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Re: [DBMMlist] Chariots vs Cavalry (was Re: Gallic and Galati an cav   Message List  
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RE: [ancmed] [DBMMlist] Chariots vs Cavalry (was Re: Gallic and Galati an cava...

Hmmm... Thought about talking to BM PR, or even the media studies guys of a
local college about a pilot study on the use of Youtube for dissemination of
knowledge ;-)

Or do "Rights" make that wrong?

Cheers.
Kev
-----Original Message-----
From: radi_kibsi <nigel@...>
Sent: 24 September 2008 15:58
To: ancmed@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancmed] [DBMMlist] Chariots vs Cavalry (was Re: Gallic and Galati an
cava...

No idea, sorry.

I have my own footage of course, but it isn't that the important bits are
interleaved with other stuff, it's more that the important bits never made it
into the programme in the first place. For example, we
made a recon of a large 7th century Assyrian chariot for one show, but it really
needed more time to sort out the draught-system than was available. The producer
had decided long before that his take
would be that these vehicles were impractical, so we didn't get that time, and
so it was scripted, and it hardly appeared on screen.

Nigel

--- In ancmed@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Zorn <jrz3@...> wrote:
>
> So, none of the productions has ever been released on dvd? The rest
> of the content of the video isn't important. I have access to the
> technology to sample out the important bits. I just need to know if
> they are available anywhere.
>
> At 06:40 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
>
> >I've lost count how many there are. I've helped design about six ANE
> >chariots of various
> >types which have featured in 5 or 6 TV programmes. They seem to crop
> >up on Discovery
> >Channel or BBC Channel 4 fairly frequently.
> >
> >The problem is that you usually won't find *our* conclusions
> >actually in those
> >programmes, as the content is all down to the whim of the
> >producer/director and whatever
> >agenda they've decided beforehand for the prog. This is TV ...
> >
> >So the programmes as transmitted aren't very useful as experimental
> >archaeology,
> >although if there's time we try to carry out experiments in between
> >the shots. it's on my
> >list of things to write-up at some point, though I gave a
> >preliminary paper at the London
> >Rencontre with pics and video a few years ago. Couple of things to do first!
> >
> >Nigel
> >
> >--- In <mailto:ancmed%40yahoogroups.com>ancmed@yahoogroups.com, Jeff
> >Zorn <jrz3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Are there any videos/dvds out there for sale that document all this
> > > riding around? They were show on TV, right? Have the shows been made
> > > available for purchase?
> > >
> > > At 06:17 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I see everyone got in before me : )
> > > >
> > > >Indeed we have tested this, and having ridden in a chariot with a
> > > >woven rawhide floor and
> > > >one with a floor of nylon webbing I can say that there's no
> > > >comparison: the rawhide
> > > >'suspension' is excellent.
> > > >
> > > >Nigel
> > > >
> > > >--- In
> >
<mailto:ancmed%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:ancmed%40yahoogroups.com>ancmed@yahoogr\
oups.com,
> >
> > > >"Steve Burt" <steve.and.mary.burt@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > This last is completly not true. A moving chariot is always
> > > > bouncing unless they
> > > >generated some sort of proto Rolls Royce type suspension.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, they did - it involved both the spoked wheels (constructed in a
> > > > > way that made them very strong and flexible) and the cab being
> > > > > suspended on rawhide thongs, or having a floor made of such thongs.
> > > > > They are actually more stable as a shooting platform at speed than
> > > > > when going slowly (a bit like a horse, in fact).
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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Hi Nigel, I am probably not familiar with the rule you refrence with the concept that chariots are underrated. I am familiar with them but I am unsure how...
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... chariots are underrated. I meant in scholarship, not in rules systems (though I suppose the same is true as the one sometimes pays lip service to the other...
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:53 AM, rfrusso@... <rfrusso@...> wrote: <snip> ... lines of "superior"=infantry. <snip> I think that the reason most horse...
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This all assumes that the target is infantry, infantry without bows, or something that's standing still, or that there are few shooters at any one time. It all...
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Sorry, the stirrups may not be the most important thing in the world. But like ANY tack it improves the average warrior. Nigel has already commented that...
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Hi Lloyd makes several points. I love how we keep trying to discuss subjects like there ia a "unified field theory" involved. "Plus, not all cultures had...
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Incorrect, Rocky. The chariot as a shooting platform for archery has been tested in reconstructions and is more stable than the ridden horse. Ash ... subjects...
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Sep 24, 2008
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... Well, they did - it involved both the spoked wheels (constructed in a way that made them very strong and flexible) and the cab being suspended on rawhide...
Steve Burt
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I see everyone got in before me : ) Indeed we have tested this, and having ridden in a chariot with a woven rawhide floor and one with a floor of nylon webbing...
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Are there any videos/dvds out there for sale that document all this riding around? They were show on TV, right? Have the shows been made available for...
Jeff Zorn
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Sep 24, 2008
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I've lost count how many there are. I've helped design about six ANE chariots of various types which have featured in 5 or 6 TV programmes. They seem to crop...
radi_kibsi
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Sep 24, 2008
10:40 am

So, none of the productions has ever been released on dvd? The rest of the content of the video isn't important. I have access to the technology to sample out...
Jeff Zorn
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No idea, sorry. I have my own footage of course, but it isn't that the important bits are interleaved with other stuff, it's more that the important bits never...
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Rocky, If the horse is moving at a walk or gallop, the movement is smooth. The first is slow and the second is tiring to the horse. However, a canter/trot is...
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Hmmm... Thought about talking to BM PR, or even the media studies guys of a local college about a pilot study on the use of Youtube for dissemination of...
Kev O'Neill
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Sep 25, 2008
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Hmmm, do you put all your research notes online? My experience of letting people have free access to my ideas and work in progress is that they run off and...
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Sep 25, 2008
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Howdy, We no doubt both know senior colleagues who have died leaving major work unpublished (far, far too often the case I'm afraid). We all have good ...
Jeffrey R. Zorn
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Well, hmm, I spent the last two years finishing the last of Barnett's publishing projects and I'm now on the Nimrud Bowls, which is one of Layard's. Time lends...
radi_kibsi
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Sep 25, 2008
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So, you're already training students to finish your work, while you finish Layard and Barnett? ;-) Job security of sorts for a future generation....
Jeffrey R. Zorn
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Training? What's that?? Nigel ... <mailto:ancmed%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:ancmed%40yahoogroups.com>ancmed@y ahoogroups.com, ... ...
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Would be brilliant displays....... ... From: radi_kibsi <nigel@...> To: ancmed@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 25 September, 2008 11:54:02 ...
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You'd think, Sadly, no room ... Nigel ... rest ... official ... with ... first ... needed ... was ... ancmed@y...
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Layard seems to come under the heading of unfinished projects for me as well. Managed to rebind one set of the 1849 expedition before other things got in the...
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