario... it's
> from one of Dennis's scenarios. And yes, there are zombies. Oh yeah... there
are
> some super nasty zombies. In fact, there's going to be a zombie fight. Red
> hot zombie on zombie action.

Woo hoo! The only thing better would be zombie porn. Lemme know if you want to
add some; I know a professional illustrator who has done some seriously deranged
work in this area.

--jX

Just a quick note to you all that work on TBS4 is progressing albeit slowly.
I've had a few setbacks but the tables are now clear to get TBS4 *finally*
finished and sent to the printers.

Could anyone who preordered a copy of TBS4 at Dragonmeet, back in December
2005 please get in touch with me as soon as possible at
editor@....

Keep the faith and many thanks for your continued interested in The Black
Seal.

--
Adam Crossingham
Editor - The Black Seal
http://www.theblackseal.org.

I was perusing some travel books the other day and came upon some odd
factoids concerning a prominent listmember's hometown.

  Turin stands at the vortex of two mystical triangles. The black magic
triangle consists of Turin, London, and San Francisco. The white magic
triangle consists of Turin, Prague, and Lyon.

  I don't know who gets to decide what cities get to be in any triangles, but
Turin showing up on two opposing sets just begs for some Mythos interp.

  Around the city are some 230 sculpted figures said to represent
aspects of the energy flowing out of this unique geometry. Not a few
of these are gruesome masks designed to ward off evil; there's one for
every window of the Palazzo Reale (Royal Palace).

  The Palazzo Reale is guarded (since 1846) by the benign underworld
demi-deities Castor and Pollux, represented by statues flanking the
front gate. This gate is considered to be the most magical spot in the
city, since the gateway marks the border between the white and black
magic halves of the city.
  Hmmmm, gotta look into which side has Castor and which has Pollux.

  The black heart of the city is in the Piazza Statuto - which had been
the site of the city scaffold, before the Gates of Hell, said to lie
under the piazza's central flower bed.

  On the other side of the divide, the Gates of Infinity are said to be
in the Piazza Solferino.

  The center of the white magic section of the city is in the Piazza
Castello, near the Palazzo Madama (which has some really cool
architecture BTW, and the cave under the palazzo was where the Savoys
had master alchemists doing that voodoo that they do)

  Want some more Torino weirdness? The Holy Grail is supposedly buried
under the Chiesa della Madre di Dio. Combine that with the famous
Shroud in the Duomo di San Giovanni Battiste and you've got some heavy
hitting artifacts residing in the same city with the largest Egyptian
collection in the world outside of Cairo.
  And of course there is all of the Masonic/Rosicrucian/Carbonari
history that has soaked into the stones of the place.

  IIRC, there were some unsolved prosty murders in Torino just prior to
the more famous Jack the Ripper murders. Fans of 'From Hell' (the
graphic novel) will be amused by the fact that Torino is virtually
surrounded by a protective ring formed by the Po River (representing
the Sun and masculine principles) and the Dora (representing the Moon
and feminine traits).

  Nostradamus lodged in a house on the Via Michele Lessona. When it
burned down in 1983, a stone with an inscription dated 1556 was found
in the ruins of a garden wall.
  "Nostradamuas stayed here, where there is Paradise, Hell, Purgatory.
I call myself Victory. Who honors me will have Glory, who disdains me
will know complete ruin."

  Amazing what you'll find in those Lonely Planet and Fodor guides, eh?

Mark McFadden

Jon Nyx wrote:
> Woo hoo! The only thing better would be zombie porn.

Here you go: http://www.repenetrator.com/

Not work safe as I seem to remember...

---
Adam Crossingham
Editor - Worlds of Cthulhu
THE gaming magazine for Call of Cthulhu
http://www.worldsofcthulhu.com

In a message dated 01/05/2006 19:57:22 GMT Standard Time,
the-wolery@... writes:

>Keep  the faith and many thanks for your continued interested in The  Black
>Seal.

>--
>Adam Crossingham
>Editor - The  Black Seal
>http://www.theblackseal.org.




Can I just add something here? I'd like to congratulate Adam on the fine  job
of editing he's done on Worlds of Cthulhu 3 (the congrats may be a little
late, but my FLGS only got it in stock a few weeks ago, so they are no less
genuine for being late).

Keep up the fine work, Adam!
Looking forward to TBS 4 too, though I'm not a pre-orderer...

-Tom


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You are welcome, and thank you for your follow up.

Your suggested "complication" also brings to mind another line of
exploration that is left our of Dennis' tight narrative.

Death Valley itself is a National Park and must have several National
Park Rangers with law enforcement authority, as well as search and
rescue and other useful training and skills.  The Rangers coordinate
with the Inyo County Sheriff's office and county coroner as necessary
in the real world (see, e.g. www.death-valley.us/article1472.html) and
so the Park Rangers would seem to be an obvious resource, source of
possible Friendlies, or alternative source of investigators/agents
(especially, say, if one of the FBI guys gets eaten up by a dino).

Of course, it is also just one more thing to write up, which I might
get around to in weeks or months (or years) given my own time and
budget constraints.

I am definitely looking forward to the next installment.



--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, jonnyx@... wrote:
>
> On 1 May 2006 at 13:09, justice94510 <dglist@yahoogroups.com>
spaketh'd unto us thusly:
>
> > This is great supplementary information.
>
> Thank you, sir.
>

From: Jon Nyx
>> Go ahead. I also stole it from somewhere (although I can't remember
>> where).

> Darn the lack of body language, tone of voice & other non-textual
> communication cues in email; I
> can't tell if you're suffering from premature senility or being sarcastic;
> for the confused:

It PS..... Premature Sarcasme.

But really, I forgot it was you.......


sorry

Don't hurt me.......


Talking about hurting people reminds me of somebody..... what happend to the
MiB?

Agent Donald

You are invited for a night at the opera
http://www.semper-vigilus.tk

Some additional thoughts/inspirations:

I'm going to be changing the date for Future/Perfect to 1995 for my
campaign, so we can do the crawl up to and thru Rules of Engagement
and 2001. In this nifty article, they talk quite a bit about the
trials and travails of Death Valley park rangers:

http://www.death-valley.us/article172.html

Long story short: in 1994 Pres Clinton changed the park from just a
park to a preseve, and expanded it. In 1995, as I figure it, the
rangers would be so busy adapting the park to its new status that
they're spread to thin to notice our lil visitor.

My favorite note, however, is that the ranger ride around in full
body armor and carry M-16s now. They say its to deal witht he drug
smugglers, but I'd bet the lil visitor is the REAL reason...

--- In dglist@yahoogroups.com, Jon Nyx <jonnyx@...> wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 2006 2:12 PM, Dennis Detwiller <drgonzo@...> spaketh'd
unto us thusly:
>
> > Part 1 of Delta Green: Future/Perfect is up for download now,
here:
> >
> > http://www.detwillerdesign.com/page11/page11.html
>
> Thanks; been waiting for this. Now for some realworld
deconstruction for us OCD types who want to spring unexpected
details on our victims/players.
>
>
>
> M
>
> I
>
> L
>
> D
>
> S
>
> P
>
> O
>
> I
>
> L
>
> E
>
> R
>
> S
>
>
>
> The last page of the PDF places Hellbend pretty much where I
expected it to be, right at the intersections of Daylight Pass Rd.,
North Highway and CA Hwy 190; plug this into your favorite mapping
program for a closer look at the realworld location:
>
> 36.644733, -117.034950
>
> If you want it in D/M/S, it's +36° 38' 41.04", -117° 2' 5.82"
>
>
>
> Beatty Junction, a simple crossroads at the intersection of CA SR-
190/178 and Beatty Rd., has replaced Amargosa Valley, NV, on the PDF
map.
>
>
>
> Beatty, NV, at NV SR-374 and US I-95, has been removed. If any
Keepers decide to put it back, the following info may be of use:
>
> One of the two Death Valley Park visitor info centers is located
in Beatty. There is also a small airport ~3 miles outside the city;
it has a 5000' runway and a couple dozen single engine aircraft and
gliders based out of it.
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/BTY
>
> Beatty's annoying flash-based website which spawns multiple
windows is located here:
>
> http://www.beattynevada.org/
>
> More info:
>
> http://www.city-data.com/city/Beatty-Nevada.html
>
>
>
> Lucille Mayer's body looks like it would have been found within
the borders of the Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range. This
could be used as a red herring. The PDF states that her body was
found 112 miles from Hellbend, but the map on the last page of the
PDF (as well as crosschecks with online maps) shows it more in the
40 to 50 mile range.
>
> The PDF also states that the dinosaur has a hunting range of 130
miles around Hellbend; this seems a bit extreme, especially if the
Keeper wants to keep the beast mostly confined to the Death Valley
area. Limiting the range to 50 or 60 miles from Hellbend will do the
trick.
>
>
>
> General info & overviews of Death Valley National Park:
>
> http://www.death.valley.national-park.com/
> http://www.death-valley.us/
> http://www.nps.gov/deva/index.htm
> http://www.desertusa.com/dv/du_dvpmain.html
>
http://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/national_par
k.html
>
> http://www.city-data.com/county/Inyo_County-CA.html
> http://www.city-data.com/zips/92328.html
>
>
>
> Other places of interest:
>
> Furnace Creek - 20 miles southeast of Hellbend, down CA SR-190,
and a bit of a model for the fictional city? 2000 census population
of 31 people, much higher in the earlier parts of the 20th century
due to the Pacific Coast Borax Company.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furnace_Creek,_California
> http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=10191
>
> "At Furnace Creek is the headquarters of Death Valley National
Park, as well as two of its major tourist facilities: Furnace Creek
Inn and the Furnace Creek Ranch Resort. The golf course attached to
the Ranch is the lowest in the world, at 214 feet below sea level.
Most lodging is closed in the summer, when temperatures in the
vicinity regularly reach 130 degrees Fahrenheit (55 degrees
Celsius)."
>
> Furnace Creek Inn was considered a luxury resort, frequented by
the rich and famous, in the 1920s and 1930s:
>
> http://www.desertusa.com/mag06/apr/clark.html
>
> Furnace Creek Ranch (and Inn) info:
>
> http://www.furnacecreekresort.com/
>
> Parent company:
>
> http://www.xanterra.com/
>
> More recent reviews of the resort complex are somewhat
underwhelming - see http://www.fodors.com/ and search for "furnace
creek ranch"; http://www.tripadvisor.com had nicer things to say.
>
> "A small airport (Death Valley Airport, IATA airport code DTH;
commonly called Furnace Creek Airport) is just west of the town."
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/L06
>
> The landing strip is ~3100' by 70', and 200' below sea level.
Aviation fuel is available (but probably overpriced; where else ya
gonna go?). I imagine car rentals are somewhat sparse; unprepared
agents will probably be fighting tourists for any available
vehicles. You definitely want a 4x4 for some of the rougher roads,
and going offroad is illegal in most of the park for
ecological/preservation reasons.
>
> "Furnace Creek was formerly the base of Death Valley operations
for the Pacific Coast Borax Company."
>
> Furnace Creek's USPS/UPS office:
>
> 328 Greenland Blvd
> Death Valley, CA 92328-9998
> phone/fax: (760) 786-2223
>
> business hours
>  MO-FR 10:00-02:30PM 03:00-05:30PM
>
> last daily collection
>  MO-SA 11:00AM
>
> I'd put the Death Valley office of the Inyo County Sheriff's Dept
near here.
>
>
>
> 10 miles southwest of Hellbend on SR-190 is the Stovepipe Wells
Airport:
>
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/L09
>
> It is described as "a rough paved strip...no fuel is available."
>
> http://www.stovepipewells.com/ - Another Xanterra property; be
sure to check out the "five billion-year-old rock formations" (which
makes these rocks 350 million years older than the solar system!).
>
>
>
> Trivia: Tatooine scenes for "Star Wars: Episode IV" were shot in
this neck of the woods, usually near roads & parking lots (no
offroading, remember; the film crew didn't want to have to carry all
of their gear miles into the desert). Vistas near Stovepipe Wells,
Desolation Canyon, Dante's View and Artist's Palette may look oddly
familiar. Agents may even encounter groups of obsessed Star Wars
fans making a pilgrimage...
>
>
>
> ~25 miles to the west of Hellbend is the weird & spooky Racetrack
Playa; large stones seem to slowly migrate across the dry lake bed,
leaving visible tracks.
>
>
>
> ~50 miles to the west of Hellbend is Saline Valley, which was one
of Charlie Manson's favorite hangouts (he believed "The Hole" - a
bottomless pit supposedly leading to an underworld paradise - was
located here); lots of other long-term off-the-grid paranoid desert
survivalist weirdos & nudists might be about. The area seems ripe
for a Y'golonac cult. The CA BLM keeps it and the nearby gravel
airstrip (known as the "Chicken Strip") off the maps, and regular
visitors are reluctant to give out directions.
>
> See the "History" section of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saline_Valley for more info.
>
>
>
> 50+ miles around Death Valley National Park we have:
>
> N  = Nevada state line (running from NW to SE)
> NE = Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range; includes the
Nevada Test Site, where many hundreds (thousands?) of nuclear
weapons tests were conducted.
>  E = Las Vegas
> SE = the Mojave National Preserve; also the former site of what
was once the loneliest phonebooth in the US and a phone phreak mecca
in the late 1990s. This would probably be more of an "Unknown
Armies" kind of place.
> S  = Fort Irwin
> SW = China Lake Naval Weapons Center
>  W = Sequoia National Park
> NW = Inyo National Forrest
>
>
>
> That's all for now, hope it inspires folks to come up with further
enhancements, plot twists and details.
>
> --jX
>

On May 1, 2006 5:50 PM, Agent Donald <agent_donald@...> spaketh'd unto
us thusly:

> It PS..... Premature Sarcasme.
>
> But really, I forgot it was you.......

You mean you *don't* sit by the computer with baited breath, constantly
refreshing your email client, so you can read my posts the moment I send them?
Next you'll tell me that you don't lovingly memorize every word...

> sorry
>
> Don't hurt me.......

Beatings are charged by the hour, one hour minimum + travel expenses. Make an
appointment with my secretary and don't forget to email me your safety word.

> Talking about hurting people reminds me of somebody..... what happend to the
> MiB?

[] Eddie the Ghoul ate him & was so disgusted by the flood of memories, most of
which were unimaginative sexual encounters involving domesticated farm animals,
mollusks and oddly shaped gourds (plus some admittedly inventive new ones
utilizing power tools), that he tossed himself into Mauna Loa rather than
continue to relive the experiences. Mordiggian has indefinitely banned the
consumption of Hawaiians as a result.
[] Z'zyzx the Mi-Go stole his brain & plopped it into a cylinder. There was so
much room to spare that the ever efficient Z'zyzx filled the rest of the
cylinder with trail-mix for the long flight back to Yuggoth; now he can't find
the brain amid the leftover raisins, nuts, M&Ms & dehydrated fruit, else he'd
have hooked it up to the internet by now. Frustratingly, Z'zyzx can occasionally
*hear* the damn thing rattling around in there whenever he shakes the
cylinder...
[] The MiB's fingers finally fell off after months of non-stop self-abuse while
surfing for homoerotic transvestite bukkake midget zombie pr0n involving large
caliber firearms, gerbils, duct tape, nipple clamps and butane (don't
ask)(seriously). It's rumored that he also lost a smaller appendage as well as
control over two of his orifices.
[] One too many drunken dates with desperate Deep One babes; you can only dodge
the bullet so many times before Daddy Dagon shows up with a shotgun, a spawning
bride and an insane minister...
[] Speaking of evil elder horrors, Cheney invited the MiB along on a hunting
party. Oops.
[] All of the above.

OBDGml - Six months posting to this list & the MiB has yet to insult me and/or
threaten to kill me. If the above post doesn't do it, nothing will.

--jX

Sweet!!

   Now I will not be Pissed when Amazon drops my oreder because they can't fill
my order.

   I was wondering if there was any plans to rerlease Alien Intelinace.

   John Erfurdt
   Washington,Mo

Glancy12@... wrote:
   Greeting Agents,

Some work has been done of the website. We've got some new product for the
Outsider, some news on Delta Green, and some resurrected old product.

Oh, and our layout guy just informed me that he is done with the fan
corrections that were submitted. We should have the table of contents, index and
interior page number referneces sorted out in a couple of days. Then it's off to
the printer for Delta Green d20.

More changes are on the way as we have gotten our first print-on-demand book
ready to go from Lulu.com. It's a reprint of the King in Yellow play
translated from the french by Thom Rhyng. I should have that up on the site in a
couple
more days.

Be Seeing You,

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp


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On May 1, 2006 4:19 PM, justice94510 <justice94510@...> spaketh'd unto us
thusly:

> Your suggested "complication" also brings to mind another line of
> exploration that is left our of Dennis' tight narrative.
>
> Death Valley itself is a National Park and must have several National
> Park Rangers with law enforcement authority, as well as search and
> rescue and other useful training and skills.  The Rangers coordinate
> with the Inyo County Sheriff's office and county coroner as necessary
> in the real world (see, e.g. www.death-valley.us/article1472.html) and
> so the Park Rangers would seem to be an obvious resource, source of
> possible Friendlies, or alternative source of investigators/agents
> (especially, say, if one of the FBI guys gets eaten up by a dino).

Hmmm...

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S


(EXTERIOR - Ranger TERRENCE and Ranger PHILLIP are seated in adjacent outhouses,
somewhere along a CA SR-190 rest stop; mercifully, we won't be describing
INTERIORs.)

TERRENCE: I say, PHILLIP, it's dreadfully hot today, isn't it?

PHILLIP: Why yes, TERRENCE, it most certainly is. Do you have any extra toilet
paper?

TERRENCE: Of course I - wait, did you hear that?

PHILLIP: Don't mind me, or last night's chili...

TERRENCE: No, not *that*. Something else; like a big animal of some sort,
perhaps attracted by the fetid odor, snorting and nosing around outside.

-pause-

TERRENCE: Phillip?

(SFX - snorting and weird birdsong/growling noises, mixed with
human^H^H^H^H^HCanadian screaming)

(fade to)

(EXTERIOR - Agent ORANGE and Agent OCHRE stand amid the splintered ruins of the
two outhouses. Massive amounts of gore and semi-identifiable body parts litter
the area; it looks like a scene towards the end of "Dead-Alive". The AGENTS are
wearing big black rubber boots and standing ankle-deep in one of many pools of
blood.)

ORANGE: Cripes, get the shovels. We can't let anyone find this until our
"investigation" is over. The rangers can be "missing" for a few days until we
wrap up and get out of town. Last thing we need is *more* people nosing around.

OCHRE: YOU get the shovels. I had to "take care of" the family of tourists who
discovered these latest murders. Do you have *any* idea how deeply a terrified
Cub Scout can wedge himself into rock crevices you wouldn't otherwise notice? I
finally had to give up on dragging him out and just toss a stick of dynamite in
there to shut him up.

ORANGE: Look, damnit, I'm just not feeling so hot.

(ORANGE promptly leans over and loudly vomits onto the ground; he spits out a
few teeth, sighs, straightens up, runs a hand worriedly across his sweaty scalp,
and pulls away a massive clump of hair. Sighing again, he shakes the hair from
his hand.)

OCHRE: Oh, that's just great. More potentially identifiable DNA I have to bury.

ORANGE: If you want to get mad at someone, blame Agent OLIVEDRAB for ditching us
for whatever is on the other side of that gate. I'll bet he's having the time of
his life right now in some tropical paradise.

CUT TO:

(EXTERIOR - Stereotypical primordial jungle, complete with oversized ferns and
smoking volcanoes in the background. Agent OLIVEDRAB runs towards camera,
screaming "Mommiemommiemommie!"; pursuing him are several large TYRANNOSAURUS
REXes, a SHOGGOTH, conical YITHIANS on flying discs shooting bolts from
lightning guns, some ELDER THINGS and MI-GO, a few DEEP ONES and some SERPENT
PEOPLE.)

CUT TO:

(EXTERIOR - Agent ORANGE and Agent OCHRE back at the outhouses. Agent OCHRE is
standing waist deep in a pit he's dug. ORANGE is now completely bald.)

ORANGE: ...all I'm saying is why even bother trying to deactivate the damn gate?
Let's just blow up the culvert entrance, burn down the old guy's house in case
we missed any evidence & get the hell out of this place.

OCHRE: And the murders?

ORANGE: Which ones?

OCHRE: The ones we originally came here to investigate!

ORANGE: Oh, those; I wasn't sure if you were including all of the other ones as
well. We just write up the first couple as "coyote mishaps". Let the hicks at
Inyo deal with the rest, if they ever find 'em.

OCHRE: Hey! I *know* how to hide bodies, you jerk.

(OCHRE raises his shovel threateningly.)

ORANGE: Easy, big guy. I wasn't implying anything. Just saying, ya know?
(laughing) I still can't believe that thing you did with the wood chipper in
Missoula and the "organic/vegan" crops...

OCHRE: "Fargo." (shrugging) My homage to the classics.

ORANGE: Heh. OK, assume the worst & someone someday finds a few of the other
bodies. Or parts. No biggie, ya know? Grab one of those hippie nudist druggies
over at Saline Valley & leak a Manson-style cult story to the press.

OCHRE: Works for me. (Grunting; steps out of pit, tosses some dirt into it.) Eh,
that's good enough for the Army. Tell you what, we'll do a boom & burnjob on our
way out of town, and let the taxpayers treat us to dinner & some brewskies in
Vegas. Sound good?

ORANGE: I'm game.

FINIS

A bit more seriously - If bodies start piling up, I can see the Agents doing
more to obstruct justice, stall and delay Inyo Co. cops & rangers, etc than
actual investigating until they are sure they've removed "oddities" from the
scene. On the plus side, until they shut down the gate they have the perfect
location to ditch inconvenient objects, dinosaur parts, tourists & reporters,
etc. What fun...

--jX

tomcusworth@... wrote:



Can I just add something here? I'd like to congratulate Adam on the fine  job
of editing he's done on Worlds of Cthulhu 3 (the congrats may be a little
late, but my FLGS only got it in stock a few weeks ago, so they are no less
genuine for being late).


I have to second this--I just picked up a copy of WoC 3 from, of all places, my
local Barnes and Noble, which is either pretty cool since it might reach some
people it might not otherwise have there, or is another sign that the stars are
coming right.
   Anyway, good stuff--kudos to Adam!
   -Trevor


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Greetings

The LizardKing awakened me from my slumber and wrote...

> I
was perusing some travel books the other day and came upon some odd
>
factoids concerning a prominent listmember's hometown.

Wow!
Planning a
visit?


> Turin stands at the vortex of two mystical triangles. The
black magic
> triangle consists of Turin, London, and San Francisco.
The white magic
> triangle consists of Turin, Prague, and Lyon.

Quite
so.

> Around the city are some 230 sculpted figures said to represent
> aspects of the energy flowing out of this unique geometry. Not a few
> of these are gruesome masks designed to ward off evil; there's one
for
> every window of the Palazzo Reale (Royal Palace).

These are
mostly Wild Men from the Hills - figures akin to the Bigfoot, if you
will.
"Homo salvaticus" - Classic Renaissance iconography.
But as
Leonardo Da Vinci wrote "Salvatico è chi si salva" (wild is he who
saves himself).
Go figure.
Last year I spent a whole day in town with
Japanese horror writer Bando Masako, looking for wild men in the
architecture.
I can't confirm there's 230 of them, but sure as hell
there's an awful lot.

> The Palazzo Reale is guarded (since 1846) by
the benign underworld
> demi-deities Castor and Pollux, represented by
statues flanking the
> front gate. This gate is considered to be the
most magical spot in the
> city, since the gateway marks the border
between the white and black
> magic halves of the city.
> Hmmmm, gotta
look into which side has Castor and which has Pollux.

Castor - left,
Pollux, right
Or, if you prefer, Castor, Northside, Pollux, Southside.
But the bit about "most magical spot in town" is open to debate - other
sources quote Piazza Statuto as the Black Pole of the city, and the
Apis sculpture in the Egyptiam museum as the white pole.

> The black
heart of the city is in the Piazza Statuto - which had been
> the site
of the city scaffold, before the Gates of Hell, said to lie
> under the
piazza's central flower bed.

Wrong about the scaffold - that one was
on the Rondò della Forca (the scaffold's turnpike).
But the place is
cursed, according to the people in the know.

> On the other side of
the divide, the Gates of Infinity are said to be
> in the Piazza
Solferino.

Under the embarassingly sexual Four Seasons fountain, built
by a joint venture of masonic financers and originally to be placed in
fromnt of the City Hall.

> Want some more Torino weirdness? The Holy
Grail is supposedly buried
> under the Chiesa della Madre di Dio.
Combine that with the famous
> Shroud in the Duomo di San Giovanni
Battiste and you've got some heavy
> hitting artifacts residing in the
same city with the largest Egyptian
> collection in the world outside
of Cairo.

Including the already mentioned Apis sculpture and a very
dark and sanity-shattering version of the Egyptian book of the dead.

>
IIRC, there were some unsolved prosty murders in Torino just prior to
>
the more famous Jack the Ripper murders.

Have been researching the
subject for years, now, but very little surfaces.
But three prostitutes
killed the Ripper way seem to be confirmed.

> "Nostradamuas stayed
here, where there is Paradise, Hell, Purgatory.
> I call myself
Victory. Who honors me will have Glory, who disdains me
> will know
complete ruin."

And no kidding.
I have a photo of the plate here
somewhere...

> Amazing what you'll find in those Lonely Planet and
Fodor guides, eh?

Yes indeed.

Cheers.

Davide Mana
Torino, Italy