Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
dglist · Delta Green Mailing List
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Want to share photos of your group with the world? Add a group photo to Flickr.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Dealing with Alzis   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #24493 of 25309 |
Re: [dglist] Dealing with Alzis

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 14:58, Brian Ridge<bwridge@...> wrote:
> SO I was reading my Delta GReen book while killing time at the airport today
and something struck me as somewhat hard to swallow.
>
> 1) IF Alzis is so damn powerful, how is it that he would need the help of a
couple of mortals (albeit mortals with guns and security clearances)? IF ALzis
wants some book out of a library vault somewhere, doesn't he have more than
enough power and ability to get the book himself?

He probably doesn't even want it, and he certainly doesn't need it. He
just wants the agents to dig their hole deeper. And remember; he
didn't get that powerful by always getting his own hands dirty.
Whenever he can have someone else do something for him - particularly
if that means that someone will end up in debt or in a position to be
blackmailed - why do it himself and deprive himself of the ability to
gather more power?

Or to turn it around; if the US has nuclear weapons, why do they send
in special forces to try to stop bad things going on? Why not just
nuke the site and be done with it? The reasons are parallel; just
because you have big guns does not mean using them is a good thing,
and you end up destroying your power instead of building it.

> 2) And, assuming that there is someone or something out there that can put
hurdles in front of Alzis that would require him seeking outside help, wouldn't
that same person or thing have an even easier time preventing human agents who
are aiding him? What.. .they can track down some esoteric and long-forgotten
magical ward but can't find a home depot with quality locks?

One thing to remember is that Alzis is, among other things he is,
immensely spoiled. Why would he do dirty work for his toys if others
are falling over themselves to do it for him?

> It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The mere fact that Alzis has to cut
deals to achieve ceertain ends seems to me to be evidence of a limited power.

The deals provide him with power. Consider. A team of agents need
something Alzis has in order to perform a deed they expect will
eventually if not save the world then at least delay its demise. He
says sure, just break into this and that place, probably under the
nose of their own employers, and steal something for me. The agents do
this, and end up under his thumb - he doesn't say it, but he can of
course rat them out whenever he wants to. And the deed they perform
doesn't quite have the expected result either. And they all end up
slightly more mad than they were before.

Net result; Alzis gets a book, a team of agents to play with, and
lends them something he can take back whenever he wants to.

Plus, he gets off on corrupting people.

Jesper



Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:01 pm

grippen42
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #24493 of 25309 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

SO I was reading my Delta GReen book while killing time at the airport today and something struck me as somewhat hard to swallow. THe book portrays Stephen...
Brian Ridge
bwridge
Offline Send Email
Jul 10, 2009
1:00 pm

... You see, the thing is, Alzis doesn't *HAVE* to cut deals with anyone to get things done. He *LIKES* to do so, because in the process of doing whatever...
George Woot Casper
wootfuxor
Offline Send Email
Jul 10, 2009
1:23 pm

Hi, Brian! I´ve been reading up some on the Fate and the Manhattan surroundings. As I see it, mr Alzis is never sending PCs on missions. The PCs have a...
david edmalm
it4edda
Offline Send Email
Jul 10, 2009
1:37 pm

As I use him, Alzis doesn't usually need DG agents to do crappy little jobs for him. He has the Network for that. But by allowing DG agents to help him with a...
Shane Ivey
hzgshane
Offline Send Email
Jul 10, 2009
1:42 pm

... He probably doesn't even want it, and he certainly doesn't need it. He just wants the agents to dig their hole deeper. And remember; he didn't get that...
Jesper Anderson
grippen42
Offline Send Email
Jul 10, 2009
2:03 pm

My personal take on Alzis is that he doesn't engage with DG cells out an ulterior motivation to complete some secret plan or even just to individually corrupt...
Gil Trevizo
furrylogic2
Offline Send Email
Jul 15, 2009
9:00 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help