... or not? ... No, Fischer's Random Chess is not an abstract game. As I already answered you in another forum, a variant of an abstract game is not ...

amen! ... or not? ... No, Fischer's Random Chess is not an abstract game. As I already answered you in another forum, a variant of an abstract game is not ...

Hello, That is very good question. In principle I should say that any game including a random component should be discounted as a Abstract Str. Game. HOWEVER...

... "only"? The problem here is that one player, by the luck of the draw, will probably receive a more advantageous starting arrangement than the other...

... no, that is unlikely. But 960chess is a case of the 'letter' and the 'spirit', the answer depends on how much of a fundamentalist you want to be. Perhaps...

... Oh! So it's "unlikely" is it? You seem to be admitting that there's an element of luck here. There can be no doubt that a Chess expert would find some...

I know that I am about 1 year late. However I would like to point out why I don't agree with you, Mark. Do you consider standard chess to be an Abstract...

Hi Maurizio, ... Yes, this is true. ... No, this is not true. This presumes access to a theoretical super computer which can calculate perfect moves, no...

... "only"? The problem here is that one player, by the luck of the draw, will probably get a more advantageous starting arrangement than the other player....

... Mark, So if we play one game of chess, that is not an abstract game unless we have some non-random way of deciding who plays white? Paul...

... And if players play BOTH sides, then what? Just curious here. It would be like playing Tablut in regards to potential unbalancing issues....

... or not? ... I would say that Chess960 is an abstract game, because both players have perfect information when they make their moves. They decide at random...

I disagree. Yes, tossing a coin and randomly arranging pieces are both random events that take place before either player has taken a turn. But the...

... Well, yes, you would be. But it would be an abstract game nonetheless. Abstract games are not necessarily balanced, nor are they necessarily interesting....

... Yes, Dipole would still be an abstract game. But tossing a coin to decide how we're going to plan our evening is not an abstract game. All turn based...

... After sleeping on it, it's obvious to me you're right: one of the basic classic theorems about abstract games is that with perfect play the outcome would...

... Thank you. ... In perfect play Thompson Nonrandom Chess would be equivalent to game number 480 in a list of games sorted by favorableness to Player 1, game...

... Hmmm. Well, certainly perfect play in a game so close to chess would pretty likely end in a draw. The notion of ranking the games according to...

... or not? ... The question just made me think of a non-random version of Chess960, (which I suppose could be called Thompson Nonrandom Chess). Player 1 takes...

... or not? ... Fischer Random Chess is a set of 960 abstract games. Alfred Pfeiffer...

... Ok, so then a tournament where there is a set of say 100 abstract strategy games and they are picked at random what is played, would be akin to Fischer...

... Yes, you may see it so. After each selection an abstract game begins. The random selection is not a part of the selected abstract game. You can make the...

... The reason for the random selection of games is so that it prevents players from preparing for what they might face, so it provides a more accurate test of...

... I meant the Mark Thompson's proposal in message 1167 ... Yes. ... A set of abstract games. (Because the selection is not a part of the play so you always...