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From: Jon Reinertsen

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Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:30 AM

Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG

 

Or, if you prefer "http://www.napoleon-series.org/greenhill/library/c_weller_india.html"

On 20/11/2009, at 8:21 PM, Marshal wrote:

Wellington in India: A Wargamers Guide

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----- Original Message -----

From: Marshal

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:21 PM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG

 

Wellington in India: A Wargamers Guide

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Wellington in India: A Wargamers Guide by Charles Stewart Grant and Stuart Asquith. Copyright Charles Grant and Stuart Asquith 1995 and published by CSG Publications.

72 page A4 ring-bound book with campaign and battle maps and line drawings of uniforms of the period. The book is divided into the following sections:

• Campaign Outlines of the Mysore and Maratha Wars
• Company and Crown Forces which includes the following:

1. Crown Forces
2. Native Armies
3. The Madras Army
4. The Bombay Army
5. The Bengal Army
6. The Nizam’s Army

• The Armies of the Mahrattas and Mysore
• The Battles
• The Tactics of the Period
• Wargames Scenarios
• Wargame Rules

The book concludes with a glossary and bibliography.

New and unused but with some minor marks to the white cover.

Cheers….Mark

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Hi Peter

I thought that the John Company rules/figures were for the Indian
Mutiny/Flashman period or am I mistaken ( as usual)??

Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com, Pete Ware <poiter50@...> wrote:
>
> OK, I have a box of John Company stuff (or opponents) that I started when
> Cardie was running JC at NWS, I will see what I can round up. I have some
> Museum Turk/Persian HC as well.
>
> 2009/11/20 mikerwalsh <mrwalsh@...>
>
> >
> >
> > well that is what I have looked at so I
> > ordered some Sepoys and Madras/Bengal Native Infantry and some Matchlockmen
> > As well I have some unfinished Nap Brits with stovepipe shakos that I was
> > going to make into DutchBelgian Militia but I have a stack of Brunswickers
> > that I can use in that role so I will paint these guys and base with a
> > similar scheme
> > also my Turk/Med Persian type cavalry will do for most of the Indian
> > cavalry types I think.
> >
> > Cheers Mike
> >
> >
> > --- In
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Pete Ware <poiter50@> wrote:
> > >
> > > d. All of the above!? If the cap fits?
> > >
> > > 2009/11/20 Reinertsen, Jon <Jon.Reinertsen@>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well to start with I have to work out who I want to be don't I! A
> > corrupt
> > > > Mogul lord, a Gin soaked company man, (I could probably manage that) or
> > a
> > > > disgraced broken down Frenchman.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>on behalf of Pete Ware
> > > > Sent: Fri 20-Nov-09 10:57
> > > > To:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > > >
> > > > Why not?
> > > >
> > > > 2009/11/20 Reinertsen, Jon <Jon.Reinertsen@<Jon.Reinertsen%
> > 40health.wa.gov.au>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this mean I have to start building yet another army?
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > *From:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > > > >
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>]
> >
> > > > *On Behalf Of *The Walshes
> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, 20 November 2009 10:14
> > > > > *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009
> > results
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that the relatively small size of battles is interesting
> > > > > compared to the mega battles that we concentrate on in the European
> > > > theatre,
> > > > > also there are a few other troop types involved'
> > > > >
> > > > > I have also ordered the Snappy Nappy rules, they seem quite
> > interesting
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > *From:* Pete Ware <poiter50@ <poiter50%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009
> > results
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John
> > Company
> > > > > figures might need a revisit!
> > > > >
> > > > > 2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@<mrwalsh%40westnet.com.au>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi Dave,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire"
> > > > route
> > > > >> before
> > > > >>
> > > > >> also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other
> > players
> > > > >> perceptions
> > > > >> in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is
> > used
> > > > >> world wide,
> > > > >> with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be
> > > > offered
> > > > >> the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out
> > as
> > > > >> being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that
> > > > encounter!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics
> > > > >> BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for
> > that
> > > > >> period and have started on my Spanish army,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers Mike
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >  > > >> *From:* David Elson <david.elson@<david.elson%
> > 40thompsonhughes.com.au>
> > > > >
> > > > >> *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM
> > > > >> *Subject:* RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009
> > results
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived
> > flaws
> > > > >> away?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dave
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >> *From:*
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> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > > > >>
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>]
> >
> > > > *On Behalf Of *mikerwalsh
> > > > >> *Sent:* Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
> > > > >> *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > >> *Subject:* [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> hi Peter
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea
> > that
> > > > CvS
> > > > >> and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical
> > commands
> > > > >> with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light
> > troops
> > > > >> plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
> > > > >> I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant
> > > > central
> > > > >> hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping
> > > > command
> > > > >> whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I
> > did
> > > > lose
> > > > >> the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has
> > > > >> described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make
> > > > headway
> > > > >> whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good
> > for
> > > > his
> > > > >> mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the
> > > > >> Elephants 22/3 me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I
> > may
> > > > not
> > > > >> be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv
> > and
> > > > had
> > > > >> KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of
> > the
> > > > >> arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some
> > crappy
> > > > PIP
> > > > >> dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards
> > army
> > > > the
> > > > >> next turn. 20/5 to me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for
> > > > >> Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win
> > me
> > > > the
> > > > >> comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank
> > with
> > > > AxS
> > > > >> and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb
> > and
> > > > PkF
> > > > >> to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv
> > killed
> > > > Wb,
> > > > >> at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews
> > army
> > > > was
> > > > >> almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2
> > Ps(I)
> > > > >> killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great
> > > > >> sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead
> > > > Ps(I)
> > > > >> 22/3 me
> > > > >>
> > > > >> all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed,
> > maybe a
> > > > >> new iteration will improve the game play.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers Mike
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > >
> > > > >> Peter Malone <malonepeter42@> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Well done anyway
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > >> > From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@>
> > > > >> > To:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > >> > Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@>; Robert
> > > > >> <robert.atkins8@>;
DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com<DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com>;
> > > > >> oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com
<oz_ancients%40yahoogroups.com><oz_ancients%
> > 40yahoogroups.com><oz_ancients%
> >
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > >> > Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> > > > >> > Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM
> > > > competition
> > > > >> this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army
> > lists
> > > > from
> > > > >> books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
> > > > >> > games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit
> > we
> > > > had
> > > > >> 6 draws from 16 games,
> > > > >> > results were
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > 1. Mike Walsh             Nikephorian
> > > > >> Byzantine      84  Â
> > > > >> > 2. Richard Cleary        Early Byzantine        Â
> > > > >> Â Â Â 67
> > > > >> > 3. Andrew Card           Picts           Â
> > > > >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53
> > > > >> > 4. Geoff Marshall         Parthian        Â
> > > > >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 50
> > > > >> > 5. Geoff Tindall             Early Asiatic
> > > > >> Succesor      48
> > > > >> > 6. Peter Ware            Central Asian Cities statesÂ
> > > > >> 37
> > > > >> > 7. Ray Hardes           Â
> > > > >> Leidang                            32
> > > > >> > 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots             Â
> > 28
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward
> > to
> > > > >> next year,
> > > > >> > yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > Cheers Mike
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > from Mike Walsh
> > > > >> > mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> > Â
> > > > >> >
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Pete
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Pete
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Pete
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Pete
>

Bicornes it is - and the sepoys had some really groovy uniforms, especially
unusual headress.
Svend.


   _____

From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Pete Ware
Sent: Fri 20/11/2009 3:28 PM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results




I think a Bicorne style hat was the go then, transitioning to a shako by the
time the Duke got involved, so the tricornes of AWI are a bit wrong.


2009/11/20 Reinertsen, Jon <Jon.Reinertsen@...>





I have some British from the AWI which I haven't painted up as yet, not sure
what they could double for, but probably for the early period they may be
useful.

   _____

From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Ware
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 15:00
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results


OK, I have a box of John Company stuff (or opponents) that I started when Cardie
was running JC at NWS, I will see what I can round up. I have some Museum
Turk/Persian HC as well.


2009/11/20 mikerwalsh <mrwalsh@...>




well that is what I have looked at so I
ordered some Sepoys and Madras/Bengal Native Infantry and some Matchlockmen
As well I have some unfinished Nap Brits with stovepipe shakos that I was going
to make into DutchBelgian Militia but I have a stack of Brunswickers that I can
use in that role so I will paint these guys and base with a similar scheme
also my Turk/Med Persian type cavalry will do for most of the Indian cavalry
types I think.

Cheers Mike













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well that is what I have looked at so I
ordered some Sepoys and Madras/Bengal Native Infantry and some Matchlockmen
As well I have some unfinished Nap Brits with stovepipe shakos that I was going
to make into DutchBelgian Militia but I have a stack of Brunswickers that I can
use in that role so I will paint these guys and base with a similar scheme
also my Turk/Med Persian type cavalry will do for most of the Indian cavalry
types I think.

Cheers Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com, Pete Ware <poiter50@...> wrote:
>
> d. All of the above!? If the cap fits?
>
> 2009/11/20 Reinertsen, Jon <Jon.Reinertsen@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Well to start with I have to work out who I want to be don't I! A corrupt
> > Mogul lord, a Gin soaked company man, (I could probably manage that) or a
> > disgraced broken down Frenchman.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>on
behalf of Pete Ware
> > Sent: Fri 20-Nov-09 10:57
> > To:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> >
> > Why not?
> >
> > 2009/11/20 Reinertsen, Jon
<Jon.Reinertsen@...<Jon.Reinertsen%40health.wa.gov.au>
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does this mean I have to start building yet another army?
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>[m\
ailto:
> > >
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > *On Behalf Of *The Walshes
> > > *Sent:* Friday, 20 November 2009 10:14
> > > *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > *Subject:* Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > >
> > > I think that the relatively small size of battles is interesting
> > > compared to the mega battles that we concentrate on in the European
> > theatre,
> > > also there are a few other troop types involved'
> > >
> > > I have also ordered the Snappy Nappy rules, they seem quite interesting
> > >
> > > Cheers Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Pete Ware <poiter50@... <poiter50%40gmail.com>>
> > > *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John Company
> > > figures might need a revisit!
> > >
> > > 2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@...<mrwalsh%40westnet.com.au>
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Dave,
> > >>
> > >> yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire"
> > route
> > >> before
> > >>
> > >> also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other players
> > >> perceptions
> > >> in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is used
> > >> world wide,
> > >> with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be
> > offered
> > >> the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out as
> > >> being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that
> > encounter!
> > >>
> > >> Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics
> > >> BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for that
> > >> period and have started on my Spanish army,
> > >>
> > >> Cheers Mike
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >  >> *From:* David Elson
<david.elson@...<david.elson%40thompsonhughes.com.au>
> > >
> > >> *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM
> > >> *Subject:* RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >>
> > >> Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws
> > >> away?
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *David Elson*
> > >> Accountant
> > >> *Thompson Hughes & Co*
> > >> Certified Practising Accountants
> > >> 4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172
> > >> PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169
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> > >> Fax: 08 9524 6066
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ailto:
> > >>
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > *On Behalf Of *mikerwalsh
> > >> *Sent:* Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
> > >> *To:*
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >> *Subject:* [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> hi Peter
> > >>
> > >> This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that
> > CvS
> > >> and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands
> > >> with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops
> > >> plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)
> > >>
> > >> first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
> > >> I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant
> > central
> > >> hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping
> > command
> > >> whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did
> > lose
> > >> the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me
> > >>
> > >> Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has
> > >> described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make
> > headway
> > >> whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for
> > his
> > >> mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the
> > >> Elephants 22/3 me
> > >>
> > >> Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may
> > not
> > >> be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and
> > had
> > >> KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the
> > >> arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy
> > PIP
> > >> dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army
> > the
> > >> next turn. 20/5 to me
> > >>
> > >> Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for
> > >> Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me
> > the
> > >> comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with
> > AxS
> > >> and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and
> > PkF
> > >> to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed
> > Wb,
> > >> at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army
> > was
> > >> almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I)
> > >> killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great
> > >> sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead
> > Ps(I)
> > >> 22/3 me
> > >>
> > >> all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a
> > >> new iteration will improve the game play.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers Mike
> > >>
> > >> --- In
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > >> Peter Malone <malonepeter42@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
> > >> >
> > >> > Well done anyway
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ________________________________
> > >> > From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@>
> > >> > To:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > >> > Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@>; Robert
> > >> <robert.atkins8@>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com<DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com>;
> > >> oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com <oz_ancients%40yahoogroups.com><oz_ancients%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > >> > Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> > >> > Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
> > >> >
> > >> > Â
> > >> > The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM
> > competition
> > >> this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists
> > from
> > >> books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
> > >> > games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
> > >> > Â
> > >> > we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we
> > had
> > >> 6 draws from 16 games,
> > >> > results were
> > >> > Â
> > >> > 1. Mike Walsh             Nikephorian
> > >> Byzantine      84  Â
> > >> > 2. Richard Cleary        Early Byzantine        Â
> > >> Â Â Â 67
> > >> > 3. Andrew Card           Picts           Â
> > >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53
> > >> > 4. Geoff Marshall         Parthian        Â
> > >> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 50
> > >> > 5. Geoff Tindall             Early Asiatic
> > >> Succesor      48
> > >> > 6. Peter Ware            Central Asian Cities statesÂ
> > >> 37
> > >> > 7. Ray Hardes           Â
> > >> Leidang                            32
> > >> > 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots              28
> > >> > Â
> > >> > Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to
> > >> next year,
> > >> > yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
> > >> > Â
> > >> > Cheers Mike
> > >> > Â
> > >> > from Mike Walsh
> > >> > mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
> > >> > Â
> > >> > Â
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > __________________________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Pete
>

O ordered a copy this morning.





-----Original Message-----
From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of The Walshes
Sent: Fri 20-Nov-09 11:28
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

probably not, the basing is not critical and is very similar to what I use
anyway
SN uses a two stand unit is a brigade formation, aims higher than what I am
really looking at but sounds like it works well

Mike

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Reinertsen, Jon
   To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:30 AM
   Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results




   Does this mean I have to start building yet another army?



------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Walshes
   Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 10:14
   To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results


   I think that the relatively small size of battles is interesting  compared to
the mega battles that we concentrate on in the European theatre, also there are
a few other troop types involved'

   I have also ordered the Snappy Nappy rules, they seem quite interesting

   Cheers Mike


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Pete Ware
     To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM
     Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results



     So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John Company
figures might need a revisit!



     2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>



       Hi Dave,

       yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire" route
before

       also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other players
perceptions
       in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is used
world wide,
       with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be offered
       the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out as
being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that encounter!

       Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics
       BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for that
period and have started on my Spanish army,

       Cheers Mike




         ----- Original Message -----
         From: David Elson
         To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
         Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM
         Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results




         Mike

         Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws
away?

         Regards

         Dave

         David Elson
         Accountant
         Thompson Hughes & Co
         Certified Practising Accountants
         4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172
         PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169
         Ph: 08 9524 6666
         Fax: 08 9524 6066

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         * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity
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------------------------------------------------------------------------
         From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerwalsh
         Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
         To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
         Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results



         hi Peter

         This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that
CvS and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands
with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops plus
another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)

         first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
         I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant
central hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping
command whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did
lose the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me

         Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has
described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway
whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his
mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the Elephants
22/3 me

         Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may
not be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had
KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the
arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP
dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the next
turn. 20/5 to me

         Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for
Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the comp,
he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS and Ps in
difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF to come
forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb, at one stage
I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was almost broken at
full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I) killed when scouting, this
was just enough to break the army, great sportsmanship by Andrew as I had
forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I) 22/3 me

         all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a
new iteration will improve the game play.

         Cheers Mike

         --- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com, Peter Malone
<malonepeter42@...> wrote:
         >
         > Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
         >
         > Well done anyway
         >
         >
         >
         >
         > ________________________________
         > From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
         > To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
         > Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert
<robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com; oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com
         > Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
         > Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
         >
         > Â
         > The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM
competition this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army
lists from books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
         > games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
         > Â
         > we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we
had 6 draws from 16 games,
         > results were
         > Â
         > 1. Mike Walsh               Nikephorian Byzantine   Â
   84  Â
         > 2. Richard Cleary           Early Byzantine          Â
    67
         > 3. Andrew Card              Picts              Â
                53
         > 4. Geoff Marshall            Parthian             Â
              50
         > 5. Geoff Tindall               Early Asiatic Succesor Â
     48
         > 6. Peter Ware                Central Asian Cities states 
37
         > 7. Ray Hardes                Leidang          Â
                  32
         > 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots                
28
         > Â
         > Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to
next year,
         > yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
         > Â
         > Cheers Mike
         > Â
         > from Mike Walsh
         > mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
         > Â
         > Â
         >
         >
         >
         > __________________________________________________________
         > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail.
         > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
         >











     --
     Cheers,
     Pete

Well to start with I have to work out who I want to be don't I!  A corrupt Mogul
lord, a Gin soaked company man, (I could probably manage that) or a disgraced
broken down Frenchman.






-----Original Message-----
From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Pete Ware
Sent: Fri 20-Nov-09 10:57
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

Why not?

2009/11/20 Reinertsen, Jon <Jon.Reinertsen@...>

>
>
> Does this mean I have to start building yet another army?
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *The Walshes
> *Sent:* Friday, 20 November 2009 10:14
> *To:* PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
>   I think that the relatively small size of battles is interesting
> compared to the mega battles that we concentrate on in the European theatre,
> also there are a few other troop types involved'
>
> I have also ordered the Snappy Nappy rules, they seem quite interesting
>
> Cheers Mike
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Pete Ware <poiter50@...>
> *To:* PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
>
>
> So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John Company
> figures might need a revisit!
>
> 2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire" route
>> before
>>
>> also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other players
>> perceptions
>> in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is used
>> world wide,
>> with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be offered
>> the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out as
>> being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that encounter!
>>
>> Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics
>> BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for that
>> period and have started on my Spanish army,
>>
>> Cheers Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* David Elson <david.elson@...>
>> *To:* PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws
>> away?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> *David Elson*
>> Accountant
>> *Thompson Hughes & Co*
>> Certified Practising Accountants
>> 4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172
>> PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169
>> Ph: 08 9524 6666
>> Fax: 08 9524 6066
>>
>> * Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Legislation.
>>
>>
>> * The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to
>> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged
>> material.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
>> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or
>> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  If you received
>> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any
>> computer
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
>> PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *mikerwalsh
>> *Sent:* Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
>> *To:* PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>>
>>
>>
>> hi Peter
>>
>> This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that CvS
>> and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands
>> with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops
>> plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)
>>
>> first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
>> I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant central
>> hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping command
>> whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did lose
>> the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me
>>
>> Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has
>> described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway
>> whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his
>> mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the
>> Elephants 22/3 me
>>
>> Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may not
>> be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had
>> KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the
>> arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP
>> dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the
>> next turn. 20/5 to me
>>
>> Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for
>> Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the
>> comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS
>> and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF
>> to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb,
>> at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was
>> almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I)
>> killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great
>> sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I)
>> 22/3 me
>>
>> all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a
>> new iteration will improve the game play.
>>
>> Cheers Mike
>>
>> --- In
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> Peter Malone <malonepeter42@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
>> >
>> > Well done anyway
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
>> > To:
PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com<PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert
>> <robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com<DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com>;
>> oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com <oz_ancients%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
>> > Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>> >
>> > Â
>> > The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM competition
>> this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists from
>> books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
>> > games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
>> > Â
>> > we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we had
>> 6 draws from 16 games,
>> > results were
>> > Â
>> > 1. Mike Walsh               Nikephorian
>> Byzantine       84  Â
>> > 2. Richard Cleary           Early Byzantine          Â
>> Â Â Â  67
>> > 3. Andrew Card              Picts              Â
>> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  53
>> > 4. Geoff Marshall            Parthian          Â
>> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  50
>> > 5. Geoff Tindall               Early Asiatic
>> Succesor       48
>> > 6. Peter Ware                Central Asian Cities statesÂ
>> 37
>> > 7. Ray Hardes              Â
>> Leidang                             32
>> > 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots                 28
>> > Â
>> > Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to
>> next year,
>> > yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
>> > Â
>> > Cheers Mike
>> > Â
>> > from Mike Walsh
>> > mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
>> > Â
>> > Â
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________________
>> > Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail.
>> > Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Pete
>
>
>



--
Cheers,
Pete

----- Original Message -----

From: Reinertsen, Jon

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:30 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

Does this mean I have to start building yet another army? 

---

From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Walshes
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 10:14
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

I think that the relatively small size of battles is interesting  compared to the mega battles that we concentrate on in the European theatre, also there are a few other troop types involved'

 

I have also ordered the Snappy Nappy rules, they seem quite interesting

 

Cheers Mike

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Ware

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John Company figures might need a revisit!

2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@westnet.com.au>

 

Hi Dave,

 

yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire" route before

 

also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other players perceptions

in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is used world wide,

with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be offered

the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out as being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that encounter!

 

Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics

BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for that period and have started on my Spanish army,

 

Cheers Mike

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Elson

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

Mike

 

Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws away?

 

Regards

 

Dave

 

David Elson
Accountant
Thompson Hughes & Co  
Certified Practising Accountants
4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172        
PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169          
Ph: 08 9524 6666          
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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerwalsh
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

hi Peter

This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that CvS and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)

first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant central hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping command whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did lose the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me

Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the Elephants 22/3 me

Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may not be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the next turn. 20/5 to me

Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb, at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I) killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I) 22/3 me

all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a new iteration will improve the game play.

Cheers Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com, Peter Malone <malonepeter42@...> wrote:
>
> Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
>
> Well done anyway
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
> To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert <robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com; oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
>  
> The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM competition this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists from books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
> games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
>  
> we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we had 6 draws from 16 games,
> results were
>  
> 1. Mike Walsh               Nikephorian Byzantine       84   
> 2. Richard Cleary           Early Byzantine                67
> 3. Andrew Card              Picts                                53
> 4. Geoff Marshall            Parthian                            50
> 5. Geoff Tindall               Early Asiatic Succesor       48
> 6. Peter Ware                Central Asian Cities states  37
> 7. Ray Hardes                Leidang                             32
> 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots                 28
>  
> Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to next year,
> yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
>  
> Cheers Mike
>  
> from Mike Walsh
> mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
>  
>  
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
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----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Ware

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John Company figures might need a revisit!

2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@westnet.com.au>

 

Hi Dave,

 

yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire" route before

 

also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other players perceptions

in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is used world wide,

with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be offered

the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out as being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that encounter!

 

Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics

BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for that period and have started on my Spanish army,

 

Cheers Mike

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Elson

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

Mike

 

Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws away?

 

Regards

 

Dave

 

David Elson
Accountant
Thompson Hughes & Co  
Certified Practising Accountants
4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172        
PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169          
Ph: 08 9524 6666          
Fax: 08 9524 6066
 
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* The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer

 

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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerwalsh
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

hi Peter

This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that CvS and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)

first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant central hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping command whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did lose the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me

Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the Elephants 22/3 me

Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may not be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the next turn. 20/5 to me

Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb, at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I) killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I) 22/3 me

all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a new iteration will improve the game play.

Cheers Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com, Peter Malone <malonepeter42@...> wrote:
>
> Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
>
> Well done anyway
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
> To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert <robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com; oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
>  
> The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM competition this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists from books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
> games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
>  
> we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we had 6 draws from 16 games,
> results were
>  
> 1. Mike Walsh               Nikephorian Byzantine       84   
> 2. Richard Cleary           Early Byzantine                67
> 3. Andrew Card              Picts                                53
> 4. Geoff Marshall            Parthian                            50
> 5. Geoff Tindall               Early Asiatic Succesor       48
> 6. Peter Ware                Central Asian Cities states  37
> 7. Ray Hardes                Leidang                             32
> 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots                 28
>  
> Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to next year,
> yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
>  
> Cheers Mike
>  
> from Mike Walsh
> mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
>  
>  
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail.
> Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
>

--
Cheers,
Pete

----- Original Message -----

From: Beicher, Svend

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:10 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Indian wars/Assaye etc

 

I've a good volume on Wellington in India,

I'll look up the author tonight.

You're welcome to borrow - it's a ripping yarn,

 

Svend.

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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Walshes
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 8:47
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Indian wars/Assaye etc

 

Hi guys

 

has anyone any source of good info on the wars in Indian about the turn of the 18/19th Century?

ie napoleonic times

 

Cheers Mike

 

 

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From: Reinertsen, Jon

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:07 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

Dave,
Don't worry PB is on to it!!!

So far the changes proposed are a bit of a mixed bag. My Goths lose the regular baggage pip dump, my Tuetonic Kn (S) turn into DBE, but will ride over anything in their way. As will all 'S' type troops with a +2 when they score more in CC.

I've been experimenting with the help of Gil and Marcus with a different set called Impetus which has been going well. We are nearly ready to try the full rules.
Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of David Elson
Sent: Fri 20-Nov-09 8:41
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

Mike

Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws away?

Regards

Dave


David Elson
Accountant
Thompson Hughes & Co
Certified Practising Accountants
4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172
PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169
Ph: 08 9524 6666
Fax: 08 9524 6066

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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerwalsh
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

hi Peter

This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that CvS and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)

first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant central hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping command whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did lose the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me

Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the Elephants 22/3 me

Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may not be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the next turn. 20/5 to me

Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb, at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I) killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I) 22/3 me

all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a new iteration will improve the game play.

Cheers Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com> , Peter Malone <malonepeter42@...> wrote:
>
> Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
>
> Well done anyway
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
> To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert <robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com> ; oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oz_ancients%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
> Â
> The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM competition this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists from books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
> games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
> Â
> we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we had 6 draws from 16 games,
> results were
> Â
> 1. Mike Walsh             Nikephorian Byzantine      84  Â
> 2. Richard Cleary        Early Byzantine            67
> 3. Andrew Card           Picts                        53
> 4. Geoff Marshall         Parthian                     50
> 5. Geoff Tindall             Early Asiatic Succesor      48
> 6. Peter Ware            Central Asian Cities states 37
> 7. Ray Hardes            Leidang                            32
> 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots              28
> Â
> Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to next year,
> yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
> Â
> Cheers Mike
> Â
> from Mike Walsh
> mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
> Â
> Â
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----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Ware

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Indian wars/Assaye etc

 

Sharpe is roughly based on the historical facts and the John Company rules may give you some background. Want me to dig them out?

2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@westnet.com.au>

 

Hi guys

 

has anyone any source of good info on the wars in Indian about the turn of the 18/19th Century?

ie napoleonic times

 

Cheers Mike

 

--
Cheers,
Pete

----- Original Message -----

From: David Elson

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:42 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Indian wars/Assaye etc

 

What sort of info are u after - history, uniforms, organisation ???

 

David Elson
Accountant
Thompson Hughes & Co  
Certified Practising Accountants
4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172        
PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169          
Ph: 08 9524 6666          
Fax: 08 9524 6066
 
* Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Legislation.
                                                                                           
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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of The Walshes
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 9:00 AM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Indian wars/Assaye etc

 

Hi guys

 

has anyone any source of good info on the wars in Indian about the turn of the 18/19th Century?

ie napoleonic times

 

Cheers Mike

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Ware

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

So you are venturing to India for your Naps rules? Hmm, my John Company figures might need a revisit!

2009/11/20 The Walshes <mrwalsh@westnet.com.au>

 

Hi Dave,

 

yes I could but as you remember the old NWS went down that "Empire" route before

 

also the flaws are my perceived flaws which differ from other players perceptions

in the end it is better IMO to have a commonly agreed set that is used world wide,

with the world championships being held in NZ in 2011 DBMM may be offered

the problem is that of the armies used on the weekend two stood out as being very cost effective combinations, the trick was to win that encounter!

 

Anyway I am more interested in developing/playing Napoleonics

BTW I have just ordered a large number of subcontinent figures for that period and have started on my Spanish army,

 

Cheers Mike

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: David Elson

To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:41 AM

Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

Mike

 

Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws away?

 

Regards

 

Dave

 

David Elson
Accountant
Thompson Hughes & Co  
Certified Practising Accountants
4 Paxton Way Port Kennedy WA 6172        
PO Box 8118 Warnbro WA 6169          
Ph: 08 9524 6666          
Fax: 08 9524 6066
 
* Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Legislation.
                                                                                           
* The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.  Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer

 

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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerwalsh
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

 

hi Peter

This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that CvS and Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands with 6 CvS and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops plus another small command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)

first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant central hill, i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping command whilst screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did lose the CvS (blue) command 20/5 me

Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has described this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway whilst the BwX were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his mounted whilst the 5 PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the Elephants 22/3 me

Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may not be able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had KnF, I offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the arriving delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP dice, I lost the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the next turn. 20/5 to me

Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for Andrew and I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the comp, he was forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS and Ps in difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF to come forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb, at one stage I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was almost broken at full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I) killed when scouting, this was just enough to break the army, great sportsmanship by Andrew as I had forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I) 22/3 me

all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a new iteration will improve the game play.

Cheers Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com, Peter Malone <malonepeter42@...> wrote:
>
> Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
>
> Well done anyway
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
> To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert <robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com; oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
>  
> The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM competition this weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists from books 1-3 prior to 1100AD
> games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
>  
> we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we had 6 draws from 16 games,
> results were
>  
> 1. Mike Walsh               Nikephorian Byzantine       84   
> 2. Richard Cleary           Early Byzantine                67
> 3. Andrew Card              Picts                                53
> 4. Geoff Marshall            Parthian                            50
> 5. Geoff Tindall               Early Asiatic Succesor       48
> 6. Peter Ware                Central Asian Cities states  37
> 7. Ray Hardes                Leidang                             32
> 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots                 28
>  
> Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to next year,
> yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
>  
> Cheers Mike
>  
> from Mike Walsh
> mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
>  
>  
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail.
> Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
>

--
Cheers,
Pete

David Elson
Accountant
Thompson Hughes & Co  
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David Elson
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Dave,
Don't worry PB is on to it!!!

So far the changes proposed are a bit of a mixed bag.  My Goths lose the regular
baggage pip dump, my Tuetonic Kn (S) turn into DBE, but will ride over anything
in their way.  As will all 'S' type troops with a +2 when they score more in CC.

I've been experimenting with the help of Gil and Marcus with a different set
called Impetus which has been going well.  We are nearly ready to try the full
rules.
Jon






-----Original Message-----
From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of David Elson
Sent: Fri 20-Nov-09 8:41
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results

Mike

Can't you come up with some in-house rules that take the perceived flaws away?

Regards

Dave


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From: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerwalsh
Sent: Friday, 20 November 2009 12:00 AM
To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] Re: PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results




hi Peter

This year for PB I ran Nikephorian Byzantines, I had a vague idea that CvS and
Reg Baggage was a good idea. My army had 2 almost identical commands with 6 CvS
and one LH plus a foot command with BwX and some Light troops plus another small
command of general plus a wedge KnX/I and 2 LH(S)

first game Peter Ware and his CACS regular CvS general version
I defended, Peter deployed first, then moved to gain the dominant central hill,
i won by concentrating 3 commands against his lowest pipping command whilst
screening his flank with the light Infantry and the BwX, I did lose the CvS
(blue) command 20/5 me

Second Game Geoff Tindall and Asiatic Early Successors, Geoff has described
this, CvS are too good vs Pike, Geoff was unable to make headway whilst the BwX
were too good for the Kn(F), the CvS were too good for his mounted whilst the 5
PIP dice managed to get the Light Inf into the Elephants 22/3 me

Third game Richard Cleary, Early Byzantines, I was worried that I may not be
able to force a fight here with an enemy that outnumbered my Cv and had KnF, I
offered a weak flank and had a delayed command. The timing of the arriving
delayed command was just right and then Richard got some crappy PIP dice, I lost
the Blue command again but managed to break Richards army the next turn. 20/5 to
me

Fourth game Andrew Card, this was a difficult match up frontally for Andrew and
I was far enough ahead that even a losing draw would win me the comp, he was
forced to try to force the issue, I delayed on a flank with AxS and Ps in
difficut terrain whilst in the centre i waited for his Wb and PkF to come
forward, when they did the BwX shot up the Pk and the Cv killed Wb, at one stage
I had 4 CvS generals in close combat vs Wb, Andrews army was almost broken at
full time when he remembered that he had lost 2 Ps(I) killed when scouting, this
was just enough to break the army, great sportsmanship by Andrew as I had
forgotten the existance of the dead Ps(I) 22/3 me

all in all a great weekend gaming, I think thst DBMM is flawed, maybe a new
iteration will improve the game play.

Cheers Mike

--- In PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com> , Peter Malone
<malonepeter42@...> wrote:
>
> Mike can we have some game reports to give something to read
>
> Well done anyway
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: The Walshes <mrwalsh@...>
> To: PerthMiniaturesGamers@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:PerthMiniaturesGamers%40yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: Craig McGarty <crafio@...>; Rod Hoath <lrhoath@...>; Robert
<robert.atkins8@...>; DBMMlist@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DBMMlist%40yahoogroups.com> ; oz_ancients@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:oz_ancients%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:08:59 PM
> Subject: [PerthMiniaturesGamers] PMGG Pax Bellica 2009 results
>
> Â
> The Perth Miniature Gamers Group held our almost annual DBMM competition this
weekend over Sat/Sun, 4 games of DBMM to 400AP, fixed army lists from books 1-3
prior to 1100AD
> games ran for three hours plus a random 5-30 minutes
> Â
> we had eight competitors, all games were played in a good spirit we had 6
draws from 16 games,
> results were
> Â
> 1. Mike Walsh               Nikephorian Byzantine       84Â
 Â
> 2. Richard Cleary           Early Byzantine               
67
> 3. Andrew Card              Picts                   
            53
> 4. Geoff Marshall            Parthian                 Â
          50
> 5. Geoff Tindall               Early Asiatic Succesor      
48
> 6. Peter Ware                Central Asian Cities states  37
> 7. Ray Hardes                Leidang              Â
              32
> 8. Gerry O'Shaughnessy Prefeudal Scots                 28
> Â
> Thanks to all of the players for competing, we are looking forward to next
year,
> yes I did win and yes Cv(S) and Reg Bge are very good value for AP
> Â
> Cheers Mike
> Â
> from Mike Walsh
> mrwalsh@westnet. com.au
> Â
> Â
>
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