Hi Roy,

I certainly do appreciate that information. Thank you very much
indeed. :)

Mike

--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, prasanta roy
<royprasanta2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> prasanta roy <royprasanta2000@...> wrote:          yea! visit chess
assistant website and download demo version of Rybka 2.3 or so and
see the results.i also have rybka 2.1 UCI running in my computer with
CA 9 interface.prasanta Roy
>
> Michael <beschravi@...> wrote:         Hi there :)
>
>   Are there any websites that are running Rybka for the public to
test it's analytical prowess. I would definitely appreciate any
info. :)
>
>   Mike
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yea! visit chess assistant website and download demo version of Rybka 2.3 or so and see the results.i also have rybka 2.1 UCI running in my computer with CA 9 interface.prasanta Roy

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--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "F. Kling" <felixkling@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Ask your questions in the forum (www.rybkaforum.net), please. The
yahoo
> group isn't used anymore.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:16 +0200, royprasanta2000
> <royprasanta2000@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have no idea how to use rybka or shredder of Chess assistant9 to
> > analyse or annotate chess games I saved in the internet.If you or
any
> > one can show me the way in detail I shall be grateful.Prasanta Roy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "bogdan_calmac"
> > <bogdan_calmac@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm trying to use Rybka (2.1 32-bit, single CPU) to analyze my
> >> (mediocre) games through the two GUIs that I own, Fritz 8 and
> >> Shredder 10 UCI.
> >>
> >> I tried the following analysis modes:
> >>  - Full analysis (Fritz 8)
> >>  - Blunder check (Fritz 8)
> >>  - Deep position analysis (Fritz 8)
> >>  - Analyze game (Shredder 10)
> >>
> >> The general problem is that Rybka does not take into acount the
> > time
> >> limits specified, but just keep analyzing indefinitely at some
> > point.
> >> For instance, when using "Blunder Check" with time=60sec and
> >> threshold=66, Rybka rightfully sees that 15.Nb3 is a gross
blunder
> >> but then hangs on analyzing 14...Nf4. I left it overnight and I
> > found
> >> it in the same place at the ridiculous depth of 22:-)
> >>
> >> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d3 Nf6 4. Be2 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5
> >> 6. c4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nf4 8. O-O Qf6 9. Bxb4 Nxb4 10. Qa4+ Bd7
> >> 11. Qxb4 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Bc6 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14. Rae1 Nf4 15. Nb3
Bxf3
> >> 16. gxf3 Nxd3 17. Nc5 Qxf3+ 18. Kg1 Nxb4 19. Re3 Qc6  0-1
> >>
> >> I tried again with time=5sec and the same thing happened. On the
> >> other hand, other engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 10 UCI) have no
> > problem
> >> with this game and analyse each move for the specified time plus
at
> >> most 50%. That's acceptable, you must probably finish analyzing
the
> >> current ply, but Rybka goes many plies deeper after the time is
up.
> >>
> >> So now the question: Is Rybka compatible with the various
analysis
> >> modes of third party GUIs (which rely on UCI)? Or is is usable
just
> >> for interactive analysis mode (turn on infinite analysis and keep
> >> staring at the best line)?
> >>
> >> I also want to mention that I use a Thinkpad T60 (Intel Centrino
> > Duo
> >> 2GHz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM). For the above test I tried hash sizes of
64,
> >> 128 and 512 with the same result. Also, the engine was left with
> > the
> >> default configuration.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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--- "F. Kling" <felixkling@...> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Ask your questions in the forum
> (www.rybkaforum.net), please. The yahoo
> group isn't used anymore.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Felix
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:16 +0200, royprasanta2000
>
> <royprasanta2000@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have no idea how to use rybka or shredder of
> Chess assistant9 to
> > analyse or annotate chess games I saved in the
> internet.If you or any
> > one can show me the way in detail I shall be
> grateful.Prasanta Roy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com,
> "bogdan_calmac"
> > <bogdan_calmac@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm trying to use Rybka (2.1 32-bit, single CPU)
> to analyze my
> >> (mediocre) games through the two GUIs that I own,
> Fritz 8 and
> >> Shredder 10 UCI.
> >>
> >> I tried the following analysis modes:
> >>  - Full analysis (Fritz 8)
> >>  - Blunder check (Fritz 8)
> >>  - Deep position analysis (Fritz 8)
> >>  - Analyze game (Shredder 10)
> >>
> >> The general problem is that Rybka does not take
> into acount the
> > time
> >> limits specified, but just keep analyzing
> indefinitely at some
> > point.
> >> For instance, when using "Blunder Check" with
> time=60sec and
> >> threshold=66, Rybka rightfully sees that 15.Nb3
> is a gross blunder
> >> but then hangs on analyzing 14...Nf4. I left it
> overnight and I
> > found
> >> it in the same place at the ridiculous depth of
> 22:-)
> >>
> >> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d3 Nf6 4. Be2 d5 5. exd5
> Nxd5
> >> 6. c4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nf4 8. O-O Qf6 9. Bxb4 Nxb4 10.
> Qa4+ Bd7
> >> 11. Qxb4 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Bc6 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14.
> Rae1 Nf4 15. Nb3 Bxf3
> >> 16. gxf3 Nxd3 17. Nc5 Qxf3+ 18. Kg1 Nxb4 19. Re3
> Qc6  0-1
> >>
> >> I tried again with time=5sec and the same thing
> happened. On the
> >> other hand, other engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 10
> UCI) have no
> > problem
> >> with this game and analyse each move for the
> specified time plus at
> >> most 50%. That's acceptable, you must probably
> finish analyzing the
> >> current ply, but Rybka goes many plies deeper
> after the time is up.
> >>
> >> So now the question: Is Rybka compatible with the
> various analysis
> >> modes of third party GUIs (which rely on UCI)? Or
> is is usable just
> >> for interactive analysis mode (turn on infinite
> analysis and keep
> >> staring at the best line)?
> >>
> >> I also want to mention that I use a Thinkpad T60
> (Intel Centrino
> > Duo
> >> 2GHz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM). For the above test I tried
> hash sizes of 64,
> >> 128 and 512 with the same result. Also, the
> engine was left with
> > the
> >> default configuration.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>




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Regards,

Felix

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:16 +0200, royprasanta2000
<royprasanta2000@...> wrote:

>
> I have no idea how to use rybka or shredder of Chess assistant9 to
> analyse or annotate chess games I saved in the internet.If you or any
> one can show me the way in detail I shall be grateful.Prasanta Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "bogdan_calmac"
> <bogdan_calmac@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to use Rybka (2.1 32-bit, single CPU) to analyze my
>> (mediocre) games through the two GUIs that I own, Fritz 8 and
>> Shredder 10 UCI.
>>
>> I tried the following analysis modes:
>>  - Full analysis (Fritz 8)
>>  - Blunder check (Fritz 8)
>>  - Deep position analysis (Fritz 8)
>>  - Analyze game (Shredder 10)
>>
>> The general problem is that Rybka does not take into acount the
> time
>> limits specified, but just keep analyzing indefinitely at some
> point.
>> For instance, when using "Blunder Check" with time=60sec and
>> threshold=66, Rybka rightfully sees that 15.Nb3 is a gross blunder
>> but then hangs on analyzing 14...Nf4. I left it overnight and I
> found
>> it in the same place at the ridiculous depth of 22:-)
>>
>> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d3 Nf6 4. Be2 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5
>> 6. c4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nf4 8. O-O Qf6 9. Bxb4 Nxb4 10. Qa4+ Bd7
>> 11. Qxb4 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Bc6 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14. Rae1 Nf4 15. Nb3 Bxf3
>> 16. gxf3 Nxd3 17. Nc5 Qxf3+ 18. Kg1 Nxb4 19. Re3 Qc6  0-1
>>
>> I tried again with time=5sec and the same thing happened. On the
>> other hand, other engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 10 UCI) have no
> problem
>> with this game and analyse each move for the specified time plus at
>> most 50%. That's acceptable, you must probably finish analyzing the
>> current ply, but Rybka goes many plies deeper after the time is up.
>>
>> So now the question: Is Rybka compatible with the various analysis
>> modes of third party GUIs (which rely on UCI)? Or is is usable just
>> for interactive analysis mode (turn on infinite analysis and keep
>> staring at the best line)?
>>
>> I also want to mention that I use a Thinkpad T60 (Intel Centrino
> Duo
>> 2GHz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM). For the above test I tried hash sizes of 64,
>> 128 and 512 with the same result. Also, the engine was left with
> the
>> default configuration.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi!

Ask your questions in the forum (www.rybkaforum.net), please. The yahoo
group isn't used anymore.


Regards,

Felix

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:16 +0200, royprasanta2000
<royprasanta2000@...> wrote:

>
> I have no idea how to use rybka or shredder of Chess assistant9 to
> analyse or annotate chess games I saved in the internet.If you or any
> one can show me the way in detail I shall be grateful.Prasanta Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "bogdan_calmac"
> <bogdan_calmac@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to use Rybka (2.1 32-bit, single CPU) to analyze my
>> (mediocre) games through the two GUIs that I own, Fritz 8 and
>> Shredder 10 UCI.
>>
>> I tried the following analysis modes:
>>  - Full analysis (Fritz 8)
>>  - Blunder check (Fritz 8)
>>  - Deep position analysis (Fritz 8)
>>  - Analyze game (Shredder 10)
>>
>> The general problem is that Rybka does not take into acount the
> time
>> limits specified, but just keep analyzing indefinitely at some
> point.
>> For instance, when using "Blunder Check" with time=60sec and
>> threshold=66, Rybka rightfully sees that 15.Nb3 is a gross blunder
>> but then hangs on analyzing 14...Nf4. I left it overnight and I
> found
>> it in the same place at the ridiculous depth of 22:-)
>>
>> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d3 Nf6 4. Be2 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5
>> 6. c4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nf4 8. O-O Qf6 9. Bxb4 Nxb4 10. Qa4+ Bd7
>> 11. Qxb4 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Bc6 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14. Rae1 Nf4 15. Nb3 Bxf3
>> 16. gxf3 Nxd3 17. Nc5 Qxf3+ 18. Kg1 Nxb4 19. Re3 Qc6  0-1
>>
>> I tried again with time=5sec and the same thing happened. On the
>> other hand, other engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 10 UCI) have no
> problem
>> with this game and analyse each move for the specified time plus at
>> most 50%. That's acceptable, you must probably finish analyzing the
>> current ply, but Rybka goes many plies deeper after the time is up.
>>
>> So now the question: Is Rybka compatible with the various analysis
>> modes of third party GUIs (which rely on UCI)? Or is is usable just
>> for interactive analysis mode (turn on infinite analysis and keep
>> staring at the best line)?
>>
>> I also want to mention that I use a Thinkpad T60 (Intel Centrino
> Duo
>> 2GHz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM). For the above test I tried hash sizes of 64,
>> 128 and 512 with the same result. Also, the engine was left with
> the
>> default configuration.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi!

Ask your questions in the forum (www.rybkaforum.net), please. The yahoo
group isn't used anymore.


Regards,

Felix

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:16 +0200, royprasanta2000
<royprasanta2000@...> wrote:

>
> I have no idea how to use rybka or shredder of Chess assistant9 to
> analyse or annotate chess games I saved in the internet.If you or any
> one can show me the way in detail I shall be grateful.Prasanta Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "bogdan_calmac"
> <bogdan_calmac@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to use Rybka (2.1 32-bit, single CPU) to analyze my
>> (mediocre) games through the two GUIs that I own, Fritz 8 and
>> Shredder 10 UCI.
>>
>> I tried the following analysis modes:
>>  - Full analysis (Fritz 8)
>>  - Blunder check (Fritz 8)
>>  - Deep position analysis (Fritz 8)
>>  - Analyze game (Shredder 10)
>>
>> The general problem is that Rybka does not take into acount the
> time
>> limits specified, but just keep analyzing indefinitely at some
> point.
>> For instance, when using "Blunder Check" with time=60sec and
>> threshold=66, Rybka rightfully sees that 15.Nb3 is a gross blunder
>> but then hangs on analyzing 14...Nf4. I left it overnight and I
> found
>> it in the same place at the ridiculous depth of 22:-)
>>
>> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d3 Nf6 4. Be2 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5
>> 6. c4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nf4 8. O-O Qf6 9. Bxb4 Nxb4 10. Qa4+ Bd7
>> 11. Qxb4 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Bc6 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14. Rae1 Nf4 15. Nb3 Bxf3
>> 16. gxf3 Nxd3 17. Nc5 Qxf3+ 18. Kg1 Nxb4 19. Re3 Qc6  0-1
>>
>> I tried again with time=5sec and the same thing happened. On the
>> other hand, other engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 10 UCI) have no
> problem
>> with this game and analyse each move for the specified time plus at
>> most 50%. That's acceptable, you must probably finish analyzing the
>> current ply, but Rybka goes many plies deeper after the time is up.
>>
>> So now the question: Is Rybka compatible with the various analysis
>> modes of third party GUIs (which rely on UCI)? Or is is usable just
>> for interactive analysis mode (turn on infinite analysis and keep
>> staring at the best line)?
>>
>> I also want to mention that I use a Thinkpad T60 (Intel Centrino
> Duo
>> 2GHz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM). For the above test I tried hash sizes of 64,
>> 128 and 512 with the same result. Also, the engine was left with
> the
>> default configuration.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I have no idea how to use rybka or shredder of Chess assistant9 to
analyse or annotate chess games I saved in the internet.If you or any
one can show me the way in detail I shall be grateful.Prasanta Roy






--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "bogdan_calmac"
<bogdan_calmac@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to use Rybka (2.1 32-bit, single CPU) to analyze my
> (mediocre) games through the two GUIs that I own, Fritz 8 and
> Shredder 10 UCI.
>
> I tried the following analysis modes:
>  - Full analysis (Fritz 8)
>  - Blunder check (Fritz 8)
>  - Deep position analysis (Fritz 8)
>  - Analyze game (Shredder 10)
>
> The general problem is that Rybka does not take into acount the
time
> limits specified, but just keep analyzing indefinitely at some
point.
> For instance, when using "Blunder Check" with time=60sec and
> threshold=66, Rybka rightfully sees that 15.Nb3 is a gross blunder
> but then hangs on analyzing 14...Nf4. I left it overnight and I
found
> it in the same place at the ridiculous depth of 22:-)
>
> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d3 Nf6 4. Be2 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5
> 6. c4 Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Nf4 8. O-O Qf6 9. Bxb4 Nxb4 10. Qa4+ Bd7
> 11. Qxb4 Nxe2+ 12. Kh1 Bc6 13. Nbd2 O-O-O 14. Rae1 Nf4 15. Nb3 Bxf3
> 16. gxf3 Nxd3 17. Nc5 Qxf3+ 18. Kg1 Nxb4 19. Re3 Qc6  0-1
>
> I tried again with time=5sec and the same thing happened. On the
> other hand, other engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 10 UCI) have no
problem
> with this game and analyse each move for the specified time plus at
> most 50%. That's acceptable, you must probably finish analyzing the
> current ply, but Rybka goes many plies deeper after the time is up.
>
> So now the question: Is Rybka compatible with the various analysis
> modes of third party GUIs (which rely on UCI)? Or is is usable just
> for interactive analysis mode (turn on infinite analysis and keep
> staring at the best line)?
>
> I also want to mention that I use a Thinkpad T60 (Intel Centrino
Duo
> 2GHz CPU, 1.5 GB RAM). For the above test I tried hash sizes of 64,
> 128 and 512 with the same result. Also, the engine was left with
the
> default configuration.
>
> Thank you.
>

Hi!

Please use the RybkaForum ( www.Rybkaforum.net ) instead of the
newsgroup!

Hi!

Please use the RybkaForum ( www.Rybkaforum.com ) instead of the
newsgroup!

Fritz 10 is (much) weaker than Rybka, one test:

http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_120_ratinglist/ratinglist/
rangliste.html

Fritz 10 is ~150 Elo points weaker than Rybka.
Rybka scored in this test + 26 = 17 - 7 against Fritz 10.

My two cents...  Having experience selling chess software and having the
opportunity to have every program imaginable in my stable for the past 10
years and seeing what the incremental improvements from year to year have
done for Fritz/ChessBase, and now seeing the VAST improvements made from 2.1
to 2.2 for Rybka, my money is most certainly on Rybka, hands down.  What Vas
has done is a true innovation, and since I don't think the Fritz team
started over and completely rebuilt the engine, I simply cannot see a huge
incremental improvement coming out of 10.

Wayne L. writes:

> I dunno, too early I think
> Wayne
>
> --- MayanKing <MayanKing@...> wrote:
>
>> Which is the stronger program? Has anyone been able
>> to determine?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- MayanKing <MayanKing@...> wrote:

> Which is the stronger program? Has anyone been able
> to determine?
>
>
>




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--- Michael <beschravi@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi there :)
>
> Are there any websites that are running Rybka for
> the public to test it's analytical prowess. I would
> definitely appreciate any info. :)
>
> Mike
>
>
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--- Michael <beschravi@...> wrote:

> Hi there :)
>
>   Are there any websites that are running Rybka for
> the public to test it's analytical prowess. I would
> definitely appreciate any info. :)
>
>   Mike
>
>
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> Rybka doesn't "think" in pawns, she thinks in winning percentages. This
> internal value is then mapped to a centipawn value at output time,
> since this is what the user interfaces require.
>
> The lost position after 1. e4 c6 2. Bb5 just maps to a value of -1.55.
>
> Vas

What is the "winning percentage" associated with 1.55? And for other
values?

--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "bentissimo"
<Stephan.Schmahl@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> thanks to all who replied, but let me say: I am not convinced. I tried
> the following "idiot variation":
>
> 1.e4 c6 2.Bb5
>
> Junior 9 and Fruit 2.1 evaluate this position as -2.58, but Rybka 2.1
> only as -1.55.
>
> May be I am too weak (ELO 2168), but where is a 1.03 compensation
> compared to both other engines?

---------
This has probably been answered from the Rybka side, but as for me, I
am   wondering how White has half a pawn of compensation according to
Junior and Fruit!

Why does it stay at 0%? The other engines percentage goes up.

Does Rybka not need/ use Hash?

I've noticed a few things, as a 2150 USCF player:

1) Rubka does not mind having its 'c' pawn doubled with d2xc3 or its
'f' pawn doubled with e2xf3. In fact, in one game it welcomed it by
playing Nf3 when black had a knight on e5.

Where Black has all his center pawns, this can cause a loss of the
center when they advance.

2) In a Sicilian where white has a knight on d4 and black a knight on
c6, Rybka as white will usually commit the basic beginner's strategic
error of playing Nxc6. This is bad for several reasons.

First, when black recaptures with bxc6, now has a central pawn
majority and can control the center. Rybka is probably thinking that
it will press on a backward pawn on d6, but that isn't usually what
happens.

Second, black can play Rb8 and have pressure on the 'b' file and
againstop, the b2 pawn. And if there's a fianchettoed black bishop it
is even worse for white.

--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "IM.FST. Jovan Petronic"
<professionalchesstrainer@...> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I shared a few thoughts in my review at
http://www.jovanpetronic.com/chessreviews/convekta005.htm on the Rybka
2.1 UCI on CD.
>
> Jovan Petronic.
>
  One thing it does not say is that it is not MP version, the Rybka
that is one of the best UCI engines in the world is not a singel
prosseser engine. I had to pay $73.00 more dollars for the real one. I
also found the book to be out dated for engine vs engine play on
Playchess.com.

  Kevin Frayer:

CHESMAYNE Chess Dictionary:-

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Believe it or not - it comes down to this…
Best `MEMORY' wins versus best `INTELLECT' wins.
It's YOUR choice?

2nd Accordians 1:1 a note from the editor:  Are you fed-up playing
traditional chess like a robot with brain-dead geeks?  These days the
competition has got so hot that if you haven't got your GM title by
your early teens - forget it.  Some of these kids start playing at 2,
3 and 4 years of age leaving late starters [6 to 11 years of age] at
a considerable disadvantage.  The best trained memories have an
unseen advantage [best memory wins].  It's like playing with a
handicap that is not visibly apparent at the start of a game - isn't
it?  The player who can memorize and recall Level-1 board positions
has a decided advantage even before a single move is made on the
board!  Even Judge Judy would raise an eyebrow!  Subtle but not very
obvious - and you are left wondering why you find yourself constantly
losing to Level-1 players - don't you?  `Random Chess' has tried to
address and solve this anomaly by changing the Initial Starting
Position [ISP] of the KI, QU, ROs, BSs and KTs.  Some have found this
helpful.  With the ISP randomized it is not possible to memorize
openings, gambits and defenses.  You have to think on your feet.  By
the way, 960 ISPs are possible using an orthodox chess set.  Please
see the section on blockers which gives examples of how to change the
board itself - new and quite exciting!  An orthodox chess set is used
but the squares on the board of various types are blocked-off during
play in order to alter the parameters of the ISP.

2nd Accordians 1:2 once you cop-on and get to figure this one out you
realize that you are actually being defrauded/cheated - a silent con
job that is never spoken or even mentioned by arbiters and the rule
makers [even they might not be aware of this problem and if they are
will usually keep silent].  The game is actually skewed!  Wake up!
Prove this fact to yourself: ask your opponent to play a game of
chess using Level-2 or 3 of traditional western chess [see examples
below] and you will find that you now have an even playing field once
again - a proper sporting chance of winning [best intellect wins].
You will find that their Level-1 rating does not transfer to Level-2
and 3!  Why?  Because their memory of Level-1 board positions is not
as useful or useless at other levels of play.  Do you see?  Of course
you do!  I just hope that this doesn't cause a riot in the chess
world - more than likely I think that a civil war is the only endgame
solution here [`memory' versus `intellect'], just choose your side in
this battle!  The last time a collapse of a chess system occurred [a
rare event indeed], was with Shatranj but this took a few hundred
years to play itself out and ended around the 1500s in Europe - and
took many more decades before it solidified into its present fixed
form - now identified as traditional western chess or `orthodox'
chess that is played on an 8 x 8 chequered board.  You will notice
that today 99.9% of people don't play or even remember the name of
the former game that was played from the 7th to the 15th centuries.
By the way, the other 0.1% are aficionados who do remember!  The
battle has faded into history and is now forgotten and buried or, so
it seems!  However, the skeletons are once again beginning to rattle -
  their graves are being reopened and the bodies are being exhumed.
One of the few things that we have in common with our ancient
ancestors is chess.  From the dawn of civilization most cultures have
played chess in one form or another.  The mummies of the Pharaoh's of
Egypt who played Senet around the pyramids some 3,200 years ago have
joined those who played Chatrang and Chaturanga in this never-ending
battle - the chess equivalent of "The Night Of The Living Dead"…….

2nd Accordians 1:3 what you need to realize is that your intelligence
is actually as good, if not better than your opponents - you just
aren't aware of this - and those in the know won't inform you - why
should they?   It's not in their interests to do so - is it?  Do you
find the wood-shifting boring, stale and repetitive?  You know there
is something wrong - at an intuitive level - something not quite
right - don't you?  You just can't put your finger on it exactly.  A
lot of people just give up playing chess because of the boredom
factor and the belief [false] that they won't make the grade or, are
somehow intellectually inferior than others.  Look - let's get real -
stop kidding yourself - stop burying your head in the sand - you know
in your heart-of-hearts that playing just one particular level of
chess is over - its time to get a divorce - it's time to move on.

2nd Accordians 1:4 the general view in the chess world is "why rock
the boat - we're happy - we're winning - we have the best trained
memories [on average it takes 10 years to become a GM] - so, as long
as they don't find out about this we'll keep winning and keep our
titles and prestige.  We have no intention of changing the game in
any way whatsoever - it's been around for fifty decades in its
present `fixed' format and it is our mission to keep it that way -
locked and `fixed' for at least another fifty.  We really have no
interest in educating young people or, come to think of it - anybody
else for that matter.  After all we don't want to lose our central
control, grip and power over the game - why should we - we own it in
its present format!  The bottom line is that if the ISP is changed we
lose our jobs [unemployment] and control of the wood-pushers who play
our accepted version of the game.  By having `central control' we
make and tinker with the rules, change them as we see fit, present
awards, medals and badges, act as a censor and receive a nice salary
for keeping it that way - can you blame us - if you were in a similar
position you might do the same.  You now see the reason why we can't
and won't change - to do so would end in our demise - we would go the
same route as Shatranj did in the past - forgotten - never again
played - a footnote in the history books.  From our point of view no
alteration in the ISP will be allowed or possible - now or at any
point in the future.  No further progress in `orthodox' chess is
the `rule' [we just don't tell you about this secret hidden agenda -
and never mention it publicly - a taboo area].  Defectors are
marginalized.  So, future generations will play our `accepted
version' from cradle to grave.  Our angle is that GMs will come and
go but we will remain the power behind the throne.  We rub talcum
powder into our hands so that they feel like velvet and when we greet
people are treated like royalty.  We always wear a shirt-n-tie and
look business-like and never let the mask slip".

2nd Accordians 1:5 the above scenario applies not just to Level-1,
but to other levels of play as well - east or west.  If other levels
of play [ISPs] were common then all the books currently published
would become obsolete overnight!  When a well known chess player was
asked what he thought about changing the ISP of traditional western
chess he said his "view could not be expressed in parliamentary
language" - and that just about sums up the current view on this
subject.  In an ideal world  a true GM would be able to play a few
different levels of chess ie, Western, Chinese, Shogi 7 x 7, 9 x 9
etc - and be able to win consistently to retain the GM title - a
global chess player - a `real' world champion.  Having two QUs on the
board at the same time will not be viewed as promoting bigamy - using
a new triangular chess set will not be seen as ignoring tradition -
multiple levels of play will be the norm - babies from 18 months to 4
years old will take to it like ducks to water - 5 to 11 year old kids
will automatically become more creative in their chess playing and
everyone might just be that little bit happier!  A local chess club
will create their own level of play - if you can beat them on their
own board you really [really] will be seen as a winner.  Looking back
you will then be able to say what the wolf dressed in sheep's
clothing said to `Little Red Riding Hood' - "I feel absolutely awful
about granny".

2nd Accordians 1:6 traditional chess viewed as a sailing vessel is
now beginning to show her age.  She's starting to creak at the seams
and her motto of being unsinkable is now seriously coming into
question.  Traditional chess has been hauled out many times and
patched-up as best as could be over the last couple of centuries.  As
was the case with the Titanic she is now heading for the final voyage
with a full compliment of passengers - and YOU may be one of them.
The SOS signal has been sent and other ships are standing nearby to
evacuate all on board.  Life rafts are plentiful and available for
all who choose so that nobody will be lost with the vessel.  The new
generation of passengers has the option of abandoning ship before the
fated end.  Some have already jumped ship and are now safe in the
comfort zone.  As she heads silently on her steady course in the
black of night a looming unseen apocalyptic disaster lies in wait…….

2nd Accordians 1:7 the fact of the matter with chess is that the game
belongs to nobody and everybody at the same time.  The patent and
copyright is in the public domain and belongs to every nation, tribe
and creed.  And so the cycle goes on - a slow downward spiral to its
eventual doom - a particular historical scenario not just known to
the game of chess but in other areas of life as well.  Its symptoms
are well documented: people who won't let go of power even when they
know the writing is on the wall - [or, at least on your computer
screen] they being the major beneficiaries in one form or another.
It is commonly known as a sinecure, monopoly or a vested interest in
a particular obsolete system which is handed down to the next
generation - the `next generation' being their friends, group, party,
elect, close family members or successors to a particular throne.

2nd Accordians 1:8 everything keeps turning into something else.
This is the trick of the universe in order to renew itself, and stay
the same.  This is a recurring theme in symbolism, not only in the
form of magical transformations, but also in all the different
symbols which contrast the ephemeral with the enduring.  Change to us
is `fear'.  Various pressures are directed against anyone who tries
to push against familiar limits.  Because they are pushing, new
boundaries open.  Butterfly: symbol of change/transformation - it
follows the wind yet arrives at the flower - its flight is
spontaneous and free and does not wear itself out fighting the forces
of nature.  Edmund Burke: "A state without the means of some change
is without the means of its conservation".  "Change is the law of
life and those who only look to the past or present are certain to
miss the future" - J.F. Kennedy.  "Growth may mean change and change
can be painful".  "Many have become GM's - no one has become the
master of Chess".  Cauldron: Symbol of change, renewal, initiation,
transformations - full of boiling and bubbling substances.  "The
quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others.  Show
that your love can make a difference in the lives of people and
thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life.  By
each of us doing that and working together we change the world one
inner person at a time."  Dannion Brinkley - NDE experiencer.

2nd Accordians 1:9 after 500 years traditional chess is gone by its
sell-by date and is just about played-out now.  Why not try, test and
discover the power of Chesmayne for yourself?   Easily identify any
chess piece on any chess board at a glance - no more Chinese and
Japanese hieroglyphics to deal with.  A plainly readable English
format makes the process simple and easy for you.  A whole new world
is now within reach!  Stop playing just western chess exclusively and
wean yourself away from a single level of play [best memory wins]
that we all know is gone over the hill and found dead in the water.
Now multiple levels of play are easily available [best intellect
wins] and no major surgical operation or ice-pick lobotomy is
required!  We have re-engineered the complete game for you with two
completely new notations and syntax to describe the moves on the
board as they are being played.  All the gang and the most commonly
used chess pieces - KI QU RO BS KT PA GU CN KN AD MR GE KM VC - are
now triangles with an identifying monogram and number [the common
denominator] and useable on any board - east and west!  Just print,
play, experiment and enjoy.  With a little experience you can design
and create your very own chess board and pieces on a few sheets of A4
paper that will cost you a few pennies!  Your feedback is
appreciated - thanks.  The samples in this text are just given as
examples to get you started.  You may also find the Zillions
gaming `system' [a must-have software program] useful for testing any
new chess game that you will create in actual play.

2nd Accordians 1:10 when you are standing at the base of a volcano
and the ground is shakin' you know what's gonna happen - something is
about to blow - get on the train before it leaves the station.  If
the molten lava doesn't get you the avalanche of melting snow, ice, a
forest of trees that break like matchsticks and boulders the size of
cars  will cause a mudslide with the consistency of wet cement moving
in your direction at around two-hundred miles per hour.  If it hits,
you will be buried alive - proper interment will not be possible as
you will be 100 feet under setting cement - your body preserved for
thousands of years in a sea of mud.  And if that isn't enough the
brakes on the locomotive have failed - now you are also a passenger
on a roller coaster as well!  It's time to take serious action -
jumping off is not an option - your only hope is if the train can
outrun the wave of mud moving downhill in your direction at an
accelerating pace…….

Choice-01:-

Stick to tradition: continue playing western chess and nothing else -
stay as you are - just go back to sleep? Train your memory and win
more. Generally the advantage goes to the player who has played the
game the longest number of years. Rating drops if you don't continue
practicing. FIDE titles very important - rating is critical. Winning
is everything. Competitive - winners peak like comets and then
disappear into obscurity and are forgotten. There's always somebody
higher up the ladder than yourself.  Chess viewed as a way to gain
prestige, titles, acclaim, renown, fame, the hand of the fairest
damsel/knight and money from defeating opponents. You are only as
good as your last win - losers become obsolete, their names are
difficult to remember and fade from the chess scene. GM title the
ultimate accolade - mentions in textbooks and encyclopedias. Lots of
photographs taken - much hand-shaking and meetings with important
people for reasons unknown to both parties - just because.  You may
add your comment in the Chesmayne forum if you like?  Now is your
chance to speak or forever hold your silence.

Choice-02:-

Progress, evolve, play global chess: experiment with differing levels
of chess ie, Levels-1, 2 and 3 and try Chinese, Japanese, Burmese,
Thai, Cambodian etc. Better intellect will usually win. You will
become a more mature player. Less parochial view of chess. FIDE or
other titles unimportant - rating not viewed as critical. Chess
viewed as an `organon', an educational tool - even spiritual. Become
clever, creative and artistic: make your own game with your own set
of rules and award yourself a title ie, Knight Magnifico!
Appreciation of past masters ie, Weubens etc.  Less competitive - a
lot less!  Mastery of the game within reach - GM title awarded by
default - a natural process - in time!  The beginning or ending is
not critical - the journey is more important - the quest - the goal.
History & origin of chess not an issue any more - complete
understanding of the people, arbiters and organizations who play the
game and the inner workings of chess become known to you -
penetrating insight!  Jump in IQ, EQ and SQ the norm.  You may
comment in the Chesmayne forum if you like?  Now is your chance to
speak or forever hold your silence.

"Finally, I think the Chess industry doesn't want us to know about
other games. If, for example, Shogi becomes extremely popular in the
US, I think most of the people playing it will be people who were
already interested in chess. Which means the people who make chess
sets, publish chess books, and play professionally will be losing
out. It's already tough enough to make a living in chess as it is.
When people talk of changing the rules so that knowing book openings
isn't useful anymore, this is a threat to the livelihood of people
who are successful in chess because they've devoted years of their
lives to learning these same book openings [memorization - best
memory wins]. And I don't think it's a good assumption that world
class chess players will necessarily be world class Shogi players
(altho I would guess some of them would be).  The analogy that comes
to mind is Michael Jordan: he is the world's greatest basketball
player but he couldn't make it in minor league baseball".

--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "john do"
<maniacbehindwheel@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "JP Singh" <jps7@> wrote:
> >
> > HI Vas,
> >
> > In my computer (PIV 2.26 GHz, 640 MB RAM), Rybka 2.0c mp 32bit is
> > playing stronger in Arena interface with Rybka.abk opening book
than
> > it plays in Shredder Classic 2 with shredder10 opening book. It
> > playing in Arena interface has defeated Rybka in Shhreder
interface
> > several times in one hour time controls. Is there any specific
> reason
> > for it.
> >
> > My other question is if I purchase a 1 GB RAM and increase my RAM
to
> > 1.5 GB from present 640 MB, will that be more effective or I
shall
> go
> > for an Intel Dual core with same RAM for 1 hour games. Again, is
AMD
> > dual core processor better than Intel dual core as far as Rybka
> > performance is concerned.
> >
> > JP
> >
> Hi , I dont speak 4 Vas but i have a question 4 u : Did u turn
> permanent brain on? If u did that may be y arena is winning because
> when pemanent brain is on ; 1 engine or interface will hog all the
> processor. Another thing , the books have a lot to do with the
> outcome. Same or simmilar books when running tests is a more
precise
> benchmark. On my system ( x86 intel 4  2.80 GHz  2 GB ram ) , arena
> with Rybka ABK  doesnt stand a chance to ShredderClassic2 and the
> Shredder10 book.
>

inecesito que me colaboren con un programa como arena o shereder
o pude ser ribka por favor es que quiero aumentar mi nivel

--- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "john do"
<maniacbehindwheel@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Rybka_chess_group@yahoogroups.com, "JP Singh" <jps7@> wrote:
> >
> > HI Vas,
> >
> > In my computer (PIV 2.26 GHz, 640 MB RAM), Rybka 2.0c mp 32bit is
> > playing stronger in Arena interface with Rybka.abk opening book
than
> > it plays in Shredder Classic 2 with shredder10 opening book. It
> > playing in Arena interface has defeated Rybka in Shhreder
interface
> > several times in one hour time controls. Is there any specific
> reason
> > for it.
> >
> > My other question is if I purchase a 1 GB RAM and increase my RAM
to
> > 1.5 GB from present 640 MB, will that be more effective or I
shall
> go
> > for an Intel Dual core with same RAM for 1 hour games. Again, is
AMD
> > dual core processor better than Intel dual core as far as Rybka
> > performance is concerned.
> >
> > JP
> >
> Hi , I dont speak 4 Vas but i have a question 4 u : Did u turn
> permanent brain on? If u did that may be y arena is winning because
> when pemanent brain is on ; 1 engine or interface will hog all the
> processor. Another thing , the books have a lot to do with the
> outcome. Same or simmilar books when running tests is a more
precise
> benchmark. On my system ( x86 intel 4  2.80 GHz  2 GB ram ) , arena
> with Rybka ABK  doesnt stand a chance to ShredderClassic2 and the
> Shredder10 book.
>