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Re: Colonies after Vichy France evaporation

Should 77.94 say something like

77.94 EFFECTS: If Vichy France is eliminated as set out in 77.91 or 77.92, all
hexes in European Vichy France and Corsica pass to German control, unless Allied
units have moved into or through them. **Axis ground units in any remaining
Vichy colonies gain control of the hexes in which they are located.** Any
remaining **Axis- or Vichy-controlled hexes in** Vichy colonies are controlled
by no one.

That would give the Axis control of only the hexes in which they have ground
units, while making all the rest of the colonial hexes neutral (other than any
hexes already controlled by the Allies).

Tim.


--- In aworldatwar@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Harper" <bruce54321@...> wrote:
>
> If your units are in the colonial capitals, you control them. If not, that's
not so good.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elihu Feustel
> To: aworldatwar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:37 PM
> Subject: [aworldatwar] Colonies after Vichy France evaporation
>
>
>
> Germany has units in Vichy France Colonies via hex control (8 result in
effect for Vichy). One Colony has a unit in the capital, and another has a unit
in the colony, but not the capital.
>
> Paris falls to the allies, and is not retaken. The allies are not at war
with Vichy France.
>
> A literal reading of the rules means:
> 1. All hexes in the colonies previously controlled by Germany are now
Neutral;
> 2. The German unit in the colony outside the capital will be unsupplied,
despite tracing full supply through the port last turn;
> 3. The German unit in a capital. Does he control the capital during supply
determination? Or is it uncontrolled during supply, acquired during movement
when the unit does not move, and supplied during post-combat supply?
>
> Below are the rules I found that seemed relevant, but I feel like I am
missing something, or the above conclusions don't make full sense.
>
> 77.92 ALLIED RECAPTURE OF PARIS: If the Allies have not declared war on
Vichy France and a diplomatic result of "-2" or "-3" is not in effect, Vichy
France ceases to exist and all Vichy French units are removed from the board at
the end of any Axis combat phase in which the Axis fail to recapture an Allied
or partisan-controlled Paris. Free French units are unaffected.
>
> 77.94 EFFECTS: If Vichy France is eliminated as set out in 77.91 or 77.92,
all hexes in European Vichy France and Corsica pass to German control, unless
Allied units have moved into or through them. Any remaining Vichy colonies are
controlled by no one.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Germany has units in Vichy France Colonies via hex control (8 result in effect for Vichy). One Colony has a unit in the capital, and another has a unit in the...
Elihu Feustel
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Feb 12, 2012
2:37 am

Some general rules may help clear up the Germans' North African control/supply problems.   29.2 HEX CONTROL BY OCCUPATION: 29.21 ENTRY INTO HEXES: Once play...
Dave Hanson
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Feb 12, 2012
2:59 am

It seems these two rules are in conflict: 29.22 MECHANICS OF HEX CONTROL: Each hex is controlled by the last major power to have ground units in it or to move...
Elihu Feustel
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Feb 12, 2012
3:27 am

... Isn't the rule "... at the end of any Axis combat phase in which the Axis fail to recapture an Allied or partisan-controlled Paris." So it is not like the...
donmoody@...
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Feb 12, 2012
4:05 am

I'm not arguing that the rule is unfair; only that there is a contradiction. In my game, I can probably get a 1:1 on Paris (I blundered, allowing a Fall 1942...
Elihu Feustel
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Feb 12, 2012
4:19 am

... OK - so the Axis player turn starts knowing that at the end of the Axis combat phase, Vichy France will cease to exist. So what did the Axis do with the...
donmoody@...
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Feb 12, 2012
4:28 am

This hasn't happened yet. If I can move Axis units off the capitals, I will be in a much stronger position in the med. If next turn (after the dissolution of...
Elihu Feustel
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Feb 12, 2012
4:45 am

... Can't you just declare war on Vichy, occupy the capitals of the colonies, take control of them, and then move off during redeployment? Randy...
randy_scheers Offline Send Email Feb 12, 2012
6:34 pm

Yes, I can. But if I win the 1-1 vs Paris, I killed off a potential ally (with Hex control, Malta and +1 for French surrender, I'd rather have them around if...
Elihu Feustel
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Feb 12, 2012
7:34 pm

If your units are in the colonial capitals, you control them. If not, that's not so good. ... From: Elihu Feustel To: aworldatwar@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Bruce Harper
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Feb 12, 2012
7:03 am

Should 77.94 say something like 77.94 EFFECTS: If Vichy France is eliminated as set out in 77.91 or 77.92, all hexes in European Vichy France and Corsica pass...
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