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Re: Venom Tuning Questions STOCK PIGTAILS TOO LONG


--- In arcusers@yahoogroups.com, "ichiman1" <ichiman1@y...> wrote:
>
> As commented above it's true, the V19 ships with front pigtails 10"
> (25cm) too long and I spent a couple of less than perfect weekends
> for it.

all i can say as i have used the same bar/line setup for the G's G2's
(with 5" shorter front pig tail) P's and now V's.

I have never owned a 'stock' bar. I make my own webbing setup so
there is no stopper, just continuous webbing so i have a fair amount
of adjustment and travel. Yet, the again, as above, the kites have
been in pretty much the same place (except for the early G2's)

if you need 10" of adjustment on the front pigtails, then i would say
the 05 bar is different than the 04 bar as far as relative back to
front line adjustment and 10" would be a heap of difference. Of
course this might be limited to the V19? For me, the V16 and V13 are
pretty much like the phantoms and G2's with 5" off the front leader
(except for the G2-11 which had no adjustment on the front leader, go
figure).

my general preference is to fly with as much rear line tension as
possible, if the kite stalls, reduce, then as the power increases i
might let it out (increase tensino) a bit but as it gets winder, i
would pull in the rear lines and let the rear lines get looser. The
goal being to optimize turning speed for any given wind conditions
without unduly compromising straight line speed. Having some travel
in the chicken loop can help you by dynamically altering the relative
length of front and back lines, that is, slacken to get the kite to
accelerate, tight rear lines to get better turning.

It has been my experience with Arcs that optimum jumping often occurs
with a little more slack in the rear lines. So that point (wind
conditions) where you are starting to slack the rear lines because it
is windy is usually the point you are going to have the most fun and
you normally don't affect turning ability very much either. I would
call that the sweet spot. The next point is where you have to
slacken the lines to reduce power so much that the kite flies where
it wants to, not you flying the kite. That is the time to get a
smaller kite.

David









Fri Mar 4, 2005 7:18 pm

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I had a chance to try out my new V19 today - very light winds, so I was just checking things out on the beach. Winds were low, mostly less than 10 mph,...
Phil Calvin
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Mar 4, 2005
2:23 am

Lines, shorten the front pigtails on the kite by about 10inchs. I dont understand why kites are shipped with pigtails that are far too long! All lines off any...
pauric.rm
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Mar 4, 2005
3:57 am

... I was ... less than ... actual ... couple ... lines ... lines ... a good place to start, then adjust to suit conditions. I'm wondering if this was the...
purdyd
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Mar 4, 2005
4:20 am

As commented above it's true, the V19 ships with front pigtails 10" (25cm) too long and I spent a couple of less than perfect weekends for it. How do I know?...
ichiman1
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Mar 4, 2005
1:38 pm

... Shorten ... One of the reasons I am working on a ARC setup FAQ... ;-) As requested in 3 previous posts :-( What are the 'as supplied' pigtail lengths for...
mx5alan
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Mar 4, 2005
4:18 pm

Does anyone have a B10.5 for sale? Or maybe you haven't gotten your V10's yet... Cheers! /Fredrik...
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Mar 4, 2005
6:58 pm

We currently have some great prices on all the Bomba's and do have some 10.5's in stock. Happy Winds! Kent www.awindofchange.com ...
gamelord
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Mar 4, 2005
11:25 pm

Hi I have not been following the pigtail thred until now. The bar and lines sould be all equal when the trim is fully powered up with the trim out.I will check...
mrfloat05
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Mar 4, 2005
9:27 pm

... all i can say as i have used the same bar/line setup for the G's G2's (with 5" shorter front pig tail) P's and now V's. I have never owned a 'stock' bar....
purdyd
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Mar 4, 2005
7:21 pm

... 10"(25cm) too long ... say the 05 bar is different than the 04 bar as far as relative back to front line adjustment and 10" would be a heap of difference. ...
mx5alan
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Mar 4, 2005
9:50 pm

... leader ... the ... the ... alan there has been 3 bars although the first 2 looked the same the early g1 bar with floats had about 150mm of de-power and...
kiteboarderkev
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Mar 4, 2005
10:25 pm

hmmm, my V16 flies perfect on a straight outta the bag '04 bar I'll measure the pigtails when I get it out next Craig...
doofusdog2003
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Mar 4, 2005
9:34 pm

Initially I thought the same. front pigtails are too long however now flying all 3 V's fine off the standard setting on a best 60cm bar is OK, sometimes for...
Drew
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Mar 4, 2005
10:20 pm

... do you realise your loosing another 150mm of extra power on the strap using a best bar? ... front...
kiteboarderkev
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Mar 4, 2005
10:27 pm

... strap ... the power that you get our of the kite is in how you set the bar up, I think the correct term would be Extra 150mm De-power, and no I dont miss...
Drew
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Mar 5, 2005
2:54 am

Hey this thread is getting interesting it seems to me that there is a very wide range of settings depending on what you want from the kite. It is important...
ichiman1
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Mar 7, 2005
3:01 am

I have been reading that your lines and rear lives should be the same length. Yes but when. When you measure your lines attached to the bar and chicken loop...
Fred Greissing
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Mar 4, 2005
11:36 pm

... same ... chicken ... loop the end of the lines over something. walk back and pull on the bar and don't hook in, with the adjuster let almost all the way...
purdyd
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Mar 5, 2005
2:20 am

... same length. Yes but when. Trim strap all the way out and bar out (away from the chicken loop) ARCs fly off the front lines, when attached to flying lines...
mx5alan
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Mar 5, 2005
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