Apparently the inability to code AI values causes the Zillions adaptation of Millenium Chess to not work right. I was curious if anyone wanted to get ahold of...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 2, 2007 7:49 am
Anyone know if the site is still down, and when it might be up again?...
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Ed van Zon
ed.vanzon
Dec 2, 2007 8:44 am
... The Zillions site is off the air every Sunday night/morning for maintenance. At this moment it's back up again. cheers, Ed...
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Ed van Zon
ed.vanzon
Dec 2, 2007 8:51 am
... and ... How is it not working right? As for implementing it in Axiom, that would be a big challenge. Axiom isn't geared towards chess-like games....
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Greg Schmidt
gschmidt958
Dec 2, 2007 3:34 pm
I'm in basic agreement with Ed's response, it's doable but would require considerable effort. On the other hand, I expect it would be considerably easier than...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 2, 2007 5:46 pm
... Ed in the version of Mill. chess I did, with two captures of kings, Zillion actually plays the game. In the version implemented with a capture and...
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Mats Winther
mawin_se
Dec 2, 2007 6:42 pm
... <richardhutnik@> ... ability ... checkers ... Axiom. ... Axiom ... plays ... In all my chess variants I change the evaluation of pieces and I tweak ...
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 2, 2007 6:47 pm
I have tweaked the pre-king values from a little under 1,200 to the range of 127,286 vs a King value in the range of 111472. I believe that 16,000 gap will...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 2, 2007 7:19 pm
... Ok, thanks for the help. Can someone get this latest version on the Zillions site?...
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Greg Schmidt
gschmidt958
Dec 2, 2007 7:20 pm
... convert algorithms from any of the open source chess programs, ... I suspect a rewrite might be easier. One reason being that each chess program has it's...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 2, 2007 7:28 pm
... I would like to speak here and say, while Axiom isn't really suited for chess, I don't see any more development to Zillions being done here. As a result,...
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 2, 2007 7:37 pm
I will submit it closer to the end of the week and I am sure Ed will post it as part of his weekly Zillions posts. In the meantime anyone who is interested...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 2, 2007 7:43 pm
... Thanks. I will snag it and see if Zillions actually moves pawns....
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 2, 2007 10:29 pm
It will take more tweaking to get that. I only changed the value of the pre-King so the AI would want to protect it. The problem with the pawns is that a...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 2, 2007 10:52 pm
... Ok, it is working now. Well, pretty much. Any way piece recycling is on? I don't recall that you could only promote a pawn to a piece that was...
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 2, 2007 11:45 pm
I don't know about recycling. I only changed the code related to the pre-kings to bump their value. I did not look at or change any of the rest of the code....
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 2, 2007 11:58 pm
I have looked at the pawn code. The problem is that the pawn is two different pieces creating two different piece values. One has the initial move of one or...
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 3, 2007 12:37 am
... Ok, I will end up testing it more and then resubmit it. If it continues to work fine, I will go with this as the latest update. Thanks for the help...
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Alfred Pfeiffer
apfde
Dec 3, 2007 2:23 am
Hello, I am the guy who did the actual MillenniumChess.zrf at the Zillions site. Thank you for the tweaking of the Pre-King pieces, but the piece 'nmKing'...
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Alfred Pfeiffer
apfde
Dec 3, 2007 2:52 am
... In the original MillenniumChess site this rule is described at ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ... ...
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 3, 2007 3:32 am
I believe a pre-King will always have a regular move so the irregular null move will never be reached. A stalemate with two pre-kings would be just that....
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 3, 2007 4:59 am
... Ok, silly me. I will need to change it back and send it to Ed. ARGH! So much for me presuming....
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Rich Hutnik
docreason
Dec 3, 2007 5:17 am
I see there is now two versions of Millenium Chess. Whenever we can reach an agreement as to which one should be up on the Zillions site, can someone get it...
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Alfred Pfeiffer
apfde
Dec 3, 2007 9:55 am
... No, you could build a position where also the two pre-kings like the other own pieces will be blocked. Do you need an example? White: pKing a15, pKing a14,...
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Alfred Pfeiffer
apfde
Dec 3, 2007 10:39 am
I have to correct the example for the stalemate. Sorry when I was confusing you. ... Please read White: pKing a8, pKing a7, Rook b8, Bishop c8, Pawn a6, b7,...
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Mats Winther
mawin_se
Dec 3, 2007 11:31 am
... chess ... techniques ... I don't know what UCT is, but the UCI engines are amazing. UCI stands for universal chess interface. They are exe-files (open...
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 3, 2007 1:23 pm
No problem. Your good example arrived before there was any confusion. I see the problem. Stalemated by being blocked in. I have something I want to try....
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 3, 2007 1:25 pm
I am sure someone will get it along to Ed when all is worked out. I favor Alfred. As the file creator he should have creative control and be able to decide...
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Keith Carter
americanjury...
Dec 3, 2007 1:57 pm
The multiple sets of regular moves works. Your stalemate example now produces a stalemate instead of a pass move. With four extra sets of regular moves the...
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Greg Schmidt
gschmidt958
Dec 3, 2007 4:36 pm
... stands UCT (Upper Confidence bounds applied to Trees) is a new algorithm for game tree search (see post #144 in this group). It was used in a Go program...
