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Re: Venom Tuning Questions STOCK PIGTAILS TOO LONG


--- In arcusers@yahoogroups.com, "mx5alan" <aj902pi@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In arcusers@yahoogroups.com, "purdyd" <purdyd@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In arcusers@yahoogroups.com, "ichiman1" <ichiman1@y...> wrote:
> > > As commented above it's true, the V19 ships with front pigtails
> 10"(25cm) too long
>
> > if you need 10" of adjustment on the front pigtails, then i would
> say the 05 bar is different than the 04 bar as far as relative back
> to front line adjustment and 10" would be a heap of difference.
>
> Details I have for the PL Bars
> 03 Bar (Original Guerilla Bar)
> Leaders = 650mm from connections
> 200mm of depower
> No depower and fully sheeted LE connections are level with TE
leader
> knots.
>
> Z4 current bar
> Leaders = 860mm from the bar to knot
> 300mm of depower
> No depower and fully sheeted LE connections = 300mm shorter than
the
> TE leader knots.
>
> on the 03 bars the distance from Brake Leader connection to the bar
> is 50mm. if its same on Z4 that makes the 250mm difference.
>
> So pigtails are set for the Z4 bar.
> When connected to 03 Bar the Venom needs the extra knots added to
the
> LE pigtails.

alan
there has been 3 bars although the first 2 looked the same

the early g1 bar with floats had about 150mm of de-power and when you
de-powered it it formed a loop at the back of the strap
then when the g2's came out the depower strap had about 200mm of
adjustment, then the z4 bars have about 280mm of adjustment on the
strap and the leaders are longer
can anyone else confirm this?

with regard to pigtails on the v's ive extended mine on the 13 by 75mm
as when it was fully depowered the rear lines where too slack, would
be ok if unhooked but i always fly hooked in so would prefer the
power gain
my v19 could do with being extended about 25mm but i havnt done it yet

this is all on z4 bars

kev






Fri Mar 4, 2005 10:25 pm

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... all i can say as i have used the same bar/line setup for the G's G2's (with 5" shorter front pig tail) P's and now V's. I have never owned a 'stock' bar....
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... 10"(25cm) too long ... say the 05 bar is different than the 04 bar as far as relative back to front line adjustment and 10" would be a heap of difference. ...
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Mar 4, 2005
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... leader ... the ... the ... alan there has been 3 bars although the first 2 looked the same the early g1 bar with floats had about 150mm of de-power and...
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... do you realise your loosing another 150mm of extra power on the strap using a best bar? ... front...
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Mar 4, 2005
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... strap ... the power that you get our of the kite is in how you set the bar up, I think the correct term would be Extra 150mm De-power, and no I dont miss...
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Mar 5, 2005
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Mar 7, 2005
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I have been reading that your lines and rear lives should be the same length. Yes but when. When you measure your lines attached to the bar and chicken loop...
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... same ... chicken ... loop the end of the lines over something. walk back and pull on the bar and don't hook in, with the adjuster let almost all the way...
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Mar 5, 2005
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