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Re: [blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube] Corner Perm.

Hi friends,

So which do we have?

Corner permutations:
R'FR'B2RF'R'B2R2 (basic + inverse)
(L2 U) (B2 U')*2 (L2 U) (B2 U B2 U')
[RB'R'B]x3 (13)(27)
UL2UR2 U'L2UR2 U2 (Ron)
U'R2UR2UF2 U'R2U'R2UF2 (Ron)

Edge permutations:
RU'RURURU'R'U'R2 (+ inverse, mirrored F/B, inverted mirrored F/B. These
algorithms are really great!!)
MD2M'D2 (in any direction)
M'UMU2M'UM (in any direction, useful if you can do an easy F/B setup move
that flips edges!!)

Edge orientations:
ERERERER'ERERERER' (in any direction)
(M'U)*4 (UL, UB, DF, and DB)
(M'U')*4 (UR, UB, DF, and DB)
(M'U)*4 (MU)*4
(MD')*4 (M'D')*4
R2 D' (R2M2) (M'U)*4 (R2M2) D R2
F D F D' (EF')*4 D F' D' F'
M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2
(DwDRwR)*3 (octaflip)

Corner orientations:
R'DRFDF' Ux FD'F'R'D'R Ux'
(R'U2RUR'UR) U2 (L2U'F'BL2FB'U'L2)
(R'U2RUR'U'RUR'UR) (F2U'LR'F2RL'U'F2)
(LU2L'U'LU'L') (R'U2RUR'UR)
(F2 L F2 L') (U2 R U' R' F2 R' F2) (R U')
(F' D2 F R' U2 R) * 2

Basically you can do any two generator corner orientation (like RU2R'U'RU'R'
or RU2R2U'R2U'R2U2R), then check which edges are cycled, then undo the edge
cycle (see Edge permutations).
For the corner orientations there are many neat tricks in case the total
orientation of LL is not 0.

What could we add to this list?

One idea I got from blindfold solving to transfer to speedcubing is this:
suppose you could do the orientations (edges/corners) both in one step, and
the permutations (edges/corners) both in two steps. Then in 15 seconds
preinspection you could memorize the orientations. After that you do the
permutations. Total of 6 steps. That is better than the cross/F2L/OLL/PLL
system with 7 steps.
Another thing is this: without looking at the cross, just orient all edges.
This is much easier than for blindfold because you can do F to flip 4 edges.
I think the maximum depth for edge orientation is 7 moves. OK, now
preinspect the cube to solve the cross using moves in the group
(U,D,R,L,F2,B2). This would leave you a very easy F2L using only U, R and L
moves. And it would leave you a LL with oriented edges. Try this a few times
and then take an average not including the first step of orienting the
edges. Mine was better than my normal average.
Now if you could orient the edges very fast, and still be able to afterwards
solve the cross fluently, then you could maybe even improve your times.
This system can also be useful for one-handed cubing (many easy moves!!!)
and for beginners who have trouble with OLL or F2L (only 8 corners case for
OLL, no rotations or really hard cases for F2L).

Have fun,

Ron




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Hey everyone. So yeah, I just felt like posting some of the algs I use to see if anyone has any better ones, and also to see if anyone likes any of these. I...
cmhardw
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Apr 2, 2004
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Hi Chris, I don't have much to offer for corner orientation algs. I really only use one alg plus a multitude of inverses/reflections for all my CO needs. It...
Rob Butler
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Apr 2, 2004
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I seem to use an alg that I haven't seen anywhere....It may be long but super easy to memorize and super fast to execute: (L2 U) (B2 U')*2 (L2 U) (B2 U B2 U') ...
Brent Morgan
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Apr 2, 2004
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Hi friends, So which do we have? Corner permutations: R'FR'B2RF'R'B2R2 (basic + inverse) (L2 U) (B2 U')*2 (L2 U) (B2 U B2 U') [RB'R'B]x3 (13)(27) UL2UR2...
Ron van Bruchem
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Apr 3, 2004
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One algorithm that I often use is from Richard Carr's document: R'D'LDRD'L'DUL'UR2U'LUR2U2 You hold it so there's a corner with orientation 2 in position UFR, ...
Michael Atkinson
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Apr 5, 2004
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How fast can you execute this? Some time ago I found that you can get the same using a "double Sune", i.e. (L' U' L U' L' U2 L) (R U R' U R U2 R') This will...
Stefan Pochmann
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Apr 6, 2004
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I agree, all these algs are fast... but I think, ... the fastest way is just looking and planning ahead w/ nonstop, as ron says: "just simply looking ahead...
Brent Morgan
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Apr 7, 2004
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... In case you cared to know for sure, you're correct. I had written this into a program a bit ago and this is from the output - # of edge orientation states...
Grant Tregay
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... Can you tell us what these 13 states are? ... though ... when ... Hmm, maybe a simple greedy algorithm could work... but I haven't tried it yet, this is...
Stefan Pochmann
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... Hmm... I sent a response to this yesterday, and it doesn't appear to have gone through - I'll repost. Not surprisingly, the 13 states are superflip along...
Grant Tregay
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... I didn't say that right; the summaries of 2-13 indicate which edges are not flipped in each state. - Grant...
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