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Re: Prussian Needlegun

--- In Piquet@yahoogroups.com, "johnleahy55" <johnleahy55@...> wrote:
>
> Isn't that really the issue with most points systems rather than
> using Historical Orders of Battle or Organizations to run games?
>


Not everyone wants to play only historical battles. As for
organisations, do you really want to turn up for a game with your
Napoleonic Spanish division when your opponent is running a French
Imperial Guard division?

> getting the points RIGHT seems to always be an ongoing concern. I
mean
> how many points are your Austrian infantry worth IF the move to
occupy
> a sunken road or some woods or a series of walls?

Your Austrian infantry is still Austrian infantry, D8/D4 or whatever,
regardless of whether you've gotten them into a good position using
your skill or luck. Fact is they won't be as good as a D12/D8 unit in
that position.

I have never really
> been a fan of points for historical based systems. The rules (if
they
> work right) should tend to have outcomes that reflect history while
> still providing players some opportunity to change it.
>

That is, or should be, an aim of any rules system, but using points
or not, it all depends on the armies being relatively evenly matched,
taking into account the battlefield situation. Without points, it is
a subjective judgment. The only thing stopping an unscrupulous player
from fielding a better army than his opponent is the risk that
evewntually no one will play him.
regards
Bryan






Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:13 pm

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Hi All We've just played our first Austro-Prussian War game with FoB and wanted to check on the situation regarding the Prussian Needlegun. The only advantage...
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Jan 10, 2009
12:23 am

Sounds rtight to me. UK Mark ... The ... appear...
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Jan 10, 2009
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You also have to consider ratings and formations. Prussian officers and infantry will probably be better, Austrian line infantry might be limited to attack...
bo9493
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Jan 11, 2009
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Hi All I didn't mean my original question to sound as a criticism, just to confirm that we were playing the game correctly and hadn't missed anything. Indeed...
Richard Jones
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Jan 11, 2009
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No problem - I hadn't taken your post as criticism; hopefully my response didn't come across that way. I'm actually finishing my 1859/1866 Austrians (I know, I...
bo9493
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Jan 11, 2009
4:52 pm

... the balance of superior numbers combined with poor leadership verses better quality troops with superior leadership provided an excellent game, rather than...
Bryan Unwin
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Jan 12, 2009
1:51 am

Isn't that really the issue with most points systems rather than using Historical Orders of Battle or Organizations to run games? getting the points RIGHT...
johnleahy55
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Jan 12, 2009
2:14 am

... Not everyone wants to play only historical battles. As for organisations, do you really want to turn up for a game with your Napoleonic Spanish division...
Bryan Unwin
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Jan 12, 2009
8:13 pm

... Reading back over my last post, it looks like I was ranting against non- points based games. That's not really my position, as I've had plenty of enjoyable...
Bryan Unwin
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Jan 12, 2009
9:00 pm

Heh, heh... we've got you, Richard! You realize you won';t be able to look at notmal ga,es the same. "You mean it's my turn and they just do whatever I want...
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I'm not sure how much this has to do with Prussian Needleguns :-) but I'd like to just clarify some comments I made that Bryan has followed up on. I'm often...
Richard Jones
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Jan 13, 2009
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Mr. Jones you are far more eloquent than I was in expressing why I dislike points in historical games. Thanks, John ... I'd like to just clarify some comments...
johnleahy55
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Jan 14, 2009
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... but I'd like to just clarify some comments I made that Bryan has followed up on. ... I'd like to clarify too. I play games both with and without points. ...
Bryan Unwin
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Jan 15, 2009
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I think it may be your turn to be confused Bryan :-) as I simply have not said anywhere (on this forum or any other) that you cannot have a good game with...
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... You're right, my memory was faulty, this is the statement I disagreed with: "the balance of superior numbers combined with poor leadership verses better...
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