On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Nick Eden <nick@...>wrote:

>
>
> Or at least it should be, in the UK anyhow. It's on the latest new releases
> sheet from Esdevium Games.
>
> And at the considerably more appealing than expected price of £19.99 as
> well.
>
> Now just hoping Sartar will follow in time for Christmas.
>
> Yep, saw it in my FLGS on Friday. In fact, I walked in and someone was
buying a copy. Thank goodness. Now there may actually be a chance for the
new edition to win some new converts.

Shannon


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dougiepunk wrote:
>
>
>
> Interestingly, they found a number a number of other quite deverse
> croc types in the same area.. hmm...
>
>
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6923503.e\
ce
>
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6923503.\
ece>
>
> they really were out to get you!
>

As always, TetZoo proves informative:
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2007/03/move_over_theropoda_sebecosuch.p\
hp


Back in the Mesozoic, Crocodiles were a surprisingly diverse group (my
"Porlaso crocodile" is based on a real croc that actually had flippers
and tail flukes), and, scary as they are now, they used to be worse! All
grist to the mill, especially (IMO) in Pameltela.

--
Trotsky
Gamer and Skeptic

------------------------------------------------------
Trotsky's RPG website: http://www.ttrotsky.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Not a Dead Communist: http://jrevell.blogspot.com/

Or at least it should be, in the UK anyhow. It's on the latest new releases
sheet from Esdevium Games.

And at the considerably more appealing than expected price of £19.99 as
well.

Now just hoping Sartar will follow in time for Christmas.


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Interestingly, they found a number a number of other quite deverse croc types in
the same area.. hmm...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6923503.e\
ce

they really were out to get you!

-:)

Dougie.

--- In WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com, Trotsky <TTrotsky@...> wrote:
>
> dougiepunk wrote:
> >
> >
> > (sorry for cross posting this to HeroQuest-RPG - meant to send it here)
> >
> >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/19/galloping-dinosaur-eating-crocodil\
es#
> >
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/19/galloping-dinosaur-eating-crocodi\
les#>
> >
> > so does it live in the River of Cradles and ambush herd beasts in the
> > Wastes?
> >
>
> Way back when, I wrote for Anaxial's Roster (in a section cut, when it
> was decided to focus only on Genertelan creatures):
>
>
> /The crocodiles that the gods made in Pameltela were these:/
>
>     * /First, the Porlasan crocodile, that hunts beneath the waves/
>     * /Second, the Umathelan crocodile, which is small and swift/
>     * /Third, the horror crocodile, that makes the ground shudder/
>     * /Fourth, the plains crocodile, that runs across the dry land/
>     * /Fifth, the eastern crocodile, who has mastered the ambush/
>
>
>
> This beast sounds likes the "plains crocodile" to me...
>
> --
> Trotsky
> Gamer and Skeptic
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Trotsky's RPG website: http://www.ttrotsky.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> Not a Dead Communist: http://jrevell.blogspot.com/
>

> Further Research: The Acaeum claims that some of the boxed versions had "A
> $26.00 Value" on them. I presume Jeff's copy was part of one of these.

Normally, when something says "a $XX value", it is being sold for less than
XX, giving the impression (correctly or not) that you are getting a deal by
*only* paying $YY.

So if the Boxed RQ2 was $20 (as the RQC states), and says it is a "$26
Value" then you're getting $6 worth of stuff "free".

RR
He was born with the gift of laughter and the sense that the world was mad
R. Sabatini, Scaramouche

The original deep box RQ2 was advertised at $26. That box set had apple lane as
well as fangs and a few other bits and pieces. It was twice the price of the
softcover rulebook.

--- In WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com, "markmohrfield" <markmohrfield@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Okay, after hunting through my collection of ancient, musty, RQ2 materials I
came upon a price list from the RuneQuest Companion, copyright 1983. It claims
>
> RuneQuest...$12.00
> Hardcover RuneQuest...$15.00
> Boxed RuneQuest...$20.00
> SnakePipe Hollow..$6.00
> Cults of Prax...$12.00
> Foes...$12.00
> Plunder...$6.00
> RuneMasters...$12.00
> Cults of Terror...$10.00
> Borderlands...$16.00
> Trollpak...$18.00
> SoloQuest...$8.00
> Questworld...$15.00
> Scorpian Hall...$10.00
> The Snow Queen's Bride...$6.00
> Pavis...$18.00
> The Big Rubble...$10.00(probably a typo, since it also claims BR to be a book
rather than a boxed set.)
> RuneQuest Companion....$8.00
>
> Some of these may have had reduced prices, as I think RQ3 was in the pipeline
by this point, but I still don't think RQ2 went for $26.00 dollars. I suspect
that Jeff's copy was part of some kind on bundle.
>
> Again on the broader point I think Jeff is correct; current prices are indeed
at least as good as past ones.
>
>                                                  Mark Mohrfield
>

Further Research: The Acaeum claims that some of the boxed versions had "A
$26.00 Value" on them. I presume Jeff's copy was part of one of these.

http://wiki.acaeum.com/wiki/RuneQuest

                                                     Mark Mohrfield

dougiepunk wrote:
>
>
> (sorry for cross posting this to HeroQuest-RPG - meant to send it here)
>
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/19/galloping-dinosaur-eating-crocodil\
es#
>
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/19/galloping-dinosaur-eating-crocodi\
les#>
>
> so does it live in the River of Cradles and ambush herd beasts in the
> Wastes?
>

Way back when, I wrote for Anaxial's Roster (in a section cut, when it
was decided to focus only on Genertelan creatures):


/The crocodiles that the gods made in Pameltela were these:/

     * /First, the Porlasan crocodile, that hunts beneath the waves/
     * /Second, the Umathelan crocodile, which is small and swift/
     * /Third, the horror crocodile, that makes the ground shudder/
     * /Fourth, the plains crocodile, that runs across the dry land/
     * /Fifth, the eastern crocodile, who has mastered the ambush/



This beast sounds likes the "plains crocodile" to me...

--
Trotsky
Gamer and Skeptic

------------------------------------------------------
Trotsky's RPG website: http://www.ttrotsky.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Not a Dead Communist: http://jrevell.blogspot.com/

My own dim recollection is that when I bought it in Spring 1984, RQ2 was sold
in the UK in a Games Workshop boxed set, for £10.00. That included some dice,
some pre-prepared NPCs and "Basic Role-playing" as well.
 
I don't remember the £: $ exchange rate at this time, but if it was £1 = $1.50,
then the £10.00 boxed set was broadly comparable to $12.00 for just the book. 
 
Like other correspondents, I expect the new edition of RQ after Avalon Hill
became involved (late 1984?) was probably the nadir of prices, after allowing
for inflation.
 
Richard Hayes
 

--- On Fri, 20/11/09, markmohrfield <markmohrfield@...> wrote:


From: markmohrfield <markmohrfield@...>
Subject: [WorldofGlorantha] Re: Comparative prices - original RQ and Sartar
To: WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 20 November, 2009, 17:53




Okay, after hunting through my collection of ancient, musty, RQ2 materials I
came upon a price list from the RuneQuest Companion, copyright 1983. It claims

RuneQuest...$12.00
Hardcover RuneQuest...$15.00
Boxed RuneQuest...$20.00
SnakePipe Hollow..$6.00
Cults of Prax...$12.00
Foes...$12.00
Plunder...$6.00
RuneMasters...$12.00
Cults of Terror...$10.00
Borderlands...$16.00
Trollpak...$18.00
SoloQuest...$8.00
Questworld...$15.00
Scorpian Hall...$10.00
The Snow Queen's Bride...$6.00
Pavis...$18.00
The Big Rubble...$10.00(probably a typo, since it also claims BR to be a book
rather than a boxed set.)
RuneQuest Companion....$8.00

Some of these may have had reduced prices, as I think RQ3 was in the pipeline by
this point, but I still don't think RQ2 went for $26.00 dollars. I suspect that
Jeff's copy was part of some kind on bundle.

Again on the broader point I think Jeff is correct; current prices are indeed at
least as good as past ones.

                                                 Mark Mohrfield



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links








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Okay, after hunting through my collection of ancient, musty, RQ2 materials I
came upon a price list from the RuneQuest Companion, copyright 1983. It claims

RuneQuest...$12.00
Hardcover RuneQuest...$15.00
Boxed RuneQuest...$20.00
SnakePipe Hollow..$6.00
Cults of Prax...$12.00
Foes...$12.00
Plunder...$6.00
RuneMasters...$12.00
Cults of Terror...$10.00
Borderlands...$16.00
Trollpak...$18.00
SoloQuest...$8.00
Questworld...$15.00
Scorpian Hall...$10.00
The Snow Queen's Bride...$6.00
Pavis...$18.00
The Big Rubble...$10.00(probably a typo, since it also claims BR to be a book
rather than a boxed set.)
RuneQuest Companion....$8.00

Some of these may have had reduced prices, as I think RQ3 was in the pipeline by
this point, but I still don't think RQ2 went for $26.00 dollars. I suspect that
Jeff's copy was part of some kind on bundle.

Again on the broader point I think Jeff is correct; current prices are indeed at
least as good as past ones.

                                                  Mark Mohrfield

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Jeff <richaje@...> wrote:

>
>
> Just for laugh and giggles, I checked out the original release price of
> Runequest in 1978 ("A $26 Value") and then computed that price in 2008
> dollars (we don't yet have the data for 2009 but it is likely to look
> awful).
>
> Runequest cost $85 in 2009 dollars.
>
  I wonder how I could have afforded $26 for a game in 1978? (Actually in
'79, at the end of my freshman year of college.) I remember paying $40 for
the deluxe boxed set a few years later, after a lot of scrimping and saving.
That seemed pricey to me back then, and I don't buy many books at that price
today, either.

Guy (Hoyle)


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Though remember that the crazy prices of RQ3 played a significant part in
killing the game, at least in the UK market.

Back in 1981 I was able to buy the RQ2 box with saved allowance for (I
think) £10. RQ3 came along and cost about £40, completely forcing the game
out of my reach, and pretty much every kid's reach. It took a long time
before that cost and the dreadful initial supplements damage was repaired.




On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM, markmohrfield <markmohrfield@...>wrote:

>
>
> --- In WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <richaje@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just for laugh and giggles, I checked out the original release price of
> Runequest in 1978 ("A $26 Value") and then computed that price in 2008
> dollars (we don't yet have the data for 2009 but it is likely to look
> awful).
> >
> > Runequest cost $85 in 2009 dollars.
> >
> > Just ponder that.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
> Wasn't the rulebook $11.99? (Which still comes to better than $40.00, of
> course.) For a really absurd price, we can always look to how much we paid
> for the deluxe RQ3 box in '85. $40.00, wasn't it?
>
>                                                 Mark Mohrfield
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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>> Oh, I definitely agree with your broader point. After all, the $40.00+
>> for the core 1978 rulebook is still more than the $30.00 for the current
>> core rulebook, and they are about the same size. But I'm a little
>> suspicious of the $26.00 price tag. I got the $11.99 price from John M.
>> Ford's article "On Playing Roles: a Second Look" that was in the
>> September 1980 issue of Asimoz's SF Magazine.

My copy of RQ1 has the Chaosium "Other Products" printed on the back page.
RuneQuest is listed as $8. (WBRM is $10).

RR
He was born with the gift of laughter and the sense that the world was mad
R. Sabatini, Scaramouche

> Oh, I definitely agree with your broader point. After all, the $40.00+ for the
core 1978 rulebook is still more than the $30.00 for the current core rulebook,
and they are about the same size. But I'm a little suspicious of the $26.00
price tag. I got the $11.99 price from John M. Ford's article "On Playing Roles:
a Second Look" that was in the September 1980 issue of Asimoz's SF Magazine.

Woops my bad - that is from my 1980 copy of RQ 2. Sorry, that copy goes for a
mere $70 in 2008 dollars.

Jeff

--- In WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <richaje@...> wrote:
>
> > Wasn't the rulebook $11.99? (Which still comes to better than $40.00, of
course.) For a really absurd price, we can always look to how much we paid for
the deluxe RQ3 box in '85. $40.00, wasn't it?
>
> My book cover has the "A $26 value" on it. The deluxe RQ3 box also comes out
to $80 in 2008 dollars.
>
> Just keep this in mind when you think about the price of Sartar. Those old
book you remember being so cheap, weren't really so cheap after all.
>
> Jeff
>

Oh, I definitely agree with your broader point. After all, the $40.00+ for the
core 1978 rulebook is still more than the $30.00 for the current core rulebook,
and they are about the same size. But I'm a little suspicious of the $26.00
price tag. I got the $11.99 price from John M. Ford's article "On Playing Roles:
a Second Look" that was in the September 1980 issue of Asimoz's SF Magazine.

                                                   Mark Mohrfield

I always have the difference between todays price and the prices "then" in
mind.

But that might be that i am also a movie geek:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm


Cheers

André

.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <richaje@...>
To: <WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [WorldofGlorantha] Re: Comparative prices - original RQ and Sartar


> Wasn't the rulebook $11.99? (Which still comes to better than $40.00, of
course.) For a really absurd price, we can always look to how much we paid
for the deluxe RQ3 box in '85. $40.00, wasn't it?

My book cover has the "A $26 value" on it. The deluxe RQ3 box also comes out
to $80 in 2008 dollars.

Just keep this in mind when you think about the price of Sartar. Those old
book you remember being so cheap, weren't really so cheap after all.

Jeff

> Wasn't the rulebook $11.99? (Which still comes to better than $40.00, of
course.) For a really absurd price, we can always look to how much we paid for
the deluxe RQ3 box in '85. $40.00, wasn't it?

My book cover has the "A $26 value" on it. The deluxe RQ3 box also comes out to
$80 in 2008 dollars.

Just keep this in mind when you think about the price of Sartar. Those old book
you remember being so cheap, weren't really so cheap after all.

Jeff

--- In WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <richaje@...> wrote:
>
> Just for laugh and giggles, I checked out the original release price of
Runequest in 1978 ("A $26 Value") and then computed that price in 2008 dollars
(we don't yet have the data for 2009 but it is likely to look awful).
>
> Runequest cost $85 in 2009 dollars.
>
> Just ponder that.
>
> Jeff
>

Wasn't the rulebook $11.99? (Which still comes to better than $40.00, of
course.) For a really absurd price, we can always look to how much we paid for
the deluxe RQ3 box in '85. $40.00, wasn't it?

                                                  Mark Mohrfield

Just for laugh and giggles, I checked out the original release price of
Runequest in 1978 ("A $26 Value") and then computed that price in 2008 dollars
(we don't yet have the data for 2009 but it is likely to look awful).

Runequest cost $85 in 2009 dollars.

Just ponder that.

Jeff

Anyone from Yorkshire heading down to Dragonmeet able to bring a copy back
to t'north?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Colin <colin@...>wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Sorry for bothering you, but Jeff recommended on RPG.net that I ask this
> question here. Is there anyone going to Dragonmeet who would be prepared to
> pick up a pre-ordered copy of Sartar and post it down to me in Devon,
> please? Obviously I'd pay for any P&P and time spent via Paypal.
>
> cheers!
> Colin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Hello friends

The CHRISTMAS SALE of The Chaos Society is half way up (the special prices
will be valid only until December 6th).

Some items are only available in small amounts anymore.

Get them while you can (or the prices go up again)!


Cheers

The Chaos Society
www.tradetalk.de



.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Osentalka" <osentalka@...>
To: <WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com>; <HeroQuest-RPG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Christmas Sale at Tradetalk.de


> Hello friends
>
> *** CHRISTMAS SALE at Tradetalk.de !!! ***
> We need space in our storage room for upcoming books, published by
ourself,
> our partner fan-publishers,
> or the official RuneQuest and HeroQuest companies.
> A lot of items have their price reduced (you can see the new price in bold
> after our normal store price, at the SALES page.
> All offers while supplies last!
> All prices on this page INCLUDE worldwide shipping & handling!
> And now: Come on and buy a gloranthan christmas gift for your beloved ones
> (or yourself). :-)
>
>
> Cheers
>
> André Jarosch
> Headman of the RuneQuest Gesellschaft e.V. aka The Chaos Society
> Editor of Tradetalk magazine
>

Take a look (or better yet, post your 5)

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=484292

Jeff and I have a large number of people to thank for all of their magnificent
work on the Sartar Kingdom of Heroes book. In particular, since I worked with
them directly and very recently, I thought I would start with the artists,
cartographers, and graphics crew. Under Simon Bray and Jeff's aegis we have more
new art for this book than any other Gloranthan book published, even the
Gloranthan classics. The artists have collectively done an amazing job of
bringing Glorantha alive through their copious number of illustrations. Both
veteran and brand new artists, Simon, Manoel, Regis, Jed, Dan, Mike, Juha, and
several King of Dragon Pass artists all came up trumps.

Our cartographers (Pearce and Driver) brought artistry and Consistency to the
maps we have included. We think you will enjoy having color maps of the regions
and well detailed city/town maps of many of the places your characters can visit
as they adventure. We've also had the good fortune of having the runes
categorized and described more graphically than ever previously done. Matthew
Cole, who also helped flesh out (literally) the character sheets has earned our
many thanks as well.

With all these experts sending me hundreds of Megabytes of files I found myself
having a hard time getting the layout done. I kept reading maps, marvelling at
images and figuring out what tattoos might end up on the character sheets. I
hope you'll like the layout, it's a departure from the layout Issaries used and
much closer to what I did for the Gloranthan Classics.

Jeff and I have many more people to thank as well, but I wanted to start with
the production crew. Five Stars, gentlemen!

Regards,
Rick Meints
Moon Design

(sorry for cross posting this to HeroQuest-RPG - meant to send it here)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/19/galloping-dinosaur-eating-crocodil\
es#

so does it live in the River of Cradles and ambush herd beasts in the Wastes?

-:)

Dougie.

That is good news!

--- In WorldofGlorantha@yahoogroups.com, "Colin" <oaklynx@...> wrote:
>
> Just a heads-up, someone has offered to pick up a copy and post it down to me,
so all sorted (and pre-ordered), thanks. :)
>
> Colin
>

Just a heads-up, someone has offered to pick up a copy and post it down to me,
so all sorted (and pre-ordered), thanks. :)

Colin

Hey all,

Sorry for bothering you, but Jeff recommended on RPG.net that I ask this
question here. Is there anyone going to Dragonmeet who would be prepared to pick
up a pre-ordered copy of Sartar and post it down to me in Devon, please?
Obviously I'd pay for any P&P and time spent via Paypal.

cheers!
Colin

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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Ah yes, forgot the most important tip.

If you value computer performance, do NOT turn all of the images on at once.
Nor should you check the top level folder as "on", since this also turns all
of the images on at once.

If you do so, you have to wait for nearly every image to download from the
internet before you computer becomes functional again. Better to do this in
small batches. Besides, the images are all overlapping, you probably won't
get much out of seeing them all at once.

--Todd

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Todd Gardiner <todd.gardiner@...>wrote:

> Speaking of maps, here is another Google Earth file...
>
> I have made a half scale mapping of Genertela on Google Earth and centered
> it in the Pacific again. This should reduce the measurement distortion,
> although you did need to multiple any measurement you get by two.
>
>
> If this interests you, please download Google Earth from
> http://earth.google.com and then get the file I created from the
> WorldofGlorantha yahoo group files.
>
> --Todd Gardiner
>   (Who obvious works with Google Earth for a living.)
>


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Speaking of maps, here is another Google Earth file...

I have made a half scale mapping of Genertela on Google Earth and centered
it in the Pacific again. This should reduce the measurement distortion,
although you did need to multiple any measurement you get by two.

What is this set of maps? It is every map I could find online, overlapping
and matched in scale. To see the source of the map, open the item for
editing and check the link to see the originating URL.

Incomplete listing: All Mongoose Publishing 2nd Age maps. Maps posted on
Glorantha.com. Maps posted on Wesley's Glorantha Site. A few maps taken from
online PDFs on the Chaos Society website (these are bundled in the file,
instead of linking directly. See notes attached to each file in Google
Earth).

Tips for use:

    - Remember that this is half of the canonical scale to reduce distortion
    from mapping a flat world onto a sphere.
    - Turn items on and off by checking the box in the Left Panel.
    - Some areas (Dragon Pass) have multiple maps that you show one at a time
    by selecting from a sub-folder.
    - You can control the transparency of an image by clicking on it in the
    Left Panel and using the transparency slider at the bottom of the Panel.
    - If the maps are not stacked in the order you prefer, you can change
    this: Open a map for editing, click on the "Location" tab. Change the "Draw
    Order". Higher draw order is drawn on top of lower draw ordered images.
    - If you add maps from your own files that are not online, you should NOT
    share the file, since you are breaching copyright.
    - If you find a map in this collection that should not be online, contact
    the hosting party. When they take the map offline it will no longer display
    here (or anywhere).
    - Feel free to use placemarks and other tools in Google Earth to add your
    own usability to the map set.

If this interests you, please download Google Earth from
http://earth.google.com and then get the file I created from the
WorldofGlorantha yahoo group files.

--Todd Gardiner
   (Who obvious works with Google Earth for a living.)


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