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Re: Hi again, about Soviets this time

--- In WWW2alternaterules@yahoogroups.com, "antti2004" <antti2004@...>
wrote:
>
> Not big thing this time. My eyes catched the profile of KV-85 (KV-1S
> modified to use 85mm gun), and I wonder, is there a typo or
> misunderstood in there? Profile says it is armed only with 85mm main
> gun and LMG, which is, based on other references, wrong.
>
> The KV-85 wielded 3x DT-light machine guns. One co-axial, one on a
> rear of the turret and one in the hull.
>
> So is it typo or something else? If its not, should it be fixed and
> points vvalue too?
>
> Nothing more, forgive me my typos, merry christmas hopes Antti from
> cold and snowy finland.
>

No problem.
Sorry to say that your source is incorrect, the KV-85 had only one (or
two) usable MGs, the standard co-axial turret mount and sometimes the
rear MG (available as an upgrade option, as is the case for many
Soviet tanks).
Details can be found here, along with photos.
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?Itemid=50&id=49&lang=en&option=com_content&t\
ask=view

"The incorrect opinion has appeared in Western literature that there
was a "second version" of the KV-85 with a flexible front (hull)
machine gun. This confusion most likely arose as a result of study by
Western experts of the only KV-85 tank that has been preserved to this
day (monument in Avtovo, St.Peterburg), where a mistake was made in
the restoration process."
The KV-85 on display at the Kubinka Tank Museum supports this.

The KV-85 was a KV-1S with the 85 mm D-5T gun in an IS-1's turret, with the ball
mounted hull machine gun removed and the hole welded shut, 148 of these tanks
were produced in the second half of 1943 until the spring of 1944 as a stopgap
until the IS tank series entered production.

Other sources agree:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KV-1
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/4635/tanks/kv85/kv85.htm
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/russia/eekv.htm
http://ww2photo.mimerswell.com/model/SU/heavy/kv-85/EE%20KV-85%20front.jpg
Hope that helps.





Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:53 pm

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Not big thing this time. My eyes catched the profile of KV-85 (KV-1S modified to use 85mm gun), and I wonder, is there a typo or misunderstood in there?...
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... No problem. Sorry to say that your source is incorrect, the KV-85 had only one (or two) usable MGs, the standard co-axial turret mount and sometimes the ...
Keith Leary
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Dec 25, 2008
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... Everything I've seen says coax and turret-rear MGs. From http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?Itemid=50&id=49&lang=en&option=com_content&task=view ... The...
Bob George
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Dec 26, 2008
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Jeez, Keith's message just showed up here. Looks like we google similarly. ... - Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Bob George
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Dec 26, 2008
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Ah, Okay, then it seems I am having false information here. The reason might be we never captured or destroyed any Klimi `85 in Continuation War, and all intel...
antti2004
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Dec 26, 2008
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No problem Ana, and have a great New Year! You can find the KV-85's second turret MG available as an upgrade (as with many of the Soviet tanks) for a few extra...
Keith Leary
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